:worship::worship:

Hey all check out what was photographed :yup:
My favorite angles on this car too. Still imagining 500+ hp under that bonnet. Drooool.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/cadillac-images/cadillac-ctc.jpg



I hope the black wheels will be a factory option.

Nice. I hope by the time these things roll into production, they have figured out how to tighten that gap between the front edge of the hood and the nose-piece. Every head-on shot out there displays this enormous gap, and in everyone it is particularly worse on the left side. Looks like ass.

nice.


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I wish they would put some snow tires on it and bring it to Cleveland for some...um....winter testing so it can be caught in the wild here. :D

Man that is a great shot, so hot...

Mental note: Wax V this weekend. :)

Where. looks like fl somewhere?

There were more pics and a link for the source but the mods removed them I guess. Ah well.

Love the remaining pic anyway!

Nice. I hope by the time these things roll into production, they have figured out how to tighten that gap between the front edge of the hood and the nose-piece. Every head-on shot out there displays this enormous gap, and in everyone it is particularly worse on the left side. Looks like ass.

:suspect: Yeah... you are right. Looks like ass. I changed my mind. I ain't gettin' one.


:D

:suspect: Yeah... you are right. Looks like ass. I changed my mind. I ain't gettin' one.


:D
It may not be a deal breaker for everyone, but in this price range, the little things count. For example, I brought a friend to a the local Cadillac dealership to look at the new CTS today. I'm trying to get him away from Mercedes. He likes the car, and it probably won't be a deal breaker, but he noted cheap plastic - and even more astonishing (to me), he said the inside of the glove compartment seemed cheap.

Crazy? Maybe. But ya know what? People tend to look at these things. Again, it's not a likely deal breaker - but the little things don't necessarily go unnoticed.. You just cannot expect them to..

Inside the glove compartment? Now that you mention it, the wheel well material looks to be some kind of plastic too! And the railing that the front seat ride on is just black metal and not carbon fiber. And don't even get me started on the welds under the truck matting. Once you disassemble the entire truck, it's embarrassing how sloppy the welds are!

BTW - What are these black wheels you speak of!? Pix?

If your looking for flaws, you don't have to look very far.

This goes right along side looking for an excuse not to do something.

Nice. I hope by the time these things roll into production, they have figured out how to tighten that gap between the front edge of the hood and the nose-piece. Every head-on shot out there displays this enormous gap, and in everyone it is particularly worse on the left side. Looks like ass.


Good bodyshop could fix that.... I do agree come on at least get the gap even. This is no way a deal breaker for me though. The only thing standing in my way is if its over 70k, thats it. This car looks awesome wish I would of seen the other pics......

All they need to do is make the bulge in the hood a little deeper so it will close over the beefy strut cross brace.

Good bodyshop could fix that.... I do agree come on at least get the gap even. This is no way a deal breaker for me though. The only thing standing in my way is if its over 70k, thats it. This car looks awesome wish I would of seen the other pics......

Agreed, at least get them even. Like it or not a vehicle at that level MUST be able to withstand a great deal of detail scrutiny. Remember the Lexus commercial with the ball bearing rolling around the panel gaps? I know I notice that kind of thing when I look at cars, especially ones THAT expensive.

Scottsdale, Arizona, Pavillions Auto Show. That should let you find the photos.

I stared at that car for a long time in Detroit. Didn't notice that gap, or a difference in gap size.

Most of you (not all) are missing my point. This wouldn't be a deal breaker for me either. However, this is a $70K car, is it to much to ask for body panels to line up? When you have the time, swing into a Hyundai dealer and take a look at the panel gaps on their cars. No sloppiness there.

The latest cover of Car and Driver; big ol' head-on shot of the CTS-V taking up the entire page (a different car from the one pictured in this thread) with a big uneven gap in the same location as this one. No excuse for that.

Bowen, I agree with you.

They need to fix this before production.

We might be able to excuse them because this is a pre-production unit having at least the purpose of sorting out these types of issues. The fact that they were not willing or able to correct this before showing this to the public is a clear mistake imho.

The latest cover of Car and Driver; big ol' head-on shot of the CTS-V taking up the entire page (a different car from the one pictured in this thread) with a big uneven gap in the same location as this one. No excuse for that.

I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out! I'll always look for that on those cars now! Hopefully by the time they get them into full production mode they have little stuff like that taken care of! I can't believe they'd show this car off looking like that though!

This one in MT looks better...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0803_2009_cadillac_cts_v/photo_08.html

This used to be one of my jobs years ago. I did quality control for a coachbuilder. I was the one that made sure the panel gaps were even, stitching in the seats lined-up properly, etc, etc. I also used to take Cadillac engineers and company execs around to cars at shows and point out things to them that needed to be addressed. To some it seems picky but to many, those details mean the difference between a "mass-produced" item, and a "finely hand-crafted" item.
IMO, true quality shows in the details.

This one in MT looks better...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0803_2009_cadillac_cts_v/photo_08.html

Pictures tell but a tiny part of the story, especially when talking about fit/finish.

There is also the obvious explanation that the hood may simply not be closed all the way. There is a high likelihood that folks have been opening and shutting the hood and it might not have been latched completely the last time.

I would not worry about it.

Pictures tell but a tiny part of the story, especially when talking about fit/finish.

Good enough when you want to criticize it though, eh? :halo:

The amount of gap the hood has under the leading edge is one of the easiest panel gaps to adjust (and one of the easiest to throw out of alignment). A quarter turn to each bump stop and it would look perfect. The rest of the gaps look great, so I wouldn't sweat it.

At 185 MPH the air press closes the gap.:)

Good enough when you want to criticize it though, eh? :halo:

The amount of gap the hood has under the leading edge is one of the easiest panel gaps to adjust (and one of the easiest to throw out of alignment). A quarter turn to each bump stop and it would look perfect. The rest of the gaps look great, so I wouldn't sweat it.

Yeah, if you don't mind throwing off the hood to fender alignment. Actually, simply adjusting a "bump stop" doesn't accomplish anything unless the entire hood is high or low, not only in relation to the front facia, grille, and/or surrounding trim, but the fenders as well. If the hood is in proper alignment with the fenders, adjusting the "bump stop" will only throw off fender to hood alignment. If, as I said, fender to hood alignment is good, leave the "bump stops" alone and move the other surrounding trim, grille or facia if possible.
As you can see, there's obviously more to it than twisting a "bump stop".
And actually, my point was that it's VERY easy to hide a multitude of sins in a picture. I'm very sure that seeing the car in person will reveal much great detail.

Preproduction. The normal GM rule these days is the new vehicle has to have initial quality equal to or better than the obe it is replacing before it is released to the public. I'm not worried that the gaps will be anything but small and even.

The gap is easy to explain - she simply left her wrench on top of the engine bay before closing the hood.:yup:

Preproduction. The normal GM rule these days is the new vehicle has to have initial quality equal to or better than the obe it is replacing before it is released to the public. I'm not worried that the gaps will be anything but small and even.

I'm sure you're right, chances are the gaps etc. seen on these show cars are NOT indicative of what the actual production cars will have. But IMO, a car like this (meaning ANY pre-production show car) is typically subjected to a far greater level of scrutiny than the production cars will tend to get. For that reason alone, I've always felt that they should be EXTRA clean. You never get another "first impression", right?
When I went to see a pre-production reveals, I usually took a note book and really went over the car. Then I usually met with the platform team, product manager etc. and discussed my findings. I did this many times on many cars over several years. IMO, you could always tell a great deal about the commitment of a team by not only how they presented the car, but also by how they paid attention to my input afterwards. Yeah, sometimes there's the issue that's beyond their control that kept the car from being able to be presented as the team wanted, and that was also very telling in and of itself. But, this car wasn't rushed into production. It's had plenty of time to get the bugs worked out. And to be honest, this years offerings at the Detroit show, more so than any other year I can remember, show just how bad the OEMs want to get their cars out there. I can't remember ever seeing so many reveals of cars that were so ready for the showroom.
Again, as I've said before, in this market, you REALLY need to bring your "A" game, or you're in trouble.

Looks like a cross dresser...confused...



btw - those chicks are hot.

BTW - What are these black wheels you speak of!? Pix?

Here you go:

http://desert-motors.com/cpg/albums/tempphotos/pavs-2008-01-26/normal_IMG_5295.jpg


More pics are here too:

http://boards.ign.com/cars_lobby/b5126/157972526/p1/?25


I post over on that site too, the one guy took the pics.

Not feeling those black wheels.

Not feeling those black wheels.


I agree. Something about the black makes them (wheels) look really small. It makes the already huge ass end of this car look even bigger. I am counting on liking this car more in person. I will see in Chicago...

And I usually like black wheels on silver. I have black wheels with a polished lip on my C6.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb251/wrazor1/100_1035.jpg

Black wheels are fine on certain cars. And certainly, black wheels that aren't ALL black are a lot easier on the eyes in my book too (like the ones on your 'Vette). It's just that all black wheels seem to disappear between the tires and wheel-wells. And they can simply look like regular wheels that are just REAL dirty. Years ago, I had a black Firebird Formula WS6 with the black BBS-style wheels with the polished rim. Sharp-looking IMO.

Not feeling those black wheels.


But you like the rear bumper? :hmm: :duck:

But you like the rear bumper? :hmm: :duck:

SERIOUSLY not feeling that! ;)

Damn this looks good, I would rather have this than an AMG/M tho they are perhaps way better.

Me likey the black wheels, but I may be a lil bias.


And as someone else suggested about the hood gap in the first photo, I don't think the hood is latched all the way down.