: AP Racing Big Brake Group Buy



stillen guy
05-20-03, 03:59 PM
Hello Everyone!

My name is Don Weberg, and I am the marketing coordinator for STILLEN in Costa Mesa, California. One of our divisions, Brake-Pros, is the Exclusive North American Distributor for AP Racing Brakes. As such, they can put together some great deals on their products.

AP Racing builds a Big Brake Upgrade for the Cadillac Escalade comprised of massive 14-inch cross-drilled and slotted 2-piece rotors, 6-piston alloy calipers, and all necessary hardware including stainless steel lines. The upgrade is perfect for towing, descending long grades, or emergency stopping as they resist fade extremely effectively and offer excellent initial bite. The upgrade also ensures an excellent pedal feel, inspiring confidence.

Aside from the performance aspect of the brakes, they look terrific behind rims which can make stock brakes look tiny. The calipers are available in subtle black with yellow lettering or eye-popping red with black lettering.

This brake upgrade is a true AP Racing upgrade, not a kit with an AP Caliper and no-name rotor and hardware. The components are derived from AP's experience at racing circuits worldwide such as Formula 1, World Rally, and NASCAR.

The Group Buy works like this:
Regular Price = $2,995
2 or more people = Group Buy Price $2,795

If you have any questions, post them here, or email me directly. Thanks very much for you interest, and I'll hope to hear from you!

Sincerely,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN
dweberg@stillen.com
714.540.5566

Mad'lac
05-20-03, 04:03 PM
You have any brakes for the '80-'92 Fleetwood Broughams (RWD)?

stillen guy
05-20-03, 04:58 PM
Hello Mad'Lac!

In terms of Big Brake Upgrades, no, there are none, and to the best of my knowledge no aftermarket company makes them. However, what we do have are Sport Rotors and Metal Matrix Pads.

These are direct replacement rotors and pads which offer a higher level of heat dissipation and grip than OE brakes, which equates to better stopping distances and less fade. To complement the kit, Motul 600 Brake Fluid and stainless steel lines are recommended.

The pure synthetic (not silicone) fluid helps to keep temperatures down, and density up, meaning that pedal feel is improved. Stainless lines (if available for your make/model/year) would further enhance firm pedal feel as there is no "line flex" which rubber lines are prone to doing.

Check out www.stillen.com and look into the Brake Pros section for more info on the Sport Rotors and Metal Matrix Pads. I think they might be of interest to you and your car!!

Sincerely,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN
714.540.5566
dweberg@stillen.com

hcvone
05-22-03, 08:13 AM
Don, I have a few questions for you, I have used your Sport Rotors and Metal Matrix Pads on two of my 5.9 Grand Cherokee's and two of my Overland Grand Cherokee, your rotors are first rate, your Metal Matrix pads worked great on the 5.9 Grand Cherokee's but squeeled very bad on the Overland's, and this is a common problem on Grand Cherokee's from 99-03 due to the fact that you do not have your pads shimed for these Jeeps, you can see the problems on the different Jeep Forums. With this big brake kit can you use the stock 17" wheels on the 03' Escalade? I run 22" wheels in the spring summer and fall but put the stock wheels back on for the winter months to use all terrain tires, thank you.

stillen guy
05-27-03, 12:07 PM
Hi
To the best of my knowledge, you need 18-inchers for this brake kit. The factory 17s are just not big enough. I'll double check with the brake manager to be certain, but that's usually the case with AP Racing.

On another note, I'm looking at your signiture, and you've got some super sweet rides! I'm actually looking into purchasing an M5 (2002) from a friend of mine who is going to be getting into an S8 pretty soon. It's red/tan, and all stock with only 6k miles on it, as he works mainly from home and when he goes out he usually uses a Lexus SC400 (1996, 234k miles, no problems...kinda scary). How do you like the M? Have you had any problems with it? Just curious...thanks!!

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN
714.540.5566

hcvone
05-27-03, 03:58 PM
Don, thanks for the kind words. The M5 is a great car, I am sure you would be very happy driving it around, it offers Corvette performance to 100 and the handling is great as well, it's a fun car to drive

stillen guy
05-29-03, 11:32 AM
Yea, yea...sure, tease me with it! hehe...no, thanks very much, I'm glad to hear no problems with yours and that you like it. I have always been a BMW junkie, and when I rode in my buddy's I was sold.

As for the rim question, 18-inchers are absolutes. Manager says the factory rims don't go over the APRs.

Thanks again,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN

Katshot
05-29-03, 12:45 PM
What about brake upgrade kits for a '95 Impala SS?

stillen guy
05-29-03, 01:44 PM
Hey Kevin

One of my favorite cars! Stillen offers front and rear direct replacement rotors, pads, and stainless steel brake lines for the mid-1990's Impalas and Caprices (including Police Package Cars).

The Sport Rotors are cross-drilled OR slotted and designed to litterally swap out the factory discs. They are superior to factory equipment in terms of heat dissipation, pad sweep, and initial pad bit, and look fabulous behind the wheels. The Metal Matrix Pads offer excellent bite and heat manangement, especially when used with the Sport Rotors. The Stainless Steel Brake Lines are made by Goodridge, who you may have heard from through various racing circuits. These lines reduce "line flex" which supports a firm pedal feel and keeps pressure up in the caliper, helping to ensure superior clamping force.

Another way to further imrpove on these steps is to use Motul 600 Brake Fluid. This is a true synthetic (not silicone) chemical design offering an extremely high boiling point, which means it's not only a thicker fluid, but beter able to improve pedal feel.

So there ya go...Front and Rear Sport Rotors, Metal Matrix Pads, Motul Fluid, and Goodridge Stainless Steel Lines. The combo will absolutely improve your pedal feel, braking distances, and overall fade resistance.

FYI...This combination is also available for the Seville!

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN

Katshot
05-29-03, 02:02 PM
I'm actually interested in something for my Caddy but nobody makes anything for it. Since I have the Impala SS wheels on it, I can utilize anything that fits an SS. I'm currently looking at a Baer Brakes upgrade kit. Do you feel that your "kit" will give me anywhere near the kind of performance increase that I should get from their "kit"? Or am I really in need of the upgraded calipers too?

stillen guy
05-29-03, 02:42 PM
Hey Kevin

I'm honestly not too familiar with Baer products, so I can't safely say you do or do not need the upgraded calipers. The Fleetwood is a heavy car though, which I beleive shares the same system the Caprice, Impala, and Roadmaster use, which are modified Camaro/Firebird designs, depending on the year. So, there are two ways to look at it; one, Firebird/Camaro have over engineered brakes, or the Big GMs have inadequate brakes.

Things to keep in mind when hunting down upgraded brakes or components are fitting, size, and cost though. Is the Baer Upgrade going to widen the vehicle's track? One thing I do know about some of their products is that they are prone to pushing the wheels out a little more than they should be, offering handling and ride issues. Be certain to check on that with Baer, make sure they promise the track will remain exactly as it is, or no more than an inch out.

While Stillen doesn't offer an upgraded caliper, our product won't push out the wheels, and I'll bet the Stillen Combo won't hit your wallet for as many coin as the Baer.

That's the best I can do with that question, so I hope it helps. If you need more, let me know.

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN

elwesso
06-05-03, 01:19 PM
Hey,

What do you have in the way for a 1994 infinti Q45??

stillen guy
06-05-03, 02:26 PM
Hi Wes....

Now you're talking our language! Stillen's main forte is Nissan/Infiniti tuning, so when it comes to Q-ships, we've got you pretty well covered. Exhausts, Brakes, Intakes, Body Kits, Wheel/Tire combos, leather packages, and so on.

Check out www.stillen.com and use the MAKE, MODEL, YEAR feature to locate your car and find more info!!

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN

PS....No Caddy???

the Sandman
06-05-03, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by stillen guy
So there ya go...Front and Rear Sport Rotors, Metal Matrix Pads, Motul Fluid, and Goodridge Stainless Steel Lines. The combo will absolutely improve your pedal feel, braking distances, and overall fade resistance.

FYI...This combination is also available for the Seville!I looked on Stillen.com, entered my data ('02 STS) and came up empty. Can you please verify what brake upgrade parts you have for my Caddy?

stillen guy
06-05-03, 07:24 PM
Hey Sandman
We have sport rotors for the car. I know we do as their in my application guide.

Give Sal Castaneda a call at 800.711.4123 x132. I'm pretty sure he can help you out better, but they are in the ap guide.

Good luck,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN

elwesso
06-07-03, 11:53 PM
Stillen guy......

Yes I know no caddy, but this place is too golden too leave, and besides id rather drive a caddy anyway......

If I get stuff through you, can you give me some discounts :) ;)

Mad'lac
06-08-03, 12:00 PM
Hey Stillen Guy, what do you have for the 89-93 Nissan 240SX Coupe? I'm down to either buying a 240SX Coupe or a Miata to have some fun with driving the twisty roads we have out here in the Hill Country.

stillen guy
06-09-03, 12:02 PM
Hey Guys...

Wes-- As for the Q-Ship, they're great rides, but I understand what you mean about the Caddy...there is just something about a Cadillac! As for discounts on "stuff," depending on what it is I may or may not be able to help out. Best bet is to call me, and I'll see what I can do. Sorry to sound vague, but it's the best I can do.

By the way, so that everyone knows, I don't get any kind of commission on these sales. I just try and let people know what we have and generate interest.

Mad'lac -- As for the 240SX, we have a good number of performance parts, and a few aesthetic components to gussie up your ride. The 240SX is a highly underrated car, falling in the shadow of the 300ZX and (in my opinion) not really well marketed to begin with. Because of that "shadowing," it's a bit rough finding parts for those cars. However, if you're interested in running a few twisties, we offer Front Strut Braces, Adjustible Tension Rods, and (of course) Hi-Performance Brakes.

Strut Braces enhance chassis rigidity by reducing the amount of flex the body may take advantage of in cornering situations. Adjustible Tension Rods replace the factory-appointed rubber-ended units (which wear out very quickly) with all-steel components. Together your 240 will handle much sharper than before. Another way to add to the corner-taming prowess of the 240 is with a Coil Over Suspension Kit.

If you need more power, we offer aluminum flywheels (a really great way to lower your 1/4-mile or 0-60 times), Hi-Flow air intakes, Headers, Plug Wires, rear-section exhausts, and ignition upgrades. If you want some serious alphalt melting performance, order the SR20DET Conversion. This setup will put you close to being an all-out Silvia in Japan.

So there ya go...if you guys want, privately email me with an address or phone number, and I can have the sales department mail you out some catalogs.

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN
714.540.5566
dweberg@stillen.com

elwesso
06-09-03, 12:19 PM
Don,

I am interested in getting an FSTB..... And I know that most of the NICO members are getting 2000+ maxima bars from ebay for $12 and drilling another hole to fit the Q..... Are there any reasons why anyone should spend an extra $130 for the stillen bar (minus the fact that it is already fitted)???

stillen guy
06-09-03, 12:59 PM
Hola Wes,

While it seems financially logical to go with an aftermarket Maxima bar and simply drill holes in it for proper fitment, there are a few reasons why not to do this.

One...the Maxima bars are designed to control a car weighing roughly 3,500 pounds, while Q45 bars are engineered for a number over 4,000 pounds. The Q's mass puts a lot more pressure on sway bars than a Maxima. This means that if you replace a stock Q bar with an aftermarket Maxima bar you're probably increasing stiffness by about 1 to 2 percent, and running the risk of twisting the bar. Frankly, that's not enough rigidity for the money or the risk of screwing up a bar and who knows what else.

Two...if you do drill an aftermarket bar, and twist, bend, or break it, the warranty is out the window...so, you're out X-amount of dollars and a sway bar. So, you bolt on the stock one again and you're right back where you started, or spend $x for a proper sway bar for the Q. Either way, you're out money and time and your car might be damaged.

Stillen doesn't have a sway bar for the Q. However, if you have a Standard model you can purchase a pretty stiff bar from Infiniti for the Touring Edition. It will bolt right on, and the results are very respectible, especially if you can conjur up some nice urethane bushings to go with them.

The call is obviously yours, but, it's always been my philosophy that anything worth doing at all is worth doing well. If you do it well, the chances of screw up and/or having to do it over are next to none. In the long run you, your car, and your wallet are going to be happy that you didn't "short cut" something.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN
714.540.5566

elwesso
06-09-03, 01:38 PM
Then how much is the stillen bar supposed to stiffen???

Honestly, do you think it is worth the money (because believe me I could find something else to spend 150 on)

stillen guy
06-09-03, 02:25 PM
lol...I hear you loud and clear about finding something else to spend money on.

Like I said, if you buy a proper bar, like the one from Infiniti, it can make a good deal of differance. If you buy and modifiy a Maxima Bar, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck.

Stillen bars, depending upon application, are engineered to stiffen the suspension by no less than 7 percent, and most of our bars offer adjustibility, which means you can go up to roughly 70 percent more stiffness than factory.

Is it worth it, in my opinion, yes. Sway bars make driving more fun. You can take curves a little harder, feel the road a little better, and basically gain more confidence in your vehicle. However, since Stillen doesn't make a sway bar for the Q, I don't know aside from Infiniti where to get you one. However, what we can help with are springs, shocks/struts, camber arms (if you lower it), and tension rods. All these items can improve the handling ability of your Q.

Another tip that I'd like to offer though is tires.

If you've got good, sticky performance tires, and a sway bar, you're really going to have fun. Tires like the Eagle F1, Parada Spec2, Corsa, and Firehawk (opinions vary on that one) can give you some very good grip, and that's what corenering calls for, grip and balance.

My advice to you is to call the Infiniti dealer and ask for a price on a Touring Sway Bar that will fit your year Q. If it's too much, maybe look into some tires. If you can swing it, do both.

What else did you have in mind for the $150, if you don't mind the question?

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN
714.540.5566

elwesso
06-09-03, 02:34 PM
Well I am going to upgrade to the tockico blues shocks all around, and get all new rubber, busings and gaskets to go along with that..... Along with replacing all the filters, changing the Tstat, fixing the leather seats, and flushing the tranny, I wont have much left.... I may also look into some cross drilled rotors....

Also, I noticed on the stillen.com, it offers new computer upgrades.... How much performance upgrades do they offer......

stillen guy
06-09-03, 03:02 PM
Wow..yea, you're putting some serious coin into that puppy, which is great!! I'm glad to see it's being maintained.

Your choice of shocks is excellent. I really gained a lot of respect for Tokico when I pulled the factory installed Toks from my Toyota 4x4 and they weren't terrible. 101k miles. I am wondering if the Bilsteins I have on there now will make it that far.

If you're doing the filter, might I suggest getting a Hi-Flow Air Intake unit? They are designed for the Q45 and feature a washable/reuseable filter element, Venturi Ring, and all required attachments. The Hi-Flow not only creates a terrific sound under the hood when pressed, but actually traps more impurities in the air, and increases air flow. Bottom line is more power off-the-cuff. Couple this with the rear-section exhaust, and your Q will be making a lot more power that you will feel from the seat of your pants.

I didn't know anything about the computer upgrade, so I contacted one o the salesmen to learn more. Bottom line, it makes some good power, but it might require a purchase of a new intake depending on the year of the car. The computer is reprogrammed and usually takes a little bit of time for the work to be done.

The man I spoke to is James Phan (pronounced fan), one of my favorite guys to hang with here. Give him a call, or email him, and I'm certain he can give you more info than me, and don't worry, he's not one of those stereotypical pushy guys...I don't hang out with them.

800-711-0310 / 714.540.9154 x 139 jamesp@stillen.com

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN

elwesso
06-09-03, 03:14 PM
Yes, I am putting some dough into this, but I do plan on keeping it for many a mile, and I am doing all this stuff myself (minus the shocks), so it shouldnt be too bad.....

I wont be buying an intake kit or exhaust.... On NICO, we have dyno-ed with all stock and with intake/exhaust modified, and it is only about a 5hp difference, and a Q45 technician has said that modifieng the intake is pointless, and it really can mess things up...... Not to mention it just sucks in hot underhood air, which can actually reduce HP regardless of its flow capability...

stillen guy
06-09-03, 03:50 PM
ok...

I'm not trying to talk you into anything here, honestly, but coming from a magazine background, I can safely say OE techs hate modified cars because they don't know how/like to work on them!! =;-)

But, when it comes to Stillen's products, we put a lot of time into the R&D to make certain each component will not impose on the workings of the car itself, only enhance how it works. When the 350Z came out, we were the ones most likely to produce "stuff" for it, and we did. But we were one of the latest to the party because of all the R&D put into each part. Because of that, we learned more about the Z than many competitors, and in that knowledge, we were able to build power building parts that are safe for the car. All of our products are the same way.

Like I said, it's up to you, but if you want more power, you need to do some changes, and sometimes those mods don't show up on the dyno much at all, but you do notice them in the seat of your pants.

Maybe give James a call, and see if he might know about something we don't which might interest you. However, if you're truely not interested in any performance mods, maybe what you need is a facelift. Stillen offers a few body mods for the Q-ship which are nice, subtle yet aggressive touches to the stock look. They don't enhance performance much, but they do give the car a new look.

Cheers,
Don Weberg
Marketing Coordinator
STILLEN