: Roadtrip! Georgia to Tennessee.....



Night Wolf
01-27-08, 10:33 PM
In a 1989 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham...... one way.

a CRJ 700 and Ford Econoline for the return trip.

Yup, thats right... Caddy has a new homw now. With buying the house and the Isuzu needing an engine rebuild/replacement, I've just have too much going on to deal with 3 cars right now, nor do I have the time and money to put into it or the space to store it either.

Ever since I got the car, Ben has liked it, and I told him one time that if I was to sell it, he would be the first person I would offer it to. So when the time came, I pretty much made him an offer I knew he wouldn't pass up, and sent it on to a loving home :)

The trip was about 6hrs/360 miles. Did the whole thing yesterday. I offered to drive it to his house, I then flew back to Atlanta and took the bus back home where my parents picked me up in town since they are visiting.

The drive went real well and the Caddy did fine, with the exception of when I stopped about 30mins out for [more] gas, I noticed it was dripping coolant. I recently changed the radiator hoses, t-stat and flushed/refilled the coolant, but I think it was coming from the waterpump weep hole. It didn't overheat nor run low on coolant, so I boght more, topped it off and kept on truckin', keeping an eye on the coolant situation though.

Because of the plan to do this all in one day, and arriving a litte late (cell phone was an hour early for some reason that morning) I only had time to drop the car off, grab a quick bite to eat, and check out the cars quickly. I must have been at the house right around an hour in total. The '89 fit right in with the '90 (or '91?) 5.7 Brougham, then Denise, the '79 Coupe DeVille and of course the prized '79 Phaeton. All amazing cars, and the '79's really brought back memories... you'd never believe the Phaeton has 217k miles on it!

So I have some pictures.... Once I got North of Atlanta, I stopped at a Mickey D's for somethingy nasty to eat and $3 wi-fi because I forgot to get directions before hand. At that time I failed to take my camera in to take pictures as I was eating my food to document the trip, and it all kinda fell apart, just a couple pictures here and there and that was it.

None the less, it was alot of fun, North GA/TN has some really nice mountains. It was my first time driving into TN, my first time going anywhere North of Atlanta too.

This here was the route... pretty nice.

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&ct=NA&rsres=1&1ffi=&1l=&1g=&1pl=&1v=&1n=&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&1pn=&1a=&1c=Byron&1s=GA&1z=&2pn=&2a=&2c=Morristown&2s=TN&2z=&r=f

So, I am now Cadillacless.... I'll return one day... who knows what it'll be, maybe a classic convertible or something. But right now, a project car is defintily not something I want to be dealing with, once the Isuzu gets going I'll be really happy, that is getting to me now too because I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. Until then, the Town Car has been a great daily driver, I've really grown to like it, more then I ever have... its just a great car to live with, drive to work, the store etc... I'm glad I'm getting to use it alot now.

Once the pictures load up I'll post them :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-27-08, 10:39 PM
Ever since I got the car, Ben has liked it, and I told him one time that if I was to sell it, he would be the first person I would offer it to. So when the time came, I pretty much made him an offer I knew he wouldn't pass up, and sent it on to a loving home :)

What was that? "Buy my car or you'll sleep with the fishes."? Hahaha, j/k Rick!




So, I am now Cadillacless.... I'll return one day... who knows what it'll be, maybe a classic convertible or something.

Same here man, same here...



Rick, Ben told me about this last week via Myspace, and I was so excited to hear about it...two legends of the RWD D Body section meeting up and "exchanging" Cadillacs...very cool! Can't wait to see the pictures!

Night Wolf
01-27-08, 11:02 PM
Like I said, my pictures started to drop off.... and it would have been nice to spend more time there and check out the cars more, so I really didn't have time to get many pictures of the cars.

I left here around 5:45AM. This was the first and last time the Caddy was ever at my new house. I've always been around this car since 1998, it really didn't bother me, until I was ready to go and getting a last look at it.... it is definitly one of the most unique 80's Broughams I've ever seen, she stands out.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08005.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08004.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08007.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08009.jpg

before I got on 75, stopping in town to fill up....

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08011.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08012.jpg

That wasn't even half a tank! I had to stop later in the trip for gas again too.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08014.jpg

approaching Atlanta:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08018.jpg

mountains of Northern GA.... I haven't seen views like this since upstate NY.... looks strangely similar.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08022.jpg

got the music going and it's a brisk 36*...good to go.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08023.jpg

driving view of the interior.... what an interactive dash to stare at!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08030.jpg

More neat mountain-ey things.... this area isn't too bad... 4hrs South I'm at the beach (Gulf or Atlantic) and 4hrs North I'm in the mountains.... perfect for a weekend getaway either way!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08032.jpg

Night Wolf
01-27-08, 11:17 PM
Entering TN and the skies getting blue...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08036.jpg

and the gas gauge sitting at E, not even moving back and fourth... kept wanting to stop and get gas but there was construction and things were blocked off, eith the concrete dividers it was barely big enough for 2 lanes.. I just kept thinking... this has got to be the worst place to run out of gas.... not to mention the first time I've ever ran out of gas... but she pulled thru for me! Got it to a gas station to get more gas.... in exchange for some coolant :( She made the trip well tho.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08037.jpg

Passing the Knoxville airport, that we then had to drive back to for me to fly out of.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08038.jpg

the Caddy and her new owner :)

That was a house full of classic Caddy's tho... man I've never seen so many in nice shape) in somebodies driveway.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08039.jpg

the '89 Fleetwood Brougham and '79 Phaeton.... so similar, yet so different.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08040.jpg

I went for a quick ride around the block in this car... WOW it's a really nice car! It brought back lots of memories of my '79 too... it's weird all the little details that are different between the '79 and '89.... makes them feel very unique in their own ways.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08041.jpg

Denise is the '79 Coupe DeVille currently getting fixed up.... I was surprised to see how well the origanal red paint cleaned up... not bad at all!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08042.jpg

Then the '90 ('91?) I kept getting it mixed up... 5.7 and moonroof, nice combo. He's now got 1 of each of the 3 main generations of these cars, '77-'79, '80-'89 and '90-'92.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08043.jpg

All of them very nice cars, quite the collection!

and finally.... the old owner, the new owner, the '89 and '79 nose to nose.... it was a great day..... just stinks I had to leave just as fast as I arrived... one day we'll set up a meet or something though.

I am excited to see the progress of the car though, I know she'll get fixed up nice :)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Brougham/1-26-08/1-27-08045.jpg

77CDV
01-27-08, 11:19 PM
Gas at $2.86/gal? I hate you!

BTW, what's with the "check engine" light?

77CDV
01-27-08, 11:22 PM
And when did Ben get married?!?

Night Wolf
01-27-08, 11:32 PM
Gas at $2.86/gal? I hate you!

BTW, what's with the "check engine" light?

it's starting to go back down again too.

lol, that check engine light has been on since we've had the car.... said it was TPS, but that's been replaced. Probably also cause the speedo dosn't work, the speed sensor isn't getting a signal or something... I dunno, it's just one of the little quirks of the car that needs to be addressed within time.

77CDV
01-27-08, 11:35 PM
it's starting to go back down again too.


It's still well north of $3/gal out here and shows no signs of abating. Interesting how it goes up so quick when oil prices rise, but when they fall, it takes forever for the pump price to go down, if it ever does.

93DevilleUSMC
01-27-08, 11:37 PM
Did you stay on I-17 the whole trip up?

My_favorite_Brougham
01-27-08, 11:59 PM
It's the post-Christmas lull, so less demand for oil. Thus prices go down. That means when it's expensive, it COULD be alot cheaper. But when you really think about it, $400,000,000 simply wont do for a regular pension. I mean do you really expect the guy to survive on just two Rolls Royces? NO, he's gotta have fourteen. And c'mon, 30-thousand square feet just isn't enough for a man to have his "space" - that's why he needs five of those estates, plus a fleet of jets to get him there. But don't worry, he gets free gas for that! 'Cause you KNOW he needs every last penny of that half-bil for charity and church.......

Basically, one forth of the problem is far-east oil control. Three-quarters is oil companies maximizing profits. So if you want a slice of the pie, go buy some Exxon-mobile stock! Oh wait, gas just went up a buck, I cant! :mad:

My_favorite_Brougham
01-28-08, 12:06 AM
And Night, glad to hear you had a safe comfortable trip. It was a good last-trip to have with her, and you know she will be in fine hands. Hope you get another Cadillac sometime soon. We don't want you to fall off the face of the Earth, from the forums anyway.

And Ben, make us proud. Show us your magic!

Benzilla
01-28-08, 12:59 AM
haha, I didn't realise how out of it I was that day until I see the pics here. I had wind burn and was apparently too tired to smile correctly, lol. I acutally got my license suspended the night before... crazy night.

Anyway, yeah. Great day, Rick and I could talk for days about Caddies, we gotta meet up again when there's more time... And he can bring the trim piece he forgot, haha. Today I went out while it was still in the upper 30s and washed all the trip dirt off. Didn't get to the interior, but I just had to get the rims & paint shined up. It's a cool car, and it's kinda strange having it in my driveway, but I'll enjoy picking up where Rick left off.

Here's another pic of the Phaeton & the Brougham nose to nose. After I got back from the airport.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Cadillac_guy/100_0798copy.jpg

How the Brougham looks right now, after a quick wash & awaiting better parking arrangements.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Cadillac_guy/100_0799.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Cadillac_guy/100_0803.jpg

So Rick, don't be a stranger, alright? Gimme a call when things calm down a bit.

Ben.

eldorado99
01-28-08, 02:03 AM
Haha! I knew it, I was right! Well Night Wolf you couldn't have chosen a better home for it. I know Ben will take great care of it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-28-08, 10:55 AM
Coolness! :cool2:

Tennessee looks very hilly.

My_favorite_Brougham
01-28-08, 11:25 AM
So what's her name gonna be? btw, what are all the names? All I know is Denise...

Night Wolf
01-28-08, 12:16 PM
Wow, it did clean up nice.... wheels/tires look good, and do I see a little bit of the grille shining?

Anyway.... yeah, we gotta meet up sometime for the other parts of the cars... I just remembered I have the instrument cluster from my '79 that I was going to give to you too, a spare or something.

Also, Rich said he replaced the waterpump on that car once or twice before.... so it's not origanal like I thought. I'm not sure where it was leaking coolant tho, could still be the waterpump. I replaced every hose I could get for it at the parts store, but there were still a few that I wasn't able to get that looked pretty worn, maybe it was one of those, I'm just not sure where to get them.

I'm glad it went to someone who is going to pick up where I left off, You'll have to make a new progress thread about it :) Or take over my old one... tho there was alot of regular talking going on in it.

Jesda
01-28-08, 12:59 PM
You always take the best pics. Those are some fine looking cars.

Its funny, I think I know TN and GA better than I know MO and IL because of my numerous trips to Florida.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-28-08, 01:08 PM
Man, it's times like this I really wish my '92 went to someone on the site. Jesda almost bought it, but he pussied out at the last minute and bought a '92 STS, which in turn sold a few weeks later. :p

I told you Jesda, you should have bought it....you'd still have it if you got it. :D

Night Wolf
01-28-08, 04:56 PM
You always take the best pics. Those are some fine looking cars.

Its funny, I think I know TN and GA better than I know MO and IL because of my numerous trips to Florida.

Yeah, and next time you pass on the interstate, no more then 5mins away, you better stop and we'll grab something to eat!

Benzilla
01-28-08, 06:51 PM
Wow, it did clean up nice.... wheels/tires look good, and do I see a little bit of the grille shining?

Anyway.... yeah, we gotta meet up sometime for the other parts of the cars... I just remembered I have the instrument cluster from my '79 that I was going to give to you too, a spare or something.

Also, Rich said he replaced the waterpump on that car once or twice before.... so it's not origanal like I thought. I'm not sure where it was leaking coolant tho, could still be the waterpump. I replaced every hose I could get for it at the parts store, but there were still a few that I wasn't able to get that looked pretty worn, maybe it was one of those, I'm just not sure where to get them.

I'm glad it went to someone who is going to pick up where I left off, You'll have to make a new progress thread about it :) Or take over my old one... tho there was alot of regular talking going on in it.


Yeah, I tried 'Silvo' on the Chrome surround of the grille, and it put a little more shine on it, but then I tried it on a small area of the gold and it didn't do it any good. I was going to get the wire wheels cleaned up today, but I didn't get time. All I did today was sweep it out. Once it's clean, I think it's a nice looking car. For having that many miles on it, I think it held up great.

Well, I guess this should be going in the project thread, but this is just another pic I snapped today. Right after I get a car, I have a way of obsessively photographing it..

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Cadillac_guy/100_0812copy.jpg

So until spring it's all about working around the weather, today it was gorgeous and 65, tomorrow it will be in the 40's and rainy. So progress will be stop and go, but I'll definitly keep you posted. :)

Ben.

Night Wolf
01-28-08, 10:03 PM
it's weird, from certain angles, the car looks nearly mint. Thats why I tried to be as honest and truthful about the condition of the car and work it needs, because. Once you see it in person and up close is when the little things start to jump out at you, but I guess that holds true for any car, or just about anything.... it's all how somebody describes something. I told you about that BMW that was a complete rats nest, and a guy at work is selling a Cherokee, says all the good things about it, he drives it into work (I wasn't interested in it, but just drove it in) and I notice the wheel well flares gone and other trim missing, dents etc.... his response was "well you didin't ask about the trim" it's like WTF am I supposed to go thru a list of every slight thing on a car to see if its there, in good shape or working? Sadly thats how alot of people sell a car "runs good, looks nice" could mean anything from a new car to something getting ready to be crushed.

I like to see pictures of it, makes me smile :) I'll be happy to see the progress of it too.

I just found more '79 parts, I've got all 4 origanal factory floor mats for my '79, the driver one, the carpet part is tore a bit, I know it's a different color then your car..... actuallly.... no, I think Denise is the same if not similar carpet color? Either way I was going to give them to you, but I forgot about them then found them while moving stuff today....

man, we'll have to set a time to meet up in a couple months, you're going to get another trunkful of parts on top of everything you already have for them. It'll be cool to meet up again, have more time to talk and stuff.

Benzilla
01-28-08, 11:47 PM
Yeah, I took it out for a spin, and looking back at it in the parking lot I was impressed by how nice it actually looked. Like you said, from around 20 feet it looks damn near perfect! Once I dye the roof, it'll really improve it more. Then the paint and emblems of course. But sad as it is, the grille brings the front down. You already know, but in full sun it really shows the age. Yet... I've only known the car for a couple days... and now I don't want to take the grille off, lol. It just seems like a part of it. I'll probably look into rechroming, maybe find a standard one in nice shape to put on until it gets redone. It's odd because when my Phaeton had one, I couldn't wait to get it off.

I think Denice's interior is more of a carmine red, while your '79 was more redwood. But I'll still take that mats if you don't want them, it's like with the gold parts I had bought for the '83 then ended up needing for the '89, you never know when something will come in handy later.

Next time I'll come down to GA, make things even haha. Besides, you saw the Phaeton, now I want to see the Town Car. :D I'm always up for a nice roadtrip, and it would be a great way to bond with the Brougham. You never really know a car until you've spent hours-on-end on the open road with it.

Hey, right now that episode of Top gear with the Brougham is on BBCAM. Cool.

Ben.

77CDV
01-29-08, 01:12 AM
Right after I get a car, I have a way of obsessively photographing it..


It's not obsession if you're good at it.:) And I still want to know when you got married.

Night Wolf
01-29-08, 11:17 AM
Awesome! I know what you mean about the grille.... even when I was gonna swap the '87 grille in just to make the front end look a little better (since that grille is worn) I felt bad cause that grille is just part of that car.

BigJon
01-29-08, 04:17 PM
very hilly... state...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-29-08, 08:35 PM
So Ben, how's the 307 compare to the 350 and 425 you're accustomed to?

Benzilla
01-29-08, 10:29 PM
It's not obsession if you're good at it.:) And I still want to know when you got married.
Let's not rush into things! lol. It's actually just a ring that my grandfather wore, and since it's so old I don't want to have it sized, but it won't fit on my other ring finger anymore since I broke it. So that's where it goes. No wifey yet.. or even a gf at this point. I'm free!

So Ben, how's the 307 compare to the 350 and 425 you're accustomed to?
It's actually not that bad. I haven't fully opened it up yet, and it has a big exhaust leak right now which makes it sound like I'm flogging the thing whenever I touch the gas. But it handles the hills fine, I do believe it's *slightly* faster than the HT4100 in my '83, but slower than my 350/425s. I'll know more after I drive it farther. I do love it though, this one is a keeper.

Ben.

Night Wolf
01-30-08, 06:11 AM
It's actually not that bad. I haven't fully opened it up yet, and it has a big exhaust leak right now which makes it sound like I'm flogging the thing whenever I touch the gas. But it handles the hills fine, I do believe it's *slightly* faster than the HT4100 in my '83, but slower than my 350/425s. I'll know more after I drive it farther. I do love it though, this one is a keeper.

Ben.

Yey!

As for performance, it's pretty much stock, I'm sure it's lost some power over the years, and I doubt that open element filter did much for power. I will say though, the secondaries on the 307 are limited to only open about 60% from the factory, dunno why they did that, there was just a little metal finger that prevented them from opening 100%, it's on the passenger side of the carb. I bent that back so the secondaries will now open 100% (once warmed up) That did free up a tad of power.

These cars have 2.56 rear end, tho it has the 4spd tranny. Despite a 5.0L, the Oldsmobile engines were still designed with torque as the main factor, like the big block Cad's, the Olds are torque pigs. The 307 is 140 galloping ponies but 255ft-lbs. The performance, IMO was pretty liveable, and a properly tuned 307 "should" return 16/24mpg. nce you open the secondaries you'll get more power.... but you'll also be pouring gas down that carburator like no tomorrow.

I too am looking forawrd to a comparison of the performance tho... it's been a long time since I had my '79. That car had an exhaust leak too (driver side exhaust manifold like most get) so naturally a louder engine makes it seem faster. I know my 425 was quicker, especially when I did some tweaks, but its hard to say how much faster.

I like hearing all the little updates on the car tho! :)