I saw the news the 09 CTS V will have 550 horses!
Will they even make a STS V in 09? Given the higher price I suppose Cadillac is going to have give it 600+ horses? Maybe the v12 is coming out early... Now that would be a surprise.

They will have to do something!

My service manager @ my dealership said the STS will be removed from the Cadillac fleet because of the increase in size of the CTS. Supposedly Caddy will also build a new DTS car that is rear wheel drive to take on the 7 series BMW @ the S class mercedes.

Being that the STS is leaving, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no 2009 STS-V. The STS and DTS are being replaced by one new rear wheel drive vehicle almost the same size as the DTS..

With the new CAFE standards now on the visible horizon, I don't think you'll see a lot of engineering time plowed into bigger horsepower motors. The CTS-V and the STS-V are different machines for different drivers and I don't think there will be a big push to make sure the STS makes more power than the CTS. If the push is to outperform everything in the price/size class, Caddy will have to contend with the new Nissan Skyline GTR, and I don't see how they can do it.

The STS is a iron first in a velvet glove, nicely placed 75% of the way up between a Jag R-type and an M5. I don't find the additional performance in the M5 to be anything remotely useable in the real world. If I want pure performance I'll drive my shifter kart, which can stomp any M5 for a whole lot less money.

no more sts models after 08......we are a dying breed!!!

Didn't GM state that the STS will be gone AFTER the 2009 model year?

They are barely making any 2008 STS-Vs as it is now and I don't know why. They are selling every single one they make.

I think the 2009 CTS-V will be a hit and will be in huge demand, so if anyone wants one, they better get on the list NOW!

SG

STSv is gonzo......

F

STSv is gonzo......

F

I thought that was Ted Nugent....


;)

WTF?

No new STS V? I was hoping for a Super Charged 427!

There is a definite need for a 4 door performance luxury sedan by an American owned manufacturer. A whole bunch more people would be forced to go to the foreign dealers..

i think there may be hope for an sts comeback...look at this cts...

thats a CTS coupe. I suspect IF there is a new STS(v) it will be on the Zeta platform.


F

I suspect IF there is a new STS(v) it will be on the Zeta platform.


F

Wonder if it will host LSA S/C ?

Maybe the Zeta platform with the Aussie V12 for a V?

It's possible.. it would be a step above the Vette motor in the CTS

The 2009 STS-V will exist, it will have the HP bumped up to 520.:)

http://forums.roadandtrack.com/cars/board/message?board.id=61&thread.id=8038

The 2009 STS-V will exist, it will have the HP bumped up to 520.:)

http://forums.roadandtrack.com/cars/board/message?board.id=61&thread.id=8038
That info is a little old and and not quite accrate. It was posted in August 2006 and it said the 2009 CTS-V would be 420hp. We know that is wrong...so I don't have much faith in the rest of that post....

8/28/06.....solid info there :<


F

What, that's only 18 months old, what's the prob?

Given the recent information we just got. Dont expect to see anything happen with the STSV until it becomes merged with the DTS. The STSV as you know it will be replaced by the CTSV. At this time there are still no indications that the replacement STS/DTS will have a V-Series variant. You guys have a very unique and rare vehicle. Just FYI.
Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac

It would be wise and more cost effective for GM to drop in the same powertrain of the CTS-V into the STS-V and XLR-V. More power for less money and they could sell the STS-V and XLR-V for far less money and move more product until they merge the STS with the next gen DTS/STS vehicle replacement. Who knows, the newfound demand may change GM's mind so they don't get rid of our awesome cars.

It seems like they are producing close to zero of the 2008 STS-V and XLR-V. I haven't seen any at any dealerships or on the road.

SG

My local dealership has moved a few 08 STS-Vs, had one there when I bought this one. There were also a couple of XLR-Vs there with the chrome wheels, but not sure if they were 07 or 08.

It seems like they are producing close to zero of the 2008 STS-V and XLR-V. I haven't seen any at any dealerships or on the road.

SG

My dealership has sold 2 of the '08 STS-V in the last 3 months. Manager called me to see if I wanted to test drive one when it arrived, but he sold it before I had a chance to get over there. I just wanted to see the HUD in action, but no big deal. I like my V without the junk fender louvers better.

Bob

Hello Aero1,
Some of us just got back from a meeting in Detroit. I think it is safe to say they (Cadillac) have already started looking beyond the current model STSV unfortunately. With 2 model years left in the books, including this year, it would be safe to say they wont even think about any additional revisions or increases in power.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac



It would be wise and more cost effective for GM to drop in the same powertrain of the CTS-V into the STS-V and XLR-V. More power for less money and they could sell the STS-V and XLR-V for far less money and move more product until they merge the STS with the next gen DTS/STS vehicle replacement. Who knows, the newfound demand may change GM's mind so they don't get rid of our awesome cars.

It seems like they are producing close to zero of the 2008 STS-V and XLR-V. I haven't seen any at any dealerships or on the road.

SG

The CTS-V auto is targeted at STS-V owners.

Yeah seeing how the STS / STS-V will be going away, the new CTS and CTS-V will be taking up some of that market.

makes our already limited production vehicles that much more exclusive.

F

I know they were originally projecting 2000 units per year, but I'd be interested to know actual production numbers.

Will DTS/STS replace with sixteen?

WTF?

No new STS V? I was hoping for a Super Charged 427!

There is a definite need for a 4 door performance luxury sedan by an American owned manufacturer. A whole bunch more people would be forced to go to the foreign dealers..
The new, larger CTS-V replaces the STS-V as a perfectly fine 4 door performance luxury sedan.

Will DTS/STS replace with sixteen?
There will be no Cadillac Sixteen. The STS and DTS will be replaced by a new model slightly favoring the STS to the DTS. In time, there will be a newer model larger than the STS/DTS replacement for people who favor the characteristics of the DTS.

The new, larger CTS-V replaces the STS-V as a perfectly fine 4 door performance luxury sedan.

Yeah, but its got a chevy V8 in it. Somehow, that just ain't right.

A *Corvette* SUPERCHARGED V8 - that's better than right. I wish they had not dumbed down the cam for the typical luxury car buyer. Although strictly speaking the LSA is Cadillac CTS-V specific.

The first V with that Z06 cam made amazing sounds, despite the very few unwashed who thought it had a "rough idle" LOL. A quarter in the high 11's and 0-60 in the high 3's? World's fastest sedan a Cadillac? Now THAT's right ;-)

There will be no Cadillac Sixteen. The STS and DTS will be replaced by a new model slightly favoring the STS to the DTS. In time, there will be a newer model larger than the STS/DTS replacement for people who favor the characteristics of the DTS.
I went to a focus group last month that was clearly put on by Cadillac. They had us looking at cars that were between the DTS and STS in size and appeal. You could see some of the Sixteen flavor in the designs, including a long hood that could accomadate a V-12 or V-16. They asked our opinions about such technology. I have heard talk of a "Sixteen like" vehicle with a V12 developed from 2 DI V6's

I want to see Sixteen on roads! Amazing car!

I have heard talk of a "Sixteen like" vehicle with a V12 developed from 2 DI V6's

With the new CAFE laws now in place, such a car seems even more unlikely than it was when gas was $1.75/gallon. It seems more likely that we'll see developments along the line of the Tahoe hybrid, maybe with a small fuel cell to extend the electric-only range. I personally question the long term economic and environmental benefits of such technologically complex vehicles, but I think this is where we are going. And if GM has to allocate R&D resources to meeting CAFE regs, that is all the less $$ available for low-volume, low-mileage engines like a V12.

In regards to the CTS-V - 550hp with your choice of stick or automatic. With launch control this will be a potent vehicle for sure. It would have been nice if the 620hp version could have been placed in the STS-V but I know I'm dreaming & rambling. Got to love the HP wars while we can before it's too late. Rumor has it the Viper will be toast.

Odds are the 09V will come out with a little more than 550hp when they are done tuning it. But like any performance car the owner will almost certainly be able to mod and tune it within a year of it being released. So 600hp models with very little modification doesn't seem a stretch.

According to my dealer, who was out in Arizona with the 2 prototypes for the CTS-V, they had both a 600 and a 550 HP version out there. The 600 was just too unstable for most of the test track rides. Link that with GM's conservative bias towards the consumer, and you end up with the 550 version. If the engine is the same - just tweaked DOWN to 550 HP, then tweaking it back UP shouldn't really be that difficult. Also talked with the build team at the Chicago Auto Show on Sunday - yes, they actually had guys from the Michigan assembly plant there - and he said he can't wait to get his hands on these. Kind of nice to talk to someone who knows FIRST HAND how this thing (current STS-V) is built, not just some sales guy who is just making stuff up to get a sale.

Bob

The 600 was just too unstable for most of the test track rides. Link that with GM's conservative bias towards the consumer, and you end up with the 550 version. If the engine is the same - just tweaked DOWN to 550 HP, then tweaking it back UP shouldn't really be that difficult.

Bob


It's kind of funny when we're calling 550hp "conservative," isn't it?

Car & Driver reported that the CTS-V will not get the titanium exhaust valves or the dry sump system off the ZR 1 motor, so while the engine undoubtedly can be bumped up to ZR 1 levels, it won't be quite the same thing.

the 09 cts-v will indeed be the real upgrade from the 04-07 model. after owning an 06 sts-v, i believe it is the also a sort of upgrade for that model as well. not a zr-1 at all, as stated above, no titanium rods/valves, smaller intercooler/super charger etc. this motor will however be capable of being retuned for additional power. weight for the auto will be about the same as the current sts-v.