: Think about this



Dean400hp
01-11-08, 09:43 AM
09 cts V-4200 lbs, $65000, 550 HP W/supercharger
04 cts V-3900lbs, $30000 used, 400 HP, get supercharged,headers CAM,

in final: 04-$40000, 575hp @3900lbs-----09-$65000, 550HP @4200lbs


I feel better now if I cant afford 09....lol:stirpot:

Dean

NormV
01-11-08, 10:07 AM
Good point Dean. You could easily do the first Gen conversion for half the price of a new V. With the Germans having a middle model with a V8, cably image GM pasing up that segment. Probably another 6.2l 420 hp CTS in coupe or wagon with manual option.

Norm

RightTurn
01-11-08, 10:08 AM
But what about that interior??? :D (Dean, if you get the '09 you'll need to change your nickname, ahaha.)

Dean400hp
01-11-08, 10:37 AM
Rightturn, I never even thought about that, dang, all the signs are adding up to keep 04..lol

Dean

Kadonny
01-11-08, 10:42 AM
Yeah, it's not all about the HP.........I think.

wrazor1
01-11-08, 10:48 AM
09 cts V-4200 lbs, $65000, 550 HP W/supercharger
04 cts V-3900lbs, $30000 used, 400 HP, get supercharged,headers CAM,

in final: 04-$40000, 575hp @3900lbs-----09-$65000, 550HP @4200lbs


I feel better now if I cant afford 09....lol:stirpot:

Dean


I was actually thinking about doing exactly this. Then, I saw the new car and REALLY liked it. Especially the interior, the factory hp with warranty, AND the suspension and rear end appear built to handle the hp.

I test drove an '05 V and there were two things I didn't like. First, I drove my MN6 C6 to the dealership before the test drive and noticed a huge huge difference in the feel of the transmission. I expected the body roll but the transmission felt terrible. Then I started reading this forum and came across thread after thread of 'how many rear ends have you gone through?' That made my decision easy. I will wait for the new car.

HushH
01-11-08, 10:55 AM
I hear ya Dean, but you left out the cost of replacing the rear several times or spending $7k - $10k on a custom one that will hold that power.

onebadcad
01-11-08, 11:50 AM
09 cts V-4200 lbs, $65000, 550 HP W/supercharger
04 cts V-3900lbs, $30000 used, 400 HP, get supercharged,headers CAM,

in final: 04-$40000, 575hp @3900lbs-----09-$65000, 550HP @4200lbs


I feel better now if I cant afford 09....lol:stirpot:

Dean

Dean,
Valid comparison, if you don't like the price of an new '09 V, modding the original (and better) Gen I is a win, win option.
Just remember the Maggie will add about 100lbs to the Gen I V.
Then again, always drive around with no more than a half tank of fuel, pull out the spare tire tub, flake some paint of the Nav buttons, and tell your honey (s?) that due to weight concerns, they can no longer wear clothes in your V:cool2:.

CIWS
01-11-08, 12:14 PM
I hear ya Dean, but you left out the cost of replacing the rear several times or spending $7k - $10k on a custom one that will hold that power.

:yeah:

Plus this car is supposed to have a special traction system to help it launch really well and with touch screen Nav, no chipping/peeling buttons. :)
With larger projected production numbers there should be more of these available a few years out to pick up as a certified pre owned if one won't be able to afford it new. Plus any quirks should be known and worked out by then via TSB or recall.

Dean400hp
01-11-08, 12:24 PM
This is going well---I am now 50/50 on my decision:annoyed:

Dean

TheRooster
01-13-08, 10:26 AM
You could get a Vinnie scooter and put NAWS on it. That will save you another $28,000. :stirpot::stirpot:

Jpjr
01-13-08, 12:45 PM
Try taking your '04 V in for warranty engine work after you've bolted on a blower. The new V is simply better in every category except weight. It is a superior machine in all material respects and will be worth the money. The '04 V was a CTS with a big motor thrown in it. The '08 V is a performance luxary sedan from the ground up. If you can afford it = no brainer.

Seattle CTS-V
01-13-08, 01:40 PM
I have a blower and I have had 3 rear ends replaced under warranty. Just depends on your dealership. I agree with you on your other points though.

tweeter81
01-13-08, 02:42 PM
Try taking your '04 V in for warranty engine work after you've bolted on a blower. The new V is simply better in every category except weight. It is a superior machine in all material respects and will be worth the money. The '04 V was a CTS with a big motor thrown in it. The '08 V is a performance luxary sedan from the ground up. If you can afford it = no brainer.

While agree that the new V will be a thing of beauty, I absolutely have to disagree with your statement that the first gen Vs were just "a CTS with a big motor thrown in it." Last time I checked the 2004-2007 CTS-V shared alot more in common with a Corvette than a CTS. The majority of the driveline, including the motor, the transmission, the clutch, (unfortunatley not the diff), was different than a CTS. The brakes are different. The stock suspension is different (27% stiffer), and that's not even counting the FG2 shock upgrade. The sheet metal is different. The exhaust is different (larger diameter pipes). And lastly, price increase definitely reflected that whole increase in potential performance of the total package rather than just a bigger motor.

In fact, now that I think about it, the only two things that the last gen CTS-V had in common with the CTS was the name and the interior.

Sorry, I just don't like to hear people hating on one of the sweetest American ultra-high performance luxury sedans ever produced.

EDIT: I checked your profile and is says Cadillac...so I am willing to bet money that you don't currently, nor have you ever, driven a real live CTS-V, yet you are so sure that you know the difference between the 04-07s and the 09 Vs. That just won't cut it on this forum. Peace out.

lunarx
01-13-08, 05:53 PM
09 cts V-4200 lbs, $65000, 550 HP W/supercharger
04 cts V-3900lbs, $30000 used, 400 HP, get supercharged,headers CAM,

in final: 04-$40000, 575hp @3900lbs-----09-$65000, 550HP @4200lbs


I feel better now if I cant afford 09....lol:stirpot:

Dean
No Dean you have it wrong.

04 cts V-3900lbs, $30000 used, 400 HP,
get:
427, headers, supercharger

in final: 04-$50,0000 700hp @4000lbs :lildevil:

Dean 700HP has a nice ring to it, no?

crankedupforit
01-13-08, 10:37 PM
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Sorry, I just don't like to hear people hating on one of the sweetest American ultra-high performance luxury sedans ever produced.

EDIT: I checked your profile and is says Cadillac...so I am willing to bet money that you don't currently, nor have you ever, driven a real live CTS-V, yet you are so sure that you know the difference between the 04-07s and the 09 Vs. That just won't cut it on this forum. Peace out.[/QUOTE]


F**king A Tweeter. How come all of a sudden the V1 is a POS? I can't believe the BS I'm hearing about a car (V2) that no one has seen or driven. For one thing it better be and must be a better car than the V1. That's only natural. To trash the V2s lineage and at the same time praise it sounds like comments from people that A) never had the balls to by a V1 in the first place so they're rationalizing why it was a bad idea anyway or B) They thrashed the sh*t out of the V1 they own now or once owned because they don't know how to own a performance car and are looking for an excuse why they hosed up their car. WHEW!!! I feel better now.

Mystical_Ice
01-13-08, 11:44 PM
btw, just wanted to throw in that i disagree with the whole "we could have the same HP as the new CTS-V and spend less money" bit.

that's what the Ricers say about our cars......

"$50,000? I could buy a $20,000 Supra, put $20,000 into it, and have a 700HP Supra that would beat the snot out of your CTS-V".

it's not all about HP.

v84life
01-14-08, 12:13 AM
I really like my current V and would be happy to drive it a bit longer but the new V is a complete A**kicking world class super sedan. I am very proud of GM and the Cadillac team. We now have a American super sedan:lildevil:

Shopped the competition today M5 and E63 both optioned out come to nearly 100k both have starting curb wt over 4000lbs. In the real world fully optioned similar to the new V I bet them both to be close to the new V's 4200lbs.:D

Can't wait to suck some M5 doors off:yup:

lunarx
01-14-08, 12:20 AM
btw, just wanted to throw in that i disagree with the whole "we could have the same HP as the new CTS-V and spend less money" bit.

that's what the Ricers say about our cars......

"$50,000? I could buy a $20,000 Supra, put $20,000 into it, and have a 700HP Supra that would beat the snot out of your CTS-V".

it's not all about HP.

Not sure where you are comming from with that statement.

BTW, Good luck finding a 20K Supra, try 40K.
(for low miles non-trashed)
Those cars are not cheap.
They do kick-ass though.

If you think the new V is a good value (and it is) that's cool.
I know it's a good value, because my car has nearly the cost of an 09V in just mods.
Fortunately, it can be done for much cheaper now.

Unfortunately, the new V is not here yet, so I personally call Rice on those who toot their horn, as if they already own one.

For the record, I like the 09V.
I definetly want to see more cars like this on the road.
I'm not chomping at the bit to buy one though.
That car needs to prove itself to me first.

"It's not all about HP" is what the M3 and M5 guys will say when the 09V (or modded 1st Gen V's) blow their doors off. (in a straight line) :D

Vrocks
01-14-08, 10:15 AM
Does the '09 V also get the ZR1 6 speed close ratio gear box?

DRKSIDE
01-14-08, 10:21 AM
I have always been a fan of the "buy cheap - spend money on mods" crowd. It is prudent and smart IMHO.

However... you just can't forget that this is not your average chop shop car here! One of the reasons you are not driving a HEMI or a GTO is because you wanted a step above the rest. I drive a "not your daddy's caddy" and there is a certain degree of pride and (I am man enough to own this fault) EGO that goes into owning this car. I must say that buying a new '09 CTS-V would add several inches to my.. eh hem, EGO.. as I drive off the lot!

That being said (the angel on my other shoulder wants a go at it) I am sure the V2 has luxuries that make our V1's look like a mid-80's Camaro (no offense intended). Point is, you spend your money on what gets you off! Some need to spend $250K on a car that performs no better than a $100k American car. They are not buying the performance... they are buying the name. If it was just for the performance I am sure we could all come up with a $250K package that would make a Ford Expedition a "performance car".

The owner of the V2 is buying THE NEWNESS! It is an illusive creature that once captured, begins to wriggle free and the hunt begins anew. The money invested in the capture of the little green beast follows it out the door the following September.

Don't believe me? Just wait till the V3 comes out!

Silver Dollar
01-14-08, 10:54 AM
Does the '09 V also get the ZR1 6 speed close ratio gear box?

No, it does not.

wrazor1
01-14-08, 01:51 PM
I have always been a fan of the "buy cheap - spend money on mods" crowd. It is prudent and smart IMHO.

However... you just can't forget that this is not your average chop shop car here! One of the reasons you are not driving a HEMI or a GTO is because you wanted a step above the rest. I drive a "not your daddy's caddy" and there is a certain degree of pride and (I am man enough to own this fault) EGO that goes into owning this car. I must say that buying a new '09 CTS-V would add several inches to my.. eh hem, EGO.. as I drive off the lot!

That being said (the angel on my other shoulder wants a go at it) I am sure the V2 has luxuries that make our V1's look like a mid-80's Camaro (no offense intended). Point is, you spend your money on what gets you off! Some need to spend $250K on a car that performs no better than a $100k American car. They are not buying the performance... they are buying the name. If it was just for the performance I am sure we could all come up with a $250K package that would make a Ford Expedition a "performance car".

The owner of the V2 is buying THE NEWNESS! It is an illusive creature that once captured, begins to wriggle free and the hunt begins anew. The money invested in the capture of the little green beast follows it out the door the following September.

Don't believe me? Just wait till the V3 comes out!

I agree. The good thing for me is that I will be starting fresh as I don't currently own a V. I've always battled this with new Corvettes and the desire has won out so far.

As for the 250k car. I think that is a different issue entirely. I don't agree that it is ALL about name. That plays a big role a lot of the time I'm sure but, for example, a Ferrari is obviously not just a performance car. They are certainly only for the super rich but having had the pleasure of driving an F355 (I want to drive an F360 or F430 really bad) I can say I completely understand why they buy those cars over something else that might be cheaper. My current car is way faster than the 355 I drove but it handled extremely well and THE SOUND... Damn, nothing else sounds like that! Besides, most of the guys that buy those can afford to have a couple of American sports cars sitting around to. That was the case with this guy's F355.

Dean400hp
01-14-08, 01:54 PM
TN, You are correct! that is why I baught a CTS V, to put me apart from every other guy that thinks he's cool in a Mustang GT....The V shows we want the best, We are nothing but class of our own, we deserve respect from all that see us in our bad as caddy!!!! With that said, we need have Cadillac give everyone that has a current cts V the new 09 V for free since we are a loyal group.........now wasn't that easy:yup:


Dean

Maxb49
01-14-08, 07:45 PM
Try taking your '04 V in for warranty engine work after you've bolted on a blower. The new V is simply better in every category except weight. It is a superior machine in all material respects and will be worth the money. The '04 V was a CTS with a big motor thrown in it. The '08 V is a performance luxary sedan from the ground up. If you can afford it = no brainer.

Are you suggesting he spend north of sixty thousand dollars to safe a few thousand dollars of repair work?

lunarx
01-14-08, 08:22 PM
Got to face it.
This is the wrong forum to promote the 1st Gen V. :o
That car is now dead to the people here.

All we suggest is that there is a way to build a 1st gen V (since most of us already own one) to a point where one can be thrilled with it.
I now realize that the other forum is the only place to hold those discussions now.

New V is cool and all but I think GM cheaped out by not going LS7 or LS9.
New V is a SC LS3.
Little more than a Maggie LS6.

It is a more lux package though, so for many that is enough.
Only time will tell if it resolves any other classic V issues.
If so, those who get one will indeed be lucky bastards. :D
Your V plus 40K will get you one on a trade.

rblimas
01-14-08, 11:10 PM
wow... we already have 09 v posers lol... and i only read the first page:D

Vrocks
01-14-08, 11:18 PM
No, it does not.
To bad, I'm definitely getting the auto then. Cool sig pic Silver Dollar

lunarx
01-15-08, 06:20 AM
To bad, I'm definitely getting the auto then. Cool sig pic Silver Dollar

It might not be the ZR1 gear box but the ratios are as close as anybody could ask for.

Exact 1-4 ratios as I converted to.
The 5/6 ratios are closer than my current setup.
I did some experimenting with custom 5/6 gears.
Based on that, I would have to say the 09V M6 ratios are just about perfect. :worship:
You will always be in the powerband from 1-5.
Even 6th is going to give decent acceleration, as it's also fairly short. :cool2: