: Have Headers? Brake Line Precautions



lunarx
02-19-08, 05:52 PM
For those of you with headers;

Relocate your brake lines, with a bit of bending.
Wrap with new heat protection.

As you can see, one of my lines could have burned thru.
I saved it in time though. :cool:

Clutch Hydralic line is next on the list.

dqw1
02-19-08, 06:10 PM
Thanks for the pic's. I need to get my lines inspected soon based on your photos.

thebigjimsho
02-19-08, 06:39 PM
For the benefit of header n00bs, I think we need a precaution checklist for header installs...

The Tony Show
02-19-08, 06:45 PM
So were you able to relocate them just by bending- no extra pieces required? Mine have a little more clearance than your "before" pics, but the heat wrap on them is starting to get a little crispy.

Keys8541
02-19-08, 06:54 PM
you know, im not sure of you guys have done the headers yourself, but ive had mine on without one single problem. now, thats not saying im not going to look due to this thread but im just wondering how so many people have problems with headers. are most of you guys daily drivers? and what kind of headers do you have, although i doubt that even matters?

urbanski
02-19-08, 07:09 PM
what brand? i dont think mine are that close

lunarx
02-19-08, 07:13 PM
I never had a problem either.
I think I avoided one though. :eek:
That factory heat sock masks any toasting of your brake lines.

I was reluctant to cut off the heat sock, but I am glad I did.
I would have never known what dammage was hiding underneath. :bomb:
My car has only been street driven and not even that hard (believe it or not).

All headers I have seen touch the heat sock.
Add in engine movement and brake line to header contact is possible.
Those new UUC mounts will help there. :stirpot:

I poped the lines out of their retainers to make bending easier.
I was able to put them back in their retainers after.
Now there is lots of clearance between the lines and headers. :cloud9:

If any one is interested I can email them more pics to show how the bending was done.

lunarx
02-19-08, 07:15 PM
what brand? i dont think mine are that close

Mine are Stainless Works, but I have yet to see anything much better.
I looked into changing headers but gave up on that bieng the answer.

PISNUOFF
02-19-08, 08:09 PM
I have B&B headers and an LS2. My lines aren't any where near as close as yours are.

lunarx
02-19-08, 08:57 PM
I have B&B headers and an LS2. My lines aren't any where near as close as yours are.
Got pics?
I have B&B pics, but don't want to post w/o the car owners permission.

Also, I'm not looking to bash header manufacturers.
The V engine compartment is is tight, headers are hot and precautions should be taken.
If you notice air when bleeding your rear brakes, that could be a sign these lines are getting too hot.

Funny thing is 2 shops saw my car and said not to worry.
Maybe I they were right. :hmm:

rand49er
02-20-08, 09:07 AM
I have B&B headers and an LS2. My lines aren't any where near as close as yours are.Ernie, could that 427 of yours make a difference here?

I'm gonna check mine (when this dang global warming starts taking better hold here :rolleyes:), but don't think mine is as tightly packaged as yours.

lunarx
02-20-08, 12:48 PM
I'm glad to hear most of you guys feel like this issue does not apply to you.

In the interest of product comparisons:

If someone has a header:

that does not touch that heat sock
&
no discoloration of the heat sock is taking place
&
has at least 3K miles on it since header install

Please post a pic

I also want to know which header has the best clearance.
We may as well help those who have yet to get headers. :yup:

Keys8541
02-20-08, 04:07 PM
i have kooks headers, anyone had a problem with thier kooks?. i do not have 3,000 miles on them yet, maybe 1000. i have been on 300 mile road trips though, not sure if the heat prolonged makes a difference.

rand49er
02-20-08, 05:50 PM
Got somewhere around 16k mi on my Kooks ...

BUT, it's colder than well digger's breast in a cast iron bra here and going lower tonight (zero or minus something) ... I'll look and post pic when this arctic crap goes east and closer to bigjim's neighborhood.

thebigjimsho
02-20-08, 06:07 PM
Got somewhere around 16k mi on my Kooks ...

BUT, it's colder than well digger's breast in a cast iron bra here and going lower tonight (zero or minus something) ... I'll look and post pic when this arctic crap goes east and closer to bigjim's neighborhood.Nay, often we don't get your weather. The Great Lakes and the Atlantic often affect weather patterns. Of course, we often get inclement weather you don't...

CTSV_Rob
02-20-08, 11:03 PM
I think Ernie's headers are the 1 7/8 which becuase of the diameter of the pipe will get closer. If I remember correctly Chef had a problem with the Brake lines AND the grounds on the driver's side header.

I have the B&B and I have noticed that the heat sheild touches the header and is getting a bit crispy as well. I installed my own headers and I also noticed that the grounds on the drivers side is a bit tight as well. Anything you can do to get some additional clearance to a header pipe is always a good thing.

You may not have any problems now but it could be the ticking time bomb. Don't check and you could be stranded on the side of the road.

I new about this for a while and I haven't crawled underneath the car in a while (I will probably be the boob that gets stranded!).

Good info Ernie and I will need to do this modification.

Mod Hell :devil:

Natedog
02-20-08, 11:30 PM
Wrap with heat protection
what product are you using to protect the lines? where can i purchase ? thx

lunarx
02-21-08, 03:22 AM
what product are you using to protect the lines? where can i purchase ? thx
Good question. :yup:
Of all the stuff I ordered, this seemed to work the best:

1/2" Cool Tube Extremes
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+115+324060&D=324060
Slit and slide over lines, then close up the slit by rolling one edge around the other.
(Qty 2, 1 per line)

5/8" Summit Heat Sleving
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=summit+heat+sleving&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=700+4294845355+115
Remove stitching and wrap around Cool Tube covered lines
(Qty 1 x 36")

Thermo Shield Tape http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=THE%2D14002&N=700+115&autoview=sku
To bundle the Heat Sleving
(Qty 1 x 15' Roll)

To protect wire looms, use varying sizes of above products.

I still intend to do my starter motor wire, clutch hydralic line and a few other cable harness bundles.
Naturally, that will take more product than what I listed above.

It's bit of a pain, but is easier done with the headers off (as in before bolting them on).

BBV
02-22-08, 09:30 AM
Feels like Deja vu all over again. :bomb:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2004/121654-if-you-have-headers-you-may.html

lunarx
02-22-08, 12:42 PM
Feels like Deja vu all over again. :bomb:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2004/121654-if-you-have-headers-you-may.html
Yes, that alternator wire is getting wrapped next. :yup:
I already changed one of my plastic clamps to a metal clamp (as the plastic clamp came loose already).

It is BBV's and Chef's threads that got me concerned about heat protection.

BBV's solution of also wraping the headers, is probably one of the best.
Even if the headers eventually need replacing after a few years, it's better than burning up brake/clutch/fuel lines and electrical harnesses.

9t8z28
09-10-11, 02:01 PM
Ahh, I have the same issue. Just noticed it last night. Did you have to replocate anything or just bend them away from the header?

Is there an issue with the clutch hydraulic line and the headers?

lunarx
09-10-11, 04:05 PM
I put heat sleeve on my clutch line. No reason to take chances with overheating the fluid.
The quick disconnect makes it easy to install the heat sleeve.

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Skidmarcx
09-15-11, 03:42 PM
I've got Kooks 1 7/8" and I'm problem free so far... only had em for about 3 months, but I inspect everything periodically. I wrapped anything remotely close with fire tape even the stock shielding got some tape and I also wrapped the headers with DEI titanium for extra protection to the surrounding components... I don't have steering shaft interference either... it's very f'n close, but doesn't rub