jpj64
01-25-08, 11:14 PM
I purchased a used FSM for an 88 Eldorado off eBay today and I was wondering if it has some bad pages does anyone have an idea where I could get replacement pages .PDF?
Thanks in advance
Johnny
Thanks in advance
Johnny
| View Full Version : FSM is in the mail have general question. jpj64 01-25-08, 11:14 PM I purchased a used FSM for an 88 Eldorado off eBay today and I was wondering if it has some bad pages does anyone have an idea where I could get replacement pages .PDF? Thanks in advance Johnny chubbyranger 01-26-08, 06:38 AM Generally, no. Otherwise we'd never buy the paper versions. I think you can subsribe to Alldata and get a lot of the information in FSM but I don't know if it has the step-by-step diagnostic procedures. submariner409 01-26-08, 09:17 AM AJ or eWill3 would know if the in-shop versions of the manuals/parts lists are paper or CD. Back in the Dark Ages they were on microfiche. If they are on CD, you might be able to come up with a way to replace a few pages. racecardude310 01-26-08, 09:48 AM Back in the Dark Ages they were on microfiche. you are very old :yup: submariner409 01-26-08, 10:00 AM :D Perhaps, but I was screeching around Watkins Glen or Lime Rock in either a Jag XK 120 or an Austin Healey 100-4 28 years before you were born. Another galaxy far, far away.......and a much easier time for a young wrench-twister. And, in some small way, you get the benefit of my (and others') triumphs and mistakes. greg-sls 01-26-08, 10:30 AM Getting back to FSMs...didn't we (members here) used to have access to an online version in a "sticky" some months ago? I was sure I browsed thru it and thought how cool is this. Yes, it required a password - but I'm thinking the host site must have caught on and nixed it. Anyway, does anyone know if the FSM for a 97 SLS is available on CD? Like jpj64 says, any hard-copy versions on eBay or wherever could have crucial missing pages. jpj64 01-26-08, 11:09 AM This is what is coming; I don’t know if it’s a complete set? ewill3rd 01-26-08, 12:52 PM "Bad" pages are replaced by what we call "SMU" or service manual updates. In those days they were issued on paper and we were supposed to put them in a book and know they existed. It is possible that the changes went to the printer for future print jobs, but I don't know. I only show 2 SMUs in the modern computerized version of the bulletins for that year. There is no factory manual information for years that far back, only bulletins. SMU - SECTION 0 - GENERAL INFORMATION #57-02-01 - (Mar 1, 1995) SUBJECT: SERVICE MANUAL UPDATE - SECTION 0 - GENERAL INFORMATION - DEXRON(R) III TRANSMISSION FLUID INTRODUCTION MODELS: 1995 AND PRIOR PASSENGER CARS AND TRUCKS GENERAL MOTORS HAS PHASED IN A NEW AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID, DEXRON(R) III, THAT DOES NOT NEED REPLACING UNDER NORMAL SERVICE. DEXRON(R) III IS DESIGNED TO HELP THE TRANSMISSION DELIVER THE BEST POSSIBLE PERFORMANCE UNDER ALL CONDITIONS. THE IMPROVEMENTS IN DEXRON(R) III INCLUDE BETTER FRICTION STABILITY, MORE HIGH TEMPERATURE OXIDATION STABILITY AND BETTER MATERIAL COMPATIBILITY. DEXRON(R) III HAS THE SAME LOW TEMPERATURE FLUIDITY AS DEXRON(R) IIE, FOR BETTER TRANSMISSION PERFORMANCE IN COLD WEATHER. DEXRON(R) IIE AND III ARE FULLY COMPATIBLE. DEXRON(R) III IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH ANY GENERAL MOTORS PASSENGER VEHICLE OR LIGHT TRUCK WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION AND BUILT SINCE 1949. DEALERS SHOULD REQUIRE THEIR SUPPLIER TO INCLUDE THE DEXRON(R) III LICENSE NUMBER ON ALL AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID INVOICES. STARTING FEBRUARY 1, 1994 DEXRON(R) III WAS PHASED INTO ALL NORTH AMERICAN ASSEMBLY PLANTS. DEXRON(R) III FLUID IS AVAILABLE FROM GMSPO (SEE FLUID NUMBERS BELOW): U.S. IN CANADA 1 QUART - 12346143 1 LITER - 10952622 1 GALLON - 12346144 4 LITER - 10952623 55 GALLON - 12346145 200 LITER - 10952624 THE 1995 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION/TRANSAXLE FLUID CHANGE INTERVALS WILL BE THE FOLLOWING: (1994 AND PRIOR SHOULD USE THE SCHEDULES AS WRITTEN IN THE OWNER'S MANUAL.) IF THE VEHICLE IS MAINLY DRIVEN UNDER ONE OR MORE OF THESE CONDITIONS: IN HEAVY CITY TRAFFIC WHERE THE OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE REGULARLY REACHES 90 DEGREES F (32 C) OR HIGHER. IN HILLY OR MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN. WHEN DOING FREQUENT TRAILER TOWING. USES SUCH AS FOUND IN TAXI, POLICE CAR OR DELIVERY SERVICE. FOR VEHICLES OVER 8,600 GVWR, CHANGE THE FLUID AND FILTER EVERY 50,000 MILES (83,000 KM). IF THE VEHICLE IS NOT USED MAINLY UNDER ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS, THE FLUID AND FILTER DO NOT REQUIRE PERIODIC CHANGING FOR VEHICLES UNDER 8,600 GVWR. VEHICLES OVER 8,600 GVWR CHANGE THE FLUID AND FILTER EVERY 50,000 MILES (83,000 KM) REGARDLESS OF DRIVING CONDITIONS. FIGURES: 1 ATTACHMENTS: 0 Figure 1 GENERAL MOTORS BULLETINS ARE INTENDED FOR USE BY PROFESSIONAL TECHNICIANS, NOT A "DO-IT-YOURSELFER." THEY ARE WRITTEN TO INFORM THOSE TECHNICIANS OF CONDITIONS OCCURRING ON SOME VEHICLES, OR TO PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT COULD ASSIST IN THE PROPER SERVICE OF A VEHICLE. PROPERLY TRAINED TECHNICIANS HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, TOOLS, SAFETY INSTRUCTIONS AND KNOW-HOW TO DO A JOB PROPERLY AND SAFELY. IF A CONDITION IS DESRIBED, DO NOT ASSUME THE BULLETIN APPLIES TO YOUR VEHICLE, OR THAT YOUR VEHICLE WILL HAVE THAT CONDITION. SEE A GENERAL MOTORS DEALER SERVICING YOUR BRAND OF GENERAL MOTORS VEHICLE FOR INFORMATION ON WHETHER YOUR VEHICLE MAY BENEFIT FROM THE INFORMATION. SMU - INFO. ON INSPECTION/ MAINTENANCE (I/M) EMISSIONS #51-65-02 - (Feb 3, 1995) THIS BULLETIN IS BEING REVISED TO INFORM "GM OF CANADA" AND "NAES" DEALERS THAT THEY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO UTILIZE THIS SERVICE BULLETIN ************************************************** ******************* "GM OF CANADA" AND "NAES" DEALERS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO UTILIZE THIS SERVICE BULLETIN. ************************************************** ******************* SUBJECT: INFORMATION ON INSPECTION/MAINTENANCE (I/M) EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTIC MANUAL - MANUAL NUMBER GM/95-IM240-2 MODEL: 1995 AND PRIOR PASSENGER CARS AND TRUCKS **GENERAL INFORMATION** THE ENHANCED INSPECTION/MAINTENANCE (I/M) PROGRAM IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN IN DESIGNATED AREAS OF THE COUNTRY IN JANUARY 1995. REFER TO GM SERVICE BULLETIN 43-65-07, DATED DECEMBER 1994, FOR A LIST OF STATES PARTICIPATING IN THIS NEW EMISSIONS TESTING PROGRAM. ALSO REFER TO GM SERVICE BULLETIN 43-65-05, DATED APRIL 1994, FOR INFORMATION ON THIS EMISSIONS TESTING PROGRAM AND A DESCRIPTION OF THE I/M 240 LOADED MODE TEST. **INSPECTION/MAINTENANCE (I/M) EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTICS** COPIES OF THE INSPECTION/MAINTENANCE (I/M) EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTIC MANUAL WILL BE SHIPPED TO ALL DEALERSHIPS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOUR STATE IS PARTICIPATING IN THE ENHANCED I/M TESTING PROGRAM. FOR DEALERSHIPS IN AREAS PERFORMING I/M TESTING, THE SUBJECT MANUAL PROVIDES A STRATEGY BASED DIAGNOSTIC APPROACH TO REPAIRING I/M TEST FAILURES. FOR DEALERSHIPS IN AREAS NOT AFFECTED BY ENHANCED I/M TESTING, THE NEW DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURES PROVIDED IN THIS MANUAL MAY BE HELPFUL FOR DIAGNOSING THE OXYGEN SENSOR, OXIDATION AND THREE WAY CATALYTIC CONVERTER, AND EVAP SYSTEM. THE INSPECTION/MAINTENANCE (I/M) EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTIC MANUAL PROVIDES COMPLETE EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURES FOR ALL FUEL SYSTEM TYPES (BOTH OPEN AND CLOSED LOOP CARBURETOR, TBI, AND MFI). THE MANUAL ALSO PROVIDES EVAPORATIVE (EVAP) EMISSIONS SYSTEM DIAGNOSTICS FOR EVAP PRESSURE AND EVAP PURGE FLOW. THE EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURES OUTLINED IN THE INSPECTION/MAINTENANCE (I/M) EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTIC MANUAL FOLLOW THE STRATEGY BASED DIAGNOSTIC APPROACH AND INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING NEW TESTS DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE I/M PROGRAM. **OXYGEN SENSOR (O2S) TEST** THERE ARE TWO VERSIONS OF THE O2S TEST PROCEDURE FOR USE WITH THE TECH 1 SCAN TOOL; AN AUTOMATED TEST USING THE TECH 1 AND MASS STORAGE CARTRIDGE (MSC), AND A MANUAL PROCEDURE USING THE TECH 1'S SNAPSHOT FUNCTION. THE MSC VERSION OF THE O2S TEST IS SCHEDULED FOR RELEASE IN EARLY 1995. **OXIDATION AND THREE WAY CATALYTIC CONVERTER TEST** **PATENT PENDING U.S. PATENT OFFICE, SERIAL NO. 236837** THIS TEST CAN BE USED TO DIAGNOSE EXCESSIVE EMISSION FAILURES RESULTING FROM DAMAGED/POISONED OR TAMPERED OXIDATION AND THREE WAY CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. PROCEDURES FOR BOTH SINGLE AND DUAL CONVERTER SYSTEMS ARE INCLUDED. THIS TEST REQUIRES THE USE OF THE PROPANE ENRICHMENT DEVICE (J 26911 OR J 41417) AND AN EXHAUST GAS ANALYZER MEETING THE SPECIFICATIONS OUTLINED IN GM SERVICE BULLETIN 43-65-07, DATED DECEMBER 1994. **EVAP PRESSURE TEST** THE EVAP PRESSURE TEST IS USED TO DIAGNOSE AND LOCATE LEAKS IN THE FUEL TANK AND EVAP SYSTEM. THIS TEST REQUIRES THE USE OF THE EVAP SYSTEM DIAGNOSTIC KIT (J 41600). **EVAP PURGE FLOW TEST** THE EVAP PURGE FLOW TEST IS USED TO DIAGNOSE THE LOSS OF EVAP PURGE FLOW. DETAILED PROCEDURES FOR ALL EVAP SYSTEM CONFIGURATIONS ARE PROVIDED. THIS TEST REQUIRES THE USE OF THE EVAP PRESSURE/PURGE DIAGNOSTIC STATION (J 41413) AND THE PURGE FLOW INDICATOR (J 41418) SUPPLIED AS PART OF THE EVAP SYSTEM DIAGNOSTIC KIT (J 41600). **TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR ENHANCED I/M (I/M 240) FAILURES** DEALER TECHNICIANS ARE GRANTED ACCESS TO ALL DIVISIONAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE STAFFS WHEN REPAIRING I/M 240 EMISSIONS TEST FAILURES. REFER TO GM SERVICE BULLETIN 43-65-06, DATED OCTOBER 1994 FOR COMPLETE DETAILS. **BASIC/ENHANCED I/M EMISSIONS DIAGNOSIS TRAINING** GM HAS DEVELOPED THE FOLLOWING EMISSIONS TRAINING PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY FOR DEALERS LOCATED IN ENHANCED I/M TESTING AREAS: **VEHICLE EMISSIONS, ENHANCED TESTING AND DIAGNOSIS** (COURSE # 16004.10). CONTACT YOUR LOCAL GM TRAINING CENTER FOR CLASS SCHEDULES, ENROLLMENT INFORMATION, AND PREREQUISITES. ADDITIONAL COPIES OF THE INSPECTION/MAINTENANCE EMISSIONS DIAGNOSTIC MANUAL (GM/95-IM240-2) MAY BE OBTAINED FROM HELM INC. 1-800-782-4356. FIGURES: 00 ATTACHMENTS: 00 Those are the only 2 official "SMU" documents for the 88 Eldo. jpj64 01-26-08, 01:31 PM The intent of my question was not about revisions to the document but damages caused by use and replacement pages. Thanks Ranger 01-26-08, 02:15 PM This is what is coming; I don’t know if it’s a complete set? I don't think they went to two volume sets til some time after '88, so I think that is complete. Eric 01-26-08, 02:34 PM I had an 89 fsm and it was one volume. jpj64 01-26-08, 03:09 PM Thanks a lot for all the info I really appreciate all of your help. I hope I won't need any pages. Johnny ewill3rd 01-27-08, 08:36 AM DOH! There I go again. I didn't see the "ebay" part. I thought you ordered a new set from Helm inc. Sorry for the confusion. You can always post something about a damaged or missing page and someone can fax you one or something. Most of the time they are not too bad, although we have some pretty rough looking ones in the shop. jpj64 01-27-08, 03:44 PM ewill3rd Thanks for responding to my post your information was very informative. My next big problem is Abbreviations used on this forum can you direct me to a link for reference purposes? Thanks again Johnny Ranger 01-27-08, 04:57 PM How about this one. http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/nbheck/automotive/acronyms.html jpj64 01-27-08, 05:33 PM Ranger Thanks for the list of Abbreviations this is going to be so helpful. Johnny jpj64 02-05-08, 09:53 PM Well I received the FSM today in great shape no pages required thanks to all. Johnny jpj64 02-05-08, 10:09 PM Ranger I ran across this site yesterday, thought it was very helpful worth checking out let me know what you think. http://www3.sympatico.ca/dhaughey/j1930.htm ewill3rd 02-05-08, 10:14 PM Oh man, I am so tired of abbeviations and acronyms... trying to memorize them all... it is like trying to learn a new language. Worst part is GM keeps changing them on us every few years. Those are some handy websites though. Thanks for posting the links. jpj64 02-05-08, 10:34 PM ewill3rd That site is loaded up with a lot learning material on PDF format for downloading. Johnny Ranger 02-05-08, 11:28 PM I think I may have seen that one before. There is enough there to keep you busy for a while. | |