: Long story, i have a 04 CVPI



Crown Vic Owner
03-13-08, 06:48 PM
Got it for 3800 bucks with 89k on it. Clean car.


What happened was we got a totalled 98 SLS in the shop, we were going to part it until we realized all the damage was cosmetic, we threw a new bumper cover and grill on and we sold it for around 3500.


I had 3k, lookin for another vic, and i run across a 04 with 89k


This is my new personal car, along with my 95 with 110k. The rest are company cars / not mine.


http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/177/6328056782239670301im1mvn9.jpg

The SLS is completely my moms now as i am sick of that goddamn car, long story short, that ****in car caused me stiches.

NOT ON MY WATCH
03-13-08, 07:02 PM
Looks great - I have always loved those cars.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-13-08, 07:51 PM
This is my new personal car, along with my 95 with 110k.

Funny, I thought it had 300k on it.


You shoulda bought a Caddy. ;)

96Fleetwood
03-13-08, 08:11 PM
Yeah, you should have bought a LT1 car.

Isn't that around the mileage where the tranny will be saying by bye?

Black looks nice though, makes the plastic grill and mirrors look good. Does it have alloys or hubcaps? All the power options? Carpet or vinyl? It looks mean, would make a nice Marauder clone.

I thought your '95 had over 300K too.. there was a thread about it.. I will try to dig it up.

96Fleetwood
03-13-08, 08:34 PM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/131482-300k.html


Man, $3,800 is a great deal on a 2004 with that mileage. They are selling for $5-7K on eBay with that mileage. Let's sell it and make some $$$!

DILLIGAF
03-13-08, 08:48 PM
Your not one of those weirdoes who pretends to be a cop are you?Cruisen around,staren at perps,flashen a plastic badge.

RightTurn
03-13-08, 08:50 PM
Funny, I thought it had 300k on it.


:food-snacking:

Red_October_7000
03-13-08, 09:33 PM
Ah, sweet. They last forever. Just hope you didn't get the plastic back seat! Ah well, that's what the wrecking yard is for; pull some Grand Marquis seats and you've got comfort and power! Just a shame you didn't get the spot light. I bet traffic will still part like the Red Sea, though, when they see that black grille! Best of luck with it.

nickc50310
03-13-08, 09:43 PM
Ah, sweet. They last forever. Just hope you didn't get the plastic back seat! Ah well, that's what the wrecking yard is for; pull some Grand Marquis seats and you've got comfort and power! Just a shame you didn't get the spot light. I bet traffic will still part like the Red Sea, though, when they see that black grille! Best of luck with it.


Yeah man, that plastic seat is a bitch! I hate when youre beatin some cheeks and you get stuck to the plastic! UNCOOL!!! :suspect::crybaby:

gary88
03-13-08, 10:11 PM
Congrats, now people will always drive slow when you're on the road :thepan:

Crown Vic Owner
03-13-08, 10:57 PM
Gary, if you see a gunmetal grey CVPI on bluff road, dont worry. I am there to whoop yo ass.


As well, the 300k car is one of the cars at the shop

Crown Vic Owner
03-13-08, 11:29 PM
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Crown Vic Owner
03-13-08, 11:29 PM
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Crown Vic Owner
03-13-08, 11:30 PM
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I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-14-08, 01:39 AM
On a somewhat related note, I just bought a new car and your Crown Vic can't catch it.

http://i3.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/e0/e6/b12d_3.JPG

Turbo DSM FTW :cool2:

Crown Vic Owner
03-14-08, 01:52 AM
What happened to the MB


And also, depends, is that DSM boosted or what?

What mods


Lol, if i get this 2nd job, i will have longtubes, Roadmaster 4r70w Police Duty (They just dont break), UD pulleys, tune, 28lbhr injectors, cobra waterpump, marauder TC (although mine is pretty decent as is) or DirtyD0g TC, Comp he264 cams, Metal Matrix Driveshaft, Cyr02 Air cooling system, alternator WOT clutch (My car might already have that, not sure, EBC brakes (maybe not with the shotty customer service they have given the panther community and ripped people off), walbro 190lph.


God, this car is SO going to be a sleeper.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-14-08, 01:54 AM
DSM is boosted and is a secondary car. I got a 2nd job to keep them both running.

Crown Vic Owner
03-14-08, 02:24 AM
Oh god.

So, you have your local trans guy and mechanic on retainer and speed dial now, right?

Get a shop manual, they are hard to find nowdays in decent condition. Most of them the ink has worn off from excessive use.

eldorado99
03-14-08, 03:50 AM
DSM is boosted and is a secondary car. I got a 2nd job to keep them both running.

Sounds like you... are workin' for your car... Contemporize man! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Doh-in_In_the_Wind.gif

Eh ok that's not the right Simpsons hippie but you get the picture.

96Fleetwood
03-14-08, 09:08 AM
I like that Ttype Buick in the pic.

thebigjimsho
03-14-08, 10:25 AM
Why pictures of rusty bolts and master cylinders? Geez, I need to take a nap...

CadillacSTS42005
03-14-08, 10:52 AM
its still just a Ford...
and pray you dont get rear ended at 30+ mph

JimmyH
03-14-08, 10:54 AM
Nuttin like crappy pictures of crappy Fords on a Cadillac site to get one all revved up. Yaderhay...

Brett
03-14-08, 11:04 AM
Lol, if i get this 2nd job, i will have longtubes, Roadmaster 4r70w Police Duty (They just dont break), UD pulleys, tune, 28lbhr injectors, cobra waterpump, marauder TC (although mine is pretty decent as is) or DirtyD0g TC, Comp he264 cams, Metal Matrix Driveshaft, Cyr02 Air cooling system, alternator WOT clutch (My car might already have that, not sure, EBC brakes (maybe not with the shotty customer service they have given the panther community and ripped people off), walbro 190lph.

Hell even if you dont get the job, you could just tell everybody that you did all that stuff:thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-14-08, 11:53 AM
Six Bolt 4G63t for the win! :cool2:

96Fleetwood
03-14-08, 12:45 PM
After you get all that done, come to Byron and race against my Fleetwood!

The Fleetwood is in the shop right now getting some goodies :devil: Should be done by the middle of next week.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-14-08, 12:55 PM
Can I bring my Turbo Talon and/or my S320 down?

Crown Vic Owner
03-14-08, 03:25 PM
Lol, its rusty beacause of chicago winters and its a common rust point..


As well, go ahead, try to race me :)

thebigjimsho
03-14-08, 03:53 PM
Lol, its rusty beacause of chicago winters and its a common rust point..


As well, go ahead, try to race me :)Sounds scary. I'll have to work a 2nd job to beef up my V with a whole bunch of very specific aftermarket engine parts so as to look like I know what I'm talking about. Hold on, I need to look for my Lingenfelter catalogs...

nickc50310
03-14-08, 04:55 PM
Can I bring my Turbo Talon and/or my S320 down?


BRING THE TURBO TALON TO THE MEET!! RACING IS IN ORDER!

96Fleetwood
03-14-08, 06:16 PM
As well, go ahead, try to race me :)

I only race at the track because there is no BS. I will let you know the next time we head up to Byron!

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-14-08, 07:21 PM
One of my friends has a white '04 Impala that looks exactly like the cop version. He got 2 power-strips and painted one red and the other blue and set them on top of the rear shelf. You can be going down the highway and there will be a solid line of cars behind you taking up all three lanes because nobody want to risk passing you.

Night Wolf
03-15-08, 08:14 AM
Good deal on the Vic....

...but man am I glad to be out of NY.... that is a 2004 and the frame rails are covered in rust... I remember that too, regular cars in the North would wear out after 10yrs or so, by 15 they would pretty much had it, all from rust... like my Oldsmobile, great car and mechanically, it was solid, but at 135k I had to sell it as the rust/rot just became too much... in comparison my Town Car underneath looks like new, no rust anywhere on that thing. I'm glad I live in a place it dosen't snow.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-15-08, 10:56 AM
I'd be interested to see a 0-60 video of that CVPI.

Crown Vic Owner
03-15-08, 03:57 PM
Good deal on the Vic....

...but man am I glad to be out of NY.... that is a 2004 and the frame rails are covered in rust... I remember that too, regular cars in the North would wear out after 10yrs or so, by 15 they would pretty much had it, all from rust... like my Oldsmobile, great car and mechanically, it was solid, but at 135k I had to sell it as the rust/rot just became too much... in comparison my Town Car underneath looks like new, no rust anywhere on that thing. I'm glad I live in a place it dosen't snow.

Meh, i will wash the car underneath and hope to god it does not rust anymore

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-15-08, 04:13 PM
Ziebart that bitch.

Night Wolf
03-15-08, 06:24 PM
undercoating will not stop rust that is already on the car, and in fact it'll make it worse because it'll trap the rust in, so not only can you now not see the rust but any moisture will be trapped in there to keep rusting. It only works on brand new cars, or cars that flat out have no rust underneath to begin with, but even then... eh, I don't really care for it.

Are the dealers still pushing that out? Thought it pretty much stopped in the 80's.

Crown Vic Owner
03-15-08, 08:32 PM
Meh, the frame rails are not rusted, those are the shock mounts.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-15-08, 08:43 PM
This winter raped my car. I now have a hole big enough to put a softball through in my left-front wheel well. As of now I out a piece of saran wrap over it to keep water from getting on the battery (it works surprisingly well, no tape holding it on either). When it gets warmer out, I have to weld a piece of metal over it and paint it good.

Crown Vic Owner
03-15-08, 08:50 PM
meh, what should i do about the frame rails?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-15-08, 08:57 PM
They sell chemicals that will convert rust into a primered, ready to paint surface. I have seen them at Carquest and Napa. Then just go get a very heavy duty paint, maybe even something designed to coat truck beds with and give it several layers.

Crown Vic Owner
03-15-08, 09:09 PM
Meh, sorta hesitant to do that.

Maybe when i do the CA bushings.

Night Wolf
03-16-08, 07:15 AM
Meh, sorta hesitant to do that.

Maybe when i do the CA bushings.

meh, have fun with the LCA...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Lincoln/8-24-07/IMG_0295.jpg

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-16-08, 04:38 PM
Haha, you work on cars the same way I do. You take a part off and just leave it somewhere and hope you can find all the bolts when its time to go back together. I throw my tools all over the place too so I can never find what I need. Whats with the sawzall at the bottom of the picture??

Night Wolf
03-16-08, 05:28 PM
Haha, you work on cars the same way I do. You take a part off and just leave it somewhere and hope you can find all the bolts when its time to go back together. I throw my tools all over the place too so I can never find what I need. Whats with the sawzall at the bottom of the picture??

Yeah, normally it works pretty well, except thats what pretty much led to the mess of parts that was once my Isuzu 2.6.....see it started out as just going to be replacing a head gasket, I didn't think it'd take more then 2 or 3 weekends (only working on it on the weekends) so I did the same thing, well fast forward a month and a half, then forgetting what goes where, then buying a houe and needing to move so throwing everything in a box, moving everything over, and now not knowing where anything goes in what place or order... but because of the chipped piston, the entire engine needs to be rebuilt or replaced.....

Yeah, learned my lesson on that one :) I gave up on trying to even mess with whats left of my engine, my goal now is to find a good running engine in a truck, so it'll be as simple as possible, out of one, into the other... I've got a pretty good lead on one right now. Atleast them I don't have to return my old engine as a core, cause the head is perfect.

Yeah, that is a sawzall..... it was my attempt at DIY of the bushings, see they are pressed in, its really a PITA, I thought if I cut them in half I could hammer the parts out, well I hammered on it for about 2hrs and it didn't move. Finally found a shop after spending an entire day searching, that would actually replace the bushings for me, so I brought the control arm and my new TRW bushings... shop charged me 1/2hr labor ber arm, so $35each/$70 total, only took him like 10mins, but whatever, old bushings were out and new were in like new. Had I not already replaced the lower ball joints (as well as uppers, and all 4 tie rods, and idler arm, and sway bar links....) I would have just ordered two new control arms from Ford, as thats how they come with new bushings and ball joint... thats what they want you to do.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Lincoln/8-24-07/IMG_0289.jpg

bushings were just a little worn....

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new bushings in:

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BTW we were talking about cars and rust.... this is the control arm as it came off, before I cleaned it... 1996 and had around 100k on it at that time, this was last Augest. It's only dust.... rest of the underbody looks just like this...

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Back together and all purdy....

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The carport was nice while it lasted :(

Pretty much all thats left now is the brakes... front rotors are warped and the ABS pump ramdomly goes on. For the ABS, apparently the connectors on the front wheel speed sensors are prone to damage or something, thats all, I haven't really looked into it. Since the car is fully driveable as it is, I am really hesisant to do anything to it that would render it not driveable, so the brakes are waiting. The plan is for the "big brake upgrade" which is '98+ Town Car brakes on the '96, from 10" rotors to 12" rotors and single piston to dual piston calipers. All bolt on, and my 16" wheels will fit it. For not much more money I'll get much better stopping power and no more warped rotors :) At that time I'll also replace the rear pads as they are pretty well worn, but the rotors are fine, and also replace rear sway bar end links. Once thats done theres just a few cosmetic quirks here and there that I may or may not bother with then it should be good :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-16-08, 05:35 PM
Boy, these Panther platform cars have some problems with the front suspension. But I guess when nothing else ever breaks on them, it's not so bad.

Crown Vic Owner
03-16-08, 05:48 PM
Boy, these Panther platform cars have some problems with the front suspension. But I guess when nothing else ever breaks on them, it's not so bad.
its a damn car and CA bushings are common on any car.


The panther platform has SOME front end issues, but alot of these issues were fixed with the 03 revision. 04S tend to not have any issues really.

gary88
03-16-08, 05:59 PM
http://media.motortopia.com/files/1728/group/4596f455232e5/tn_xlarge_panther.jpg

Night Wolf
03-16-08, 06:03 PM
I really don't know why the ENTIRE frontend on my car was trashed by 100k, and it didn't appear to be beat on. I know the lower ball joints and sway bar end links are known for going... but I mean everything.

It started out as the car woudln't stay aligned, I'd keep taking it back they'd keep aligning it, it would clank over bumps, I'd fix one thing and the next thing would clank....

first to be replaced were both sway bar end links, the right was totally trashed, the left was worn, that was making the first clank. Noise was still there tho, so I decided to replace all 4 ball joints and 4 tie rod ends, just to rpelace them, all the tie rod end boots were cracked open, but the joint wasn't too bad. The upper right balljoint was totally dry (all were sealed) and totally shot, really nothing left of it, the lower left ball joint was loose, all boots were torn. Got car algined, still woudln't stay aligned, car would make a horrible squeeking sound anytime go over bump or turn the wheel... turned out ti was the LCA bushings, replaced those... car still wouldn't stay aligned, while looking underneath one day, the idler arm looked weird... there was nothing left of the bushing, so I replaced the entrie idler arm.... car seems to stay aligned now...

So only parts on the front end that are not replaced is the pitman arm which seems tight, the steering box, which seems to have a slight amount of play, but I can adjust that, and the upper control arm bushings which.... you guessed it... are worn, and when cold, they will squeek when the car goes over a bump. They are not under the constant force fo the LCA bushings though, and even tho they are a bit easier, they are still a PITA to get to, and need to be pressed out just like the lowers, I was thinking about just taking it to the shop that had the press to see what they charge.... but... goes back to before, no way am I doing anything more then needed to keep it running right now while its my only running car, so its fine for now.

I don't know why the front end was trashed at 100k, to be honest, nobody else on the Lincoln site has had everything go out like that either. Thru looking at car fax, my car sat in FL at used car lots for 2 full years, only getting like 150miles put on it durring that time, I think just from sitting and the heat caused everything to dry up... I dunno.

I'm still on the fence with the car, I know they are reliable, and for me it has been very reliable, but I have a hard time saying yeah nothing every breaks on them... becuase... well, just about all the major known problems to go out on these cars, I've had... granted I bought the car with all these issues (not knowing about nearly all them) but... still. Although once I fix it (right) it seems to go away... of the problems were the heater core (twice) and blend door actuator motor, all which required the entire dash to come out, 3 seperate times. All 4 power windows stopped, the nylon plugs get chewed up, I fixed them all 3 times, first I replaced the plugs which got chewed up a week later, then I put cupper tubing in I cut to size, that lasted for 2 window cycles, then I used the 1/4" nuts that have been fine since, no way those are breaking.

I don't even remember what else I did, it's all in the log book. I did just about all preventative maintenace you can think of, full tune up, changed all fluids, repalced all 4 O2 sensors cause I got a deal on OEM ones, replaced the 1-2 shift accumulator. Car already had the updated metal/plastic intake on it, and rear air springs look good.

I got the car with 93,8xx miles, it now has 108,500ish. I paid $3,500 for it, I put... I dunno maybe $1,200 into it? Which includes the $550 for a whole set of Goodyear Assurance ComforTreds. The parts are cheap, and it's not all that hard to work on, some things are just a PITA. So just say I put $1,500 into it in all, that would bring it right around $5,000, which for what was a premium luxury car 12 years ago still in nearly mint shape, and all common wear items replaced along with new tires... isn't all that bad of a deal.

If I am easy on the gas too (as I've been lately... testing some things) she'll get me a solid 20mpg driving to work and back and up to 27mpg on the highway.... all on regular gas. I like the car alot.

The car is fairly easy to work on, mostly due the the classic layout and well, classic chassis design. Parts are cheap, pretty much Crown Vic fare, with the exception of the air springs, which are now cheap to replace. It's a very durable chassis too. I think what happened to my car was, the previous owner just let problems stock pile, never fixed anything, until they finally had enough, it was a trade in at a Ford dealer, when somehow, 2yrs later made its way to the used car dealer I bought it from, so who knows what happened to it during that time. I don't blame the car though, it's pretty obvious these are reliable cars. I'm hoping to drive this thing well past 200k tho. I just like this car alot, the inside, the outside, the features... everything.

Night Wolf
03-16-08, 06:12 PM
its a damn car and CA bushings are common on any car.


The panther platform has SOME front end issues, but alot of these issues were fixed with the 03 revision. 04S tend to not have any issues really.

2004 is now only 4yrs old tho, I'm sure in 2000 alot of 1996 Panthers didn't have alot of problems.

The issue with the control arm bushings is their design, which is NOT like most cars....

if you look at my pictures, you'll see the bushing has an inner and an outter sleeve. The inner sleeve has the "teeth" on the side.

The rubber is vulcanized (bonded) to both the inner and outter sleeve. When correctly torqued (think tighter then darn tight.... around 150ft-lbs) the teeth in the center sleeve bite into the actual frame on the car, where the CA bolts to, so now the center sleeve is stationary along with the frame.... yet when the arm moves, the outter sleeve is pressed into the CA with however many thousands of pounds of force.... so what happens is the rubber actually sorta stretches and twists within the bushing, everytime the car goes over a bump.

Thats why there are 2 notes:

1) if/when you do replace the upper OR lower (both are designed the same way) bushings, install everything, and get the nuts on the bolts but DO NOT actually tighten the control arm bolts up until the car is on the ground and level, otherwise you'll have "preloaded" so to speak the bushing, where ever it gets locked in at (tightened) is where "neutral" is, and you want that to be when the car is level and on the ground.

2) never ever raise or lower a Panther chassis without addresses the bushings... same thing, if you raise it to fit your 28" rims, those bushings stretched, then as you go over bumps its going to be twisting that much more.... I don't know the actual correct way to raise or lower a Panther, but I would think you would want to unbolt all the control arm bolts to allow those teeth to rotate until the car is at it's new normal ride height, then crank them back in.

But, thats why they are known for going.... why did Ford choose this design? I dunno... I guess in the world of things it's not all that bad.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-16-08, 06:13 PM
Well they are durable. I will give them that.

thebigjimsho
03-16-08, 06:43 PM
Not reading novels. :nope:

96Fleetwood
03-16-08, 06:46 PM
Not reading novels. :nope:

Especially about a Ferd...

Crown Vic Owner
03-16-08, 07:35 PM
2004 is now only 4yrs old tho, I'm sure in 2000 alot of 1996 Panthers didn't have alot of problems.

The issue with the control arm bushings is their design, which is NOT like most cars....

if you look at my pictures, you'll see the bushing has an inner and an outter sleeve. The inner sleeve has the "teeth" on the side.

The rubber is vulcanized (bonded) to both the inner and outter sleeve. When correctly torqued (think tighter then darn tight.... around 150ft-lbs) the teeth in the center sleeve bite into the actual frame on the car, where the CA bolts to, so now the center sleeve is stationary along with the frame.... yet when the arm moves, the outter sleeve is pressed into the CA with however many thousands of pounds of force.... so what happens is the rubber actually sorta stretches and twists within the bushing, everytime the car goes over a bump.

Thats why there are 2 notes:

1) if/when you do replace the upper OR lower (both are designed the same way) bushings, install everything, and get the nuts on the bolts but DO NOT actually tighten the control arm bolts up until the car is on the ground and level, otherwise you'll have "preloaded" so to speak the bushing, where ever it gets locked in at (tightened) is where "neutral" is, and you want that to be when the car is level and on the ground.

2) never ever raise or lower a Panther chassis without addresses the bushings... same thing, if you raise it to fit your 28" rims, those bushings stretched, then as you go over bumps its going to be twisting that much more.... I don't know the actual correct way to raise or lower a Panther, but I would think you would want to unbolt all the control arm bolts to allow those teeth to rotate until the car is at it's new normal ride height, then crank them back in.

But, thats why they are known for going.... why did Ford choose this design? I dunno... I guess in the world of things it's not all that bad.

Funny, the 02s are having faulty components already left and right.

gary88
03-16-08, 07:50 PM
Just to balance things out here...

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/x09ca_ct001.jpg

CadillacGurl
03-16-08, 07:52 PM
Now THAT is sexy :drool:

Crown Vic Owner
03-16-08, 08:20 PM
Just to balance things out here...

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/x09ca_ct001.jpg

Will they take my CV as a downpayment?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-16-08, 09:12 PM
Up, right back in the sh*tter.

http://members.aol.com/cgearannex/79FordPintoRF.jpg

(its a Pinto, for those who can't tell)

thebigjimsho
03-17-08, 01:07 PM
Hmmm....

Pictures of Crown Vic: 40, 39 too many.
Pictures of SLS: 0, 1 too few.

Crown Vic Owner
03-17-08, 03:58 PM
http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg122/cvpiftw/?action=view&current=Movie_0008.flv
Thats the lac

HITMONEY
03-17-08, 04:38 PM
http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg122/cvpiftw/?action=view&current=Movie_0008.flv
Thats the lac

Anti-climatic.

:hmm:

Crown Vic Owner
03-17-08, 04:41 PM
i hope i edited out me swearing and acting and sounding like a jackass.

CTSV_Rob
03-17-08, 04:42 PM
:yeah:

There ya go...

gary88
03-17-08, 05:05 PM
Here are some videos that aren't boring

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CadillacGurl
03-17-08, 05:09 PM
Jason has the top video playing on the background of his phone, its kick ass

CadillacGurl
03-17-08, 05:17 PM
Old School Vids right here!
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HITMONEY
03-17-08, 05:18 PM
The second vid with the Bimmer is pretty impressive!

CTSV_Rob
03-17-08, 05:18 PM
Might be my new avatard.

CadillacGurl
03-17-08, 05:21 PM
Nice avatar Rob

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-17-08, 05:22 PM
Its all about style:

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And performance:

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I think that is the fastest Fleetwood I have ever seen.

urbanski
03-17-08, 05:26 PM
I'm an excellent driver

CadillacGurl
03-17-08, 05:26 PM
Damn that's fast... 96Fleet's Fleetwood is modded I wonder how fast it runs compared to that...

xshrpshtr
03-17-08, 05:38 PM
LOL...unless there are fences near!
I'm an excellent driver

RightTurn
03-17-08, 06:10 PM
Time for the big guns.

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96Fleetwood
03-17-08, 08:56 PM
Damn that's fast... 96Fleet's Fleetwood is modded I wonder how fast it runs compared to that...

How fast was that one? I can't play that at work.

My Fleetwood is disabled at the moment. Faulty gear install done last year ended up blowing my rear end after I got it back from the shop with the new mods (not a pretty sound or sight). Now it is getting a custom driveshaft & heavy duty rear done by one of the top driveline techs in the midwest. :stirpot:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-17-08, 09:25 PM
Wow man, sorry to hear about it. Maybe you should be a bit easier on the rear end (that's what she said!!) and skip out on the Impala SS nationals in St Louis and go to the Iowa meet instead! ;) :cool2:

Crown Vic Owner
03-17-08, 10:16 PM
How fast was that one? I can't play that at work.

My Fleetwood is disabled at the moment. Faulty gear install done last year ended up blowing my rear end after I got it back from the shop with the new mods (not a pretty sound or sight). Now it is getting a custom driveshaft & heavy duty rear done by one of the top driveline techs in the midwest. :stirpot:
What tech?


Elias, that your name?


Either way, i want to see your car one day, honestly, no BS and we need to um, have a non racing competition and not do this on the street (cough cough).

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-17-08, 10:54 PM
I bet his Fleetwood could keep up with a Supercharged 03+ Cobra. They're a low-mid 13 second car right?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-18-08, 12:44 AM
How fast was that one? I can't play that at work.

I tried counting it out, but its hard. Roughly 4.5 0-60 time. One of these days I have to stop by your house and see how fast all your cars actually are. I've got a friend with and '87 IROC that is itching for a good race. I would love to see his hopes and dreams smashed to pieces when he gets beat by a car twice the size of his. A few weeks ago he beat a Dodge Charger with the 6 Liter hemi by a good 2 carlengths from 0-75 and he is still raving about it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-18-08, 12:48 AM
Actually, that's a pretty solid kill. What's he done to his IROC?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-18-08, 05:40 PM
Engine was rebuilt before he got it, still all stock parts, but other than that not much. I know '87 was the fastest year for the 3rd gen camaro, and his has the 350tpi. Its a strong motor, but all torque and no hp. From a dead stop he can beat an lt1/ls1 camaro till about 40-45, but then he falls behind. If its a rolling start, even just 10 mph, he's screwed. My grandpa just bought an engine hoist, so I am gonna help him do a cam upgrade and ignition this summer. He also has plans to make it a 383 stroker, but he doesn't have the money yet.

96Fleetwood
03-18-08, 05:42 PM
There is no way he beat a SRT8 6.1 liter Hemi..

It sounds like he raced a 5.7 liter Hemi powered car.

The 350 TPI is strong, but not that strong.

Night Wolf
03-18-08, 06:49 PM
Man, all this talk about F-bodys and 350's makes me want to buy this sorta local Amigo with '92 Trans AM 350TBI/700R4 for $1,850.......

If only I had the money..... ugh.... and here I am probably gonna spend half that to find a truck with a good 2.6 to swap into my truck....

http://images.craigslist.org/01040601161401030920080314a69fdb247e72ad1119005796 .jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/010110010301010412200803144a82ffe14aad06f0d800cf4e .jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/01020401030001161120080314523b1b52621bcb97fe006b1e .jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/01020001031001160820080314a82d22c7d1f7182c3e008410 .jpg

Or maybe thats just what I should do with mine.....hard to justify tho cause the cost of the engine/trans not to mention work involved would end up being more then what that whole truck is selling for..... alright I really need to stop looking... and thinking about it now... Tho I must say, if it was a 5spd it would be sitting in my driveway right now...

96Fleetwood
03-18-08, 07:19 PM
Scrap yours and buy that one! No more timing belts or lack of power!

Night Wolf
03-18-08, 07:35 PM
Heh, can't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind.

That is a 2wd, like mine. The thing about it though is... what do you do with it? I mean, it would make a really neat vehicle, and actually would be a good daily driver as there is nothing exotic about the truck or drivetrain... it would just use more gas then a 4cyl Amigo. Plus, it looks like they dumped fuel injection in place for a carb.

But... it woudln't be an off-road truck, it's not 4wd (V8 conversions in Isuzu are alot more work for 4wd) not to mention its in way too nice of shape. Even with the V8, it isn't a race car... well, maybe in a stright line, but for real handling? It's still a full frame truck, they can be lowered, but eh, to me the 1st gen Amigo looks much better either stock or slightly lifted with larger tires.

I've thought about it tho... what would I do with it... it wouldn't be used off-road, so it would just be a daily driver... tho a very cool daily driver... and I'm pretty sure it would put an end to all the "Amigo" jokes too...

That truck is an XS, vs mine which is S. 1st gen Amigo only had S and XS, Rodeo also had LS, which was a step higher. The XS adds the chrome bumpers, chrome door handles, chrome mirrors, chrome tail lights etc... also adds inside the lower plastic door panels, map lights and full gauge cluster with tach, oil press and volts in addition to the speedo temp and fuel, it added tilt steering and intermitent wipers, tho I think cruise control still wasn't an option.... Still no power windows/locks tho. So that XS was a good truck to use for a cool V8 conversion.

I don't normally like red, but I like that red alot, looks good on the gen1 Amigo... plus, with the 350 it kinda goes well with it, same with the hood scoop (weather functional or not)

Ugh.... now I'm trying to think of ways to come up with the money.... thats really not a good position to be in right now. Tho it is pretty simple, I do not have the money to get it, and I refuse to get into more debt to buy a car...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-18-08, 08:23 PM
Well you'd still have an Amigo, but it'd be a much cooler Amigo. And anyone who owns a cool Amigo can be my Amigo anytime!

Brett
03-18-08, 10:30 PM
i hope i edited out me swearing and acting and sounding like a jackass.

Nope I checked. All your posts are still here:)

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-19-08, 12:06 AM
Well you'd still have an Amigo, but it'd be a much cooler Amigo. And anyone who owns a cool Amigo can be my Amigo anytime!

:lame: Sorry, but that is the corniest line ever.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-19-08, 09:50 AM
Sorry, you can blame that one on the Cocaine.

Jesda
03-19-08, 10:34 AM
Sorry, you can blame that one on the Cocaine.

Eric Clapton said it was alright.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-19-08, 12:32 PM
So does George Michael, and I listen to what he preaches!

CadillacSTS42005
03-21-08, 08:37 PM
ok
well since driving a retired CVPI is sooo cool
i thought id share some vids
at my shop we service all of the local pds Interceptors, sadly all Ford Vics and 1 Explorer
they spend more time in our shop than on the road, i swear we must own the barracks garage
anywho since driving a retired one is like owning a car hand built by Jesus, driving an actual new Police Interceptor must be like cruising around in the car of GOD.
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I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-21-08, 08:45 PM
Boy, with cars like that, who needs Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Maseratis, Paganis, Koenigseggs, Aston Martins, Rolls Royces, Bentleys, BMW's, Benzes, Cadillacs, Lexuses, Audis and Bugattis? :histeric:

thebigjimsho
03-21-08, 09:20 PM
Paganis are ugly.

AlBundy
03-21-08, 10:24 PM
But a Crown Vic isn't?

Destroyer
03-21-08, 10:45 PM
I've always secretely liked Police cars. The newer Crown Vics are pretty cool. I'd buy one for cheap.

AlBundy
03-21-08, 10:58 PM
Do you mean you would buy a maurader for cheap?

Jesda
03-21-08, 11:59 PM
I'd buy a retired police car.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-22-08, 12:21 AM
I would NEVER buy a retired police car. They beat the shit out of them. We have one at my tech school that the cop drove through a fence and sent a pole right through the floorboard and into the dash. I would love to have one, but never one that was once owned by a police force.

This is the CVPI I want. http://www.mcsmk8.com/02CV/02CV.HTM

Look around that guy's site, he has some pretty sweet cars.

Night Wolf
03-22-08, 06:25 AM
I would NEVER buy a retired police car. They beat the shit out of them. We have one at my tech school that the cop drove through a fence and sent a pole right through the floorboard and into the dash. I would love to have one, but never one that was once owned by a police force.

This is the CVPI I want. http://www.mcsmk8.com/02CV/02CV.HTM

Look around that guy's site, he has some pretty sweet cars.

thats Ultra Slow... he's a member here, has the '81? Fleetwood with the 500... very awesome cars indeed.

96Fleetwood
03-22-08, 07:53 AM
Isn't it funny that he bought this '04 CVPI for $3K and you can't touch a '96 Caprice 9C1 with under 100K miles for less than $3K.:eek:

Brett
03-22-08, 08:27 AM
thats weird because his stories have been so consistent up to this point

CadillacSTS42005
03-22-08, 11:11 AM
id rather run a 9C1 than a friggen Saleen Stang......

hell old Cali or FL Z/28 interceptor would be a nice "cruiser" too (pun intended)

dkozloski
03-22-08, 11:22 AM
The best part of a Crown Vic is the floor drain in the backseat floorboards so you can rinse out all the stray bodily fluids with a hose. Maybe that's an Alaska mod.

Crown Vic Owner
03-22-08, 09:45 PM
The best part of a Crown Vic is the floor drain in the backseat floorboards so you can rinse out all the stray bodily fluids with a hose. Maybe that's an Alaska mod.

Alaska mod.


Mine was never a police car.


As well, it was cheap for a reason.

thebigjimsho
03-22-08, 11:22 PM
As well, nothing.

Destroyer
03-23-08, 09:13 AM
I bet his Fleetwood could keep up with a Supercharged 03+ Cobra. They're a low-mid 13 second car right?Whose Fleetwood? Elias's or that white one?. Regardless you are spot on with the times on an '03 Cobra although several have run high 12's stock and a lot faster with simple bolt ons. Would take quite a bit of work for Elias to run low 13's.

CadillacSTS42005
03-23-08, 09:31 AM
yea
Eias's Fleet is rather nice
but in all honesty Chad, its not touching a S/C Cobra unless hes got some serious Nitrous.....

96Fleetwood
03-23-08, 09:52 AM
Whose Fleetwood? Elias's or that white one?. Regardless you are spot on with the times on an '03 Cobra although several have run high 12's stock and a lot faster with simple bolt ons. Would take quite a bit of work for Elias to run low 13's.

The '95 Roadmaster "GS" I had ran high 13s.. the Fleetwood could probably match that with drag radials. No nitrous needed to run low 13s though. There were several modded Fleetwoods (Golen 383) running low 13s on the SS forum :highfive: Not bad for a 4800 lb vehicle!

CadillacSTS42005
03-23-08, 11:49 AM
true
and you know i love your fleet
and im an avid ford hater
but the Fleet will not take a 12 second Cobra...
not even the all mighty Fleet FTS will...

96Fleetwood
03-23-08, 12:06 PM
true
and you know i love your fleet
and im an avid ford hater
but the Fleet will not take a 12 second Cobra...
not even the all mighty Fleet FTS will...

Did I say I could... not at all. My Fleetwood is a slow show car, I do not have the money to make it a 11 second show car just yet.

I know of two Fleetwoods who would give a Cobra a run for the money... I also know of a dozen 11 second '94-96 Impala SS sedans that would whoop one :stirpot:

Destroyer
03-23-08, 12:17 PM
The '95 Roadmaster "GS" I had ran high 13s.. the Fleetwood could probably match that with drag radials. No nitrous needed to run low 13s though. There were several modded Fleetwoods (Golen 383) running low 13s on the SS forum :highfive: Not bad for a 4800 lb vehicle!If I'm not mistaken your Fleetwood has a cold air intake/exhaust and gears right?. Elias, my friend the car will NOT run 13's with that, even with D/R's. I love what youve done with your car but I know cars Elias and have owned several LT1 cars. My '95 vert Z28 only ran a 14.4 in the 1/4 stock and it was much lighter than a Fleetwood. Got any timeslips of the Roadmaster?. What was done to it?.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-23-08, 12:27 PM
Elias's engine bay:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2008%20Chicago%20meet/IMG_1914.jpg

A little more than just CAI and exhaust.

96Fleetwood
03-23-08, 12:40 PM
Glad to see you owned some LT1 cars. Anything else besides the Vette and Z28?

Sorry no time slips, the tracks are closed here in the winter and I sold the GS already. I will email the original owner of the Roadmaster to see if he has any copies. It had 160 degree tstat, tb bypass, headers, high flow cats, exhaust with h-pipe, pcm tuning, cai, 3.73 gears. It ran 13.9 on drag radials and 14.2 on street tires.

Just go to the SS forum and browse around, or if you really insist I will find their slips and post them here. The Roadmaster, Caprice and SS weighs ~4,200 lbs. About 400 lbs. less than the Fleetwood.

A Z28 with similar mods would be a low 13 second car with DRs.

The '95 Roadmaster Limited sedan was tested in Motor Trend to run a 15.0 second 1/4 mile bone stock with the 2.93 gears.

... so what is this you are talking about?

Who started this Cobra vs. LT1 nonsense anyways?

Do you have any time slips of your Cobra or LT1 cars?

Destroyer
03-23-08, 02:38 PM
Glad to see you owned some LT1 cars. Anything else besides the Vette and Z28?

Sorry no time slips, the tracks are closed here in the winter and I sold the GS already. I will email the original owner of the Roadmaster to see if he has any copies. It had 160 degree tstat, tb bypass, headers, high flow cats, exhaust with h-pipe, pcm tuning, cai, 3.73 gears. It ran 13.9 on drag radials and 14.2 on street tires.

Just go to the SS forum and browse around, or if you really insist I will find their slips and post them here. The Roadmaster, Caprice and SS weighs ~4,200 lbs. About 400 lbs. less than the Fleetwood.

A Z28 with similar mods would be a low 13 second car with DRs.

The '95 Roadmaster Limited sedan was tested in Motor Trend to run a 15.0 second 1/4 mile bone stock with the 2.93 gears.

... so what is this you are talking about?

Who started this Cobra vs. LT1 nonsense anyways?

Do you have any time slips of your Cobra or LT1 cars?Nah, no timeslips, I dont save them. Got rid of the Z28 like 4 years ago so they were probably still in the center console. Haven't run the Cobra yet and probably wont, I'm not really all that into racing anymore especially since I have the kids in the car most of the time I'm driving it anyway. Its my beach car.


Far as other LT1 cars I've owned it was 2 fbody Camaro's a '94 6m and the '95 vert. My buddy had a '94 9C1 cop car that I helped him modify. We installed a remanufactured '94 Vette LT1 which was a mistake cause the car lost some acceleration but made up for it in the upper rpm's, 4.11 gears/posi, stall converter, rebuilt trans, headers w/x pipe and flowmasters and a bunch of other crap, I dont remember all but my bud is a "no holds barred" kinda guy when he starts modifying cars. He now has a supercharged '04 Mach 1 that runs 11.6 @ 121mph.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/P3300010.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/P3300007.jpg

dkozloski
03-23-08, 02:53 PM
Everytime I see this stuff about LT1s I remember my '66 El Camino with a 370HP, 350, LT1 with a Z28 Export cam kit and AFR heads that ran in the low twelves in the early 70s. This can't be the same LT1 you guys talk about. Mine was cast iron all the way and came from the factory with 11.5:1 Forgedtrue pistons, full floating piston pins, an aluminum hi-rise intake and a 785 CFM Holley carb. I used an aluminum single point distributor, a Delta CD ignition and Packard 440 wire. Back then I was turning it around 8000RPM and it whailed. The truck had 5.14:1 gears and a Muncie close ratio transmission. It was my daily driver and I had a 30 mile commute.

Destroyer
03-23-08, 07:04 PM
Everytime I see this stuff about LT1s I remember my '66 El Camino with a 370HP, 350, LT1 with a Z28 Export cam kit and AFR heads that ran in the low twelves in the early 70s. This can't be the same LT1 you guys talk about.No its not the same however I did have an original '70 LT1 years back in a modified Monte Carlo. Anyway we are talking about the LT1 350 found in '92-'96 Corvettes, '93-'97 Fbody cars and '94-'96 in GM full size cars like the Caprice, Fleetwood and Roadmaster.

Destroyer
03-23-08, 07:09 PM
Elias's engine bay:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2008%20Chicago%20meet/IMG_1914.jpg

A little more than just CAI and exhaust.Well detailed and we expect nothing less of Elias but thats a pretty stock looking engine bay with the exception of the CAI. Elias are those aftermaket headers or did you paint the exhaust manifolds?.

96Fleetwood
03-23-08, 07:19 PM
You can read my list of mods on the cardomain site. I didn't do any internals because it is just wasn't worth it at this point in time... I will be buying a CTS-V or Pontiac G8 in the next year or two so why bother. When I first modded it, I needed it to be reliable because it was my daily driver, so I stuck with the common bolt ons. I might still go 383/T56 later on.

Wow Nick, give me some credit. Those are Clear Image Automotive Headers mated to CIA export pipes & the Borla Catback. I coated the headers with POR20 before I installed them.

The only difference between the mods on the Roadmaster GS and the Fleetwood are the brands and who tuned them.

That is a very clean 9C1 your friend had. I looked at a couple, but with under 100K miles they fetch $4-5K. That is way too much for that car IMO.

Does your buddy still have his 9C1?

96Fleetwood
03-23-08, 07:29 PM
http://carad.ebayimg.com/i1/03/a/000/78/32/edb8_4.JPG

Stock LT1 Manifolds with air pump.. much like the ones in your Z28.

Destroyer
03-23-08, 07:56 PM
You can read my list of mods on the cardomain site. I didn't do any internals because it is just wasn't worth it at this point in time... I will be buying a CTS-V or Pontiac G8 in the next year or two so why bother. When I first modded it, I needed it to be reliable because it was my daily driver, so I stuck with the common bolt ons. I might still go 383/T56 later on.

Wow Nick, give me some credit. Those are Clear Image Automotive Headers mated to CIA export pipes & the Borla Catback. I coated the headers with POR20 before I installed them.

The only difference between the mods on the Roadmaster GS and the Fleetwood are the brands and who tuned them.

That is a very clean 9C1 your friend had. I looked at a couple, but with under 100K miles they fetch $4-5K. That is way too much for that car IMO.

Does your buddy still have his 9C1?
Funky looking headers bro, almost exhaust manifold(ish) in appearance but not. Figured that may be what the stock manifolds looked like painted since all I've seen is rusty crappy ones. Nice though!.

My buddy doesn't have the 9C1 anymore. Fun car but he really didn't need a car that big. I wanna say that after all those mods he ran an 8.4 or so in the 1/8th mile but my memory is fading, I'll ask him if he remembers. He paid $2500 for that car many years ago but had it repainted and did a TON of work to it. Crap that pic I posted was like 7-8 years ago at my first house. Anyway he's got the Mach 1 now. Funny he and I were so anti-Ford and now we swear by them.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-23-08, 08:07 PM
Everytime I see this stuff about LT1s I remember my '66 El Camino with a 370HP, 350, LT1 with a Z28 Export cam kit and AFR heads that ran in the low twelves in the early 70s. This can't be the same LT1 you guys talk about. Mine was cast iron all the way and came from the factory with 11.5:1 Forgedtrue pistons, full floating piston pins, an aluminum hi-rise intake and a 785 CFM Holley carb. I used an aluminum single point distributor, a Delta CD ignition and Packard 440 wire. Back then I was turning it around 8000RPM and it whailed. The truck had 5.14:1 gears and a Muncie close ratio transmission. It was my daily driver and I had a 30 mile commute.

One of my grandfather's friends has a late 60's El Camino with that engine. Its completely stock with only 38,000 miles and it hauls some serious ass. Makes you wish the government hadn't set air pollution standard and killed the muscle car.