Hello,
We had a chance to check out the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V here in Detroit. The vehicle looks great in person. We have attached a few images from the show. They also have a cut away of the new motor. There are quite a few things that are of interest when viewing.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/IMG_2851.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/IMG_2856.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/IMG_2850.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/Picture007.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/Picture006.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/Picture005.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/Picture004.jpg
More details to come.

Thanks,

Dr. Design

Very nice. :thumbsup:

Thanks for posting

Awesome. I can't wait to see one.

So, did you bust anyone's ball in regards to the Hypereutectic Pistons?:)

We'd all love to hear GM's response!:tisk:

Are those the recaro seats. I would think the auto show car would be full dress.

they look like they are...

Are those the recaro seats. ...I was thinking the same thing. Hard to tell if the bolsters are really that dramatically better ... just can't tell ...

I'm goin' on Monday. I'll check 'em out.

Would LOVE to have better support in my '05. Wonder if they'd bolt right in?:skeptical:




(BTW: Your avatar is in my top five! Is that a UPS driver?)

Recaro seats are NOT standard, they are an option. As far as the pistons, we have a meeting with GM tomorrow and we'll keep everyone updated on the results. Thank you.

Recaro seats are NOT standard, they are an option. As far as the pistons, we have a meeting with GM tomorrow and we'll keep everyone updated on the results. Thank you.

What do you think the chances are they will give you folks any indication of pricing for the vehicle ? Expected MSRP base and / or fully optioned ?

Estimated pricing is between high 50's and low 60's. We'll try to confirm tomorrow in our meeting with GM.

more pics
http://picasaweb.google.com/LusterBlade/MyPictures

http://lh6.google.com/LusterBlade/R46kJZP6uAI/AAAAAAAACW0/kRe3X7CbV-Q/s800/DE08Car047_219_01.jpg

http://lh4.google.com/LusterBlade/R46k-5P6udI/AAAAAAAACac/q2octt0hAJE/s800/DE08Car047_247_01.jpg

http://lh6.google.com/LusterBlade/R46kiZP6uOI/AAAAAAAACYk/p3vtvPNf7RE/s800/DE08Car047_021_01.jpg

I hate to be "that guy"..........no, I really do, but the wheels they decided to go with are just plain weak.

Great job on the pics, BTW.

lusterblade . . . you da man! :highfive:

I'm trying not to have covetous and lustful thoughts about the '09V for fear my trouble-free '04V, hibernating in the garage, will read my thoughts and . . . . :hide:

I hate to be "that guy"..........no, I really do, but the wheels they decided to go with are just plain weak.

Great job on the pics, BTW.

I agree with you on this one. But what really counts is that they're 5 lug, so swapping them out will be much easier.

Already thinking of wheels:)

nice pics. look forward to more info!!

thanks!!

Are those the recaro seats. I would think the auto show car would be full dress.

Those are Recaros. You can almost make out "recaro" on the chrome tag above the seat controls. What is not evident in photos is that the thigh bolsters are most likely rock hard (I know they are in my BMW). You do not want full race eggshells with limited adjustments in a street car. Recaro Sports are perfect.

To those that have seen it in person - how does that steering wheel look / feel?

I wonder if it would be possible to replace that fake-suede microfiber on the steering wheel with good old hard leather. The more pictures I see, the more that steering wheel looks like it's screaming for fuzzy dice.

I love the suede wheel. Regular leather sucks ass.

No heated rear seats?

More pics. VERY COOL IN PERSON! :drool:

How do the wheels look in person?

How do the wheels look in person?

They remind me of the same quality as the "H" spoke wheels on the Viper, great looking up until you get within 5 feet to see some of the cloudiness of the polishwork. Lots of BRIGHT lighting revealed this though. Overall, many people have a problem with them , I personally think they are great. The new front cailpers look KILLER! :yup: In my opinion it would be cool to see a set of these in BLACK CHROME. Black wheels scream that "just got off the racetrack" look, and the chrome would compliment Cadillac's motif.

at least they got smart and opted for a 5 lug this time

As I stated before, I don't care for the wheels. Somewhere between the Shelby and SS Camaro wheels. Easy fix though. Finally saw the picture that I was looking for..........rear differential. Is it camouflaged somehow? Can't seem to make it out in the picture.

Someone get a pic of the pulley set up!!!

I have been predicting all along that you can get one for an invoice of $56K or below.

;-)

it'll be like anything else, sticker+ for the first few months until all the gottahaveitnows get theirs
then they will discount the crap out of them

probably be alot of folks replacing the wheels now that they are 5lug

....rear differential. Is it camouflaged somehow? Can't seem to make it out in the picture.
I don't see it either. I saw the video of their driving the thing out onto the turntable, but could they have taken it out? I see two patches of something on the rear part of the exhaust; could this be where it is supposed to be?

Conspiracy theorists please weigh in...

eh, maybe it's just the strange angle/perspective of the picture. There is that black hunk of something in there that could be cast iron I guess.

Its actually really nice! Feels great and offers positive grip. Typically micro suede gets moist, but they seem to have figured something out for that. Again very nice in person!

Thanks,

Dr. Design

To those that have seen it in person - how does that steering wheel look / feel?

I wonder if it would be possible to replace that fake-suede microfiber on the steering wheel with good old hard leather. The more pictures I see, the more that steering wheel looks like it's screaming for fuzzy dice.

On the new CTSV they are using a different carrier for the rear diff. This is why you dont see the traditional rear end cover, but the large black cast mount. Its in there, they just added additional support.

Thanks,

Dr. Design

I don't see it either. I saw the video of their driving the thing out onto the turntable, but could they have taken it out? I see two patches of something on the rear part of the exhaust; could this be where it is supposed to be?

Conspiracy theorists please weigh in...

I love my black on black '05, but will almost certainly be selling or trading it to get one of these bad boys!
For what it's worth: I love the Suede wheel.

I don't see it either. I saw the video of their driving the thing out onto the turntable, but could they have taken it out? I see two patches of something on the rear part of the exhaust; could this be where it is supposed to be?

Conspiracy theorists please weigh in...

I think the carrier is so beefy now you cannot see the diff as well as before.

The new diff seems to have a rear, center mounted large "knuckle" supporting it. It appears to be similar to the new CTS4 style. I would think that someone on this forum has help on this.:noidea:

I was in Detroit yesterday specifically to drool over the new CTS-V. I took my own pix, but they are similar to those posted here.

The Recaro sport seats look comfortable, but my "old" rear will probably opt for the regular seat. I saw, but could not touch, the suede steering wheel. While I understand the idea behind it, it would probably work out best in a garage queen; this car would likely be my DD and so a nice, traditional steering wheel cover (perforated leather?) would be great.

But other than that, the car is droolworthy. I can't wait to do a test drive next fall.

Estimated pricing is between high 50's and low 60's. We'll try to confirm tomorrow in our meeting with GM.

Any word from this ?

Any word from this ?


Wondering that myself. Somebody had posted a thread about the V at Detroit being listed at 72k. However, I haven't heard that from anywhere else.

Wondering that myself. Somebody had posted a thread about the V at Detroit being listed at 72k. However, I haven't heard that from anywhere else.

There's nothing official yet, and probably won't be anything solid till sometime close to actual production of the car. Guesses range from the low 60s up to the low 70s.

Based on the information we were supplied with, the $62K amount is pretty accurate. Certainly dont think you would see it go into the $70K range in its current trim.
Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac

Any word from this ?

The new diff seems to have a rear, center mounted large "knuckle" supporting it. It appears to be similar to the new CTS4 style. I would think that someone on this forum has help on this.:noidea:

What- like this?

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/34561d1187791914-09-v-rumour-thread-get-ur-100_0511.jpg

What- like this?

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/34561d1187791914-09-v-rumour-thread-get-ur-100_0511.jpg

Yes. But the knuckle area is not as wide as that, and I looked to see if the diff looks like a transmission (like that one), but no, it appeared to be smaller and normal proportioned like ours.

I think the perspective might be throwing you off a bit here, because replace that aluminum diff with a cast iron one and you've got the V. The rear support bracket and subframe are identical.

Keep in mind that MSRP is exactly that...manufacturer's suggested retail price. I have never paid sticker or close to sticker for any car I have ever purchased in my life and don't plan to on the 2009 CTS-V. My order for a 2009 CTS-V and 2009 Escalade goes in to my Cadillac dealer in March the day GM's ordering opens up and my dealer knows that they can't charge me anything more than their invoice pricing. This has already been established.

SG

I think the perspective might be throwing you off a bit here, because replace that aluminum diff with a cast iron one and you've got the V. The rear support bracket and subframe are identical.

Maybe... I guess.

That certainly looks beefy, but I don't like the looks of the giant bushing on the right. I'm sure GM has sorted this one out. Nothing has been complained about by owners, prospective owners and the automotive press, more than the rear differential and hopping suspension. I'm certain that this has been addressed. Heaven help 'em if I'm wrong.

That would be a very good assumption. It is possible with the first V some doubted Caddy owners would do 5K sitesteps. It is now understood that they do that, mods, and more. Nobody is going to officially engineer for more than stock power, but the idea that the whole system is engineered with...ahem...*significant margin* is reasonable.

Based on the information we were supplied with, the $62K amount is pretty accurate.

This is what I was told by the Caddy folks manning the CTS-V area when I was there Saturday. :)

I am hoping the price pans out.

That would be a very good assumption. It is possible with the first V some doubted Caddy owners would do 5K sitesteps. It is now understood that they do that, mods, and more. Nobody is going to officially engineer for more than stock power, but the idea that the whole system is engineered with...ahem...*significant margin* is reasonable.

You don't have to go anywhere near 5K rpms to get the rear a hoppin. I wouldn't even think about droppin the clutch at those tach levels. A quick let out at even 2K can get it boppin around. Forget that just full throttle or even 3/4 throttle from idle can get the rear end livid.

I think if you guys are expecting a hard and smooth launching, hop free drag-racer, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you guys are expecting a hard and smooth launching, hop free drag-racer, you are going to be disappointed.

I agree, and quite honestly am glad that it won't be "a hard and smooth launching, hop free drag-racer". I would much rather the V be something much more respectable like the outstanding track car that it is.

You stiffen the rear end too much and you might as well have a solid rear axle, which is great for drag strip launches, but horrible for things like the Nurburgring and cutting through anything but a level corner.



Fortunately, the V will be equipped with the latest version of MagneRide, which is as close as you can get to both worlds. I think it will do a respectable job launching (at least a better job than the previous generation) without losing the handling advantages gained with an independent rear.

MRC makes a drag launch possible without giving up handling or stiffening the rear. A simple program in the PCM that detects a drag launch (0mph, followed by revving in first gear) can be calibrated to stiffen the rear shocks to 100% jounce and no rebound, which would make for a great peel & go. Once you're moving, the realtime damping control takes back over.

They're doing it on the ZR-1, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it on the CTS-V.

Tony beat my edit. :p

I think if you guys are expecting a hard and smooth launching, hop free drag-racer, you are going to be disappointed.


really? Maybe I am naive, but that is exactly what I expect. My sts-v is a GREAT launcher and so is my SRT8. No wheel hop at all. If Caddy can produce it in one car, as can Chrysler..why shouldn't they produce it in the "fastest american sedan" ever made??

For the STS and imports vs. V, it s the grunt engine vs. high end engine. 4v's are easy to launch.

as can Chrysler..




Urb!!!! Why do we have to keep listening to SRT strokers here?



Dont get me started on the SRTbrick. That is what Cadillac has turned the CTS-V into. Paddle shifters and all. :ack:

MRC makes a drag launch possible without giving up handling or stiffening the rear. A simple program in the PCM that detects a drag launch (0mph, followed by revving in first gear) can be calibrated to stiffen the rear shocks to 100% jounce and no rebound, which would make for a great peel & go. Once you're moving, the realtime damping control takes back over.

They're doing it on the ZR-1, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it on the CTS-V.

they have it on the E46 M3's too... although if you do it more than 5 times it sets "abuse mode" in the PCM and it voids the warranty

now that sounds just dumb enough to be bmw

Urb!!!! Why do we have to keep listening to SRT strokers here?



Dont get me started on the SRTbrick. That is what Cadillac has turned the CTS-V into. Paddle shifters and all. :ack:

quit your whining. I am entitled to my opinion, and since I drive a STS-V, can lend some decent input.

I have two GMs and two chryslers in my garage....hardly an SRT stroker. Besides, I have a deposit on the new V so get used to it.

quit your whining. I am entitled to my opinion


So is he. :thumbsup:

The following has been played out on this forum so many times I've lost count. :yup:

No, I love cars more.

No, I love cars more.

No, me.

No, me.

Troll.

Bully.

Idiot.

Ban 'em!

Play nice.

I'm sorry.

The following has been played out on this forum so many times I've lost count. :yup:

No, I love cars more.

No, I love cars more.

No, me.

No, me.

Troll.

Bully.

Idiot.

Ban 'em!

Play nice.

I'm sorry.

Hilarious! Well CVP, you and I go way back to your days on the "other' forum. You know I'm just a car lover!

What does this have to do with the new CTS-V?

What does this have to do with the new CTS-V?


well it started as my comments about how I thought it (new cts-v) could launch well, but it got sideways because I had the audacity to say that both my sts-v Caddy and my god forsaken Chrysler srt8 have figured that out already.....sorry for the distraction.

What does this have to do with the new CTS-V?

My post count and join date mean that I love cars more than you! :sneaky:

Here we go again!:lildevil:

My post count and join date mean that I love cars more than you! :sneaky:

Here we go again!:lildevil:

no you dont.


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My post count and join date mean that I love cars more than you! :sneaky:

Here we go again!:lildevil:

Post whore!

Seems someone is busy sitting in front of the computer while someone else is out DRIVING!!! I'd say THAT guy loves cars more... ;)

Seems someone is busy sitting in front of the computer while someone else is out DRIVING!!! I'd say THAT guy loves cars more... ;)


I don't drive after dark. Easier to see the scenery blur in the daytime. :lildevil:

so if you have all these expensive cars "in your garage" why are you complaining that Cadillac cannot build an all-in-one dragracer/track-star/luxo-cruiser? :cookoo:
seems to me you should have a car for every occasion

never complained. I simply responded to your post, sincerely, where you thought the new V might not be a great launcher. I would bet you know more about the mechanics of the V than I, so I basically said I might be naive (again, sincere) and complimented the fact that caddy and that other car company have figured out how to make a high HP car launch pretty well (referring to my sts-v).

Granted, while the sts-v is a great car, it is no cts-v especially in the handling department.

its all good..obviously I am a BIG fan of the current Vs, and the future, and a sucker for fast sedans.:o

Post whore!


Damn, who let you out of your box?:D

good thing I am not an admin
every mention of bmw or srt would earn an automatic ban

thats why you are not an admin:lildevil:

But he has tweaked urby's panel. :alchi:

So is he. :thumbsup:

No one ever said he wasn't, Tony. But this remark:

"Urb!!!! Why do we have to keep listening to SRT strokers here?"

earned Jimmy the "quit your whining" remark. Sometimes you whine and get called on it. That's life. Deal with it.

Obviously I am in the minority here. I will stay out and never return.

Damn, who let you out of your box?:D

doubt it was him, i bet blackout used his account when he was banned

I just wanted to remind everyone (and yes this is in the wrong section) that D3's 2008 CTS will be at the Chicago Auto Show next month. We'll post pictures around that time as well. Thanks!