Back track a few months.... Craigslist, $600... "cadillac coupe, no keys no title, in storage for 10 years, as is" Owner died, garage owner wanted it gone.
1981 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Coupe d'Elegance... In triple black. After a few weeks of showing no intrest, i called the garage owner back, he told me to get it out in the next two days or its going to get scraped. Just take it.
Popped it in N (locked in the garage, with frozen door locks) and rolled it out. Dust so thick, you couldnt really tell it was black for sure. Up on the trailer she went. I was anxious... I needed to get into it. Hood was first. The ugly eggcrate grille met my foot. Unbolted the latch and opened her up. THere was a L-62 6.0 Liter 8-6-4 368 CID Engine in there, attached to a not known yet, but destroyed turbo 400. After 2 days of soaking the locks with WD 40 they losened up and unlocked via slim jim. I was in!!! Next was to get in the trunk. Back seat came out and i unbolted the latch... I got a bit worried when i saw a large item wrapped up in a black trash bag in the trunk.. But it didnt smell like a dead body. From then to now i illegally got the title (rmv insider) and changed out the locks and ignition. Started it up, realized the tranny was gone. Did a full tune up... and reaplaced a heater core. Pulled the tranny and sent it to be rebuilt.
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Fast forward to Today. I have a used, but totally new Turbo 400 tranny sitting in pops' truck waiting to go it. Threw a friend of a friend i got it rebulit, (including the $200 in parts for the rebuild) It cost me $320 to get it rebulit. What a DEAL. Its now inside the body shop awaiting its tranny transplant.
Using the 4 parts cars i have, 3 90-92 sedans and a 85 Triple black Fleetwood Coupe, it will be remade, to what it sorta looked like years ago.. Except 90-92 Style. One of the 3 parts cars will donate a nose, all the way down to the radiator support and harness... Along wiht the rear bumper and tail lights.. And the body side mouldings, which are already made to fit this coupe. Also planned is a factory moonroof from the 92 parts car. Im still deciding on the interior. Whether to add the 90-92 dash and wood grain. It will be a semi slow restoration, but well worth it. It will all be done at a award winning body shop, that has been voted the best of the best in the area for the past 11 years running. So rest assure, this isnt a backyard basket case.
And the fun starts NOW!
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Updates will come as i make them. Tomorrow the nose comes off. And the rear bumper. A nose will come off a parts car for it.
Sunday the tranny goes in. and maby a nose on?
Pick a nose any nose!!!
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This i found, exactly what i want. (i already have the primo wire wheels ready)
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Sweet! :D

My advice, do the '90 interior. That will really "complete" the car, so it wont be half-and-half, but rather a full blown '92 Coupe WITH a 6.0L FI motor. Are you gonna disable the 8-6-4 function?

That's what I'm talkin' about!

If you're going to 90 it, do it all the way. Put the coupe body on the 90s frame complete with the 5.7.

Looks badass in black! When I was searching for my coupe, black was my first choice, and I also planned to 90 it. Ended up with the white one, and have changed my mind. The white ones just don't look good 90'd...

Take lots of pics!

Hmmm, maybe I should start a "project" thread, too!

Wow that looks like a really nice car!! And thast what Id do with a coupe too. Make it into a 1990-1992 Brougham D'Elegance.

What a productive day. She aint a virgin anymore. Not much of a 81 Cadillac either.
Started at 9am.. Task, take that nose off, in one piece. By 11am It was off. Didnt take long at all. Whole clip care right off. Its much easier then taking it apart fender by fender. After that i took off the rear bumper/ tail lights. The right side filler is crubling, while the other side is nice and soft. The one under the plate was also cracking. So im going to nab me a filler for the right side off the burgandy 90. And take the plate panel off the 85 Coupe, because that has the locking gas cap, which i midas well add while in there!! I have my rust free bumper off my florida parts car from long ago (the one that rolled off the Uhaul ramps gettin a hitch put on, and rolled out the door into a uhaul truck. Surprisingly stuffing the nose) Nice 90 tail lights, harness and lenses. All ready to go on after i grab them fillers.
Later in the afternoon i picked the nose victim, the 90 blue delegance wiht 77k on it. Put her up on the trailer, and hauled her 1/4 mile down the road to my dads company, and took that nose off. This time took a bit longer, i didnt have air tools. Well a air supply that is. Still got it off, all in one clip. And here I am.

Tomorrow im going to put the tranny in. The exhaust was GONE on this car. However i noticed that the 85 coupe, the 90 brougham that i robbed the nose from, and the black 92 all have BRAND NEW exhaust... So it looks like i got exhaust, and then some. What a waste. Anyone need a full exhaust sytem?? lol. Before i put my nose on im goint to clean up and detail the engine bay, maby some minor painting. The select few bolts that were blue, stil show it. I may re do them just for kicks. So it looks like my nose wont go on till another time. Rather take my time, and get that motor cleaned up while i have the perfect opurtunity. along with belts and a few other odds and ends that are easy to service whith no nose.
Here are some pics for some of your enjoyment, others, horror. :)
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Remember I did this by myself.
Ahh good times...

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Victim # 2 of the day
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Well tomorrow will bring more!

To answer the above, my fav, the 4-6-8 was already dis-connected, Im assuming because the tranny was already changed, but was a used tranny that was junk. So it was probably working, but then disconencted and never hooked back up after.

Jay, id love to do a 5.7. But i dont want it to turn into a basket case. Thats alot of work. I have the facilitys and tools, but i dont think i want to tackle it. The 6.0 will be find for now. If anything happens to it a 425 or so forth would work well.. :) Plus my one elderly lady owner, 90 brougham with the 5.7 has frame rot. Too bad.

You could always drop the 5.7 in the coupe w/ its frame, but I can see how that would be ALOT more work. A 425 would do nicely in that car; especially since you hardly ever 90's Cads with BB engines. Now you have the 368, and that's a fine engine, but aren't there some weird rockers, and other gizmos? I'd still prefer a bone stock engine, but this will suffice. Good work on that nose removal, btw. When I replaced the driver fender on my '90 Bro, it took 9 hours, and it still didn't quite line up. Let me ask you this; are you gonna paint it before you reassemble the nose? Because you will have different colors and strange overspray if you don't. The rest of the car is already black, so you're good from that standpoint.

You still haven't informed us of the interior! You goin' '90 or not? I suggest you use the triple-black '92 interior, since it's seats have the one-piece storage armrest, not those funny two-piece armrests in the 80-89 d'Es. Don't forget the small burlwood pieces like the window controls, armrest trim, and reading lights AND the overhead handles if you go that far. And you gotta have those "passive" seatbelts. The odo/speedo will be a trick though, since the digital stuff was on a different drivetrain, but I've seen it done.

PLEASE keep us updated; I love these big pix (as I may use them for reference someday)! :D

Oh and don't forget the door lock knob-puller-thingies. And the seatbelt buckles w/ the Cadillac crest. And I assume you'll be using the '92 astroroof maplights, right? Good, because as we all know the 90-92 maplights have a nicer button setup. :D

Also if you're gonna have the '92 seats, you may have to sacrifice the power recliner, because they never made a set of 2-door window switches with it. So you'll either have to have two dead switches, or no power recliner. I would actually do the "two dead switches" route, simply because the passenger seat has a power recliner too, and it'd be funny with one and not the other.

Details (inconsistencies) like that always drive me mad! ...lol... But are you gonna add the 3rd brake light? I'm indifferent on that, and actually prefer the look w/o out, though I wonder if it's as safe. :hmm:



btw, it wouldn't be that hard to add power passenger seats to your '90. I did it to an Olds of mine in under an hour. Just unbolt the seat tract, add a motorized track, replace the switch and that's that. But I'm sure you already know that. Is yours so bone stock that it doesn't have the rear reading lights and no leather wheel? Because I actually think those were made for limo/hearse conversions, which would actually make yours a rare unconverted car. ..........just thoughts, though.. lol


Keep us posted
Greg

Oh and don't forget to change out the trunk lids, or at least the trim. Remember the 90-92 has that one lip of chrome above the license plate unlike the large strip across the width of the trunk found on the 80's versions.

I'm just full of suggestions aren't I, so I better leave this project to you before it becomes MINE! lol

nice car like the after market rims instead of the hubcap spokes. i wanted the same ones for my lac but its fwd not rwd. good luck with the restoration

Oh no, those aren't aftermarktet. Those are original cadillac spoked wheels. Believe me, this guy is purely original.

hahahahah My fav... your on top of things around here!!!
ill go in order here.
Im going to hang and install the whole nose, but yes I will "jamb" (the body shop term) the inner fenders, and hood ect. No point in doing all the work and have it look like shit under the hood. I could have hung the nose today. But while its off im going to clean up and detail the engine compartment. De grease, and some paint on a few pieces. A new fan, as the blade is all chewed up. Belts, as they are all dry rotted. A new radiatior and other things. May not be broke now, but it will be WAY easier. I have to find a hood though. All my hoods seem to have defects, whether its rust, dings, or being painted with spray paint. I want a clean hood. What im going to do is get it all together, nose, side mouldings, rear bumper, sun roof ect... All the body stuff done and fitted, shimmed, adjusted. Then do the bod work.

Im probably going to do the interior. From the dash to the rear sail panels. All the wood grain, and what not. Im going to gank the factory CD out of my 90 and add that, and the door speakers for the CD cars. As far as seats, this 81, the 85 coupe and the 92 all have black delegance seats. All of them show bad wear on the fronts. Back seat is NICE in the 85, ill steal that. But for the fronts, i was planing to dye a set of blue ones i have, but im probably just going to break down, and spend the $$ and have the fronts re done.... Ouch that hurts. I have to figure out the folding forward of the sedan seats to the coupe. I dont want to put em in if they wont fold. I heard there is one pin that is rememoveable to make them fold. We will see about that. I like the single opening arm rest better. And hey, im a American male, i need a ****ing cup holder!!! Lol. I WONT do the seat belts. My coupe door panels and arm rests are nice and original black vinyl, to put the belts on you need to splice a coupe and sedans arm rest together. And the inner door sheet metal needs to be cut and welded in. its intensive. Not worth it to me. Ill take the loss at barret jackson.. :) IDk about the roof hanels. If i have them maby the fronts, but i dont see the point in the rears. IDK. Plus there arent any threaded nuts on the roof structure to hold em on. So prob not. As far as the digital. I have read that its sopose to be a plug and play with the 90-92 harness. Then again thats what I heard about the front clip and lighting harness... but i already see a few extra wires and plugs ima have to figure out.
I got plenty of door lock knobs. Belive me when i say it greg, after waht... 11? 12? parts cars... I know the little things. As far as the seatbelts, i already told you about the fronts, at that point im probably going to just keep the lap belts with the GM logos in the rear. IDK if there is a re-inforced nut on the package shelf to accept the shoulder belts. I have a guy intrested in all the belts anyways,, from the 92, so ill prob just sell em for some $$
The map light/asto roof switch will be coming from the 92. Alraedy black. See, this is where its good to have numerous parts cars. No dying interior shit different colors. Im sure black is the easiet, but id rather have OEM black, never going to chip or wear off parts then dyed shit. So a parts Delegance Fleetwood coupe and a sedan wiht black interior, its a Cadillac mans wet dream.
As far as the 3rd brake light. Ill probably grab the light and wireing for the one from the sedan, as my 81 doesnt have one. But i do have a LED strip from a 00 Deville, that i may try to do some custom shit with. Not mould it into my deck lid, but in the rear window. IDK... I have it incase though!!
The power passenger seat, you need the whole harness from the pass front door. There are wires from the switch on the door to the seat itself. It really doesnt bother me anymore. I dont sit there... Lol.. I have 4 doors and harness off a rust free car, that i kept for when i restore my 90. But that day is never going to come now. So i sold 2 of the doors a while back. A belive they were the pass side ones... So eh... im not worried about it. I have seen some sedans from the 80;s with the switches on the side of the seat bottom. That would be MUCH easer to wire then the door one. Now that i think of it. My 81 has the switches on the seat side, so what am i going to do to get the 92 seats in and have the switch on the door?? I may have to have the switches on the seat for the pass side. I belive the drivers is on the door?? IDK. Ill figure it out... I put the reading lights in the back sails of the 90. I didnt like the gay ass base lights. I also nabed a buch of other stuff, like dual lit canity mirros, and such to add in. But like i said, that day isnt going to come at this rate. I ahve a few boxes of stuff ment to go on the 90... from past parts cars. I had the first picking for myself. Niceer chrome trims, interior parts, assist handels for the roof... alot of shit... eh.. what are you going to do. I have WAY to many projects going. I have this 81, finishing up ,my 57, and i bought my dad a rear clip of a 57 chevy, made into a couch for fathers day. I have to paint it to match and do some body work. It was used. So i got alot on my plate. Add to that a full time job, and ebay/ parting these cars out... YAH.....
The deck lids.... The one on the black one has a tiny spot of rust starting. I have a rust free one off a old parts car. Its blue though. ill have to jamb it and what not. But yah, that trim.... gona need that.
I already have the 4 door side mouldings fused together and ready to fit the coupe. So thats a big step out of the way.

As far as progress today. Not much photo progress. The tranny went in. First tranny i ever removed and installed. Much easier then i thought it ever would have been. And, IT RUNS anD!! MOVESSS!!! Started putting the rear bumper on. But i need to change the filler below the licese plate. I remember my 85 coupe (black already) having a locking gas door..> So i may just nab the whole thing from that car, and see about adding the locking mechanism. Once i started it up, i noticed my "stop engine temp light and buzzer" that use to come on when the door jamb swtich was depressed, now doesnt do it. So im def pumped there. I still have a constant "NO Charge" light. But w/e ill deal. Loud as all hell. No exhaust. Though, 3 of the 4 parts cars all have brand new cat back exhaust... :) What a waste though. Ill still have 2 whole new exhaust systems, prob just going to the junk yard. Anyone local need some exhaust?? lol.
The 90 delegance that i gaffed the nose from is almost junyard ready. I threw my 81's nose on it, just because they wouldnt give me the full $200 junk price at the junkyard without a whole car. So a noseless car would get me only like $150... Im not going to use the 81's nose anyways. Hoods junk, the fenders are and the header. Only good its the grille surround, and the drivers lights/ assembly. Maby the fillers. Ill see before it goes.

Anyways..... Here is a few pics from today.....
Bye by 80-89 bumper and tail lights..... you can see i have my new 90;s one mounted... Every car/bumpers different. Its a pain in the ass to get these all to come together and line up, from one car to another. Between the ends and the fillers, height, ect.... i just threw it on quick... i need to adjust/ shim it still. tail lights are a factory plug and play, witht the extra bulb in the 90's.
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Here she is running and driving... And LOUD!!! But its a fine start... for one weekend. Got a little snow today... Ugh.... I hate it.

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I broke a tab on one of the tail lights, so ima gaff a different one for the pass side. You will notice the lack of bumper filler. The gray one on the bumper itself. What a chore it its to change that. The 90 bumper i have there is from a flroida car. So it was long gone. I have one already off a car... you have to totally dis-assemble a the bumper to change it. So i just threw tthe new one in the trunk. Ill paint it before i install it. I have like 5 rear bumper mouldings. All are beat up. Id rather sell all 5, and buy a nice one then try to fix one. Not worth the time. ill throw one on for looks for now...
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Rear end is stitting MAD low. Maby because it has no nose, and it hasnt been started in a few months to run the air pump. Now its disconnected. Hopefully thats it...
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You can see what i mean about the detailing of the engine bay. Alot of dust/ dirt from sitting 10 yEars, some surface rust. Id rather spend a day now and clean it up nice then a hour when the nose is on and it wont look as agood. Im going to clean it up as best i can, i have to change the pass side valve cover gasket as it leaks oil bad. The drivers was done. IDK why they wouldnt do both.
Before i wrap this up... funny, yet very disapointing thing happend. Yesterday i took the rear bumper and fillers off, and unplugged the harness in the back. Well today after getting the tranny in, i tried to start it. No go. Wasnt getting gas. My heart sank. With the nose off, and all in pieces... god only knows whats wrong... I got upset and kinda felt as if this was going to do it.... it was gona **** me over.... So instead of finding out waht was wrong... i worked on my tail lights/ fillers/ bumper. So maby the car would get a mind of its own and deceide to start in a few minutes. Turns out, which i didnt know. The fuel pump harness is wired into the tail light harness. I unplugged the fuel pump the day before and didnt even know. I pluged it in, though not knowing for sure that was it, i just saw the wires went and ran ontop of the tank.... between the floor and tank. And tried it. Started right up... Boy was that relief......
Well ima quit now.. Go watch my ebay auctions end. I probably past the limit on words per day per one post limit anyways....

Next updates will prob be next weekend... Ill keep us informed. Oh ya, know how you go to a car show, and you will see some ppl have photo albums of the restoration, from start to finish.... This cars getting one! To show future generations what a real cadillac once looked lilke. And my kids (None yet thank you) how much work went into this car. Or maby just to look at and get my jollys off instead of a playboy. Cuz its just as good if you ask me!!!

Looks good. Keep up the good work. :2thumbs:

Wow, thanks for the novel. But I know this is just the start. As for the power seats, my Olds had 'em on the seat, so when I added new seats, I got the luxury of free power! And about them seatbelts, there just is no easy way to transfer them over! Oh well, the only reason I suggested them is because I hate it when you have to go under the belt when you get in and out of the back seat, that and I don't like that "thing" on the headrest. But you can just leave that out, I guess. For the dash, you may just wanna look at a wiring diagram and start from square (wire) number one. ...just to ensure that when you get it all back together, you don't realize you forgot a wire deep within the dash!

Now for that radio, I still gotta vouch for my Buick crossover. It sounded a TON better than any head unit in a Cadillac I had heard before. Much better than the stock tape player I had in before. And I didn't even touch the speakers; the sound was enhanced by the head unit alone. So how's about you keep your speakers and your factory CD. I'd hate for you to dye them black anyway. And if you ask me, they are a little too bulky for originality, so I'd leave 'em off. This radio sounded great, even with the stock speakers.
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Just one more thing. When she's all done, you gotta get some customized license plates that say "TONY" as it'll suit you and the car perfectly!

I guess i could add that radio instead. Has that buick look to it. But IDk
what year am i looking for? I know we had a post on this mad time ago...

This weekend aint looking good for the coupe. Party at my buddy ryans house (the ex coupe owner) ill probably be wrecked saturday. We will see.

Anywho... here is my old nose... Bye Bye 81
parts car aint got no more go go to it. Tranny lines rusted and broke when i took the clip off. So when i ran it to get it on and off the trailer, it was pumping it out. This is where she lies. 77k mile car, Bled to death where it sits. Good runing 307... but who would want one of those...

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Did I hear you were taking her to the scrap yard? Just make sure you save the V8-6-4 Badges! I think they bring a pretty penny on eBay since they were only one year. I'd sell the bumper too, if it's not too bad. And just like you "90d" a coupe, you have "80d" a sedan.. lol

As for the radio, they started putting them in the RMs as early as '95 and were used across the line until '04 (I think) There's two types that differ only in the plugs (just like 90-92 vs. 93-95 Cad radios) You'll want the plain rectangle plug one, as I think the other has some security whatnots.

Here's my post(s):

Actually, Caddycruiser, they didn't move the "amplifier" to the trunk until the '93-on Broughams came out. From 90-92, the amplifier sat just behind the dash to the right of the steering wheel, behind the wood trim.

I bought a factory CD/cassette head unit on eBay for my '90 Brougham for $150.00 and it wasn't even that great. So I sold it and went with a MUCH BETTER OPTION. See what I did.

The double-din hole for the radio is a very common size and the wires are all the same on the other end of the amplifier. So I bypassed the amplifier when I installed a GM CD-player from a Buick. All GM radio wires are pretty much the same (colors-to-functions) and they're all 12-volt. So its an extremely easy fix.

Here's what you do.
Get a Buick double din radio (like mine). They are a dime-a-dozen and dirt cheap - only about $35. They also sound MUCH better than the original units. PLUS, you get CD and cassette and custom equalization.

Then get the standard wire harness for that radio. It plugs your radio into the standard plug for all gm radio systems. Then unplug your amplifier from the speaker wires and antenna, and plug them into the Buick radio. It's amplifier is built-in, there's no worry about extra wires. The power antenna even goes up and down when you turn it on and off. That's the wonder of GM radios - they're so universal!

See mine. Total investment: $40 And it sounds awesome!

Good luck!


Greg

Tada! I just searched "buick radio cd" and this was the first to pop up. Please note the back of the radio. It has a blue rectangle plug slot. You want that one. Some others look exactly the same, but have a white thinner plug and two black prongs on the upper back instead of one on the lower back. I dont know if that one works or not, but I didn't use it, nor could find the appropriate plug.

These on eBay seem a little more expensive (they are really nice radios after all), but I got mine at a junk yard. Just hunt around - there's plenty, as Buick used it from 1996 to 2002+.

buick cd radio (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38641&viewitem=&item=370016305005&_trksid=p3907.m29)

and here's a good cheap one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-Buick-LeSabre-CD-Player-Tape-Deck-Radio_W0QQitemZ190193947364QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m190193947364)

Here's a search page full of them:
search (http://motors.search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&catref=C6&fcl=3&from=R10&satitle=buick&sacat=38640%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=75067&sabfmts=1&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&sabdlo=&sabdhi=&saprclo=&saprchi=&sass=&fsop=2%26fsoo%3D2&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search)

Here's the one to look for:
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Here's the one to avoid:
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Also, some models of the radios have metal brackets depending on the car. You can just fold those back with a hammer.

You wont be able to use the Cadillac Radio brackets (the plastic ones) because they wont go on the Buick radio. But the radio will just slide into the dash. Then the woodgrain frame will hold it in. Since mine wasn't screwed in, I used pieces of folded paper to fine-tune the alignment in the dash.

You may also notice that the radio seems too long. This is because it has a whole harness of plugs coming out the back, unlike the factory radio, but It should still fit. I found that by removing the felt tape on the inside border of the woodgrain frame, it freed up some space, made it more snug, and it just looked bad anyway when it would fall down.

As for the wiring it's pretty simple. Just get the plug that hooks into your car and the plug that hooks into the radio and splice the two together. The wires are labeled and color-coded, so just match them up.

You'll need this one to go in your radio:
Radio 32-pin plug (http://www.installer.com/item/display_item.php?it=71-2001)
http://www.installer.com/photos/71-2001.jpg


And this one to plug into the car. Note that you'll have to find the amp in the dash and unplug it to gain access to the real harness. It's a PITA to get to, but once you have it, it will be like Dr. Brown in Back to the Future, when he simply snaps the two wires together.
Other harness (http://www.installer.com/item/display_item.php?it=70-1858)
http://www.installer.com/photos/70-1858.jpg

Just put those two puppies together and you're ready to go! Not all of the wire will correspond to the other, because there are extras and the plug is universal. But once all 21 are one the 32-pin plug, all the features should be enabled. One thing that may not work it the auto-dim feature with the rest of lights on the dash; it didn't work for me, but that wasn't really a problem.

Get ready for some cool features and awesome sound!

Good luck!

Greg

Oh, I forgot. You will also have to unscrew the black plastic nub on the back, and saw off the threads sticking out. That doesn't line up with the slot in the Brougham's dash.

As for the years, Buick used it for a pretty long time. I think Roadmasters had them in 1995, along with every other car in the Buick line. I think they just stopped here back in '04. So it's had time to be perfected.

You can use any radio of that size and plug. They're all plug-n-play. I didn't think about the anti-theft, though. Mine was disabled before I got it. I was thinking of the radio from an Escalade at the time, but it was too expensive.

Also, don't get the "Monsoon" version of the Buick radio (says it on the tape door). I think it's like the Bose in the old Eldos, or the Active Audio in the old Devilles - they require special speakers - waaaay too much trouble. Stick with stock.

Greg

I updated the quotes above with current links, so check them out. And here's the original thread:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/rwd-19xx-1984-deville-fleetwood-1985/117313-looking-factory-cd-player-91-brougham.html

And if you don't like the look, you can just get the equivalent Oldsmobile radio, like this one. It has the same plugs and everything. But I'd take some fingernail polish remover to that Oldsmobile script.
http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/d4/e6/1bb3_1.JPG
And if you can find one, try the radio from a '96 FWB, as they were newer with no amp. They looked just like the Olds one, but it said Cadillac.


Cheers!
Greg

Can you provide any insight into pulling the front clip? I was gonna pull the fenders and such individually from my '84 Fleetwood Coupe, but this looks much easier.

Thanks

Its MUCH easier to do it in one piece. Most of the time is for the little shit.. Def easier if your stuffin a new heart in it!.

Basically comes down to this. YOu ahve your front bumper.... the 8 bolts and each side support. Then while your under there the 2 frame mounts. 2 big ass bolts on the rad suppot that have rubber bushings that actually hold the support to the frame. All the under hood bars that brace to the fenders. Then the plate over the radiatior and condenser.... You can either take out or leave them both in. I left em in. There are 4 bolts that hold the 2 braces that run along each side of the motor, these are to each side of the rad and condenser... Also 2 more midway down these rails. Then your few bolts at the rear of the fenders. Going to want to take your rockers off for safty. Then unplug your wireing harness.... any grounds ect... And its basiaclly un bolted. everythign stays together, hood, fenders, header with all the lights and trim... LMK if you have any ???'s


Good luck!


Not much progress guys. I got a radiatior, upper and lower hoses, new clutch fan, though the blades are kinda close to the AC compressor. Something seems wrong there... The old one the blades were all chewed up. Maby cuz it hit the compressor. Ill look into it. Also new belts, plugs, wires cap, rotor ect... Much easier now.

Cadillac PimPin

Thanks for the info, I'm sure this way will be much easier.

Check all the exhaust manifold bolts! Way easier to deal with them now if some are missing, loose, or broken. I've got a couple to deal with on mine...:mad:

The front and rear bumper bolts/nuts have a weld on the shaft of the bolt. I was told by a local body shop that this was done so the nut didn't back off and the bumper become loose, some sort of law or something. Will these shocks need to be replaced if removed? Any line on new bumper shocks? Did you run into this welded bolt situation?

Hey 90Caddy, I know this doesn't have anything to do with your Fleet, but this guy has the same car and needs a part. Ya wanna do him a favor and check out his thread? might help business.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/rwd-19xx-1984-deville-fleetwood-1985/129907-soft-top-exterior-light.html

He was too new to send a pm, so.....

Always looking out Gregg.... ill check it out.

Jay, the car has NO exhaust. It ends where the manifolds and down pipes connect. Its a loud caddy. I have 4 cars with all new exhaust. Im going to throw a system in and see what she sounds like. The passenger side has alot of white residue on it. I dont see it on the other side. I think it has to do with the valve cover gasket leaking, and running the oil on it, then burning off. Thats the only thing i can really notice about em
I remember you telling me to check em out before. Belive me its been in the back of my mind since. Your right on the fact that they are much easier to work on now. Thanks!


Will.... i never heard or seen that. There are 4 bolts and nuts on each bumper shock to mount the bumper to the shock. There is no weld or locking washer. i have never had one losen up, or ever see one welded. They should just come right off.
Any more questions... feel free.

Dude, it's one "g"

Grrrrrrrrrrr!
j/k ;)

Kinda like its one P in triple.... Lol...

You can see how quick i moved on that.

Sry Greg.

You still remember that?!? I had long since forgotten that. Ya know what REALLY bugs me, is when folks spell it "Caddillac" with an extra d. I guess every car owner has his peeves. If you say JAG-WIRE to a Jag owner, they'll go all JAUG-U-ARE on you... lol

You still remember that?!? I had long since forgotten that.

yahp. lol.


Not much progress. Took it from work to my dads warehouse/ company. Put new exhaust on, that i robbed from my parts coupe. All brand new. No cat though. It was bypassed. IDK what im going to do with the EGR tube... i belive thats what that is. Im glad i did it though, as this now shows and proves the manifolds are leaking. Thanks to the advice to check from jay.

I got a new radiatior, upper and lower hoses, all new belts, and my valve cover gaskets are on order.
Old radiatior was fine, just a bit green So i decided to replace it now, rather then later... Just tonight it blew a pin hole leak... squirting out all over the windshiled. The drivers valve cover gasket was done at one time, the pass side leaks, BAD. Im going to do them both. Along with tranny lines. Then a pressure wash of the motor, some detailing in the engine bay and the nose will go back on. 90 nose that is.

;)

What do you mean, "I don't know what I am going to do with the EGR tube"? Is it off? Not connected?

BTW, did I tell you that I have the FSM for the 81, and the Fisher Body Manual? LMK if you need any info!

90Caddy, check your pm's

77k mile car, Bled to death where it sits. Good runing 307... but who would want one of those...

Just a money making idea. Since you have a good 307 and junk, car how's about you drop it in a mint d-body car w/ no engine. Here's a Olds 98 with no engine; that 307 would fit right in. And the Olds owners would go nuts over it. She be a nice "flipper" ...lol

Maybe not mint but pretty close; just a suggestion:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsmobile-Ninety-Eight-Brougham_W0QQitemZ140203705911QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item140203705911

http://i20.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/d6/d8/f1f9_12.JPG

Whats in my PM box??

The egr tube... or what i think the egr tube is, concects into the exhaust/cat. Now its just chilling. As there is no cat. Maby its not the egr tube... IDK. I checked the manifolds jay, pass side (where the noise was comming from) The first 3 bolts starting at the front of the car and going back, they were all lose. Tightend them up, and i think we are golden. As for your question on the inner fender wells.... Definatly easier. Kinda hard to say fro sure, since im dealing with NOTHING on my nose. But i belived if the liners were out, it would help.
Jay how close do your fan blades come to your AC compressor? My original one was all smashed and chewed up, a few blades missing. I swaped the blade assembly out from my 90 with the 307... and it works but REALLY close. What was left of my 81 fan was really close also. IDK if there is a spacer missing, or id thats normal. But the fan seems out of balance, or something, as its a bit loud. Maby because there is no shroud. AutoZone couldnt get a fan... Just wondering.

I bought a 81 sercive manual on EBay... The one with the silver cover? I didnt know the fisher body manual existed. Does the 81 FSM not cover the body??


Between yesterdays exhaust and todays work, didnt get much done. Today i did the belts. Had to get a new alternator. Comes in tomorrow. Im waiting for my valve cover gaskets to come in. My passenger side is BAD. Hopefully next weeknend i can do the gaskets, and the alternator and last belt. Detail and paint what i want to... then get that nose on there.

I was told by a fellow 81 Cadillac/90'ed coupe owner that i have to swap the harness for the AC heater box to make it work. So i have to look into that too.

Once the under hood shit is done, i think ill go a bit quicker. I like body/ appearance work over mechanical.
But its getting there. I think i may have to do something with the rear shocks too. sitting LOW... i blew them up via the valve on the compressor, and they stayed jacked for a few hours. Now its saggin ass again. The 85 parts car has Gabrial Hi Jackers in it.... With those i completely bypass the air ride system??

The tube to the cat isn't EGR. It's AIR injection. Don't worry about it.

Good news on the bolts!

Yes, the FSM is silver. The Fisher body manual deals with specific stuff for trim and weather stripping.

I'll check my fan clearance for you, but it will take a couple of days. My 81 is sandwiched between my 65 Impla convertible, and my 95 Impala SS. I'll have to back the SS out to get the door open to pop the hood on the Cad. I'll try and get pics.

You can use the Gabriels with the stock compressor. You just need the hook up kit. If you want to go original, rockauto.com has a great price ($68.79) on AC Delco air shocks packed as a pair. Try AC Delco Part # 504511.

Whats in my PM box??

okay check now... sry

Tomorrow Tomorrow Tomorrow!!! The new front clip will be on!!
Today... Did the valve cover gaskets. Altenator, belts remaining. Tightend all my exhaust manifold bolts. Painted some under hood stuff. And got my 90 Nose ready.

Prior to replacing the alternator i was getting a constant NO CHARGE light on the dash. Even when the car was off and no keys in it. I belive the new alt. fixed that. Its not on anymore... started it right up... and she purrrrred like a Big Block should.

Tomorrow Morning my buddy Owen is truckin up from CT.. I will meet him to send off His new parts car, my old one. After 2 years the car is down to noting. Large hole where the moonroof USE to reside.... no trim. Only a good running 307. I wanted to take the seats out, they are really decent leather delegance seats, but i cut the door harness's a while back, and there is no way i can move the front ones... So ... they will go to the crusher with the car.

about 2 years ago this is what i had....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/91%20Delegance/DeElegance.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/91%20Delegance/DeElegance6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/91%20Delegance/DeElegance9.jpg

I have no use for the blue seats anyways....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/DSC05705.jpg


Pics and nose descussion on the 81 will resume tomorrow!!! And... AND AND AND... My first real drive wiht the new tranny... Actually first real drive at all.... I cant wait!!!!!!

Oh, f me. Those seats would be perfect in my white on blue coupe. I have white leather D' seats for it, but I would prefer blue.

Sigh...:(

Oh, f me. Those seats would be perfect in my white on blue coupe. I have white leather D' seats for it, but I would prefer blue.

Sigh...:(

Do you want it after I have the motor taken out? It's coming to me over the next day or two. I saw the seats today, they are good. I'd be sorry to send them to the crusher.

We can pass the car around the forum until all that's left are the tires. ;)

Tony, can you keep me the seats? You know how to get the rears out, right? For the fronts, just cut them out of the floor! I'll pick them up this summer! Please please please please

please

:thumbsup:

Sam Adams on me, I promise!

Jason.

Oh, f me. Those seats would be perfect in my white on blue coupe. I have white leather D' seats for it, but I would prefer blue.

Sigh...:(

Let's keep the circle going ... what do you want for those white D' seats once you get the blues?

Tony, can you keep me the seats? You know how to get the rears out, right? For the fronts, just cut them out of the floor! I'll pick them up this summer! Please please please please

please

:thumbsup:

Sam Adams on me, I promise!

Jason.

I don't think you'll have to cut them outta the floor. Yes, because the controls are gone, you will not be able to move the seat motor. But instead of removing the seat at the floor where it meets the track, try removing the seat from the track and leave the track in the the car. The non-movable motor may have covered up the floor bolts, but I believe you may still be able to remove the seats at the track by removing the four screws that go up into the cushion area. You just have to get around the black plastic shielding and use a small ratchet. I did this when I wanted some mint Olds 98 seats from the yard, but there were no doors on the car. Then use your own track/motor assembly. :thumbsup:

Greg

ooo Man.... Delegance seat circle jerk... lol...

I have GREAT progress to update you all with..... OooOooo im so excited...

Well one step at a time.

Oh, f me. Those seats would be perfect in my white on blue coupe. I have white leather D' seats for it, but I would prefer blue.

Sigh...:(


You are going to have to ask my buddy owen if you can have them. He ownes that cream puff now... But for my buddy jay, id be happy to remove em and store em till your trip in the summer. You can come down with your blue cloth ones, and put these in when your here... but hmmm.. what to do with those cloth seats.... hmmm..... Hmmmmm IDK....

Owen??

Nuff bout seats for now... here comes the good news!!!!
Today, started off buy completeing the motor stuff... Did the upper and lower hoses, and a thermostat. my buddy owen came to pick up his new daily driver... but AAA wouldnt tow.. So im hand delivvering it to him. Anyways, then came the good part.... 90 nose. I took the inner fenders off to put it on. as much work as it may be to take them off, its alot easier....

Ill let the pics talk... That other guy in the pics that my pops...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05695.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05719.jpg


The shitty-est part right here. Gaps... Ugh... :rant2:
All the ****in shims in these cars.... But my body work knowlege paid off... It will in a few weeks again too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05720.jpg
Pops gettin the cross supports bolted up...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05722.jpg
Oh thats hot......... The car obv....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05723.jpg
I wasnt just takin pics, i did work to.. but here is pops with the bumper.... he was just as excited.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05724.jpg
New radiatior.... hoses... thermostat, alt., belts, fan, plugs, wires, cap, rotor, valve cover gaskets, i know im forgetting more..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05728.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05725.jpg
AND THE WINNERS ARE!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05729.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05730.jpg

Tomorrow night i have to add coolant, and start her up... I cant wait to drive it.

As for the headlights and harness.. Its not a plug and play like its put out to be.....
The harness on the left is the 90, the right is the 81. Notice the prongs?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/DSC05718.jpg

Either cut and splice em all into the 81 plug... (all the same wires and colors) or wait and change the fuse box and what not when and if i do the dash.......

But its mostly assembled!!!!!

Awesome! It looks like a Cadillac again. Can't wait to see more pics. :)

looking nice man, so did you keep the 368 on it? why not do the whole frame swap?

You are going to have to ask my buddy owen if you can have them. He ownes that cream puff now... But for my buddy jay, id be happy to remove em and store em till your trip in the summer. You can come down with your blue cloth ones, and put these in when your here... but hmmm.. what to do with those cloth seats.... hmmm..... Hmmmmm IDK....

Owen??

Nuff bout seats for now... here comes the good news!!!!
Today, started off buy completeing the motor stuff... Did the upper and lower hoses, and a thermostat. my buddy owen came to pick up his new daily driver... but AAA wouldnt tow.. So im hand delivvering it to him. Anyways, then came the good part.... 90 nose. I took the inner fenders off to put it on. as much work as it may be to take them off, its alot easier....

Ill let the pics talk... That other guy in the pics that my pops...




The shitty-est part right here. Gaps... Ugh... :rant2:
All the ****in shims in these cars.... But my body work knowlege paid off... It will in a few weeks again too.

Pops gettin the cross supports bolted up...

Oh thats hot......... The car obv....

I wasnt just takin pics, i did work to.. but here is pops with the bumper.... he was just as excited.

New radiatior.... hoses... thermostat, alt., belts, fan, plugs, wires, cap, rotor, valve cover gaskets, i know im forgetting more..


AND THE WINNERS ARE!!!!



Tomorrow night i have to add coolant, and start her up... I cant wait to drive it.

As for the headlights and harness.. Its not a plug and play like its put out to be.....
The harness on the left is the 90, the right is the 81. Notice the prongs?

Either cut and splice em all into the 81 plug... (all the same wires and colors) or wait and change the fuse box and what not when and if i do the dash.......

But its mostly assembled!!!!!


I'd be happy to let Jay old school have the seats, unless that means I have to wait another week for the engine while you take em out of the car!

I don't mean to sound pushy by any means, but I have no other wheels at the moment so if its easy to pop out the seats, great, save em, but if it's a huge project...taking the mass transit bus is getting old.

On that note, I'm in class till 3:30-6:30 this afternoon, if you have any delivery plans to update with.

looking nice man, so did you keep the 368 on it? why not do the whole frame swap?

He kept the 368. Didn't frame swap because his donor car was a 307 and had frame rot.

The car is looking great. I'm soooo jealous.

If you can save me the seats, I would really (really) appreciate it, but I don't want to hold up the engine swap for our boy Reagan. I know the way you work, you will have them out in 20 minutes, though!:D Without the tracks is fine. I'll bolt them to the stock 81 tracks...

He kept the 368. Didn't frame swap because his donor car was a 307 and had frame rot.

...


You have to remember, that was one of the 3 parts cars i have.

I have one car for every motor. This 90 was a nince running, and will be re born, 5.0 307.

I have a NICE running 90k mile one owner 5.7... Also frame rot... or i probably would have done it....

and a NICE running 5.0 305 chevy... which runs the balls. in a 92..

So i had others to chose. I could have used the 305 and frame... but hey... whatever... I have a 6.0 that now i know runs great. A totally rebuilt turbo 400...


Lets just see where i stand as of now.....
81 Fleetwood coupe.... $0
Title $65
Ignition $10
Tranny complete rebuild, $320
Radiatior, upper and lower hoses, and belts, and valve cover gaskets $160
Alt $79
Thermostat $7
Plugs, wires cap rotor and heater core $150
Complete exhaust, new, $0
set of 4 new tires $0
Like new Wire wheels $300
___________________________________
A **** hair under $1100.
Add $700 for materials for the $6000 paint job im going to preform myself..
Im going to have the most pimpin 81/91 Cadillac Fleetwood Coupe for under $2000.
:histeric:
Whos the man?:cool::p
90 parts... ALREADY OWNED.....
If you add up all 4 of my parts cars...
$900 FOR ALL 4!!!!
Minus the hundreds i make in parts, and the $200 a pop ill get for scrap when im done... Ohh man, now I know why i dont need college.


So yah i got the coolant in it, and after all that motor work it started right up.... Runs PISSER... QUIET... and smoooooooth. Heat works GREAT.

No leaks...

Drove it for the first time today.... I had to use the windshield squirters cuz i busted such a big nut all over the windshield....
:fwll:

Haha congrats on the success :2thumbs:

you doing all the 90 moldings too? what color you going with the car?

Yahp 90 mouldings too. They are already done... Just got to fit em so i can drill the holes for the rivets that will hold the clips on. I have 4 or 5 rear bumper mouldings, but i think im going to buy one, as i want a perfect one. Along with the hood. I have like 5 ****ing hoods, none are ding or rust free. So ima have to find another. Thats one thing i wont do bodywork to, the hood. Its the focal point.

Car is going to stay triple black. Though my car isnt going to be like most triple blacks.... mine came FACTORY triple black, its on the title bitch! Oh yah...... Im debating on silver or black lower trim. Im thinking black though.

Pretty much going to be this exact car, down to the wire wheels and wide whites.. IDK if that one has a roof, but mine will. Factory caddy roof. I think that may be my next task... before the dash... Gotta get the one out of my 92, as that one works and is leak free. This one i cut out of the blue 90 is for parts... doest seal good.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/untitled.jpg

IDK if its the same car.... im not putting a kit on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/Other%20Lacs/coupeconversion.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/Other%20Lacs/1111.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/Other%20Lacs/111.jpg

Here is silver trim....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/Other%20Lacs/ykl.jpg

Went to move it a little while ago, and it started right up, and the antenna shot right up like it was on viagra. Wipers worked great, along with the rear defrost. (all stuff i never tested till now)

OOO man I was starting to resemble the antenna... lol...

Only one thing.. When looking at the first pic in the last group you posted, I was just staring at it thinking that something isn't quite right... then it hit me. The car sags. Front & rear, your '81 does too slightly. A little sagging is fine with me, BUT all of the '90-'92 Broughams had auto-level control. So the rear ends never sagged. One thing I'd definitely do: all new springs. Bring it all the way back up to stock height, get that pristine look. Know what I mean?

But that's just me...

Ben.

pinstripe?

yah my car sags big time in the back....THe air compressor for the shocks is disconnected, and all the air leaked out the open line.... I have to get one back in there... I dont like its saggin effect. I parked it next to the triple black fleetwood coupe parts car. I want to take some before and after pics. My 81 nose was pointing in the air, and its ass end to the ground. The 85 is more level.too bad we got snow... Ill take some pics though, of them together.

Pinstripe yes... White probably. Painted stripe... no vinyl. I stripe cars all day long at work with vinyl, did my DTS. a stripe really took it out. Nice gold double thin, attractive looking ends... Oh yah.

I think my next project will be the roof.... Ill take plenty of pics. It shouldnt be that hard. Nice factory astro....

And he's trading me for my white one when he's done! Woooo hooooo:lildevil:

I wish. I looked for a year for a black one before buying mine:(

What about a silver pinstripe? You're going with black cladding, not silver, right?

Good point by Ben on the rear ride height. Compare the one with the wires and the one with caps. Hopefully that compressor still works, so all you need to do is hook stuff up.

Can't wait for the write up on the astro! Try to put the sedan headliner in first to see how it's going to fit! Feel free to add on my old thread.

And he's trading me for my white one when he's done! Woooo hooooo:lildevil:

I wish. I looked for a year for a black one before buying mine:(

What about a silver pinstripe? You're going with black cladding, not silver, right?

Good point by Ben on the rear ride height. Compare the one with the wires and the one with caps. Hopefully that compressor still works, so all you need to do is hook stuff up.

Can't wait for the write up on the astro! Try to put the sedan headliner in first to see how it's going to fit! Feel free to add on my old thread.

Hahaha..... Tell you the truth, i think id rather have white. Shhhhh.... I think white looks more "Classy" Blacks more gangster/mafioso. Will show my Italian blood. Ill take black though... Kinda sucks how you looked for so long, and i stumbled into mine... for free.. Even got a matichin parts car. Im sorry jay, i had to rub it in a bit there.

Its between thick/thin white stripe, or silver and red. My black 96 Town car had silver and red stripe, it looked good. There was no red on the car to go with it though.

I dont want a saggy coupe... I want it nice and level. Ill work on that. By the looks of the headlight harness, the air rid compressor ties into the same harness, So i can swap the sensor/actuator and all the wiring form a 90's car. Along wiht the compressor obv..

AS far as the headliner and astro roof. I dont have a coupe to get a headliner boars from. So the sedan will have to do. Ill make it fit. Good thing is the 92 has black interior, so i dont have to dye the switch black, its already done. Along with the dash, and any other black parts i need.

:thumbsup:

Back to page one FTW!

Why thank you sir!
No progress this weekend, i had to work yesterday. My boss is trading his 07 ESV for a 08 EXT... Guess they arent making the cranberry Reddish color anymore, and he wants it. His ESV is the same color, but i guess 08 is the last year. dont see many. Anyways i had to re-con it and take off all his E&G add ons. And today i did DTS maintance..... bought it a new grille.... 05 Limitied edition grille.

Hopefully next weekend ill get somewhere. As minor as the side mouldings, or maby the astro roof.

Some daylight shots.
Pretty mulit colored. Tan bumper strips, blue nose, black car, soon to be burgandy hood.


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How mafioso i felt when i took it for a ride today. Damn yo..... Runs like a tropper. I think the smog pump or air pump is a bit loud.... but other then that, Im Cadillac Pimpin to the fullest extent of the law.

You're painting the hood and then the rest of the car separately?

^^ No, he means he taking another hood off a burgundy car and putting it on this one. Since he's unwilling to do body work on a hood, he simply replacing the current one.

Oh, haha my mistake. Thanks for the clarification. That's gonna be one interesting looking Brougham.

Seven pages! WOOOOT

:D

Best 7 pages in Cadillac History IMO.

Yah the blue hood looks like someone porked 7 and a half cans of blue spray paint on it. I just kept that one since it was on the nose already. The burgandy one is comming off my other 90 parts car. Only one with no dents. I want a nice straight hood.

I would take interior shots, but my drivers seats all beat up. Plus im on the hunt for cloth delegance seats. I know i wont find any in black, but ill dye/paint em. Dark blue would be the ideal color to have and then paint. But i have to find someone wiht dark blue cloth, who is willing to part wiht them or wont be using them. Pref from another coupe, and to keep things authentic, a 81. That narrows my search down quite a bit, but im sure ill find a set eventually.

If i kept leather id have to re/do my front seats. Both my black parts cars the seats are just as bad. And i have a fancy for cloth. So why not go that way.

My original plan was to dye these dark blue leather delegance seats that im donating to my buddy jay, since he doesnt want his dark blue cloth delegance seats in his 1981 fleetwood coupe. But i was talked out of it for quality purposes.

:)

Yeah, that would be cool. Cloth is just more comfortable and doesn't get really hot in the summer or too cold in the winter. Haha imagine if you put some talisman seats in there... Wouldn't be stock but when you're that comfortable it's hard to care!!

And 7 pages is 1 page on my computer, gotta love those 100 post pages.

Haha imagine if you put some talisman seats in there... Wouldn't be stock but when you're that comfortable it's hard to care!!

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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Talisman... eh... I still think late 70's Fleetwood seats look the most comfortable. They're huge & puffy, more so than 81-92 d'E seats IMO.

These here would look best in crushed black velour... :drool:
http://i13.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/d5/2a/db4b_1.JPG http://i11.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/d5/2a/e003_1.JPG

In fact, I :drool::drool::drool: over the whole car!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Cadillac-Fleetwood-Brougham_W0QQitemZ200195044316QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item200195044316

Yeah, that would be cool. Cloth is just more comfortable and doesn't get really hot in the summer or too cold in the winter. Haha imagine if you put some talisman seats in there... Wouldn't be stock but when you're that comfortable it's hard to care!!

And 7 pages is 1 page on my computer, gotta love those 100 post pages.
I have mine on 40 count. So, two pages here. I just thought I was the only one who messed with that. :p . I like not having to constantly turn pages, yet there's not so many posts that you get lost.

Anyway, Fleetwood looks great. I can't wait to see it all black.

Ben

Wow blow the cobb webs off this thread! Dammnit

I took her home last weekend, since now that the weather is getting better, and snow melted, i can park more cars at the Anthony Empire.

I have been tinkering with it everyday after work also, since Daylight savings.
I have all the interior panels out, and im curently swapping the wood trims for them. I have to cut down the rear ones, as they are a bit shorter then a bezel off a 4 door. While im doing the sail panels im going to re upholster them, then add the new map light with the burlwood. Tell me, are those sopose to come on when the doors open?? They dont in this car, but come on when you switch it on via the black switch. Makes the back seat look dark.
Also took all the hub caps off, as every one of them had HEAVY curb rash. These tires and wheels were BEAT, lol. Thats what happens when you let 92 year old women drive. For now im going to put on a set of wheels and tires off the black parts coupe, as they are new tires. ANd add the later 80's thre 92 caps.

Ben, whats the best way to clean those? I think you said the dishwasher before... But is that it? What setting doe you use? Cold, hot? And what do you use for a cleaner?

I have to nab some more wide whites for the wire wheels, but those wont go on untill its painted anyways.

Just dont want you guys to think im milking this one out...

Somebody else had the dishwasher idea, I think it's unnecessary. Go down to your favorite automotive chain store, and get a bottle of Eagle One chrome & wire cleaner. The stuff is pure acid, and foams up when you spray it. Just spray it on, then go at everything you see with a toothbrush. It's not a grueling as it sounds, after a wheel or two you'll get a feeling for it. After this, even the most worn wheels will look like mirrors. It takes off all of the built up brake dust and road grime that normal washing can't remove. Here's a visual

In the first pic, you can see how they look after a regular wash, gone over with a wash mitt, but not extensively detailed. At first glance, the chrome looks slightly dull.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Cadillac_guy/100_0841-1.jpg

And here you can see the difference after the Eagle One with a toothbrush. Notice how every detail pops out, like the facets of a diamond. Everything looks crisp, and bright.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Cadillac_guy/100_0842-1.jpg

It's all in the details.

Ben

Ohhhh MAN..... Thats beautiful!!!!

Im going to try it out! Excellent.
How long did it take you to do all 4 with a toothbrush?


Today I gutted the interior. Ready for a factory Astro roof and 90's digital dash.
A also slapped a grille and a heritage badge on.. makes it look better up front.

you can see how removing and installing a front clip not only saves time, but looks good too. All the gaps and lines are the same. Just have to line the fenders up with the doors. And shim the **** out of them like the factory did. And you can see below how shitty the hood is. IDK what happend. But thats why i need to change it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05841.jpg

I have to lose this plate.... its all beat up and weatherd. Came off the car the bumper came from. old parts car.
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This shot makes it look like a shit box... But belive me, shes a beautiful thing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05843.jpg
And i cleaned and conditioned one side of the roof. DAMN. Im so glad the top is still nice. No rips or cracks. I got new opera lights too. Im putting the bulb style in, vs the crappy filiment kind. OOo yah.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05845.jpg

Its a beautiful thing my friends!!!
:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

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Man, I love that woodgrain. Nice work!

Tell me more about the "bulb" option on the opera light...

im loving this thread ive got a 85 coupe that im going to 90ing in the next few weeks when i find all the damn parts. keep up the good work work

OooOOoo man Anthony, those door panels look AWESOME! It looks like you've out-cadillac'd Cadillac! As for those lights, the rear reading/map lights with a switch do not come on when you open the doors - only when you flip their switches. That really bothered me, because the base lights (squares) came on like normal lights and illuminated the car better. I often wanted to work out some wiring that would trigger them with all the other lights, but I never got around to it. I take it you have the base squares in your '90, right? Since there's no power passenger seat either; c'mon it's a freakin' CADILLAC!

But the trim looks really good along with that '90 clip. Keep us up on the dash conversion. I know stuff like the speed sensor might be a pain since you're pairing it with a motor and tranny without them, but it's still very doable. And why are you cutting sedan sail panels? Can't you just put the burlwood lights on the coupe sail panels? Or are they the square style too?

Great job! Keep them pics comin'!

Greg

Still waiting word on that bulb option for the operas... I need that too...

Post a couple pics of what you are trying to do in the back. I need to see what you are talking about so I can come up with a solution. I see that other forum isn't being very helpful, as usual:mad:

looking good man

Jay, the opera lights came off a early to mid 70's caddy. Same style lamp, but a metal bezel, instead of plastic like the fleetwood coupes. And its a bulb similar to a 194 style, im not sure the exact kind but small like that. I thought it would have been a screw on and go, but its not. when you look at the roof when the lights are off, there are the 2 holes for the studs and screws, and a big one for the bulb part to fit threw. Well the older ones the screws are further apart, which isnt bad. But the bigger bulb hole has to be elongated, becasue is a few C*** hairs lower then the 80-85's And then the backs of them, the 80-85's are flush mounted. These older ones have some ribs on the back that probably recessed into the roof. So if i changed the holes i could put them on, but they wouldnt be flush against the top, there is a bit of a space between the roof and back of the lamp. So im going to try to cut the padding and vinyl away from that, but not cut too far, becasue i want to keep the original top. Its confusing by reading, but actually seeing the new lamps, you would understand. I have to find a way though, my old ones were toast. Do yours work?

Greg, yah my 90 had the queer little squares. Those are long gone. Thats a bonus to haveing 15 parts cars. Free parts upgrades. I added those, twilight, CD PLAYA the door courtesty lenses with the cadillac crest and wreath, instead of the little squares. I have a bunch of stuff i never got around to installing, that at this point i probably never will, like lighted vanity mirriors, dimming mirror, Gas door lock, trunk pull down, and a power pass seat from a 80;s brougham, that is on the side of the seat vs the door. Poor car.

I think the 90-92 burlwood reading lamps will fit right on. And now that i think about it, when i put them in my 90, they did light up when i opened the doors! Probably cuz the square ones did.

Jay, on the useless lay it low (nothing personal 96BigBody) i asked about the wood grains that are on the rear seat armrests. They are shorter in length. Its obvious that the only thing you can do is trim them down. But i was merly asking whats the best way to do it. What tool to use to cut it, but cut them clean. Where to cut, the center or one of the ends? Simple question on a VERY POPULAR car. Its not like im the first one doing this. And though i didnt get a response, i aparently offended someone by saying how much easier it is by starting with a triple black fleetwood coupe, vs making it a triple black delegance. As i was showing the picture of my door panel with the new wood.
Other then that all you get for responses is "PM me a price!" or a smile face. Ugh...


Here you go...
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Im going out to work on it now. I took a dash out of my 91 yesterday and its a dash harness nightmare. I belive the ECM ties into the dash harness. So im going to see what the back of my 81 dash looks like. These dash boards are really easy to take out too. As compared to my Lincoln. Drop the column via 2 bolts, take the top pad off, 4 screws up there, and 2 on each side and its pretty much out. The FSM tells you to take it all apart, take all the components out, but you really dont have to.

Got it. A pic is worth a thousand words. Or, at least twenty. lol

Use the 90 bezel at full length. Take two more 4 door bezels, and carefully dremel out the rear "stainless" piece (the one without the window switch). Take out the window switch from the pair that you are going to use, and replace the stainless piece that has the hole for the window switch with the part that you dremmeled out.

Done!:thumbsup:

Ohh man jay... what a mess over there! Ugh..

Im not trying to shrink the ashtray/stainless, but the woodgrain. I can just use the astray from the 81, but put the new wood around it.

IDK.. Somewhere i think one of us are confused. lol

Wait till I get some pics of these dashes... oo man.

No, I understand. I know you want to shrink the woodgrain. What I am saying is don't shrink it - use it as it is, but fill the hole where the window switch is. Make sense?

But then won't the rear woodgrain be oversized for the armrest? I do like the idea of "mirroring" the other half of the switch. but I guess that's what this guy did.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/photopost/watermark.php?file=5672&size=1

Cheers!
Greg

Yah, i want to keep it like the above pic. Idk.. i have so many bezels ill fool around with them see what i can do!

I dont like how the above car got the interior re done, no "fleetwood"scripted into the panels.

Thats what i mean jay, better to start with triple black then make it that way. All my interior panels are original, black, not died or recovered.

Guess they all cant be ballers like me, and start with a 81 triple black delegance, and have a 85 3x black delegance and 92 3x black delegance as parts cars, and the other few i have.
LoL I love it.


But i got my 81 dash down. i dont think this is going to work jay, atleast from this car with a 305. Im thinkin a 90 with a 307 may be easier, but i just got rid of that car, to Owen when he needed the motor. I remember my first parts car was a 90 with the 307, i took the dash out and harness and it still ran, i drove it to the junkyard. So since that was carburated i think the set up is a bit different. Ill post about it and pics later on tonight.

This is really my only hurtle. This dash. Worse comes to worse i can just splice the digital cluster in, but no radio or 90-92 center vents and wood grain. Then put in all the other wood grain.

This is where im afraid of cars. Wireing, behind dash boards... Harness, computers.. Its far from anything i know how to work on.
Body work, moon roofs, interior shit, i can do that no questions.

Me-

Great pic. Exactly what I was suggesting!

On a unrelated note, does anyone else hate the "90" style seat belts? I get why people do it (to get the complete "90s" conversion), but to me they just look tacky...

Well here is my big headache.

I took a dash down from a 91 yesterday, and today my 81. Jays idea of just splicing in the 90-92 stuff is looking good right now.

First we will start with the 81 harness.
This is the pass side, the ECM, and im not sure what the black thing next to it is though. You can see the wireing stops at the ECM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05850.jpg
Plugs going into the ECM
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This is the pass side kick panel junction box. There is one in the 91 dash too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05852.jpg
Overview shot. You can see the harness. The heater box on the fire wall looks the same.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05853.jpg
This is the radio area. The silver thing to the right is the radio. the silver box to the left of it im not sure. Its in the same spot that the 90-92 radio amp is located. so maby its a amp?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05855.jpg
Fuse block area. At the top of the pic you can see this BIG BIG plug..... Take note of that. It runs up to the top of the fuse box then IDK where after that.
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Here is the 91.
This is the ECM, you can also see the ABS module. This is the pass side of the dash. Remember that big plug on the drivers side of the 81? The 91 has one similar, but on the pass side. This flows from the dash harness then goes threw the firewall to the battery and also to the back of the motor?? So the harness doesnt just end like on the 81.
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Big plug again...
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Big plug, and you can see the junction block on the kick panel again.
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Here you can see where the other end of that plug comes out the fire wall. It is the big black one comming up from under the Blower motor case. It splits and also goes down to the Accesory batery pos connector. The 81 didnt have these. The thing in the red case.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05871.jpg

here is the 81 for reference.
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Top of the 91 dash on the pass side. ALOT less wires. The 81 is a nest on the drivers side.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05863.jpg
These are plugs from the amp from the 91 (seperate from the radio) THey dont tie into the 81 harness. Icouldnt even follow them to see where they go.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05864.jpg
Here is the dash harness comming from the fuse block on the 91
The 81 isnt as clean and simple as this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05865.jpg
91 fuse block
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05866.jpg




O man....

And here is a mystery hose comming from the 81 dash. The black thing next to the ECM i mentioned in the first pic. i have no clue what it goes to or what it is. Im hopeing you do Jay.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/DSC05876.jpg

Dude I wish you luck on your endeavor with that, as I'm in the same boat as you. Any cosmetics or any drivetrain stuff are easy but when it comes to mixing cars, I know nothing beyond stock. So you'll probably have to rig a bunch of stuff, stuff the factory never intended. You know, you could just dump the 350 drivetrain in from your parts Brougham, and not have to worry about this whole harness/dash/vent/etc issue. Would be even more authentic too.

Ok, let's see what we can do.

First, you want to keep ALL the 81 wiring. Then, you want to splice the later stuff into that harness. Did you figure out if the later radio was Bose? If not, it should not have an external amp.

So here is how I would get everything to work. I would take the HVAC head, the radio, and the speedo out of the parts car. I would leave the connectors attached to them, and cut out their harnesses with as much slack as possible. Then, I would start a spreadsheet with the wiring decoding for the 90 and the 81. I would fill in the chart for the 90 with the colour of the wire used, and the function, then create a corresponding column for the 81 and match the wire colour. I think you already have everything you need with the FSMs.

Once the spreadsheet is done, all you have to do is find the wires you need in the 81 harness and connect everything.

I can help with the spreadsheet if you want. This is how I did the Z28 cluster in my 95 Impala SS.

First, you want to keep ALL the 81 wiring. Then, you want to splice the later stuff into that harness. Did you figure out if the later radio was Bose? If not, it should not have an external amp.

No, the 90-92 Broughams all had separate "tuner boxes" while the head unit was just an interface with the radio that was inside the dash. It's commonly called an "amp" but it's not the same kind of amp that the bose radios got which was special to them. Besides, Bose was never offered in the 90-92s.

Greg

No, the 90-92 Broughams all had separate "tuner boxes" while the head unit was just an interface with the radio that was inside the dash. It's commonly called an "amp" but it's not the same kind of amp that the bose radios got which was special to them. Besides, Bose was never offered in the 90-92s.

Greg

Well, that's good news. Keep the tuner box plugged in to the head unit, then we just have to figure out what to connect everything to.

The Amp or tuner box doesnt plug directly into the radio. You can see i snaped a pic of them. Ill take a look to see where they go.

Nice ride! Me and my buddy are looking for some parts. He needs a heater box from a 90-92 fleetwood. And I need a whole doghouse from a 90-92 fleet. Please let me know what you have available @ brickbeats2007@gmail.com.


Thanx

Didnt do much to her this weekend. With easter today, and saturday i got roped in by mom to rake leaves... ugh...
I did find a source for the rear armrest wood grains.
1980-84 Olds Regency Coupes. Look to be more rare then Caddys. I dont know if the Delta 88's had em, as the regencys look to more follow the Fleetwood Coupes, and the Delta 88 be the Coupe deville of Cadillac.

I got a random PM in the lowrider form. I was told NOT to spill the info or people would get pissed. Bwahaha what a bunch of homos. It really is a big secret.
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Anyways....


Hopefully next weekend i can start on the dash components. Its going to be rough. Doing as Jay said, keep the 81 harness, and spice and swap in the radio and digital cluster. Rig the digital cluster to be able to work with the Turbo 400, as the analog is run by the cable.

I find it funny, when everyone parts these cars out, they play it all off like its plug and play. Im getting a first hand look on how its not. Something as simple as the headlight harness. Lol. One would think its the same, but GM switched the way the prongs in the plug went.
The weekend after that there will be 0 work done to it. As im going up to Montreal Canada! And make use of their legal drinking age. May even visit my boy Jay and see his collection. He is comming down on vacation this summer and is going to treck down here to pay a visit and pick up some seats.

Wooo hoooo! Road trip time:thumbsup:

We all know why you're really going to Montreal...:stirpot:

I know that Ninety-eight coupe; it's practically down the road! I know all about the dealer and everything. He has some really nice stuff. But I guess I won't spill it.. But is someone gonna buy that, Anthony? I hope it doesn't get low-ridden. The d-body Olds (98s) and Buicks (Electra) are even rarer than the Cadillacs, especially the coupes. I often time find myself eyeing Olds 98s and Elctras, since they're just as big as the Fleetwoods, but the interior is different for a change. Same big armrests and I love the buick dash w/ the airplane gauges. And the powerplants are better (compared to the 4100).

I know that Ninety-eight coupe; it's practically down the road! I know all about the dealer and everything. He has some really nice stuff. But I guess I won't spill it.. But is someone gonna buy that, Anthony? I hope it doesn't get low-ridden. The d-body Olds (98s) and Buicks (Electra) are even rarer than the Cadillacs, especially the coupes. I often time find myself eyeing Olds 98s and Elctras, since they're just as big as the Fleetwoods, but the interior is different for a change. Same big armrests and I love the buick dash w/ the airplane gauges. And the powerplants are better (compared to the 4100).


Is that the Hyundai dealer that has all the vintage Oldsmobiles on eBay? Where do they get them? Seems like a strange place to find such fine rides.

No he's not a Hyundai dealer. He's a Chrysler dealer. But I better not say any more...

He does have alot of Classics though... :drool:

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Black thing = baro sensor for the engine. At least that's what it looks like from that angle. It helps the ecm compensate for altitude changes.


Aaron-

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always liked these regencies, would make a nice lowrider :D

Damn I love those Olds'. There's an '80 Ninety Eight Coupe 10 minutes from my house for sale. Silver with astro-roof, burgundy cloth and 350 Buick gas engine. It's a rustbucket though. Loads of fill. Back bumper gone to hell and back. The guy wants $3500.00 firm. He's insane. There was a very solid, and super-clean brown Ninety Eight sedan for sale an hour from here that I almost bought. It was only $700.00! Brown and also with the astro-roof.

An '80 Olds isn't worth that much when you can kick through the body, or go through the floor, not yet anyway. Still... love these cars. There was a mint '84 coupe for sale around here too last summer... and it was truly mint. White with red inside, 40,000km's and another sunroof. Most of the Ninety Eights I've seen have had sunroofs... and barely any of the Caddies. What gives?

Have a good trip to Montreal, and have a drink for us here on the forum. I was there in the fall with some friends for a week and we had a real blast. Keep an eye peeled for this thing a few blocks from the Opus Hotel. Near the licqour store... so you'll probably see it... maybe your next parts car?

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Just some proof that Montreal is still Cadillac Country! Keep on the lookout, and good luck with your project, Antony. :thumbsup:

BroughamGeezer, Ill surely look for it!! Poor car! Even if i got it for free, it would be crazy for me to take it back. Id have to bring my truck and trailer up, then bringit back over the border. I was actually surfin montreals CL and found this....
http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/car/591416895.html

I tried emailing twice, ill prob give the number a call when im up there. It may be worth seeing. Maby its still avalible. I could buy it and stash it at jays house. Lol.

BUT tonight i took 2 german interns out to dinner, and on my way to the place guess what I found.
Right there sitting in the driveway to this old victorian house, waiting to be rescued, a 82-85 Black Fleetwood Coupe! Parts car def, its ROUGH. But all there. CALLING MY NAME!!! I knocked on the door but no answer. There was a phone number on the house, they must run a real estate co. from it. So ill give em a ring, and see if i can nab me parts car #16?, Black fleetwood Coupe parts car # 2!! 6 parts cars is better then having 5. And just further up the street i saw a white 95-97 Strech limo town car, like my old one. Again just chilling. So im going so see whats up with that too.

But man, when i saw that fleetwood, BLACK, COUPE!!!! I WAS PEEEING!!!! My german lady friends know my cadillac sickness....

Ill let you guys know.

But no progress today. It was COLD, and mother nature gave us a bit of snow the day before. Plus i had to get a bunch of parts off and ready to ship next week, as im off to canada THursDay!! Tomorrow is sopose to be better, but ill be at a basket ball game. Ugh...

Anthony-

Just wanted to let yah all know im still alive. I have been working on my Belair. Its almost done. I want to have it all back together so i can cruise in it this summer. My 81 will roll back into view when im done. And it wont be too much longer. I have been chock pileing parts. Got another coupe parts car, and im tracking down another car, a 91 wiht a factory CD player.

But anyways. I have just been focusing all my attention, time, and money :( on the 57. You will get pics when im done with it, and you will all agree with my choice in finishing it.

On top of all this im trying to work a deal on a 80 LeCabriolet down in TX. I REALLY dont need it, but i wont pass the chance up if its there.

Anthony-

I thought you had died!

Glad to hear you are keeping busy. I've been working on my SS, and it is out tearing up the streets now, so I can get going on my 81.

Le Cab FTW! Even if all you can resuse is the rack... you have lots of cars to put it in. Hmmm, a 500 would bolt right in place of that carbed 368:stirpot:

Pay my airfare, I'll fly down and drive it back for you!

So the 57 is complete, if you didnt see my post in the lounge... Ohh man what a bad ass car!!
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/142436-my-57-chevy-finally-done-so.html

Now im ready to tackle the Fleetwood Bro Huuum
Tossed a batter charger on her a few days ago... turned the key today. Like a f***ing champ she started right up. Let her run for 10 or so minutes, took her for a short drive and pulled her in the driveway. Im trying to figure out where i left off.

I think i should work on the moonroof, as the interior will all go together after that. Ill have to try to find the 92 that is donating the roof... ( i had to move all my parts cars. i had them stashed behind my grandmothers vacant house, well the negibors complained, so i moved them to a remote location on her 17 acre spread. Since then shit started growing.... so ill need a weedwacker... lol)
RedOctober can vouch for me, he lives right down the street. Its like a ****ing jungle.

From what i can tell the moonroof is in a assembly, and all based in a "tub" if you will. from the few i looked at a factory brougham astro assembly is basically glued to the sheetmetal roof. thats it. Nothing fancy at all. So ill seperate the adhesive (we have a nifty machine at the body shop to do this, clean it up, cut the hole in my roof (i think i have to remove and modify the braces that go across the roof on the coupe, and simply re-glue it with some Fusor metal panel epoxy. The same stuff used to glue 1/4 panels and similar on. Drain tubes, and some harness transfering, and BAM!!!!
THats how everything looks before we actually do it right?? haha...

Ill have to combine the original fleetwood coupe non sunroof headliner with a sedan moonroofed car, and somehow pull that out of my ass. But if i can put the sunroof in itself, i should be able to bust out some arts and crafts moves.

Ill be sure to take alot of pics... for all you who want to add a lovely assstro roof to your ride.

Im going to tie up some little things before i jump on a big project first though. Like wire up my front lights on the new clip, line up my new hood ect...

Ah, yes. The return of the greatest thread in the history of the internet. I was having withdrawal!

I think that all you will need to do for the headliner is cut out the chunks where the rear seat handles are. Then, splice in flat sections from a spare. Reinforce the back with something like shims or paint stir sticks, hot glued or siliconed in place. Then, recover with foam-backed fabric from the fabric store (you HAVE to get all the old foam off the board). You've seen the pics I posted on other threads, right?

<edit> I've changed my mind. Don't cut the sedan headliner. Fill the indentations where the handles etc (b pillars maybe) with something like a closed-cell foam. Cut a chunk to roughly fit the dent, glue it in place, then sand it to fit the contour of the board. This sounds better than splicing it together...

Can't wait to see the how-to, cause I want one too!

One month:D

hey man whats up with the 90 headlight bezels?

Haha Thanks jay.

Im poking around on my seats. I got a few choices there. Keep the triple black leather. Out of 3 cars with triple black delegance leather, only one has a MINT back seat. None have good enough fronts. SO i can either dye a mint dark blue set i have black. (my second set jay, lol)

Or have all the seats custom made in the gm cloth, black. I got one price so far. $1300 for just the covers, id have to install, remove my old ones for templates.

Im unsure. Leather is cheaper right now, as i only have to do some dying. I have a dark blue cloth set, but i have now been told by mroe then one source, that the material they used was polyester, and cant be dyed.

Ill try it though.




96Bigbody, i still have them if your intrested. Do you want one or both?

do you have a set? can you send me some quick pics SANCHEZ_826@msn.com how much for them shipped to 97045? also will you take a money order?

Go leather. That's a lot of change for seat covers.

Would you happen to have a rear bumper or both front and rear for the 81 fleet. Good condition with no dents.??????

So i was doing a little tinkering with the coupe today....

But i stumbed upon this photo i had on my phone from its 10 year resting spot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/towncar097/81%20Fleetwood%20Brougham%20Coupe/untitled-1.jpg

I worked on the door panels. I have all the wood done except for the rear ash trays, which i think im just going to trim down.

I have my moonroof car ready to be cut open. I just have to tow it here to work on, as my "storage" place is electricty less and bug infested.

I was so pleased that the top wasnt torn on the car (the org. vinyl top on the 81), but i cant seem to get any gloss back out of it. Its dead flat black. I tried a few times a armor all like product, but it just died out again. But then i thought of maby covering it in black canvas instead???

Anywhich way im about to cut a hole in the roof for a factory caddy astro!!!!

Very cool. Glad to see you back to work. Can't wait to see the pics on the astro install!

As for the top, just hit it with a fresh coat of SEM. It will look brand new. You can spray it at the shop...