: One little thing that bugs me... no push button start!



mole177
01-14-08, 07:10 PM
The XLR has it... why can't the new cts-v have it ??:annoyed:

That and a full sweep calibration with the gauges before the engine starts.

thebigjimsho
01-14-08, 07:17 PM
The XLR has it... why can't the new cts-v have it ??:annoyed:

That and a full sweep calibration with the gauges before the engine starts.Because they wanted to keep the price near $60k. And because GM realized it's ghey.

Crown Vic Owner
01-14-08, 07:26 PM
Im sorry, pushbuttons take away the "american badass" feel of the car.

wrazor1
01-14-08, 07:32 PM
my current car has it. i love not having a key. I wish it had it too.

chesrowncadillac
01-14-08, 07:44 PM
Have you looked at the new CTS. I have on on the lot with the keyless access. You keep the fob in your pocket and just turn the switch that is where the key would go.
Instead of push button, it is a switch that I prefer. My E55 had the button on the top of shifter. I would always turn the car off by accident. With the switch it will not happen.
So, you don't need a key-just the fob.
Can't wait to have these to sell.
David

OldRoadDawg
01-14-08, 07:53 PM
Have you looked at the new CTS. I have on on the lot with the keyless access. You keep the fob in your pocket and just turn the switch that is where the key would go.
Instead of push button, it is a switch that I prefer. My E55 had the button on the top of shifter. I would always turn the car off by accident. With the switch it will not happen.
So, you don't need a key-just the fob.
Can't wait to have these to sell.
David
I'm ready for a nice "executive driven" 2009 CTS-V
And . . . an ordinary key in the ignition would be just fine with me :lildevil:

mole177
01-15-08, 01:27 AM
Im sorry, pushbuttons take away the "american badass" feel of the car.

nascar has something like it! :yup:

that's american badass at its best.

Crown Vic Owner
01-15-08, 01:47 AM
Nope, i mean. The V is supposed to be a BIG american SPORTS sedan, correct.


What was the last RWD american car that had a big v8 and weighed 2 tons that had a push button start?

thefred
01-15-08, 09:48 AM
What was the last RWD american car that had a big v8 and weighed 2 tons that had a push button start?

STS-V:lildevil:

Crown Vic Owner
01-15-08, 10:20 AM
Im sorry, EXCEPT that.

mole177
01-15-08, 12:39 PM
:lol:

onebadcad
01-15-08, 02:12 PM
Like many things, not a fan of it until you have it, works nice in the C6.

CIWS
01-15-08, 02:48 PM
Like many things, not a fan of it until you have it, works nice in the C6.


:yeah:

Didn't think I'd care for it / want it in a car. Now that I've had it in the STS-V, it's a really nice feature. Key FOB stays in the pocket and I can walk up to the car and simply pull on the door handle or lift up on the trunk lid and it opens from a locked state. Get in the car and push the start button to go, get out of the car and walk away and it locks. Simply no need to remove the FOB from my pocket or fumble for a key to get in or started if in a hurry. Not to mention the remote start capability as well.

Jon
01-15-08, 05:54 PM
No offence, but if little things like this are standing out to you, you probably shouldn't be even considering a CTS-V.

Vrocks
01-16-08, 12:23 PM
I heard the '08 CTS doesn't use a button for safety reasons. They were being inadvertantely pressed, shutting the car off while rolling, etc. They tweaked it a little in the '07 STS, where you had to hold it down for a second or two to turn off the car (before that it was nearly instantaneous).

The '08 CTS has keyless start, you just turn the chromed "key" that's always in the steering column. It works great and it behaves like a normal key... Unfortunately for me, my CTS doesn't have this (due to constraints) and after getting use to it... not having it sucks some major Alcantara click this link (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/128124-another-shot-interior-3.html#post1361245).

WishfulThinking
01-16-08, 01:37 PM
What was the last RWD american car that had a big v8 and weighed 2 tons that had a push button start?

When the key-switch broke on my `77 LTD, I wired the solenoid to the horn. Does that count? :rolleyes:

Crown Vic Owner
01-16-08, 03:22 PM
Yes, lol.


Ill consider that valid.

theformer
01-16-08, 10:22 PM
That and a full sweep calibration with the gauges before the engine starts.

The '08 loaner that I just had did a sweep of the gauges along with a "glow" as part of the start up sequence.

mole177
01-17-08, 02:49 AM
sweep as in gauges go from 0-8 x1000 rpm then back to 0? ooh... that rocks!

Kadonny
01-17-08, 09:43 AM
I agree with CIWS. Once you have the keyless fob, you never want anything else. The best feature to me is the automatic locking, close the door and walk away.

JimmyH
01-17-08, 12:12 PM
Because they wanted to keep the price near $60k. And because GM realized it's ghey.

OMG I agree with TBJS on something

tomm
01-17-08, 12:59 PM
I love the keyless entry in my STS.. Never need to even touch the FOB.. Lift the door handle with the fob in your pocket and the doors automatically unlock.. Same for the trunk. Its more than just not needing a key to start it. Its a cool feature and should atleast be an option on all newer cars.

JimmyH
01-17-08, 01:02 PM
a guy I know with an Altima was driving with his dad one day. he dropped his dad off somewhere (who had the fob) and went somewhere else. when he got where he was going he shut off the engine, got out and realized he didnt have the fob, and was stranded.

try that with a traditional key.

Katshot
01-17-08, 01:20 PM
STS-V:lildevil:

He said a BIG V8, not a baby V8.
And as for the push button, I think I'm with Big Jim. My father-in-law has one on his Lexus and I usually drive it once a week. I really don't like it. And if you REALLY want to get an ear-full, ask a carwash owner how much he likes them.

50 4Ever
01-17-08, 01:28 PM
a guy I know with an Altima was driving with his dad one day. he dropped his dad off somewhere (who had the fob) and went somewhere else. when he got where he was going he shut off the engine, got out and realized he didnt have the fob, and was stranded.

try that with a traditional key.

I have never done that but I have locked the keys in my car several times. A few months ago I a garbage truck came over to my side of the road and hit me, I stopped and got out with the engine running and shut the door... yep, it was locked. So thete I was in the number two lane with my Corvette running and the doors locked. Took AAA 45 minutes to get there. :eek:

I have driven C6's at Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch and I love the pushbutton start.

Overall I really like the new CTS-V..

JimmyH
01-17-08, 01:34 PM
None of my recent cars would let me lock the doors with the key in the ignition.

CIWS
01-19-08, 05:35 PM
My doors locked simply when I walk away from the car with the FOB in my pocket. If I leave it in the car they don't lock and the horn honks 3 times to let me know I've done that. Try that with a key system.

ewill3rd
01-20-08, 11:03 AM
You guys really don't want a pushbutton start, it is a pain if you ask me.
I mean it is okay and neat and all, but the new CTS ('08) setup is good with the remote in your pocket and a rotating switch in the column. The base models require a key as they have a standard lock cylinder.
The keyless system with the rotating switch is the best setup GM has if you ask me.

Oh and they did change the "off" settings for the pushbutton start. It used to be instantaneous, but for '07 they reprogrammed them and you have to hold it in the "off" position for like 3 seconds. Okay I guess except I was used to the old way and once I left a car running for a loooooooong time because I thought I had turned it off.

HiTechRV
01-20-08, 05:01 PM
Once you've had it you won't want to live without it. My STS had it. As the other poster said, it's the auto lock (und unlock if I remember right?) that is THE feature. You end up disliking every other car once you have this it is so convenient. Your fob never has to leave your pocket. This also is what you get used to. Over the life of this body style it will become standard on entry level luxury cars.

CIWS
01-20-08, 05:56 PM
You guys really don't want a pushbutton start, it is a pain if you ask me.
I mean it is okay and neat and all, but the new CTS ('08) setup is good with the remote in your pocket and a rotating switch in the column.

Keyless / FOB is really what I'm a fan of now. Whether a button to push or switch to rotate isn't really the important factor for me. It's the FOB function I've grown to really like.

neuronbob
01-20-08, 07:57 PM
I have a FOB with keyless entry/start on my current car. I'd miss it on the CTS-V, but with 550 hp/torque I think I can live without it. :)

ewill3rd
01-21-08, 07:09 AM
I can't imagine them not using the transmitter start with no key option, whatever it is called.
I would also assume this will have remote start, maybe even with a manual transmission if the vehicle is left in neutral with the parking brake applied. Not sure I'd want to park a stick like that.
First thing I learned driving a stick was always park it in gear in case the park brake doesn't hold well.
Not sure, anything I can say would be speculation at this point, you guys have done more research than I have.
Too busy fixing the older ones to worry about the ones that aren't out yet!
:D

JimmyH
01-21-08, 12:01 PM
This is one of those love it/hate it issues. They should make pushbutton start a separate solo option. I WILL NOT buy a car that has it. (unless I have to :))

cguthrie
01-21-08, 12:06 PM
While I personally enjoy the push button start, the real world issues include:
>Car gets stuck at the wash - fob in my pocket
>Wife goes nuts trying to get into car in garage, no fob in her pocket
>Valet drop off includes a training session on how to work the system, you wonder if the car was left in acc mode all night...

With the manual, someone would do the remote start and wreck their car and sue GM... BTW, how do they do it with the vettes, just delete the remote start functionality on the manuals?

Very excited about this car...

CG
2005 STS 1SG 36K

HiTechRV
01-21-08, 10:29 PM
LOL you can believe remote start is not going to work in gear unless there a MAJOR SW problem.

Katshot
01-22-08, 07:27 AM
Remote start is one thing I won't have on any of my cars. Seen too many aftermarket installs cause all kinds of crazy issues. And besides that, I truly believe that these technologies only serve to separate us from our cars. Personally, I LOVE starting my car. LOVE that initial roar from the engine! I guess if I wasn't a performance enthusiast, starting the car would roughly equate to flipping a light switch on but I AM a performance enthusiast so screw the technologies which don't further my one on one association with my car! I'll keep my key AND my manual trans thank-you.

concorso
01-23-08, 11:17 PM
http://www.fast-autos.net/view/32550 The SLR McLaren has a push-button start in the gear-shift knob. I could live with this version. But I'll still have the key over a normal push-button start.

JimmyH
01-24-08, 11:54 AM
The Mazdaspeed6 also has the pushbutton on the shifter. And the biggest fricking fob I have ever seen.

ctsvett
01-30-08, 01:16 AM
how do we know it wont be an option?

Thats my guess!

Reed

ewill3rd
01-30-08, 07:07 AM
I have been wondering why people expend so much energy complaining about a car that isn't even built yet.
Seems like now is the time to rest up so you can complain about everything when they actually come out.
:D

This thread reminds me of what my wife does to me, she complains about the stuff I do wrong even though I haven't even done it wrong yet!

Katshot
01-30-08, 07:55 AM
Agreed. I think I mentioned in one early post about the car that we're doing little more than bench-racing. Guesses on top of assumptions, one after another. It IS kind of funny when you stop and think about it.