The dealer told me something very interesting today -- and keep
in mind the source of this information -- but it seems that since
the CTS has won so much appraisal, owners of BMWs and other
luxury vehicles are giving the Cadillac CTS a chance.

Anyone here recently switch from another luxury brand to the
CTS? I am very interested in hearing how this car lives up to
those models, particularly for the fact that I am a current Acura
RL leaser and thinking of leasing a CTS very shortly.

I went from an Infiniti M35 to the CTS and I have no complaints. Also, keep in mind you are eligible for the $1000 conquest rebate since you are an existing Acura owner.

I traded in a Lexus Rx400 for my CTS. I have owned 2 Lexus and 2 Mercedes and the CTS is better than any of them.

I moved to the '08 CTS from an Infiniti G35. The CTS is a far better car -- design, quality, features, handling, ride, etc. are all superior to what my G35 provided.

I was testing Infiniti M35 and looked at MB C350. I do no like BMW so series 3 were off the list. Acura – FWD so it was no no. CTS won. There are some quirks – see my other posts but fundamentally it is a great car. GM just need to get the “initial quality” right.

I switched from a BMW 530i, and the CTS is better. In all fairness, the BMW was an '01, but the current 535i is too expensive relative to the CTS when loaded up with similar options. Even my '01 BMW handled better than many sport luxury sedans that I test drove, but the CTS with FE2 (or FE3) suspension drives as good or better. The CTS is quieter too, which was important to my wife.

None of the other cars I considered were American, so it was kinda cool to see the American make/model come out on top. The CTS had the handling, the quiet well-appointed interior, the high-tech, and the tilt factor that I can't explain but just made me wanna get back in the car and drive.

Switched to a CTS4 from a 2006 Audi A6. I thought the Audi was a pretty nice car, especially the interior. However, as I mentioned earlier, the CTS handles better, rides better, is quieter, has a silkier engine, and is faster...what else can you ask for?

Didn't switch from any of the cars listed but was Thhhaaattttt close to buying a loaded Lexus ES350. Somehow when i think of the CTS, i think of the phrase "Something wicked this way comes......."

I am coming out of a BMW X3. I seriously considered the Lexus IS250 (nice lease deals but too small) and the Benz C 300 (still no good lease deals because it's too new and the interior is crappy). I too am happy that the American car came out on top!

I came from Ford lol. Its way faster, better looking, smoother, quiter, handles better, gets better gas mileage, better build quality, better transmission than my F-150 lol. Big surprise. Hmmmmm, i just miss the tow rating.
But i almost got a BMW. I got the Caddy instead cus Caddy is American and it was different plus its on par with the BMW and thats saying something.

I am 36 and currently have a BMW 745i and am going to sell my German steel for the 08 CTS DI. The industry awards, test drive and look of this vehicle has won me over BIGTIME. I am exactly in the demographic crosshair of what Cadillac's management is trying to achieve with this vehicle. This car will clearly help Cadillac rebrand the company as a car of today...the technology and body lines speak for themselves!

All I have to say is "it's about time!"

:)

Coming from a BMWS 740 the CTS is on par with that car. I love the BMW and I love the CTS. The only sad thing is the while the BMW has a much, much bigger interior than the CTS, they weigh the same.... BMW is going up for sale all the same. Just don't need two lux. cars.

Coming from a BMWS 740 the CTS is on par with that car. I love the BMW and I love the CTS. The only sad thing is the while the BMW has a much, much bigger interior than the CTS, they weigh the same.... BMW is going up for sale all the same. Just don't need two lux. cars.

I doubt that. The CTS is very heavy but so was the Bimmer.
Typically over 4200 pounds?
I would give the CTS a 400 pound advantage......... But I will grant the 740 is a much larger car.

The BMW 745i (current spec) was released in 2002 and the interior and exterior hasnt really changed and the technology is very dated and so is the look IMO. Bigger, sure but you can still seat 4 easily in the CTS and the truck size doesnt suck :)

I doubt that. The CTS is very heavy but so was the Bimmer.
Typically over 4200 pounds?
I would give the CTS a 400 pound advantage......... But I will grant the 740 is a much larger car.

740: 4200 lbs. CTS4: 41xx lbs. Pretty close in my book. 2WD CTS would probably give you the 400 lb advantage. Should have specified the 4WD earlier.

I picked up my 08 CTS two days ago. I previously drove a Lexus RX300 and RX330. So far, I am very impressed with the CTS. I had ordered it on 12/14/08, fully loaded, and it came in on 2/12/08. I waited to pick it up, so that my sales person got full credit for the delivery (he was on vacation). The dealer said that while it was sitting on the lot, they had 59 different offers to buy the car. Oh well.
The only difference between dealing with GM vs. Lexus is in the area of service. Lexus was outstanding on service, and if any service was going to last more than 4 hours, a loaner was provided at no charge. We'll see how the service goes on this car, and I'll let you know my on-going driving experience with my CTS (if my wife ever lets me drive it).
GM has hit a home run with this car.:yup:

I have my father to thank for the switch. I was in a 2002 Audi S4 and loved it. Great handling, mega torque out of the bi-turbo and great looks. My father was in town and he was looking to buy a new car, so we headed down to the local Cadi dealer to try the new CTS. Long story short, when I got back into the Audi, it looked and felt dated. I miss the torque of the 2.7T, but the CTS is a technical tour-de-force with the HDD entertainment system, heated/cooled seats, rainsense wipers, etc., etc. Also, it took a little time to grow into a larger car, but the handling is on par with the Audi. No slop in the steering or suspension, able to absorb abuse without losing composure - very confident vehicle on the road. As FozzyBear said, GM has definitely hit a home run with this car. I can't wait for the CTS-V, the coupe and whatever's next!

Congrats on your new CTS, FozzyBear - may you have many miles of smiles.

I left lexus i was on my second car with them the last one was the 07 GS350, i was content with the lexus but it was lacking power and the body reminded me of a nissan maxima, i didnt like that. Well i was looking to get into a bimmer but after having a lexus and sitting into a bimmer its like going back 20 yrs as far as modern technology goes. Granted the bimmers handle a hell of a lot better than lexus, but when your sitting inthe car you want that wow factor especially if you have spent 40k and up. I was holding out fot he lexus ISF which is a beast! I went to the lexus release party here in vegas and that car is a monster!!!!!! My friend had just bought a new escalade and he told me to go down there and look at the new cts. I was like nahhh, i pulled it up online and it was ok, but when he finally got me down there (at night) they had one about to go on a test drive all lit up and i fell in love, then after i drove it i knew at that moment that lexus had lost me, 3 mos later i was in my own cts, im happy, i love everything about it and i havent looked back yet!

Well i was looking to get into a bimmer but after having a lexus and sitting into a bimmer its like going back 20 yrs as far as modern technology goes. Granted the bimmers handle a hell of a lot better than lexus, but when your sitting inthe car you want that wow factor especially if you have spent 40k and up.

Yeah, even when I bought my '01 530i, there were elements of the interior that seemed like they were designed 10 years prior (e.g. the steering wheel). Once BMW thinks they've done something right, they're loathe to change, even when faced with customer complaints (cupholders, iDrive, etc.).

I have my father to thank for the switch. I was in a 2002 Audi S4 and loved it. Great handling, mega torque out of the bi-turbo and great looks. My father was in town and he was looking to buy a new car, so we headed down to the local Cadi dealer to try the new CTS. Long story short, when I got back into the Audi, it looked and felt dated. I miss the torque of the 2.7T, but the CTS is a technical tour-de-force with the HDD entertainment system, heated/cooled seats, rainsense wipers, etc., etc. Also, it took a little time to grow into a larger car, but the handling is on par with the Audi. No slop in the steering or suspension, able to absorb abuse without losing composure - very confident vehicle on the road. As FozzyBear said, GM has definitely hit a home run with this car. I can't wait for the CTS-V, the coupe and whatever's next!

I also have an S4. Great Car. No issues. Thinking about the switch to CTS4, but haven't pulled the trigger yet.

My '08 CTS was a "natural" after my great '03 CTS (with Sport package)--but prior to that, I had two Acuras in a row. Both Caddies have been "flawless" to date. In the '08 CTS, the quality of build, the features (infotainment, cooled seats, Rainsense, Panoramic Sunroof, lighting--HID's and LED's and light pipes), performance (3.6DI and AWD and 6-speed), ride and especially the looks of the car, are all top notch. I love driving this car! It is alot more "fun" than either of my Acuras, and they regularly had items requiring servicing, even though I really pamper my cars. GM sure did hit a "homerun" with this one, as has been said by many!:cheers:

That's great to hear from a former Acura owner. Thank You!

I got out of my 2000 BMW 528i Sport, with my CTS on order. I can't wait to have the new CTS (w/ FE3), which should match the 528 in the corners and walk away from it in the straight aways. Not to mention enough bells and whistles in it to cost many evenings of reading through the manual :)

Twig

Let me edit my question here...

That brings up a great question.

I am going for a loaded v6 DI (304 HP) CTS. Completely loaded!

I need the "All Weather" tire package as I live in NJ.

You like the FE3 suspension. I love the fact that you say it
hugs the turns.

However only the FE2 suspension (sport) is available on the
"All Weather" package. Is there much of a difference as how
well I'll be able to race into turns and keep the car hugging the corners?

However only the FE2 suspension (sport) is available on the
"All Weather" package. Is there much of a difference as how
well I'll be able to race into turns and keep the car hugging the corners?

I know your question was directed at Twig, but since Twig and I are coming from nearly the same car, I'll answer too...

I have the AWD with FE2. In all my test drives, I felt like the FE2 CTS handled better than the MB C- and E-Class, the Acura TL, the Lexus GS, the Audi A6, the Volvo S80, the Volvo S40, and a FE1 CTS that I'd driven earlier. I felt the handling was comparible to my BMW and the Audi A4. All subjective of course.

For automatics, my BMW Steptronic was a cut above your average slushbox, but the CTS goes way beyond the BMW during serious driving (comparing both automatics in their "Sport" mode). With a rear-biased AWD, you'll have that much more corner hugging ability.

I looked at M35, Acura RL, BMW 330 and bought the CTS 4 DI loaded Thunder gray. Have 5k miles in 2 months and the car is great in all respects. The best is the understated elegance you get with the Cadillac over all the imports. Go Cadillac !

The dealer told me something very interesting today -- and keep
in mind the source of this information -- but it seems that since
the CTS has won so much appraisal, owners of BMWs and other
luxury vehicles are giving the Cadillac CTS a chance.

Anyone here recently switch from another luxury brand to the
CTS? I am very interested in hearing how this car lives up to
those models, particularly for the fact that I am a current Acura
RL leaser and thinking of leasing a CTS very shortly.
I came from a 2006 BMW 325i fully loaded to the CTS fully loaded. The BMW is a better handleing car, but the CTS is a much better driving car (long road trips). The CTS has a much better thought out interior in looks and quality.

Over all, they are very different cars. The BMW felt like I could take any corner at any speed. It was VERY fun to drive on short trips and not so good on long trips.

If the BMW would update it's interior and Navi it would be my car of choice. However, they seem unable or unwilling to do so... So the CTS wins.

ThunderRoad,

What color interior did you get with that Thunder Gray.

I'm thinking Thunder Gray and Black interior but I'm not sure if that's
just too dark all around.

I'm thinking Thunder Gray and Black interior but I'm not sure if that's
just too dark all around.

Nonsense, it's perfect!

I suppose this is a good place to ask a question that has come up before in blogs/forums and the car mags.
is the CTS supposed to compete with the bmw-3 or bmw-5 series. car&driver tested the CTS against a 3 and (of course) judged the 3 as a better sport sedan. CTS weighs 500lbs more with similar hp, but they targeted $38k as-tested price.
I think the CTS due to its dimensions is aimed directly at the 5. I've seen criticism of GM for this neither-nor marketing but I think it is a great alternate to the 5, which similarly equipped can be 12-15k$ more. sure the CTS doesn't handle like a 3 but the 3 is compact and CTS is mid size.
I see the 3 as a sporty sedan with luxury, the CTS and 5 as luxury sedans with sportiness.
rg

In my personal opinion the CTS more competes with series 5 than 3. I would never go for 3 as this car is just too small. CTS is just right...

Twig

Let me edit my question here...

That brings up a great question.

I am going for a loaded v6 DI (304 HP) CTS. Completely loaded!

I need the "All Weather" tire package as I live in NJ.

You like the FE3 suspension. I love the fact that you say it
hugs the turns.

However only the FE2 suspension (sport) is available on the
"All Weather" package. Is there much of a difference as how
well I'll be able to race into turns and keep the car hugging the corners?


Sorry I can't answer your question... I've ordered my CTS but haven't received it yet. I've driven only the FE1 and FE2 (neither AWD). I almost wrote off the CTS after driving the FE1. I later came back and tried the FE2 and couldn't believe the difference. The FE2 wasn't too far from my 528 in the corners. It wasn't as nimble and felt heavier... but it also was with a vvt and not the DI engine. It's likely that the first time I drive a DI and a car with FE3 will be my car when it arrives. But, that isn't apparently going to be anytime soon, as I'm waiting for the PDQ constraint to be resolved.

-twig

I suppose this is a good place to ask a question that has come up before in blogs/forums and the car mags.
is the CTS supposed to compete with the bmw-3 or bmw-5 series. car&driver tested the CTS against a 3 and (of course) judged the 3 as a better sport sedan. CTS weighs 500lbs more with similar hp, but they targeted $38k as-tested price.
I think the CTS due to its dimensions is aimed directly at the 5. I've seen criticism of GM for this neither-nor marketing but I think it is a great alternate to the 5, which similarly equipped can be 12-15k$ more. sure the CTS doesn't handle like a 3 but the 3 is compact and CTS is mid size.
I see the 3 as a sporty sedan with luxury, the CTS and 5 as luxury sedans with sportiness.
rg

My thoughts exactly, the CTS is equipped and built to compete with the BMW 5 series, Lexus GS and Acura RL etc...etc.... but i guess considering its base price and Supposedly "Entry Level" status they compare it with the other entry level luxury sedans, which is beyond me, because fully equipped the CTS has the same ammenities as the 80k plus lexus LS and plenty more than a loaded 5.. go figure

In 1978 I switched from American cars to BMW because I was not able to get an American sedan with rear wheel drive that also had the ability to turn and stop. I have been very satisfied with the several BMW's that I have had, but I also have been very unhappy with the company. It's been a long long time since we have seen an American rear wheel drive sedan that will turn and stop. The new CTS that my wife just bought does very well in all categories. I am already much happier dealing with GM and Cadillac that I ever was dealing with BMW. The CTS is not the canyon racer that my last 3 series was, and it is not the cruiser that my 750iL is, but it is a VERY good car that is priced right and has many attributes that are better than the BMW's. We are truly pleased to be able to "Buy American" again, and get an automobile with good handling characteristics, good performance, and that most important feature, rear wheel drive. (CTS, fully loaded, DI engine, Level II suspension, red, light titanium interior)

Hail, Hail, Rock and Roll and RWD!

It is interesting to see the market play out - Lots of former import owners coming to Cadillac and people like me going the other way.

I've been waiting to drop this on a forum and see what happens - one key for me choosing Cadillac over BMW is a car&driver article, long term test of a 330i. It is still up on their web site. read the last 4 paragraphs, among other things (intermittent ac, failed starter button, etc) the freakin' rear wheel bearing went bad at 37000 miles! Huh? for the "perfect car" to do this and they wave it off cause it's under warranty. I am the first to say that any vehicle can have problems but something like that is unforgiveable.
rg

I left my 2002 Acura TL and test drove the C300 Benz and the CTS.. bought the CTS.. way more bang for your buck.. one thing I just didnt understand with the Benz is that it didnt come with seat memory. This car is the only one that my wife and I drive together, so seat memory is an important issue to us. But for a car that is upper 30's to low 40's to not have seat memory as an option or standard equipment is just silly.
I like the car better than the Acura but again its new and the Acura had 95k miles on it when I traded it in. But it just rides better is quieter and has more features to it.

Dana

I switched from a '03 5 series BMW. I have a 6 spd manual with the 305 hp engine and it is a much better car. It is obviously quicker, but has equal handling and a better interior. The shift from first to second is not as smooth as the BMW, but the rest is okay. The only problem I had was with snow. I could not advance up a one foot grade with the factory tires and the car literally had to be towed to get snow tires. With snow tires and 150lbs in the rear, the car drives better in the snow than my wife's Toyota Avalon and Sienna. Overall much happier with the Caddy. It is nice to see a US made car that finally beats the BMW. BTW- I drove the new 5 series and this is a better car. The I-drive on the BMW still sucks. The CTS I have is loaded and is not only a better car, but was much cheaper.

Hail, Hail, Rock and Roll and RWD!

amen to that!

I had a 2005 BMW 525 on lease and when it expired I traded it in for a loaded CTS. I almost re-leased a 2008 535 in August, but the cost was so high and the BMW dealer so arrogant, that I sat on the deal awhile trying to figure out if I should go back to BMW. I could not find another comparable car. At the time I was not aware of the new CTS coming out.

Then in September I saw a CTS on the street and test drove one right away. I parked it side-by-side with my 525. The exterior of the CTS is slightly larger and more agressive looking. Front seat room is about the same in both cars. BMW is a little bigger in the back seat. I found that the CTS handles better, has a nicer interior, has more features (AC seats, HDD, better screen and nav than idrive, etc.) and was almost $15k less.

I was very happy with the Cadillac dealer and even happier that I made the switch!

I go through cars like socks.....

Since 04 I have had a new Acura TL, Acura TSX, Corvette ( much <3), BMW 330 CI (This was the only used one), and Mazda 3. Needless to say I drive and buy a few cars.

I like in California which is the Japanese capital of the world (Toyota, take a trip in San Jose). My next car is going to be a Cadillac CTS (OR CTS Coupe, waiting to see if Bluetooth is coming in 09). When most people hear "Cadillac" out here they think Grandpa's car. I take the time to show these people the car and they walk away impressed, mostly with the interior.

I considered IS350, New C class Mercedes, new 335, and infinity g37 (I think the new ones are called g37) anyways the Cadillac won out. With the exception of the BMW, it out handled, out drove and to be clear it outshined all the other cars. I did give a clear cut win to the BMW in driving but BMW IMO is the ultimate driving machine, they don't lie about that. The interior of the Cadillac was the clear cut winner over the BMW though.

For Cadillac to make an interior that puts the Germans to shame was something I enjoyed seeing. Now if they will just allow us to order the Creme color interior with woodgrain on the CTS Coupe, it will be sold..

So if you are looking for a great deal and a great car at a reasonable price I would say go with Cadillac.

Sorry about the long story but I went round and round trying to figure out which car I was going to get. I hope this helped.

I left my 2002 Acura TL and test drove the C300 Benz and the CTS.. bought the CTS.. way more bang for your buck.. one thing I just didnt understand with the Benz is that it didnt come with seat memory. This car is the only one that my wife and I drive together, so seat memory is an important issue to us. But for a car that is upper 30's to low 40's to not have seat memory as an option or standard equipment is just silly.


Yeah, no seat memory was deal breaker for me on the MB C300 too. Seems like a piddly thing, but without it, the car had to be leaps & bounds ahead of the CTS for us to overlook the seats, and it wasn't.

Yeah, no seat memory was deal breaker for me on the MB C300 too. Seems like a piddly thing, but without it, the car had to be leaps & bounds ahead of the CTS for us to overlook the seats, and it wasn't.

Thanks, was hoping that I wasnt the only one that felt that way.. but when you spend that kind of money on a car, that is one feature that should be an automatic.

Dana

I see this thread is getting lot of views (relative to most other current topics). Thanks to all who have actual experience and shared it. I did my pre-test shopping and comparisons online (mfr websites, blogs, forums) and reading magazine reviews. however when I test drove a CTS I felt no need to try anything else and went for it as is. No Regrets.
rg

I currently have a BMW 550i Sport with Active steering (and suspension I believe). Coming from a 540i Sport, and a Lexus GS400. I also have a 2004 twin turbo Corvette Z06.

The handling of my current BMW is incredible, it feels like it handles better than the Corvette. I don't know if the actual g's are better than the vette, the car is flat and fast in the turns. The engine is very strong, pulls hard everywhere, just an absolute pleasure to drive. I have almost taken a shot gun to the iDrive, it's that bad. I'm use to it, that's not the problem. it's slow and there are too many steps to get most of the common tasks done.

This year I needed to have AWD, the summer tires do not work in the snow (I'm not switching wheels/tires for summer winter).
I test drove:
CTS - Loved the interior and exterior. Loved the high technology of everything (except the lack of bluetooth, stupid)
BMW 535xi (I love turbos) - Surprisingly I loved the motor, I expected to be disappointed, but wasn't. The technology in the car was too far behind, the iDrive had some minor upgrades, the Nav is still a P.O.S.
Infiniti M45x - NICE car, incredible drive and roooomy. Lacked personality.
Audi A6 4.2 - You have got to be joking with this car. It was big, wasn't great at anything else.
Lexus ES and GS - Didn't like the look of them, inside or out, didn't drive 'em.
CTS second time - Brought the entire family, wife and three kids, we didn't fit that well the BMW is a little bigger in the back. buth we are rarely in my car together. The 300 hp CTS would be spanked by the 300 hp BMW, but the caddy wins at every other measure.

I ordered my red/black CTS and I'm actually excited to get it.

The 300 hp CTS would be spanked by the 300 hp BMW, but the caddy wins at every other measure.

C&D had the BMW .2 seconds faster 0-60 and .6 seconds faster in the quarter, although that may have been the AWD BMW and the RWD CTS.

Congrats on your purchase, HammerVette - and welcome to the forums.

Curious thing though, CTS is entry level for Cadillac but 5-series is like 3 steps up from entry level for bmw.
rg

Curious thing though, CTS is entry level for Cadillac but 5-series is like 3 steps up from entry level for bmw.
rg

I hear you, but I don't know if that is the proper way to look at it though.
The CTS is the only sport sedan made by Cadillac.
So, yes it is "entry", but it is also "top of the line".

...The CTS is the only sport sedan made by Cadillac.
So, yes it is "entry", but it is also "top of the line".

good point. I guess the Cimarron would be Cadillac's real entry level car.
:)

I traded in a Lexus Rx400 for my CTS. I have owned 2 Lexus and 2 Mercedes and the CTS is better than any of them.


Ha There is no RX 400..:bigroll:

I hear you, but I don't know if that is the proper way to look at it though.
The CTS is the only sport sedan made by Cadillac.
So, yes it is "entry", but it is also "top of the line".

Agreed. BMW has done an amazing job of segmenting the luxury market into three incremental segments, with each step up adding to the size, feature list, and price. Now they're adding a fourth segment with the 1-Series. As a result, everyone has to mimic their lineup or fail miserably in Car&Driver-esque comparos.

Many of the mags like to compare the CTS with the BMW 3-Series (and MB C-Class, etc.), but I feel like there's more similarity with the BMW 5-Series (where the CTS kicks @ss on price). I applaud Cadillac for delivering a product that competes against a couple of European luxury segments and for delivering a design that has American DNA, rather than trying to ape BMW or MB or Audi.

Agreed. BMW has done an amazing job of segmenting the luxury market into three incremental segments, with each step up adding to the size, feature list, and price. Now they're adding a fourth segment with the 1-Series. As a result, everyone has to mimic their lineup or fail miserably in Car&Driver-esque comparos.

Many of the mags like to compare the CTS with the BMW 3-Series (and MB C-Class, etc.), but I feel like there's more similarity with the BMW 5-Series (where the CTS kicks @ss on price). I applaud Cadillac for delivering a product that competes against a couple of European luxury segments and for delivering a design that has American DNA, rather than trying to ape BMW or MB or Audi.

Yeah, well they usually compare it to the 5 series because of it's size, but they say it has a 3 series price.....the magazines will say the 5 series is close 2 perfect, and if u have the extra money, then go with the 5 series, but if not, then go w/ the Caddy.

Please excuse me for not properly identifying the vehicle as a Lexus Rx 400h. That is their hybrid suv model.

My next door neighbor has an '07 BMW 5 .... it is NOT 'close to perfect', as he has had it in the shop many times since he got it--car will stop running while driving (as though he turned the key off, etc.) and so far the dealership hasn't been able to isolate the problem. ANY car -- Cadillac included -- can have problems, etc.

My next door neighbor has an '07 BMW 5 .... it is NOT 'close to perfect', as he has had it in the shop many times since he got it--car will stop running while driving (as though he turned the key off, etc.) and so far the dealership hasn't been able to isolate the problem. ANY car -- Cadillac included -- can have problems, etc.

Yeah, but the magazines don't care about that. They get in the car, thrash it around the curves, and write an article. That happens to play to BMW's strength.

Observation: This 2008 and Beyond CTS Forum, as a whole, is beginning to rock. I LIKE IT!
It's becoming a distinct pleasure to visit here. Kudos to all recent contributors. Well done.
This forum is definitely destination #1 for '08 CTS enthusiasts.
:cheers:

Observation: This 2008 and Beyond CTS Forum, as a whole, is beginning to rock. I LIKE IT!
It's becoming a distinct pleasure to visit here. Kudos to all recent contributors. Well done.
This forum is definitely destination #1 for '08 CTS enthusiasts.
:cheers:

There's been quite a change in the past few weeks, hasn't there?

I've always owned foreign cars and never thought I would go domestic, but the CTS really changed how I looked at things. I've switched from several models of Mercedes and currently own a Lexus RX330 and Acura TL. I believe the CTS to be better than all the other vehicles I've owned. It has been a very pleasant surprise and I definitely love the value for the money.

The only thing is I constantly have to defend against the image of Cadillac being old and stodgy - but one look at the car and my spiel on the features, it usually convinces people otherwise.

There's been quite a change in the past few weeks, hasn't there?

You know, there has been a significant change in the past few weeks. I complained a couple of months back there was excessive negativism and such in this forum, and not long after posting that view I began to notice the beginnings of a transformation. Coincidence, or something of a kick start? Whatever. Actually, I think the CTS "praise thread" that was launched several weeks ago did wonders here.
This forum is becoming one of the best of its kind. Why? Mostly due to an an outpouring of intelligent, well-considered contributions to threads.
I've noticed a huge number of new members posting in this forum. Seems like word is getting around... that, along with more & more people becoming owners (or soon to be owners) of a new CTS!

One of the best things about the new CTS is that it has a broad appeal to people. It appeals to those who have had many vehicles etc. However, it also has a large appeal to younger buyers as well. Its aggresive styling has put it in the sights of younger people like myself who would have otherwise gotten a 3 series etc. Cadillac has finally built the car they should have been building for the past ten years. Ive noticed that Cadillac has made some honest attempts but fallen short where it counted like the recent STS, had everything but a high class interior. Now the CTS is winning converts and proving that as Americans we can build some of the finest automobiles in the world and that we are still inovators in the industry.

BamaCaddy, I agree with everything you've stated. Great post.

My next door neighbor has an '07 BMW 5 .... it is NOT 'close to perfect', as he has had it in the shop many times since he got it--car will stop running while driving (as though he turned the key off, etc.) and so far the dealership hasn't been able to isolate the problem. ANY car -- Cadillac included -- can have problems, etc.

Question....not to bash BMW, thats not my M.O, but has anyone noticed that through out the years thay have not managed to get their lighting system down right? The brake lights on any year BMW all the way to current always go out, doesnt matter if its, a 3,5,Or 7. I always find myself at a light behind one and will notice that one of the taillamps is out.

I'm having fun here.

I'm comparing the CTS against the 5 series due to size. It's an added benefit that the CTS is priced at the 3 series.

Someone mentioned that if you had the money, to go with the 5 series. My limited experience with the CTS showed me that the engine in the 5 series is superior, as well as the handling (and back seat room). The same limited experience has showed me that the CTS is superior in every other way, interior, style, ease of use.

I wish they made an 8 cylinder or the V in AWD. Who knows, I may not miss the 8 after I climb in the CTS for a while.

I didn't entertain the STS too long, it's not up to the same standards as the CTS.

Hammer, I too wish the V series was available in AWD, as I live in Erie, Pa.. but the DI engine is pretty strong and I have been pretty happy with the performance and the mpg too. I got 25.5 mpgon the first road trip with it.. Its not as fast as my summer vehicle, a Ford Lightning, but its pretty respectable, IMHO.

Dana

I'm comparing the CTS against the 5 series due to size. It's an added benefit that the CTS is priced at the 3 series.

Someone mentioned that if you had the money, to go with the 5 series. My limited experience with the CTS showed me that the engine in the 5 series is superior, as well as the handling (and back seat room). The same limited experience has showed me that the CTS is superior in every other way, interior, style, ease of use.

I wish they made an 8 cylinder or the V in AWD. Who knows, I may not miss the 8 after I climb in the CTS for a while.

I didn't entertain the STS too long, it's not up to the same standards as the CTS.

I'm having fun here.

believe me the old folks are probably quite amused by the newbies.
with increased sales and general awareness of the new model this place will get more crowded and active.
rg

... the engine in the 5 series is superior...

I look at this in a relative sense. I've owned three chevys with the same basic motor starting with a 1988 beretta gt and the original displacement 2.8L design (z51, 5spd, ac, and digital dash). put 180kmiles on it.
it's nice, and very impressive, to see what GM has done with it over the years. my daughter had a v6 intrigue that I believe also had the 60-degree chevy, that seemed to be a significant leap forward with OHC and multiple valves.
rg

You know, there has been a significant change in the past few weeks. I complained a couple of months back there was excessive negativism and such in this forum, and not long after posting that view I began to notice the beginnings of a transformation. Coincidence, or something of a kick start? Whatever. Actually, I think the CTS "praise thread" that was launched several weeks ago did wonders here.
This forum is becoming one of the best of its kind. Why? Mostly due to an an outpouring of intelligent, well-considered contributions to threads.
I've noticed a huge number of new members posting in this forum. Seems like word is getting around... that, along with more & more people becoming owners (or soon to be owners) of a new CTS!

Nah, it's all because I started posting :histeric:

Actually, I think the CTS "praise thread" that was launched several weeks ago did wonders here.

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I will say that the dealer experience was the best at BMW.

My Chevy/Cadillac dealers service was at a chevy level
The infiniti dealer was the same as the caddy dealer
Audi was in between the BMW and Caddy.

I will say that the dealer experience was the best at BMW.

My Chevy/Cadillac dealers service was at a chevy level
The infiniti dealer was the same as the caddy dealer
Audi was in between the BMW and Caddy.

Yeah, the best service here is at BMW or Lexus or Acura. MB is good, but standoffish. Infiniti does not exist. Audi just switched over to a nationwide dealer and is staffed with highschool kids. Caddy operates at the Buick/Pontiac level (same dealership)

I bought from an independent Cadillac dealer. Everything was first class. I have yet to have a service experience with this dealer.

I was treated nicely by the Infiniti guys. I could have been happy there. But the car? a G35 sedan? NYET!
The MB guys seemed tired. The 300 series is Too Small.
The Lexus people were professional, but a tad pushy andagressive. Reminded me of my Nissan Experience.
But the BMW people were very snotty (I guess I wasn't "dressed for success" that day!). And I love BMWs. As a Matter of fact I loved the 335i! But it was too small, and the interior was disappointing......
I never considered an Acura because by then I had found the CTS.
Audi hadn't come out with their new model yet....the A5?

I don't think that I would buy a Cadillac from a Chevy dealer for just the reason you stated, Hammer.
Too much money to be treated as one of the herd.
Of course, if you have no choice.........

Each dealer is different. McGinniss Cadillac is Houston is head and shoulders above any MB BMW or Land Rover/Jaguar dealer in Houston as well as Porsche dealers. My parents were so impressed with the Cadillac dealer my father is waiting to see what Caddy will do next because he promises to buy a new Caddy. He got an Escalade over several other vehicles after he replaced his Range Rover purely because of McGinniss Cadillac dealer.

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But the BMW people were very snotty (I guess I wasn't "dressed for success" that day!).
When ever I shop for a car I dress down, on purpose.

I work from home - I had to dress up to shop for a car by putting on Jeans. I guess they don't want me car shopping in my boxers!

Yeah, it should make no difference whether you buy a Caddy or a Chevy.... any car purchase is a major item, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in the real world.... I'm fortunate: my dealer, Betts Cadillac in Des Moines is outstanding for customer service; always ranked very high nationally in this regard. I've had 14 Cadillacs since 1982 from them; always has been a first class experience to deal with them.

Ronster, that Intrigue motor was actually a 6-cylinder relative to the Cadillac Northstar. What a nice car the Intrigue was!

Unfortunately, I feel there have been a lot of nice American cars that have been unfairly overlooked over the years for some pretty shallow reasons. Thankfully, we have finally tapped into the "coolness cachet" in a way that appeals on that surface level, while not entirely eliminating the underlying American feel of the cars.

Unfortunately, I feel there have been a lot of nice American cars that have been unfairly overlooked over the years for some pretty shallow reasons. Thankfully, we have finally tapped into the "coolness cachet" in a way that appeals on that surface level, while not entirely eliminating the underlying American feel of the cars.

Coolness is important, and the CTS has it in spades, but I came back to American sedans because GM has finally implemented the handling characteristics, features, and fit & finish that I like. IMHO, the 1st gen CTS and the Lincoln LS were the first step in this direction, but I wasn't in the market for a new car when they were introduced. I've mentioned this before, but kudos to Cadillac for not trying to copy BMW or MB or anyone else. That strategy seemed to work for Lexus, but I can see the American DNA in the CTS and I like it.

I stand corrected, Olds DOHC 3.5L was a Northstar derivitive. in general (as in General Motors) the continued development of OHC technology is paying off big time. there have been many knocks against GM for sticking with pushrod motors, even though the Buick based 90 degree v6 is bulletproof and quite efficient in its own right. this shows they can engineer modern solutions as well as anyone. go USA!
rg

That strategy seemed to work for Lexus, but I can see the American DNA in the CTS and I like it.

Very true, in every way the car is uniquley American. I think the most aparent part of this American take on a sports sedan is in the steering.

I switched from an Audi S4. You really can't compare the cars. Needless to say I don't drive the CTS like I did the S4 on occasion but it's a great car with it's own set of pros and cons.

From an overall value standpoint I'd give the nod to CTS.

I had a Lexus RX330 and I traded it in for a CTS. I am still not sure if I made a good decision. Actually, I like my CTS a lot but sometimes I am little disappointed.
The navigation system is good but not excellent I think the response is little bit slow and it's mumbling when it reads some street name and if I can use phone number to search the destination it will be great not just POI. I believe this is minor and can be updated later.
And, it has excellent engine but the DI system generating some noise, GM need to spend more time to isolate this issue to make it perfect car.
I really like the onStar phone system and its heavy feeling when I drive but I am sure it can beat my 255HP Nissan Maxima with CVT.
Overall, I really like my CTS

Bama - what set McGinnis above the rest? That's the nearest dealer to me in Houston. I'm a current 3 series owner & go to Momentum BMW. Overall. happy w/ them and my car. Narrowed my choice to new CTS or stay w/ BMW. Test drove at McGinnis back in Nov. and of course they were selling at MSRP. Have seen discounts if ordered. Told them I was happy for Caddy to get full list, but I wasn't going to pay that, and would patiently wait until we could work something else out. I did go look back at the service dept. and it was small and looked like it hasn't been upgraded in decades. What factors put them above the rest for your family? Is there any one person you recommend? I dealt w/ the internet mgr.

You delt with a man named Randy by and chance? Thats who we delt with he is a really nice man. If anything ask him about the Divers (our last name). The service department may look kind of old but I believe its about to get redone. One of the major things for us was when we took delivery was Mr. McGinness himself took time out to come and talk with us and chat and tahnk us. It wasnt one of those little 2 second things either he really spent time with us gave us HIS card and all and just really made us feel good about thepurchase. Also my dad ordered the car and just for grins decided to play like they had wrecked it at the dealer. When I flew in from Birmingham the ENTIRE dealer played along. They even played like they were taking me out to show me the wrecked car. However, when i walked around to it it was perfect shining like crazy with the giant bow on it. Randy is youre man at McGinnis hes a super guy. The service department may look old but its top notch. The people there are better than any place weve ever delt with including Momentum (which has always been $hity to us), Park Place Land Rover which OMG is terrible, Alex Rod MB service is almost as bad as Park Place, Advantage Porsche Audi (only had to take the 911 in once so ya but they were pretty good but nothing over the top). Really the McGinnis people have always just been top notch going out of there way for us. Tell Randy the Divers sent you.

I'm in the process of updating from an '01 IS300 and while I've been passively in the market for nearly 3 years, nothing has yet caught my eye until the 2nd gen CTS. Outside of the usual issues of being forced into various options because of others (why must I have a wood rimmed steering wheel, or back up cam - just to get everything else I want?). Then again, seems to be the case with everyone else.

Others looked at:
IS350 - back seat too small, weird styling from some views
G35 - not a fan of styling, but great drivetrain and handling
335i - best powertrain in the class, but too small - and 3series bimmers are a dime a dozen (plus, its been "Bangled")
A3 - a different class, but a cool car and fun to drive. The DSG beats the hell out of a standard auto

So far as the dealer experience, Cadillac will have a tough job measuring up to my Lexus experience. Service is about as painless as I could imagine.

is300bm...you have to make the choice that is right for you. I know allot of people who have had really good luck with Lexus etc. The truth is you can read all the reports all the surveys listen to a million stories, in the end its all up to you. My dad listened to people and bought an 04 LS Lexus and it was the worst car hes ever owned. The electrical system was so bad that over bumps it would cut in and out and the dealer couldnt fix it. The front suspension made all kinds of noise. The rear end whined. Finally the transmission went out and that was the final straw. Make the choice thats best for you.

Oh I've pretty much made up my choice - just thought my comments fit with the subject of this thread...

is300bm...you have to make the choice that is right for you. I know allot of people who have had really good luck with Lexus etc. The truth is you can read all the reports all the surveys listen to a million stories, in the end its all up to you. My dad listened to people and bought an 04 LS Lexus and it was the worst car hes ever owned. The electrical system was so bad that over bumps it would cut in and out and the dealer couldnt fix it. The front suspension made all kinds of noise. The rear end whined. Finally the transmission went out and that was the final straw. Make the choice thats best for you.

Bama - thanks for the feedback. I did visit w/ Randy and he was nice & personable. Just don't do list. Guess I've learned some patience, even though it's still hard when you want to pull the trigger on a deal. It's a great endorsement when McGinnis himself spent time with. Nice touch. Haven't had that kind of personal touch at any dealer. No complaints w/ my two Bimmers from Momentum. A Rod didn't supply you w/ any performance enhancers? At least not knowingly huh? :) I did test drive w/ Randy. My CTS will be the FE3 w/ summer PS2's.
I preferred the ride to my sport package 3. What package did your family get? What do you think about re-sale value? The one thing Randy told me that didn't turn out to be true, was he said Caddy was NOT going to put the new CTS in rental fleets to protect the brand, and thus re-sale values. Maybe they're only putting non DI cars in the fleets. Not sure if GM changed direction since we talked in Nov. or what he was thinking.
It is reassuring to hear your great experience. Has the car been as great? I'll shoot randy an email & touch base with him this business week. I'll mention you. Thanks!

Others looked at:
IS350 - back seat too small, weird styling from some views
G35 - not a fan of styling, but great drivetrain and handling
335i - best powertrain in the class, but too small - and 3series bimmers are a dime a dozen (plus, its been "Bangled")
A3 - a different class, but a cool car and fun to drive. The DSG beats the hell out of a standard auto

My thoughts exactly :thumbsup:

Traded in a MB for a 2004 SRX. Liked it so much that we traded in the Acura for the 2008 CTS. Good cars, good dealership. My handle says it all..............