Direct from the rumors forum: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadillac-cts-v-series-rumors/127765-any-new-leaked-info.html#post1356906

Buried in a thread was a link to a 'to be' released GM press release, put up on the GM media website early:

http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/autoshows/08naias/brands/cadillac/ctsv/08_NAIAS_09_Cadillac%20CTS-V_Overview.htm

I thought this belonged over here now, that it would appear 'official'.


2009 CTS-V: CADILLAC’S ULTIMATE EXPRESSION OF PERFORMANCE AND LUXURY

DETROIT – As the new CTS sport sedan earns accolades and new owners, Cadillac takes the next leap forward by premiering the 2009 CTS-V, the brand’s ultimate expression of performance and luxury.

Launching in the fourth quarter of 2008, the all-new CTS-V intends to combine the serious performance of an elite sports car with the poise and elegance of a prestigious luxury sedan. Part of Cadillac’s acclaimed V-Series of high-performance models, CTS-V delivers an estimated 550 horsepower (410 kW). More than just power, CTS-V also includes a comprehensive suite of technical and design enhancements, including Magnetic Ride Control, an industry-first Performance Traction Management program and the addition of a new automatic transmission with paddle-shift control.

“The CTS-V represents the full extension of our design, technology and performance capabilities,” says Jim Taylor, Cadillac general manager. “The V-Series takes the award-winning CTS sport sedan and elevates it to a position within the club of the world’s most exclusive and capable cars.”

As an all-new version of the CTS sport sedan was prepared for 2008, Cadillac engineers and designers began to scheme a new CTS-V that would reach much higher in terms of performance and luxury. Through the original CTS-V, Cadillac proved it could develop a very potent, high-performance sedan. The challenge for the 2009 model was enhancing every aspect in a comprehensive manner, along with reaching higher performance limits.

Several key technical and design elements combine to transform the already highly capable CTS into the new V-Series. Like the existing CTS, the V-Series is the product of an intensive development process across North America and Europe, including famed test tracks and millions of miles of road. Supporting Cadillac’s ongoing global expansion, the 2009 CTS-V is planned to be offered outside North America for the first time, including exports to Europe, the Middle East and Asia.

Sophisticated technical enhancements
The 2009 Cadillac CTS-V features the world’s fastest-reacting suspension technology, Magnetic Ride Control (MRC). It uses shocks controlled by electro-magnets, rather than mechanical valves, greatly accelerating response time. Electronic sensors at all four wheels literally “read the road” every millisecond, making constant adjustments to damping to create virtually instantaneous and extremely precise control of body motions. This is of particular benefit for a high-performance sedan, helping to keep the car very composed during hard cornering, acceleration, braking and other dynamic maneuvers.

MRC technology first appeared on the Cadillac STS performance sedan and has been used on some of the world’s most celebrated cars, including the Chevrolet Corvette and a select few European sports cars.

Enabling the precise control expected in a high-performance sedan, the CTS-V features Performance Traction Management system, borrowed from championship racing teams. This technology uses advanced electronics to manage engine torque for optimal traction during acceleration. In situations such as acceleration from a stop or exiting corners, Performance Traction Management regulates torque delivery for the best possible launch.

Performance Traction Management uses the same sort of electronics as stability control programs such as Cadillac’s StabiliTrak system, but applies it in a different manner. Rather than monitoring and controlling wheel slip to assist in stopping or slowing the car, PTM regulates torque delivery to instantly match the available tire grip for maximum acceleration.

CTS-V also includes sophisticated braking and tire systems, in partnership with two companies renown for high-performance technology: Brembo and Michelin. Brembo brakes are at all four corners and include powerful, six-piston calipers in the front and four-piston calipers in the rear. Michelin worked with Cadillac engineers to develop its acclaimed Pilot Sport 2 (PS2) summer tire for CTS-V and its 19-inch wheels.

And, of course, there is the matter of power. It has increased nearly 35 percent for the ’09 CTS-V, via a new 6.2L LSA supercharged V-8 engine generating an estimated 550 hp (410 kW) and 550 lb.-ft. (745 Nm) of torque. The engine delivers this power with remarkable refinement. A sixth-generation Eaton supercharger minimizes the added noise previously associated with supercharged engines, and tightly controls intake air temperature for optimal performance.

Transmission choices include either a six-speed manual or an exclusive, six-speed automatic with steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. It is the first automatic offered on the CTS-V.

Accentuated design elements

The 2009 CTS-V extends Cadillac’s acclaimed design language, both inside and out. The V-Series includes all the elements of the CTS sport sedan’s well received cabin, while adding some elegant and purposeful accents.

V-Series will offer Recaro performance driving seats, providing excellent support for spirited driving and adding to the luxurious and purposeful interior. These new, 14-way adjustable performance seats include pneumatic bolster controls in the seat cushion and backrest.

A microfiber material is added to the steering wheel, seats and shifter, providing the soft feel and luxurious appearance of suede without suede’s inherent drawbacks of difficult care and moisture sensitivity. These accents on the steering wheel, seat inserts and shifter are elegant to the touch and help support high-performance driving.

The car’s integrated center stack is trimmed with a new Obsidian material that is also applied to the center console and door trim. Just like every CTS, the V-Series includes a hand-stitched instrument panel, door trim and center console. Leading-edge infotainment features, including a 40-gigabyte hard drive, advanced navigation system with a “pop-up” screen and Bose digital surround audio, extend to the V-Series, as well as factory-installed Bluetooth capability.

The exterior of the new CTS-V amplifies the assertive stance and elegant details of the standard car, and communicates the car’s remarkable capabilities. The dihedral Cadillac grille is larger to enable more air intake and features a satin finish. The raised hood encompasses the supercharged engine, and new front and rear fascias identify the vehicle as a V-Series. The car’s 19-inch wheels enhance its stance on the road.

The founding member of the V-Series, CTS-V was initially offered in 2004 and sold primarily in North America through the 2007 model year. The supercharged STS-V and XLR-V were added in 2006 to make the V-Series an exclusive trio of models all capable of zero-to-60 acceleration in less than five seconds with enhanced overall performance and luxury features.


Talk amongst yourselves.

-Chris

Good find!!
550HP & 550 tq not too bad.

Direct from the rumors forum: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadillac-cts-v-series-rumors/127765-any-new-leaked-info.html#post1356906

Buried in a thread was a link to a 'to be' released GM press release, put up on the GM media website early:

http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/autoshows/08naias/brands/cadillac/ctsv/08_NAIAS_09_Cadillac%20CTS-V_Overview.htm

I thought this belonged over here now, that it would appear 'official'.



Talk amongst yourselves.

-Chris

More specs from the website.


2009 CADILLAC CTS-V: PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

Overview
Model:
2009 Cadillac CTS-V
Body style / driveline:
rear-drive four-door high-performance luxury sedan
Construction:
unitized welded steel body with direct-mounted front cradle and rubber-isolated, multi-link independent rear suspension assembly
EPA vehicle class
midsize car
Manufacturing location:
Lansing Grand River Assembly, Lansing, Michigan
Key competitors:
BMW M-5, Mercedes Benz E55 AMG, Mercedes Benz E63 AMG

Engine
Type:
6.2L supercharged V-8 (LSA)
Displacement (cu in / cc):
376 / 6162
Bore & stroke (in / mm):
4.06 / 103.25 x 3.62 / 92 mm
Block material:
cast aluminum
Cylinder head material:
cast aluminum
Valvetrain:
overhead valve, 2 valves per cylinder;
0.492-in (12.5 mm) lift
Supercharger:
Gen. 6 R19 with single brick intercooler; 1.9L displacement w/4-lobe rotor design
Fuel delivery:
SFI; center feed
Ignition:
direct-mount ignition coils; extended-life dual platinum-tipped spark plugs
Compression ratio:
9.0:1
Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):
550 / 410 @ 6200 (est)
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
550 / 745 @ 6200 (est)
Recommended fuel:
premium recommended but not required
Maximum engine speed (rpm):
TBD
Additional features:
pan-mounted oil cooler; cast pistons; high-flow cylinder heads; block-mounted piston squirters; steel crankshaft w/ 8-bolt flange; close-mounted converters; acoustic engine cover; E67 engine controller
Estimated fuel economy:
TBD

Transmissions
Type:
Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual; fully synchronized with single overdrive
Hydra-Matic 6L90 six-speed electronically controlled automatic overdrive with torque converter clutch
Gear ratios (:1)


First:
2.66
4.02
Second:
1.78
2.36
Third:
1.30
1.53
Fourth:
1.00
1.15
Fifth:
0.80
0.85
Sixth:
0.63
0.67
Reverse:
2.90
3.06
Final Drive Ratio:
3.73
3.73

Chassis & Suspension
Front suspension:
independent SLA; 29-mm hollow stabilizer bar; elastomeric handling and ride bushings; 65-N/mm spring rate; Magnetic Ride Control with electro-magnetically controlled shocks
Rear suspension:
independent SLA; 24-mm solid stabilizer bar; elastomeric trailing arm bushing; 90-N/mm spring rate; Magnetic Ride Control with electro-magnetically controlled shocks
Wheels:
19 x 9-inch; forged alloy, 5-lug (front)
19 x 9.5-inch, forged alloy, 5-lug (rear)
Tires:
255/40R19 Michelin PS2; summer Z-rated (front)
285/35R19 Michelin PS2; summer Z-rated (rear)
Brakes:
four-wheel disc with four-channel ABS, hydraulic brake assist and dynamic rear brake proportioning
front rotors:
vented; co-cast; 380 mm x 32 mm
rear rotors:
vented; 373 mm x 28 mm
front calipers:
aluminum; six-piston
rear calipers:
aluminum; four-piston
Steering:
power-assisted rack-and-pinion;
Steering ratio
16.1:1
Turns lock-to-lock
TBD
Turn radius (ft / m)
37.9 / 11.55
Additional features:
standard: StabiliTrak (four-channel, four mode); traction control; engine drag control
optional: Performance Traction Management

Dimensions
Exterior

Wheelbase (in / mm):
113.4 / 2880
Overall length (in / mm):
191.6 / 4866
Overall width (in / mm):
72.5 / 1842
Overall height (in / mm):
58.0 / 1472
Track (in / mm):
front: 61.8 / 1570
rear: 62.0 / 1575
Curb weight (lb / kg):
manual: 4200 / 1905 (est)
automatic: 4300 / 1950 (est)
Weight distribution (% front / rear):
54 / 46
Approach Angle (deg)
10.4
Departure Angle (deg)
18.3
Tumblehome (deg.
24.6
Interior

Headroom (in / mm):
front: 38.8 / 986
rear: 37.2 / 944

Leg room (in / mm):
front: 42.4 / 1078
rear: 35.9 / 913
Shoulder room (in / mm):
front: 56.7 / 1441
rear: 57.4 / 1390
Hip room (in / mm):
front: 55.1 / 1400
rear: 54.1 / 1375

Capacities
EPA passenger volume (cu ft / L):
98 / 2775
EPA trunk volume (cu ft / L):
13.6 / 385
Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg):
TBD
Fuel tank (gal / L):
18.0 / 68
Engine oil (qt / L):
TBD
Cooling system (qt / L):
TBD
Seating Capacity (front / rear)
2 / 3
Drag Coefficient
0.355



-Chris

Why move this? This isn't a rumor.

I thought the rumors forum was just for rumors. Can't we keep one thread in regular V about the new V?

-Chris

I just read that article from another board system link. Guess after all the speculation and mud slinging, some of us were right from the beginning. It was not that hard to figure out, really.

Anyway, I am surprised by the torque, that will really get this car up and moving in a snap. Nice work GM, now let's seem some test times.

Complementing the LSA’s tremendous output is a combination of components and design elements designed to ensure a quiet, refined driving experience. Examples include:

Balanced, lightweight reciprocating assembly
Hypereutectic pistons
Lower-lift, low overlap camshaft
Center-feed fuel system
Acoustic engine cover
Piston oil squirtersI responded in the other thread, what is GM thinking?
Hopefully, that was a misprint and they are using Forged pistons like they have in the LS9 engine.

Sweet

NICE... although i'd like a manual trans....

so, now that we are this far, comes speculation on performance. edmunds had said previously they expected it to be as fast, or better, than the E63 (I think they referred to), which was the fastest 4-door they had ever tested. maybe with the torque management, that power can finally get to the ground (referenced as optional somewhere in all that text, but I would think a keeper)?

Very nice. Now to find a way to afford one.

Noticed that also. Could be a problem if that is truely the case.

Complementing the LSA’s tremendous output is a combination of components and design elements designed to ensure a quiet, refined driving experience. Examples include:

Balanced, lightweight reciprocating assembly
Hypereutectic pistons
Lower-lift, low overlap camshaft
Center-feed fuel system
Acoustic engine cover
Piston oil squirtersI responded in the other thread, what is GM thinking?
Hopefully, that was a misprint and they are using Forged pistons like they have in the LS9 engine.

Truth it is.... This new car is a monster...

http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/2009/

More info coming soon (and their is more)

Reed

Very nice. Now to find a way to afford one.


What's your guess, 68-70K ? (that's mine, including gas guzzler)

At 70k it ends up just 10k short of the STS V. I am expecting low 60's. Anybody else?

Here are the just released pictures. http://www.leftlanenews.com/2009-cadillac-cts-v-revealed.html

Seats look good with finally some lateral support.

I hope the weird rear will get better with time ( and that's pretty rare :alchi: )

Yeah, I really like the interior. There are just two things I don’t like about the car. It looks like the engine’s redline just over 6,000 rpm. Also the car is a bit of a pig at 4,200 lbs. I hope Cadillac does a coupe and keeps the weight down. If so I think I am going to get the coupe next time around.

IB4 the new CTS-V is on the Biggest loser
4,200 or 4,300 lb

2008 BMW M5
MSRP: $82,900
Curb Weight: 4,012 lbs
500 HP 383 TQ

2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E63 AMG
MSRP: $84,600
Curb Weight: 4,035
507 HP 465 TQ

add 350 lbs....and 150HP. Hope the new rear can handle it.


F

Huh... They moved the parking brake pull from the lower dash to the center console.

Can't wait to hear the pricetag.

When I saw that interior, I caused myself to change pants...

Complementing the LSA’s tremendous output is a combination of components and design elements designed to ensure a quiet, refined driving experience. Examples include:

Balanced, lightweight reciprocating assembly
Hypereutectic pistons
Lower-lift, low overlap camshaft
Center-feed fuel system
Acoustic engine cover
Piston oil squirtersI responded in the other thread, what is GM thinking?
Hopefully, that was a misprint and they are using Forged pistons like they have in the LS9 engine.

To handle the heat. And... they still could be forged.

To handle the heat. And... they still could be forged.

I think it states they are cast in the additional features in the specs though. Kinda bad news for those looking to add more boost, but at the same time pretty impressive considering the stock power levels and decision that cast would be sufficient.

Additional features:
pan-mounted oil cooler; cast pistons; high-flow cylinder heads; block-mounted piston squirters; steel crankshaft w/ 8-bolt flange; close-mounted converters; acoustic engine cover; E67 engine controller

It's gonna be a sick, sweet ride!

add 350 lbs....and 150HP. Hope the new rear can handle it.


F

+250 HP.

To handle the heat. And... they still could be forged.

They employ oil squirters to assist in cooling and they do make a difference. This is still a luxo car so the hyperU's will be quieter.

When I saw that interior, I caused myself to change pants...

A couple times...

+250 HP.

Current V = 400bhp 09V = 550bhp difference = 150hp.

$68,500 unless they a la carte some of the features. Upcharge for automatics and sunroofs. Don't think they can offer it in the low 60's with all the bells/whistles. The SRT-8's have oil squirters too. I hope we can't here the caddy's. You can hear it on the SRT-8's. Oh and by the way, I'm definitely coming back. :sneaky:

The only thing standing in my way might be the price.

If it hasn't been posted, the diff is cast iron. :highfive:

Hot damn, if the diff holds up it looks to me like they got everything right this time. Make mine black, powder coat the chrome, and I'm all set. Manual or paddles, TBD.

Maybe a front dam kit in the future (D3?) to correct the underbite look, but it's hard to tell from pictures whether that's a real need. I'll see for myself in Detroit.

It's compelling enough that it'll be hard to execute my strategic plan (wait a year, let early buyers find all the bugs).

Very nice. Now to find a way to afford one.

Exactly. I would have rather seen them build a $55k version with the Corvette's 436 hp LS3 engine (I have one - it's strong!). I'm guessing this car will be 80k plus.

Bah. People who won't/can't pay what they ask for this car should stick to the base CTS, or maybe an SRT8 Charger.

Bah. People who won't/can't pay what they ask for this car should stick to the base CTS, or maybe an SRT8 Charger.


Ouch. Autoweek is predicting $62K, but I just don't see how GM can bring it in at that price with all this technology. The 1/4 mile calculator predicts 12.2 seconds off the showroom floor. Not that anyone here cares about drag racing.

Exactly. I would have rather seen them build a $55k version with the Corvette's 436 hp LS3 engine (I have one - it's strong!). I'm guessing this car will be 80k plus.

I doubt it. GM is big on value compared to its competition. For 80k you could just buy an M5. And most people (other than extremely loyal GM guys)would do just that regardless of the extra 50 hp you get with this car. Don't get me wrong, this new V has brought me to this forum but there is no way it will be 80k. I'm starting to agree with the guys guessing that it will be high 60's to low 70's though.

Did I miss bluetooth? Carbon fiber?

Well there goes more of my money...:yup: I'm sold...:sneaky:

Well, that's a bummer. Guess I'm going to have to upgrade... Maybe I'll finally let the wife drive it. :D

If that car doesn't run damned near or under 4 seconds to 60 flat I'd be shocked as shit. Interior is simply gorgeous. Outside has that "I eat small children" look. I was think maybe a c63 for my next car, but they have sold me! Total package if I ever saw one.

I'm very pissed that this is coming with cast pistons; that means the motor is going to be a ticking timebomb IMO, and modding is going to be a very risky proposition. The extra weight not only means a slower car, but more shit breaking in the long run.

I LOVE THE INTERIOR. If this thing is priced under $70K I'm buying one. Period.

While there is no doubt 4200 lbs is heavy, someone posted that the M5 and E63 are lighter, weighing in at little more than 4000 lbs. That is quite wrong, the C63 weighs 4035 lbs, as reported by Car and Driver, both the E and M5 are substantially larger and heavier so weight should be equal to the new V.
Love the car, but want to see how this thing launches and actual performances figures before running to the dealer. That said it's awesome looking inside especially, Recaro Seats rock, had them on my Audi S4. Seems most issues have been dealt with, now if they could just improve the dealerships.

Well, I wasn't sold on the looks of it at the beginning, but GM sure finished it off well. Audi, BMW, and MB have to be pissing their pants now. As long as it's under $70k, I think this car will be a huge hit for Cadillac.

L5, I hear you on the strategery. Gonna be very hard not to be an early adopter this time around.

Holy S**t, 550HP and 550 pounds foot of torque! I was looking at buying a Radical SR3 as a track car, now this.
WOW!

Feff

It probably will be under $70K. A lot of what's listed in the press release is what's also in the press release for the Corvette ZR1. Spreading out development costs by sharing between the two platforms, and maybe others, could help to keep costs down.

This car is what I expected from GM and Cadillac. Homerun good to be a GM fan , I'm so proud....Looks like a total package not worried about pistons I will wait till the Warr. is up before I need anymore than bolt-ons with this package. I would start with things to reduce weight like wheels ,two-piece rotors etc. Hell this car rocks just the way it is.. This is a car I want to buy not lease. :cloud9:I'm tingling just thinking of this in my garage now lets see what color yummmmm, Can't freekin wait

Oh f*ck off!

I read those specs and saw those interior and exterior pics and I'm not positive..........but I think I busted a nut.

I will be buying a black one.

If that car doesn't run damned near or under 4 seconds to 60 flat I'd be shocked as shit. Interior is simply gorgeous. Outside has that "I eat small children" look. I was think maybe a c63 for my next car, but they have sold me! Total package if I ever saw one.

Im "guessing" it will be about a 4.1 4.2 in the 0-60... but thats a guess and there are so many variables when someone does a 0-60 that the 0-60 metric is kinda lost on me.... The mother F'er will be fast...

Reed

If that car doesn't run damned near or under 4 seconds to 60 flat I'd be shocked as shit. Interior is simply gorgeous. Outside has that "I eat small children" look. I was think maybe a c63 for my next car, but they have sold me! Total package if I ever saw one.


I was thinking C63 myself...but I'm a Caddy man for life if this car is as good as it looks on paper!

I LOVE THE INTERIOR. If this thing is priced under $70K I'm buying one. Period.

No way Caddy prices this car 15k over what it is now. No question it will be priced under 70k. I'm going to guess 59k base with maybe 3-5k for options like automatic and such.

Wow, sounds like a beast! Too bad my wife wants 2 more kids. :eek::alchi::bouncy:
I'll be drooling at you guys inside my '04 V & possibly '09 GXP G8 :D.

me likey, but no more 1st year cars for me. Ill wait until 2010 to pick up a new one just to make sure the bugs are worked out...there WILL be some.
Dont expect to do pulley mods on the s/c, as the pulley is integral to the shaft it rides on, you gotta swap the whole assembly...which isnt practical.

F

Don't think it'll be < $60k ... more like $65k-ish. Wife would never go for it. :crying:

With 350 lbs more to haul around, I may just be able to keep up with my maggie ... maybe.

I'm guessin 0-60 in 4.2-4.3 secs.

I do wish it revved higher.

Also thinking that all with all that weight up front it won't be quick to change direction.

As a longtime import buyer, I can't believe GM has built a car this good. I mean, when I read the specs and then looked at those interior pix, I nearly peed my pants. The V is what brought me to this site. The base CTS with DI is already a compelling value compared to the Acura I drive now. I was already thinking of moving to an M5 when I heard about the new V. Price willing, this CTS-V will be in my garage later this year. Time to make a deposit! And I'm not kidding.....you should see how we're reacting to this car on the Acura boards. This car has gotten everyone's attention.

I'm serious enough that I'm already looking for snow tires for this puppy for next winter....

All I wish for is sunroof delete at this stage. I'll take Black Raven with paddles for my wife (it's her car). I'm about as excited as when the final E55 specs and pics were released back in 2003 after having a deposit down for 1 1/2 years. Despite still owning the E55, it has been nothing but trouble. Was in the first shipment to arrive in US. Having the newest toy that others want but don't have yet is really fun, but can come back to bite you in the ass. Looks like I'm about to make the same mistake twice! Like Maxwell Smart used to say "............and loving it!"

I'm guessin 0-60 in 4.2-4.3 secs.

I do wish it revved higher.

Also thinking that all with all that weight up front it won't be quick to change direction.

That supercharger package is very nice indeed, maybe 30-40lb more on the nose than a normally-aspirated motor? They could easily get that back by putting the battery in the trunk, if they were of a mind to do so.

Peak RPM isn't what counts, useful rev range and area under the torque curve gets you from A to B. A motor that's good from 1500 to 6500RPM is a lot nicer to live with than one that's only got 5000 to 8000.

GM needs the Guilty Conscience Triple-Play - dust off the EV1, cook up (no pun intended) a nice LiIon powerpack for it, and for $200K the truck rolls up and delivers a ZR1 Vette, a CTS-V, and an EV1 right to your driveway.

AGW is a load of crap, but EVs can still be a good idea and a lot of fun anyway...to my mind GM did only two compelling products in the US in the entire decade of the 1990s - the C5 'Vette and the EV1.

Actually the battery is already in the trunk behind the passenger side rear wheel.

That supercharger package is very nice indeed, maybe 30-40lb more on the nose than a normally-aspirated motor? They could easily get that back by putting the battery in the trunk, if they were of a mind to do so.

I guess the jury is still out on those pistons. They must have some good technology to put a long term warranty on them.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac

AGW is a load of crap, but EVs can still be a good idea and a lot of fun anyway...to my mind GM did only two compelling products in the US in the entire decade of the 1990s - the C5 'Vette and the EV1.

I worked on the EV1.

GM never had their heart in it.

Did it because Calif threatened sales with pollution requirement.

Three standing start "romp on its" and the batteries were in need of a charge.

Put out so much RF noise from the converter that it would effect the radio in the car next to you!

HYBRIDS RULE

GM has it right with the VOLT platform.

The car looks unbelievable. I'm thinking it wll be between $59k to $65k.

I worked on the EV1.

GM never had their heart in it.

Did it because Calif threatened sales with pollution requirement.

Three standing start "romp on its" and the batteries were in need of a charge.

Put out so much RF noise from the converter that it would effect the radio in the car next to you!

HYBRIDS RULE

GM has it right with the VOLT platform.
I thought the EV1 was awesome. An actual battery powered car. Maybe it wasn't as refined as it should have been, but they should have advanced it. It was quick too!

Actually the battery is already in the trunk behind the passenger side rear wheel.



I guess the jury is still out on those pistons. They must have some good technology to put a long term warranty on them.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac

Indeed sir. It was probably done to save money vs. forged internals as the hypereutectic can still be cast and deal with the additional heat and compression.

Does anyone know the % of silicon in the alloy?

Oh. My. God. They have done it. What looks to be the perfect 4-door sports sedan...

Only time shall tell ;)

Put me down for one black on black '09 CTS-V!!!! And that interior.... Oooooooooohhhh.

Waiting on a phone call back from one of the engineers.....Dont know if we can get the composition, but we should be able to see find out how far they pushed it before she let go.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac

Indeed sir. It was probably done to save money vs. forged internals as the hypereutectic can still be cast and deal with the additional heat and compression.

Does anyone know the % of silicon in the alloy?

Verily. Black on black with black powder coating over the chrome. Delete sunroof if possible.

Auto or stick? Auto or stick??? :hmm: Gotta drive both.

Waiting on a phone call back from one of the engineers.....Dont know if we can get the composition, but we should be able to see find out how far they pushed it before she let go.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac
What are the odds that you'll do a little kit to cure that front bumper/air dam underbite problem?

You have to go manual, c'mon now....

I am getting an 08 Jeep SRT8 as soon as I can sell my current V. I was planning on buying a sports car of some sort (C6Z or 996tt) in a year or two to compliment the Jeep, but now another CTS-V may blur the outcome of that. Thank god Cadillac did this car justice. Can't wait to test drive one a year from now.

This is going to be a fun car to mod :cool2:

Well, I'm now focusing on getting enough dough to plop down a nice down payment in late 2009/early 2010 on a '10 model. It will be tough to watch others get theirs. And now I can't wait for Detroit.


How difficult and expensive do you think it would be to spec out the V engine to match the ZR1's?

Actually we had a design done before the 08 CTS was revealed to the public. Now that the CTSV has finally been shown, we might throw something on the drawing board for this new application. But we will be designing a new functional aero front fascia for the new application.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3 Cadillac
What are the odds that you'll do a little kit to cure that front bumper/air dam underbite problem?

Someone call Corsa and get them cracking! F???

Well, after a long time hiatus away from the Forum, I am back! This new V has brought back feelings similar to those I felt waiting for the 1st gen. V to arrive. Reading the specs on this new V have me shaking my head in astonishment, excitement, and disbelief! I so want one!

This car is awesome! I have this completely insane number crunching scheme going on in my head as to how I can keep my current V, AND buy a new one!

Cheers fellas, this is going to be fun!

-MB

Well, after a long time hiatus away from the Forum, I am back! This new V has brought back feelings similar to those I felt waiting for the 1st gen. V to arrive. Reading the specs on this new V have me shaking my head in astonishment, excitement, and disbelief! I so want one!

This car is awesome! I have this completely insane number crunching scheme going on in my head as to how I can keep my current V, AND buy a new one!

Cheers fellas, this is going to be fun!

-MBHmmmm, never heard of ya...

Most impressive, only unknown is how well the rear will hold up. I may be on board by 2010, but may be tough as I am not selling the '05. Congrats to those already committed, as you will have an Ubercrusher:)!!!

Price should be $62K base. At this price they can probably sell twice as many as they forecast; the automatic option will definitely lift sales numbers. Not sure what planned production is, but Chevy made 6,200 C6Zs in 2006 (not sure how many sold), and if marketed correctly, at a fair price, this could be a great victory for GM.

Life is good, Cadillac rules, now lets go drill in Alaska and put a muzzle on Al Gore so that more American HP is available in the future.

Life is good, Cadillac rules, now lets go drill in Alaska and put a muzzle on Al Gore so that more American HP is available in the future.

Just think, if we hadn't put a muzzle on the Japanese carmakers this new V would come with rusty doors and weight 6k lbs too!!

In a few years, half the fleet is gonna be 50 mpg hybrid/plug-in stuff mixed in with some high hp stuff mixed in with some old stuff (i.e. current stuff). Gasoline may even go down in price unless balanced out by dramatically increased oil consumption in India and China.

On another note, if I ever get the chance to get a new V (20-30% probability), there's gonna be a shit-load of slightly-used mods in the classifieds here as I bring my car back to close to stock. :rolleyes:

Oh! I thought this was the "Random Thoughts" thread. :alchi:

Someone call Corsa and get them cracking! F???

No way...the STSv stuff comes first!!!!


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Well, after a long time hiatus away from the Forum, I am back! This new V has brought back feelings similar to those I felt waiting for the 1st gen. V to arrive. Reading the specs on this new V have me shaking my head in astonishment, excitement, and disbelief! I so want one!

This car is awesome! I have this completely insane number crunching scheme going on in my head as to how I can keep my current V, AND buy a new one!

Cheers fellas, this is going to be fun!

-MB

welcome back, longtimer.


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:peeking:

WW

^^ Heh.

Howdy RT.

I'll wait 'til the 2010 model though...

WW

Yeah, yeah. That's what they all say! Nice to see ya. :wave:

Daddy's getting a new car real real soon ;)

Daddy's getting a new car real real soon ;)

YESSSSSSSS:cloud9:

A lot of folks are tossing around estimated MSRP prices and what might be options, etc etc.

I think the general consensus is that base MSRP is going to be somewhere around $62k

With that said; has anyone given any thought as to whether the first units of allocation start hitting the dealers early next fall might carry a dealer added premium above MSRP?

Otherwise known as the "Dealer Adjusted Market Value".

According to the pictures in the release, they also changed to a 5 lug wheel -( I assume so we can't use the 19 in wheels on our V's -:mad: ) It also mentioned they kept their much beloved "dual mass boat anchor":stirpot: The only good news would appear to be the HP that can be gained by changing the RV cam for a performance cam. That is a positive displacement blower, not a turbo!!

With that said; has anyone given any thought as to whether the first units of allocation start hitting the dealers early next fall might carry a dealer added premium above MSRP?

Otherwise known as the "Dealer Adjusted Market Value".

I am sure many dealers most definitely will, no reason for them not to try. If they can get it, good for them.

I won't be paying it though.....

:yeah:

I am sure many dealers most definitely will, no reason for them not to try. If they can get it, good for them.

I won't be paying it though.....

I paid +5large first time...2nd time (if there is, C63 is really tempting, as is ISF, M3, etc.) I'll be -5 or more, or no go.

WW

I paid +5large first time...2nd time (if there is, C63 is really tempting, as is ISF, M3, etc.) I'll be -5 or more, or no go.

WWTo think, I thought I struck gold when I paid sticker in early 2004.

Definitely will be buying one. At 550/550 this thing is going to be one sick ride! I have been looking for a reason to spend my $3500 on the GM card. I bought my GM corporate car in March of 06 with 3K miles, for $41,500 certified. It will be hard to spend 60K+, but I am just going to have to get over it.

Additional features:
pan-mounted oil cooler; cast pistons; high-flow cylinder heads; block-mounted piston squirters; steel crankshaft w/ 8-bolt flange; close-mounted converters; acoustic engine cover; E67 engine controller

In the tradition of the venerable 3.8 SFI turbo, GM did it right again with a forged rather than hypereutetic piston. This engine is most lilely begging for more boost. Hope they do a pressed on pulley like my 99 Riviera. Easy on , easy off!

If it hasn't been posted, the diff is cast iron. :highfive:

I am ready for a cigarette!

In the tradition of the venerable 3.8 SFI turbo, GM did it right again with a forged rather than hypereutetic piston. This engine is most lilely begging for more boost. Hope they do a pressed on pulley like my 99 Riviera. Easy on , easy off!

Unfortunately, according to the press release info, they will be using Hypereutectic pisons in this vehicle, not forged!:hmm:

Bad move on GM's part:mad:

someone may have posted this already, but im not reading through all the pages to figure it out, but... here is another article with some pictures of angles that i havent yet seen. enjoy!

http://www.dpccars.com/photos-08/01-11-08page-2009-Cadillac-CTS-V.htm

I think it's hot!
http://www.dpccars.com/photos-08/01-11-08-01-2009-Cadillac-CTS-V.jpg

I am not so hot on the side vents.

I think they should have vented the hood.

IMO

I hate the pop up NAV, I hate the front fascia, I hate the side vents, I hate the chrome grille again, I hate the rims, I hate the exhaust............................It has 550HP/550TQ? Nevermind. :D

Ok, my decision on a non-daily driver car next year just got a lot harder. The C6 was my most recent choice. M5, C63 and Lotus Exige were all in the running. Although I think I'll throw the Exige out because it is too small and feels like a $65k kit car. The new CTS V is sharp and I expect the dealers to be asking $5k over sticker at first. I would just wait until the demand drops in 6 months. Price around $60k base seems about right, before you add GGT and I'll most likely go with the auto. My guess is $65k for a fully loaded V which is what I was looking at on my C6 Vert but C6s are not going for MSRP anymore.

M5 is nice but interior is too bland IMO. C63 is sweat and probably around $73k. The V needs to stay $10k under the AMG.

Who made Florian a mod? I leave this site and everything goes to heck. Just kidding!

GM, don't pay attention to what most think the V will be priced at ( around 63-65k). Keep it in the 50's like you planned to do.

i have vented pants, huge hole in the ass

Now thats just nasty.

someone may have posted this already, but im not reading through all the pages to figure it out, but... here is another article with some pictures of angles that i havent yet seen. enjoy!

http://www.dpccars.com/photos-08/01-11-08page-2009-Cadillac-CTS-V.htm

I think it's hot!
http://www.dpccars.com/photos-08/01-11-08-01-2009-Cadillac-CTS-V.jpg


I just noticed. V logo on the door? VUGLY!

2009 V, you are dead to me :lildevil:

-Chris

Ok, my decision on a non-daily driver car next year just got a lot harder. The C6 was my most recent choice. M5, C63 and Lotus Exige were all in the running. Although I think I'll throw the Exige out because it is too small and feels like a $65k kit car. The new CTS V is sharp and I expect the dealers to be asking $5k over sticker at first. I would just wait until the demand drops in 6 months. Price around $60k base seems about right, before you add GGT and I'll most likely go with the auto. My guess is $65k for a fully loaded V which is what I was looking at on my C6 Vert but C6s are not going for MSRP anymore.

M5 is nice but interior is too bland IMO. C63 is sweat and probably around $73k. The V needs to stay $10k under the AMG.

Who made Florian a mod? I leave this site and everything goes to heck. Just kidding!


Having an '07 Exige S for a year now, I can honestly say, this is the most fun, direct, incredible *non-daily kit car* on the market.

I've never had as much fun - and the car has abilities, far, far beyond mine, even in stock trim.

Just my .02

WW

Taking orders to get on the list now. Will sell for MSRP..

I just came over here from the Dell website. I need a new laptop...

Having an '07 Exige S for a year now, I can honestly say, this is the most fun, direct, incredible *non-daily kit car* on the market.

I've never had as much fun - and the car has abilities, far, far beyond mine, even in stock trim.

Just my .02

WW

WW,
At least you admit the Exige is a non-daily car. I would be worried about someone bending my A pillar down if I forgot to warn them when they tried to get into the car. It is a sweat car though. I'm thinking with my joints it would be harder to get in and out of the Lotus these days though. I'm also concerned about Lotus being owned by a Malayasian company (Proton I think).

Taking orders to get on the list now. Will sell for MSRP..

Honor GMS and your phone will ring.

I just noticed. V logo on the door? VUGLY!

2009 V, you are dead to me :lildevil:

-Chris

Chris,

Chances are good that you can debadge the door. Don't know about the spoiler though.

Who made Florian a mod? I leave this site and everything goes to heck. Just kidding!

banned.


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Honor GMS and your phone will ring.

twice....


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Who made Florian a mod? I leave this site and everything goes to heck. Just kidding!
:shhh: Shhhhh. He's supporting my member. :yup:

what is GMS?

4200 lbs. :eek:

4200 lbs. :eek:Lose weight to compensate. Of course, Tony and urby are screwed...

what is GMS?

GM employee pricing. I'm eligible because my father worked for the General for forever. Figure $500 under dealer invoice. To give you a for instance, a fully loaded 2008 Z06 with a sticker of $77,790, goes for $67,108. So if the new V is $65K, I should be able to buy it for $56K or so. Provided GM will allow GMS and provided I can find a willing dealer.

:shhh: Shhhhh. He's supporting my member. :yup:

CVP is special...Ill only support his member.


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banned.


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How is it going Florian? I'll be hanging around a bit until I decide if I want to go with the new V or a C6.

Damn! Forget about Camaro!
I am going V!!!