: I've Had It With Firefox



Ranger
12-06-07, 01:55 PM
I keep getting "Firefox exe has generated errors and will be shut down by Windows. You will need to restart the program. An error log has been created". :bomb: I have uninstalled and reinstalled it. Downloaded the latest version 2.0.0.11. I am fed up with it. :annoyed: I'm using Netscape now. Anyone recommend a similar browser that works.

Lord Cadillac
12-06-07, 01:58 PM
That started happening to me after awhile and I could never get it fixed. I gave up and went back to IE7 at that point. Now I'm using Safari on the Mac, with no issues so far...

malcolm
12-06-07, 02:00 PM
Call me crazy but I dwell in a Microsoft world. I know, I know, and I'm a networking professional but anyway, properly patched with updated virus and spam blocking I have absolutely no problems at all. IE6 only please. We have aver 40 thousand of these suckers running in the network and we seem to be doing OK.

Playdrv4me
12-06-07, 02:00 PM
There's something else going on with your software configuration. Figuring it out could be a little more troublesom than it's worth though.

Sure there are many many others. "Opera" is one of the ones I like the most, Apple has ported its "Safari" browser to Windows now and I'm sure youll get alot of other ones people like. You just have to see which one you like using the best.

I'm with Malcolm though. Inevitably I always end up clicking that blue "E" either by habit or just because I like the way it operates.

Fire and Ice
12-06-07, 02:02 PM
I use firefox on my Windows POS and Safari on my MAC. No issues with either system... check for issues with firewalls, anti-spyware and Antivirus software.

C

Cadillacboy
12-06-07, 02:05 PM
I do use IE7 .It sporadically gives error messages due to Adobe Flash Player according to the computer lol
You can also try Opera . I don't know other browsers that much

gothicaleigh
12-06-07, 02:32 PM
www.opera.com

Opera can also emulate IE or FF when needed for wonky sites with poor coding.

AMGoff
12-06-07, 02:51 PM
There are definitely some underlying issues with your system... you've got someone lurking somewhere.

If you're tired of Firefox... then you should give Safari, (http://www.apple.com/safari/) Opera, (http://www.opera.com/download/) or even IE7 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/default.mspx) a shot.

EcSTSatic
12-06-07, 02:56 PM
Firefox is solid. I use it on Vista, 2000 and XP.
If you go to another browser you may just be masking the problem(s). Try disabling some of the other active s/w first. It may just be some compatibility issues as mentioned. PC World has some free tools to scan registry, malware etc that may help.

AMGoff
12-06-07, 04:02 PM
I know some people swear by FF but I've personally never seen what's so great about it. There are about 4-5 other browsers that I'd rather use... and hell... one of them is IE. It does what it's built to do (for the most part) but that's it... it's just another browser.

HITMONEY
12-06-07, 04:33 PM
FireFox USE to be the sheot, now it has become a big fat pig of a resource hog that crashes so often it makes Windows 95 look stable.

RippyPartsDept
12-06-07, 04:37 PM
i use firefox for the customization/extensions
(currently in the process of writing a primer on my personal must-have extensions)
i also use firefox for security. There's tons of silent/auto-install malware out there that firefox won't pick up and IE will.

i block all flash (unless i allow it temp or permanently)
i block all scripting the same way too
i can see and delete the passwords that firefox has stored
tabs
context search (highlight any text on a page, right click it and any of my search plugins can search that highlighted text in a new tab)
adblock plus (i exempt sites like this and digg, so i can click on their ads and support them)
the customize google extension is pretty sweet too
bugmenot integration is nice... no need to go the the bugmenot site to see if there's an available login
image zoom extension is cool too
coralize is nice for getting the cached versions of pages (although a cache isn't always available)
the pdf download extension is nice too... lets you choose to download, open, or view as html
sytlish, greasemonkey and platypus are more advanced, but let you control the way you view a webpage
and the searchbar autosizer too... don't forget that... pretty self explanatory

anywho... i've never really had bad problems with firefox... most anything that is caused by firefox has to do with the user profile, and starting a new profile usually clears anything up

there is malware out there targeting firefox now, but you've gotta install it... kinda like the malware out there targeting the mac platform... you've gotta install it... no auto-installs

so there you have it... my little rant

HITMONEY
12-06-07, 05:00 PM
None of that matters if it is crashing all the time.

:(

RippyPartsDept
12-06-07, 05:32 PM
None of that matters if it is crashing all the time.

:(

that would most likely be bill gates' fault
not the moz foundation's

Ranger
12-06-07, 08:25 PM
I am using Windows 2000. I have Zone Alarm, AVG (aniy-virus) and ABP installed. Maybe it is my imagination, but it seems to only cause this problem on this site. Why only here? It just crashed again and I am now back on Netscape. It seemed to work fine for a long time. Not sure how to go about changing my profile. It's driving me nuts! :banghead:

Ranger
12-06-07, 08:41 PM
Goddammit! Now Netscape just did the same thing (on this site). My days here may be numbered if I can't figure this out.

AMGoff
12-06-07, 08:47 PM
what happens if you access the site from internet explorer?

nikon
12-06-07, 08:50 PM
In firefox, after it crashes....click tools, then click error console.....tell us the most recent couple things that are listed.

aamusls06
12-06-07, 08:55 PM
My firefox runs pretty solid. Knocks on wood.

Ranger
12-06-07, 09:44 PM
what happens if you access the site from internet explorer?
I'm on IE now. So far, so good, but slower than molasses in January.


In firefox, after it crashes....click tools, then click error console.....tell us the most recent couple things that are listed.
Warning: Unknown property 'word-wrap'. Declaration dropped.
Source File: http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-3614811330811661&dt=1196990149390&lmt=1196990146&prev_fmts=728x90_as&format=300x250_as&output=html&correlator=1196990149390&channel=9706695716&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox-2.html&color_bg=f5f5ff&color_text=000000&color_link=3e5687&color_url=000000&color_border=f5f5ff&ad_type=text_image&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox.html&cc=100&ga_vid=148269755.1193019745&ga_sid=1196990057&ga_hid=767795344&ga_fc=true&flash=7&u_h=600&u_w=800&u_ah=572&u_aw=800&u_cd=16&u_tz=-360&u_his=15&u_java=true&u_nplug=10&u_nmime=35
Line: 2

Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'line-height'. Declaration dropped.
Source File: http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-3614811330811661&dt=1196990149390&lmt=1196990146&prev_fmts=728x90_as&format=300x250_as&output=html&correlator=1196990149390&channel=9706695716&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox-2.html&color_bg=f5f5ff&color_text=000000&color_link=3e5687&color_url=000000&color_border=f5f5ff&ad_type=text_image&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox.html&cc=100&ga_vid=148269755.1193019745&ga_sid=1196990057&ga_hid=767795344&ga_fc=true&flash=7&u_h=600&u_w=800&u_ah=572&u_aw=800&u_cd=16&u_tz=-360&u_his=15&u_java=true&u_nplug=10&u_nmime=35
Line: 2

Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'line-height'. Declaration dropped.
Source File: http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-3614811330811661&dt=1196990149390&lmt=1196990146&prev_fmts=728x90_as&format=300x250_as&output=html&correlator=1196990149390&channel=9706695716&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox-2.html&color_bg=f5f5ff&color_text=000000&color_link=3e5687&color_url=000000&color_border=f5f5ff&ad_type=text_image&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox.html&cc=100&ga_vid=148269755.1193019745&ga_sid=1196990057&ga_hid=767795344&ga_fc=true&flash=7&u_h=600&u_w=800&u_ah=572&u_aw=800&u_cd=16&u_tz=-360&u_his=15&u_java=true&u_nplug=10&u_nmime=35
Line: 2

Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'font-size'. Declaration dropped.
Source File: http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-3614811330811661&dt=1196990149390&lmt=1196990146&prev_fmts=728x90_as&format=300x250_as&output=html&correlator=1196990149390&channel=9706695716&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox-2.html&color_bg=f5f5ff&color_text=000000&color_link=3e5687&color_url=000000&color_border=f5f5ff&ad_type=text_image&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadillacforums.com%2Fforums%2 Fcadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions%2F125105-ive-had-firefox.html&cc=100&ga_vid=148269755.1193019745&ga_sid=1196990057&ga_hid=767795344&ga_fc=true&flash=7&u_h=600&u_w=800&u_ah=572&u_aw=800&u_cd=16&u_tz=-360&u_his=15&u_java=true&u_nplug=10&u_nmime=35
Line: 2

Warning: Unknown property 'filter'. Declaration dropped.
Source File: http://shopcloud.chitika.net/minimall?w=300&h=250&client=Collaziano&noctxt=1&sid=cadillac&url=http%3A//www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/125105-ive-had-firefox-2.html&query=cadillac%20xlr-v&type=cpu&mquery=cadillac%20escalade%7Ccadillac%20cts%7Ccadi llac%20srx%7Ccadillac%20xlr%7Ccadillac%20sts%7Ccad illac%20cts-v%7Ccadillac%20sts-v%7Ccadillac%20xlr-v%7Cescalade%20esv%7Cescalade%20esv%7Ccadillac%20f leetwood%7Ccadillac%20deville%7Ccadillac%20seville %7Ccadillac%20eldorado%7Ccadillac%20catera%7Ccadil lac%20cimarron%7Ccadillac%20brougham%7Ccadillac%20 dts&shoplinc_url=http%3A//collaziano.shoplinc.com&top_color=FF3700&font_change=2&tags_max=40&font_max=28&font_min=9&att=Cadillac%20Products&cl_border=F5F5FF&cl_bg=F5F5FF&cl_title=FFFFFF&cl_title_bg=FF3799&cl_text=3E5687&fn_title=Arial&fn_text=Arial&ref=http%3A//www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/125105-ive-had-firefox.html&cb=945
Line: 228


This is just the first 5. There are many, many more. Sure hope you guys can help. Keep in mind that I am not very computer savy.

nikon
12-06-07, 10:27 PM
Do you have any pop-up blockers running? Because it's all ad errors that are occurring.

Ranger
12-06-07, 11:10 PM
Yes, I am running ABP (AdBlock Plus) on the advice of this forum to block that Kontera crap that I could not turn off.

Kev
12-06-07, 11:28 PM
Hi Ranger,

I'm using FF and running ABP on it too. I've never had any of the problems you have mentioned here. If you don't like the browser and want to use another that's fine, but if the program is crashing you really need to find the root problem because as you are experiencing, it's not FF only that is crashing.

When is the last time you ran a full virus scan? How about a Trojan scan? I'd start by looking for viruses and Trojans and then I'd run a few searches on FF crashing, you might find some good leads that might help you find the problem.

Brizzal
12-06-07, 11:32 PM
yea i like FF over IE7 any day...

Ranger
12-06-07, 11:44 PM
Hi Ranger,

I'm using FF and running ABP on it too. I've never had any of the problems you have mentioned here. If you don't like the browser and want to use another that's fine, but if the program is crashing you really need to find the root problem because as you are experiencing, it's not FF only that is crashing.

When is the last time you ran a full virus scan? How about a Trojan scan? I'd start by looking for viruses and Trojans and then I'd run a few searches on FF crashing, you might find some good leads that might help you find the problem.

Well that's just great. From Nikons post I thought maybe we nailed it down to ABP, but from your post I guess I can rule that out. I'm just not computer savy enough to track this stuff down. It DOES seem to be associated with this site though. It's not the browser I don't like. Infact, I really like FF and would hate to have to get rid of it (I reeeeally miss the built in spell check). I ran a virus scan on AVG yesterday. I hate to disable the popup blockers if I don't have to. I'll hold off and see what others have to say. I can diagnose a car problem with half assed accuracy, but I'm really at a loss here.

Ranger
12-07-07, 12:43 AM
OK, I went to tools > options and updated everything. There were only 2, ABP & performance (whatever the hell that is). Went back to FF and so far so good. Time will tell.

Night Wolf
12-07-07, 02:09 AM
I used to use Fire Fox on my XP computer... I liked it alot, but towards the end, I was getting those same exact error messages.

On the new laptop, I am using IE7, it's just easier, already on here, and most of all, it looks really pretty along with the rest of Vista.... does what I need it to do :)

Ranger
12-07-07, 12:02 PM
Well that did not work. I was not on for 5 minutes when I got the same error message. After that I got the "blue screen of death" and had to shut down and reboot the computer. I'm on SBC Yahoo browser now. Gotta go pick up my car from the body shop and getready for work. I'll check back in later this afternoon if anyone has any more ideas.

I think this is the latest error.

Warning: Expected declaration but found '*'. Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: http://www.yahoo.com/
Line: 226

nikon
12-07-07, 12:18 PM
^^ I hate to say it but I think it's time you format and start over.......I've had to do it twice already on Vista.....that, or go buy a mac :p

RippyPartsDept
12-07-07, 05:01 PM
^^ I hate to say it but I think it's time you format and start over.......I've had to do it twice already on Vista.....that, or go buy a mac :p

YEAH... re-install windows ... copy all your important stuff (firefox profile as well) off to a cd or other storage media. If you have another internal drive D:, E:, etc... even better (its faster to copy to and from an internal drive)

I find that unless you're an ultra savvy computer user (and lucky) you'll have to re-install every year or two.

and once again, i blame that on bill gates

Ranger
12-07-07, 05:35 PM
And there in lies the problem. I have no idea how to "format and start over".

Cadillacboy
12-08-07, 09:27 AM
bump !

If you have a system restore or recovery wizard in your computer, you can use them for the exact solution . You needn't to format it by yourself,the computer does that on its own for you .

Ranger
12-08-07, 10:06 AM
I think there is some kind of a "Wizard" in this thing. How do I do this?

Ranger
12-08-07, 12:01 PM
It must have happened 5 times this morning. I am really getting pissed! Never seems to happen on caddyinfo or any other site. Only here. WHY? It always says "Firefox exe" has created errors. That should be a big clue. What the hell is Firefox exe and how do I fix it?

Cadillacboy
12-08-07, 04:33 PM
That's really and odd problem yet still good news at least it only happens on this site . Having not used Firefox I don't know what it means . My suggestion is that hopefully helps you out is close all tolls,toolbars on your browser . And try browsing this site .
Another thing is you re uninstall Firefox and re install it .
I hope computer gurus help you out .I will post your issues with Firefox on other forums by your permission as well so that some computer guys can shed a light on this .

Ranger
12-08-07, 04:39 PM
Another thing is you re uninstall Firefox and re install it .
tried that. Didn't help.


I will post your issues with Firefox on other forums by your permission as well so that some computer guys can shed a light on this .
By all means, please do. I need all the help I can get.

Cadillacboy
12-08-07, 05:14 PM
I just did that ,hope they will post some useful recommendations other than formatting and using a different browser .

Kev
12-08-07, 06:40 PM
It must have happened 5 times this morning. I am really getting pissed! Never seems to happen on caddyinfo or any other site. Only here. WHY? It always says "Firefox exe" has created errors. That should be a big clue. What the hell is Firefox exe and how do I fix it?Firefox.exe is the executable (.exe) file or the actual program itself.

One of the other add-ons that I use is NoScript, it prevents scripts from automatically running on your browser. I'm also running that and have only cadillacforums.com listed as a trusted site, none of the others here which helps my browsing speed here. I don't know if that will help your problem Ranger but you might try it and see.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722

Ranger
12-08-07, 07:43 PM
I'll give it a shot tomorrow. I'll try anything. Hopefully it won't cause problems with other sites.

Kev
12-08-07, 08:21 PM
You will have to go through a learning curve with it. It's similar to a software firewall solution in that you will have to 'program' you preferences into it. More simply put, when you visit your usual sites you will want to add them as trusted by NoScript. It seems intuitive to me but if you try it and have some confusion I'll be happy to help you with it as much as I can.

Cadillacboy
12-09-07, 06:54 AM
This is what some guy said :
Some sites are incompatible with certain browsers - some inadequate web builders use browser-specific code which makes the pages break when you don't use their preferred browser.

You could also put the site's URL into the WWW validation service below and see if it's standards-conformant code.

http://validator.w3.org/

As I get other reponses ,I will post them here as well .

Ranger
12-09-07, 12:40 PM
Tried the above link, but I am obviously doing something wrong and have no clue. It said the URL was invalid. I'm a bit Leary to try Kev's link for fear that it is not my problem and it will cause more problems than I already have.

wait4me6920
12-09-07, 01:11 PM
Not that it may or may not have anything to do with your problems, Ranger, but I put this particular string's url in the validator & it listed 171 errors of one sort or another...

I'm using Firefox on a Mac & have had no problems despite the above report...

Ranger
12-09-07, 06:17 PM
Hmm. Well I have FireFox here at work as well and I just had it crash here a few minutes ago as well (though not as frequent) so I am pretty sure it has to be something on this site. At home the crashes are getting regular and frequent. I may be spending a lot less time here if I can't straighten this out.

Ranger
12-09-07, 07:35 PM
My wife just called me at work and said that she is having problems now with IE (which she has never had). I'm gonna run AVG, Spybot & Adaware scans when I get home. This is getting ugly.

Kev
12-09-07, 07:43 PM
Yes, run those. It sounds like you may have picked up something that is messing up your computers. It may be from a common source like a website or email.

RippyPartsDept
12-10-07, 10:04 AM
Ranger... it's most likely that since you've had AVG and Spybot installed that whatever is causing you problems is most likely a "Rootkit"

a rootkit basically is hidden from the computer
for a more complete explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

basically the virus scan won't find it because the rootkit can pull a jedi-mind-trick on the scanner

the only way to get rid of a rootkit is to re-install the whole operating system (windows in your case)

Sony gained some infamy when they installed one on your computer when you popped in one of their SONY/BMG "protected" CDs
the rootkit was designed to make sure people didn't copy the cd, but basically gave a back door to your machine for any malware that cared to check if you had the sony rootkit.

Do you know if you have a restore CD? Some newer machines have a restore partition (usually D: drive in my computer) that can be accessed during the reboot processes which is nice, because most people lose/misplace the restore cd. Sometimes you'll have to burn a restore cd from a program in the start menu.

let me know if you need more help

dwight.j.carter
12-10-07, 02:05 PM
I keep getting "Firefox exe has generated errors and will be shut down by Windows. You will need to restart the program. An error log has been created". :bomb: I have uninstalled and reinstalled it. Downloaded the latest version 2.0.0.11. I am fed up with it. :annoyed: I'm using Netscape now. Anyone recommend a similar browser that works.

Sounds like you should back up your information and reformat. Or you can continue using netscape as it is the same exact program as firefox.

JimmyH
12-10-07, 04:14 PM
^^ I hate to say it but I think it's time you format and start over.......I've had to do it twice already on Vista.....that, or go buy a mac :p

:yeah:


There is no such thing as uninstalling a program. All that does is remove the program files and some of the registry keys. Reinstalling the program (with or without uninstalling) will almost never solve any problems.

The best (and only) way to solve problems is formatting the drive and reinstalling. Todays computer systems make it easy. If you have Windows 2000 though, it sounds like you have an older system.

And most of the symptoms you are describing are what I call OS decay. Eventually, over time, with installing/uninstalling, data files being used, deleted, fragmenting of the hard drive etc; things just slow down and and you have to start fresh.

I typically wipe my computers and reinstall once a year. More if I think it needs it. I am anxious to see how my new iMac fares with this.


Anyway, Ranger, I am only like 20 miles from you. If you need help, let me know, we can hook up some weekend and I can reformat your drive for you, free of charge.

That sounds kinda dirty though...

dkozloski
12-10-07, 04:21 PM
Macs are becoming a victim of their inceased popularity. Mac viruses are becoming more prevalent everyday. It's not even close to PC's.... Yet!

JimmyH
12-10-07, 04:39 PM
I dont know, they are saying there are very few viruses for OS X, whereas there were plenty for OS 8 and 9.

But I agree, I am sure the virii for OS X are coming. I am still trying to decide which anti-virus to use for Mac.

Oh and that's another thing Ranger, I think those ad blockers and anti-malware programs are probably your biggest problem. They cause more problems than they potentially can prevent. If I get a virus or spyware or any of that crap, first thing I do is wipe/reinstall. None of them are worth trying to fix. Of course I can do that because I CONSTANTLY BACKUP!

wait4me6920
12-10-07, 05:29 PM
I dont know, they are saying there are very few viruses for OS X, whereas there were plenty for OS 8 and 9.

But I agree, I am sure the virii for OS X are coming. I am still trying to decide which anti-virus to use for Mac.

Oh and that's another thing Ranger, I think those ad blockers and anti-malware programs are probably your biggest problem. They cause more problems than they potentially can prevent. If I get a virus or spyware or any of that crap, first thing I do is wipe/reinstall. None of them are worth trying to fix. Of course I can do that because I CONSTANTLY BACKUP!

Jim, I'd recommend ClamXav - it's freeware & easy to setup & use... Of course, as they mention - there are still no OS X viruses out there despite what some say... True, the potential is there, but thus far OS X is clean...

http://www.clamxav.com/

As they recommend on the site, if you use the Mac version of Microsoft Office, turn off macro support to avoid possible infected Win Office doc problems...

The main reason I use ClamXav is for weeding out Windows viruses attached to email from Windows users... They can't harm OS X, but you can pass them along to others if you forward a contaminated email...

Now with Parallels Desktop, you will want to run the Windows version of your favorite virus program on the Windows side of the house.

Again, there are good freeware solutions that, to me, are better than Norton & McAfee (resource hogs)... AVG & Avast! are both good choices - but then, you know Windows resources...

Ranger
12-10-07, 05:39 PM
Well, spent 1 1/2 hrs when I got home last night running all the scans. This morning it took over 2 hrs. to download an AVG update (damn dial up). I had no time to try anything so I don't know if any of that did any good.


Anyway, Ranger, I am only like 20 miles from you. If you need help, let me know, we can hook up some weekend and I can reformat your drive for you, free of charge.
Thank you very much Jimmy. Very kind of you. Stand by, I may have to take you up on that offer as I am not sure I know what I am doing enough to reformat. Will keep you updated.

Cadillacboy
12-10-07, 05:56 PM
Ranger, another idea from the members is that the latest version FF is said to be run perfectly . Anyway, good luck w/ your issues

Ranger
12-10-07, 06:05 PM
I think I just updated the latest version a few days ago. That was one of my first attempts to solve this problem.

Cadillacboy
12-10-07, 06:15 PM
BTW, my hat is off to you once again considerin you use dial up and try to reach every messages namely Deville,Seville,Technical Forums .....That's an amazing thing .

AMGoff
12-10-07, 06:37 PM
The Mac virus talk is being exaggerated... there's one piece of malicious code that's barely in the wild, you have to download it, type your admin password in, and install it, even then it only grants limited access to non-essential parts of your filesystem, and beyond that it's not even self-propagating.. do you know who exposes and plays up this stuff - anti-virus companies... gee.. I wonder why they do that.

The "Security through Obscurity" is an argument used by the likes of Windows apologists and old kurmudgens living out in the middle of nowhere. If that was the case, there would have been none for the classic Mac OS, but there were... there would be nothing out there for Linux either due to their miniscule presence - but there are.

Every year for a half a decade there have been reports of something and nothing has materialized - all of which have been played up by AV companies. There are at least 25 million Macs surfing the net, and have been for 5+ years now. A widespread, crippling virus for OS X would be the "holy grail" for those who do such thing... they've had years to come up with something... where is it? If the user-base is so small that it just wouldn't be worth it, then why is there anything for Linux, whose user base is in the thousands, compared to the millions running a Mac?

It's hogwash and nothing more, and to think there is going to be this flood of malicious code for the Mac just because they've increased a few percentage points is equally absurd. Bash the platform all you want, but just don't try to tell me that there haven't been any attacks just because it's user-base is so small as that argument doesn't hold even a drop of water.

If anyone wants to waste their money on a Mac anti-virus, go right ahead, but it's nothing more than snake-oil.

JimmyH
12-10-07, 07:12 PM
Jim, I'd recommend ClamXav - it's freeware

The main reason I use ClamXav is for weeding out Windows viruses attached to email from Windows users... They can't harm OS X, but you can pass them along to others if you forward a contaminated email...

exactly why i want it, i have had emails quarantined in the past for virii, and i would hate like hell to be the guy to pass a virus onto someone...

clamxav does seem to be the choice, but it wasnt written for leopard, tho people say it is working with it



with Parallels Desktop, you will want to run the Windows version of your favorite virus program on the Windows side of the house.

Again, there are good freeware solutions that, to me, are better than Norton & McAfee (resource hogs)... AVG & Avast! are both good choices - but then, you know Windows resources...

like i said before, I think i am done with norton. this system doctor i have had running on Vista seems good, and not much of a hog. i think the lack of norton is what is making vista run faster on my pc than xp.

JimmyH
12-10-07, 07:14 PM
If anyone wants to waste their money on a Mac anti-virus, go right ahead, but it's nothing more than snake-oil.

I agree with some of what you are saying, but are you denying the possibility that you can pass a PC virus onto someone through your mac?

JimmyH
12-10-07, 07:16 PM
Thank you very much Jimmy. Very kind of you. Stand by, I may have to take you up on that offer as I am not sure I know what I am doing enough to reformat. Will keep you updated.

Hey dont mention it. Everyone knows what an asset you are to this community, if I can be the guy who keeps you here, yay me!

The upcoming weeks are going to be hectic with the holidays (and I am going out of town) but just let me know, we can work something out.

BTW, the short time I have spent on the mac, I so far really like Safari. They have a version for windows that you might try, I think I am going to try it. http://apple.com/safari

Zorb750
12-10-07, 11:08 PM
Firefox is almost as slow as IE.

Get Opera. You will not regret it. (re-download Flash if you like flash, I hate it.)

RippyPartsDept
12-11-07, 09:41 AM
I agree with some of what you are saying, but are you denying the possibility that you can pass a PC virus onto someone through your mac?

Isn't it the PC owner's responsibility to protect their own system?
and how many emails do you forward these days anyways?
and among those how many have attachments?

anyways i understand your concern, but really it's not necessary

JimmyH
12-11-07, 11:29 AM
Isn't it the PC owner's responsibility to protect their own system?

yes, but that does not mean I want to be sending out virii, even if they were sent to me


and how many emails do you forward these days anyways?
and among those how many have attachments?

at home, almost none; at work, ALOT, and so many people forward messages as attachments (instead of inline text the way they should) it is hard to tell nowadays what is a legitimate attachment and what is not

RippyPartsDept
12-11-07, 12:25 PM
OK.. I'm just saying that as a mac user you shouldn't have to pay for anti-virus that's only going to protect windows users who can get free anti-virus

JimmyH
12-11-07, 12:43 PM
well, you dont. Clamxav is free. I just installed it last night. And I am using spyware doctor with antivirus (www.pctools.com) on Windows, also free. It wont remove viruses unless you buy it, but the few times I got a virus, I did not screw around with. Wipe the hd and reinstall.

Ranger
12-11-07, 04:55 PM
Well, all the scans did no good. Got on this site this morning and started reading AJ's thread in the Northstar section and FF crashed. I had enabled "Backtalk" so I think it sent some type of message to Mozilla. Pulled up FF again and before the page could load, it crashed again. Tried once more and same thing. I gave up and went to Caddyinfo and then Ebay with no problems.

RippyPartsDept
12-11-07, 05:28 PM
ranger... the second time you pull up the site... after the initial crash, are you choosing to restore the session or start a new session?
it's understandable that you would crash twice if you restore the session since whatever caused the crash would load right back up

if i was you i would buy another hard drive (if you don't have access to a free/used hard drive) and install it in the computer, then install windows onto the new hard drive (leaving your current drive untouched as to preserve your data)

another tip for future reference:
i've found that it's a pretty good practice to have a second hard drive (internal or external it doesn't matter)
and save all the stuff you normally put into my documents and such on that hard drive
(the secondary one that is not running windows)
this makes it easy to re-install windows and not have to worry about losing any of your photos, mp3s, etc
all you have to do is reinstall all your programs

and on top of that there's 'imaging' software that will save your programs too
it's a bit more advanced, but the idea is that you install windows and all your programs and get everything configured the way you want
then run the image software to basically copy the drive as it is and if you have to reinstall you go off that image
that way you don't have to reinstall any of your programs

i'm probably butchering the specifics here but i hope the generalities made it through

Ranger
12-11-07, 07:27 PM
I did "restore session".

I think I understand what you are saying, just don't know how to do that stuff. I don't understand why it only seems to happen here.

wait4me6920
12-11-07, 11:33 PM
I did "restore session".

I think I understand what you are saying, just don't know how to do that stuff. I don't understand why it only seems to happen here.

You might try what Kev suggested earlier - this will allow you to prevent scripts from running on this site & could preclude the difficulties you're encountering.

Jimmy also mentioned trying Safari for Windows. It's a darned good browser on a Mac & the Windows version might prevent the freezes.

RippyPartsDept
12-12-07, 10:17 AM
i wouldn't use the safari for windows... i've heard that it's not all that great (but i guess where you're at you'll probably try anything)

and the noscript extension does sound like a good troubleshooting idea to narrow it down to a javascript issue or not
i use noscript at home and it takes a little extra effort since almost every site uses javascript
you'll get an S logo down in the bottom right of the status bar and when it's blocking javascript you'll have a red circle with the line through it over the S
click on it to see what domains are wanting to load up javascript and only temporarily allow (which takes effect until you close firefox) until you're sure you need it

when i use noscript i accept the javascript from the page i'm at and don't accept it for other domains (usually advertisments) unless i have to (like for streaming video... noscript blocks flash too)

keep us posted

wait4me6920
12-12-07, 11:17 AM
i wouldn't use the safari for windows... i've heard that it's not all that great (but i guess where you're at you'll probably try anything)

I love your rationale... :thepan:

"...I've heard that it's not all that great..."

Well, duh... It's free - give it a shot & then you can tell us how bad it is from personal experience... :helpless:

Wrestler07
12-12-07, 03:09 PM
I couldn't be happier with Firefox. I use it on XP and Vista with no problems. I only use IE when I absolutely have to but I can't stand it. I use Opera mobile on my PPC and couldn't be happier with that as well.

Ranger
12-12-07, 04:27 PM
Well, now my wife is having a problem with IE (which she likes). Seems that half the links she clicks on when doing a search sends her to "cyber script" (whatever that is) and then to a non relevant site. I am starting to think Jimmy is right. Wipe it clean and start over. What about this backup hard drive so I don't have to download everything again? Where do I get it? How much? Are they universal (like a fuse) or do I need a specific one for my computer (like brakes)? I'm so confused. :bonkers:

wait4me6920
12-12-07, 04:51 PM
Well, now my wife is having a problem with IE (which she likes). Seems that half the links she clicks on when doing a search sends her to "cyber script" (whatever that is) and then to a non relevant site. I am starting to think Jimmy is right. Wipe it clean and start over. What about this backup hard drive so I don't have to download everything again? Where do I get it? How much? Are they universal (like a fuse) or do I need a specific one for my computer (like brakes)? I'm so confused. :bonkers:

How old is your computer? What version of Windows? How large is your current hard drive? Does your machine have USB ports?

If so, one solution is to buy a USB drive which you can connect to your machine. You can then set it up to backup your data. You can pick one up for a bit under $100 & up, depending on the size of the hard drive it contains. The nice thing about these is that it's pretty much plug it in and go. Now, if you're running Windows 95 or 98, there'd probably be a problem since USB support was limited, shaky, or not there at all.

The other solution is to purchase an additional IDE hard drive, pry open your computer, plug it into the IDE harness & power harness &, if necessary, format to accept data. These'll run you a bit over $50 & up, again, depending on size. One issue - if your computer is really old, the bios may not read the full capacity of modern drives &, if this is the case, I'd suggest you invest in a new machine...

Cadillacboy
12-12-07, 05:51 PM
I have 500 GB WD external hard drive and I am happy with that .USB Port is important in regards to transferring the datas fast and easy . I believe 2.1 or 2.2 is the most efficient way . Yep, investing a new machine should be a nice way too . I think it's worth too :)

Ranger
12-12-07, 06:31 PM
Not sure exactly how old the computer is, but it is pretty old by computer standards. It does have a USB port. No idea how large the hard drive is. Running Windows 2000.

wait4me6920
12-12-07, 06:50 PM
Not sure exactly how old the computer is, but it is pretty old by computer standards. It does have a USB port. No idea how large the hard drive is. Running Windows 2000.

If you're running 2000, you're probably okay as far as USB & bios support are concerned. If you open "My Computer" & click on your "c" drive, you should be able to determine the size of the drive. But the main thing is that with Win 2000 your USB support should be sound should you decide to connect a USB drive. This'll make it possible to do backups in future, but unfortunately won't solve your immediate problem...

dkozloski
12-12-07, 07:04 PM
Everybody needs to have a periodic catastrophic computer crash just to let them realize that all that crap on their machines, in the great scheme of things, doesn't amount to a pinch of poop. Once you realize that it's all gone and the world is still rotating on its axis you can relax and quit sweating the small stuff.

Ranger
12-12-07, 07:20 PM
It says "Holds 4.22 GB" and "Free Space 1.05 GB"

If you're running 2000, you're probably okay as far as USB & bios support are concerned. If you open "My Computer" & click on your "c" drive, you should be able to determine the size of the drive. But the main thing is that with Win 2000 your USB support should be sound should you decide to connect a USB drive. This'll make it possible to do backups in future, but unfortunately won't solve your immediate problem...

JimmyH
12-12-07, 07:40 PM
I am betting you have usb 1.1, which means any external drive is going to be slooooooowwwwwwwww.... not that that is a problem if it is an automated backup.

Honestly ranger; I would just hang it up and get a new machine; Dell Inspiron with 17" monitor $499;

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspndt_53xs?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=bundlestab

Either way you go, my offer still stands. I can wipe your computer for you. If you decide to buy a new one, I can come over and get you all setup with backup and such. lemme know

Ranger
12-12-07, 07:55 PM
Not what I wanted to hear. How fast can a new computer be? I'm stuck with dialup (at least for now). Don't want to buy a new car if I need a tune up. If we wipe the computer, how much work/time is that and is there anything I need to buy and have ready to go?

wait4me6920
12-12-07, 08:04 PM
Ranger, I'm with Jimmy...

With a drive that size, the machine most likely was slapped together before USB 2.0 became available. Sure, you could slap in a USB 2.0 PCI card, but you'd be patching up a machine that's not really worth throwing more money at.

Purchase an inexpensive machine such as the one Jimmy recommends & add a medium sized USB hard drive you can use for future backups. It'll work wonders - the speed difference will even be evident on a dial-up connection.

Added... If you're determined to squeeze this turkey until it bleeds, I would spend $30 - 50 for a USB 2.0 card & buy that USB drive.

Ranger
12-12-07, 08:19 PM
Nah, don't necessarily want to squeeze it till it bleeds if it's time to retire it. All I know about it is that my neighbor used to work for Motorola and they where up grading and sold them to employees for $250. He offered and I couldn't refuse.

Are you telling me that a new machine will speed me up even on dialup? I hate buying things I don't know much about. Reading that link is like reading Chinese to me.

wait4me6920
12-12-07, 08:32 PM
Well, I dunno what the speed of your current machine's processor is & what the speed of your modem is, but a new machine will handle dial-up somewhat quicker - especially if you're not currently running a 56K modem.

Looking at the size of your drive, the machine could be an old Pentium III or maybe a IV. Yeah, a new machine will do most everything faster...

On my last post - got to thinking... A PCI USB 2.0 card can be purchased for less than thirty bucks...but your old motherboard may not support 2.0... Probably not worth gambling... Now if Jimmy sorts out your drive, as he mentioned, you could still go with a USB drive for backup. Even USB 1.1 will handle backup chores...

Ranger
12-12-07, 09:15 PM
56K modem. That much I know for sure. No clue on the Pentium or motherboard.

Kev
12-12-07, 11:19 PM
Hi Ranger. If you have a computer running W2K and have a 4.22 GB hard drive I'm guessing your computer is roughly 10 years old +/-. My opinion is you won;t see a lot of speed improvement from a new(er) machine on 56K dial up. Just my opinion.

So, how do you fix this? You need to find a friend that is computer savvy to the nerd degree who is willing to help you a; find the problem and correct it. b; re-format the hard drive and reinstall the OS and programs (would require all installation disks). c; buy a new computer (you can probably find one that is close to what you paid for this one) and have the guy help you transfer any personal files that you want to keep.

I don't think you are going to be successful with our help here at this point.

Good luck to you my friend. If I were in your area I would gladly help you with all of the above.

RippyPartsDept
12-13-07, 08:24 AM
yeah, what kev said
since you're on dialup i would suggest that you re-install windows
(if you don't have the disks... maybe install linux on it... i recommend PClinuxOS or Ubunutu)
the linux will be stable and safe and run faster than windows would on the same hardware
the dialup speed is really what's holding you back (not that you didn't already know that)
:)

JimmyH
12-13-07, 10:53 AM
So, how do you fix this? You need to find a friend that is computer savvy to the nerd degree who is willing to help you a; find the problem and correct it. b; re-format the hard drive and reinstall the OS and programs (would require all installation disks). c; buy a new computer (you can probably find one that is close to what you paid for this one) and have the guy help you transfer any personal files that you want to keep.

^^that's me :wave:

Ranger, wiping and reinstalling is not alot of work. I have done it SO MANY times, I can do it in my sleep. Plus I ran Win2000 for a time, so I know alot of the tweaks I can apply to your computer to make it run a little bit faster.

Even on dialup, a newer faster computer is going to render web pages faster, so you will see some improvement. Sure, you will be waiting the same amount of time for pages to download, but they will render faster once you have the info.

As far as a PCI usb 2.0 card, I have been down that road. It sucks. That is why I just bought a new computer. I struggled with the pci card for 2 years of it working/not-working seemingly at its own will. The problem is that the only manufacturers who make them, make them very cheaply. So they are all garbage. No manufacturer of high quality components bothers with them.

And finally, external hard drive, usb2.0, 500gb, western digital (not some cheapo) $99!

http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?EDP=37526313&Source=EWB121307EML

And like I said, no problem with me coming over and fixing you up. At this point probably not until after the holidays, but I might be able to squeeze you in.

wait4me6920
12-13-07, 10:57 AM
Interesting, Jimmy... I've put PCI USB 2.0 cards in several of my older Macs & they work great... Must be a Windows/PC thing...

But looking at the age of Ranger's computer, I kinda doubt if the motherboard would support it anyway...

JimmyH
12-13-07, 11:10 AM
I dont think the motherboard has anything to do with it. I believe it has to do with the bus speed of the pci architecture. Which even on older computers is still faster than usb 2.0.

wait4me6920
12-13-07, 11:26 AM
Eh, you're most likely right... I've not tried slapping one into an older PC...

A friend with a ten year old P III mentioned a few months back that he installed a card with NEC chipset, forget the brand, & it works fine... For all I know, it's running at 1.1 speed...

But, with Mac architecture & OS, I get full USB 2.0 speed & perfect reliability via PCI... Whatever... :D

JimmyH
12-13-07, 11:51 AM
It is very likely, even probable, my problems stemmed from the motherboard not liking the communications chipset on the usb card. Maybe on another motherboard it would have worked fine; maybe not. Who knows.

My whole point is that with as cheap as desktop pc's are now (they are almost disposable) you are better off buying a new computer with new components, new software, and newest technology, than trying to frankenstein an older computer.

I have six Dell computers in my office, and with the exception of my one boss (who is downloading God-knows-what all the time) I have had almost no problems with any of them. Dell in particular spends alot of research getting cheap components to work very well together. Which is probably why they hold numerous patents on assembly and none on hardware itself. Sticking with Dell supplied drivers, the systems are VERY stable. If you try using drivers from the manufacturers themselves, that is how you run into problems. Those are the people you hear complaining about Dell.

Just like folks who mod the hell out of their V's are the ones who have exploding diffs :yup:

wait4me6920
12-13-07, 02:56 PM
My whole point is that with as cheap as desktop pc's are now (they are almost disposable) you are better off buying a new computer with new components, new software, and newest technology, than trying to frankenstein an older computer.

And a big amen to that...

I do have a dozen or so legacy Macs that I enjoy tinkering with. It's only the newer of the old that will run OS X & respond favorably to newfangled bits such as USB 2.0... Ranger's machine would seem state-of-art when compared to some of the others...

JimmyH
12-13-07, 03:16 PM
I remember these

http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/misc/mac.jpg


BTW, I got my 2gb chip for the imac today. I cant believe how small it is.

wait4me6920
12-13-07, 03:48 PM
I remember these

http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/misc/mac.jpg


BTW, I got my 2gb chip for the imac today. I cant believe how small it is.

I've got a couple in mint condition...


Yeah, isn't it amazing how tiny things are nowadays?

Ranger
12-13-07, 09:27 PM
Ok, I surrender. After talking to my former neighbor (computer knowledgeable, now in Colo) I downloaded a Windows 2000 update. (DrctX 9.0c end user run time), whatever that is. Did no good as my wife is now having more problems on IE. He also said that copying everything to a disc and reloading would just transfer whatever the problem. Make sense to me. Anyway, this is beyond me. Jimmy, I will PM you my phone no. so we can talk and I can make an informed decision on which way to go with this thing. I/m on FF now. So far so good, but it is probably just a matter of time. Will send PM before this puppy crashes.

RightTurn
12-13-07, 09:47 PM
Ranger--Jimmy is on a trip to Texas for a few days; not sure if he'll be online while he's gone. As far as copying everything to a disk...I imagine Jimmy was referring to saving your data, not everything. The OS will be wiped and reloaded, then the data restored from the backup. Good luck.

Ranger
12-14-07, 12:21 AM
Ah OK, that sounds better. Thanks for the heads up. I'll wait to hear from him.

FF crashed 3 times after I posted earlier. Went to Netscape. Same thing happened. I'm now on SBC Yahoo browser. So far, so good, but I have said that before, haven't I.

Kev
12-14-07, 04:13 PM
With all the browsers having a problem of one sort or another I have to guess that you have a problem with the operating system (W2K) in the form of corruption (not necessarily related to virus or trojan but possibly so) or there is a problem with hardware but the latter would cause trouble with all programs, not just web browsers.

I'm sure Jimmy will be able to help you sort it out.

Thanks Jimmy! Ranger is such an awesome help and resource here on this site, it's great to see someone help him out for a change!!!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

RippyPartsDept
12-14-07, 04:44 PM
FYI Ranger,

the rendering engines behind browsers come in basically two flavors
1. the mozilla "gecko" engine
2. the microsoft IE engine

i do know that the netscape browser uses both (you can switch between the two, but i think it defaults to the mozilla engine)

i'm not sure what the yahoo browser uses

PS: the opera engine is also out there as a #3 (not sure if they license it to anyone else)

Ranger
12-14-07, 08:44 PM
Thanks guys. I'll have to wait to hear from Jimmy. One strange thing is that it only crashes on this site. It also happens ocassionally at work on FF so I am convinced that it has something to do with all the advertisments on this site. As for IE having a problem for my wife, I think Kev is right about the corruption. In the mean time the AT&T Yahoo browser seems to work OK except it is slow and no spell check built in (boy do I miss that).

JimmyH
12-15-07, 08:41 PM
I am currently with the master of the universe, the great urbanski.

Ranger, I will be back next week, Dont worry, I will get you hooked up, we will get your computer back to operating at maximum capacity.

Ranger
12-15-07, 10:37 PM
Thanks Jimmy. Anxiously awaiting your return. Say high to the Master for me.

BTW, It's been snowing all day. Don't know what you've been missing.

JimmyH
12-17-07, 01:11 PM
I got lucky, my mom and brother went to my house yesterday and removed 5" of snow from my driveway. Nice.

I will get to ya ranger as soon as can though. I got ur number and Ill give you a call as soon as I get some time.

RippyPartsDept
12-17-07, 04:48 PM
Ranger, another thought now that you mention that you're pretty sure it's related to ads on this site.

grab the adblock plus extension (it keeps the ads from loading on the page)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865

if the site doesn't crash with this installed then it is ad-related

as a side note, you may notice a speed increase in your dialup since web pages won't be loading so much up when you visit

it is kind of immoral, but given that you're on dialup this is probably warranted, plus we're trying to troubleshoot it
i usually have it on, and whitelist the sites that i visit regularly so that they will get ad revenue from my visits

(the new version also blocks flash - i think - you can turn that off in the settings if you need to)

Ranger
12-17-07, 06:13 PM
Thanks Rippy. I'll try that tomorrow. Might save Jimmy a trip.
I have noticed that these pages load much slower than Caddyinfo, which does not have any ads.

Is that link to install ABP? I do have it installed already. Maybe I don't know how to use it.

RippyPartsDept
12-18-07, 09:02 AM
Yeah, that was the link to the abp install from mozilla (there's also the abp homepage)

if you already have it installed and you're seeing ads then something is mis-configured or all out messed up
you could either try to change the settings or uninstall-reinstall the extension from the 'addons' control
i would recommend that you change the settings instead of the uninstall rigmarole
to look at the prefs for abp you can use the keyboard shortcut ctrl+shift+a
the top section of the rules for abp the green text ones are "exception rules" those ones are the ones that you have enabled the ads for
if you see cadillacforums.com in there you could just remove it and then come back to see if blocking the ads helps

Ranger
12-18-07, 05:12 PM
Well I right click on an add and then block it. It goes away, but no help. FF still crashes. Either FF doesn't like this site or vice versa.

JimmyH
12-20-07, 06:23 PM
Gotta say, I have been using Safari for a little while now, I really like it. It does seem faster than Mozilla or IE. Been using it on Mac and Windows, very pleased.

Hey Ranger, how is next week looking?

Kev
12-20-07, 08:45 PM
Safari....

Safari is not Internet Explorer or Firefox .......

Safari is different ..........

i.e. Safari is bad. I do not like Safari ......

Ranger
12-20-07, 08:51 PM
I am back to work for 5 days starting Monday. I have a comp day that I have to use by the end of the year and was thinking of Friday (28th). I am free in the mornings, but hate to start something that we might not be able to finish.

The more I think about this, the more I begin to think that this is not going to do any good. Like I said, FF crashes on this site at work too, though not nearly as often. Leads me to think it is not my computer. I'll explain better when I talk to you.

Ranger
12-20-07, 09:41 PM
Now I am getting IE error boxes pop up on the AT&T Yahoo browser, but at least it does not crash the system. This is getting very annoying. Why only this site? Is no one else having this problem?

dkozloski
12-20-07, 10:18 PM
My plain Jane XP installs on two different computers with a simple Norton AV and Windows Defender work perfectly with no crashes, no reboots, no heartburn. Stay away from fancy toolbars, extras, gimcracks, cutsie add-ons, and all that crap. You start loading up your desktop with crap and the trouble starts. Keep it simple and keep it neat. If your Windows installation is crashing on you it's your own damn fault; it's probably that weather reporting bot or some other bit bomb tossed in by a friend. Nuke the hard drive and do a clean install.

Ranger
12-20-07, 10:56 PM
I think that is what Jimmy is going to do.

The errors I am getting today on the AT&T Yahoo browser all have something to do with http://shopcloud.chakita.net
I've had it for tonight. :mad:

dkozloski
12-21-07, 12:03 AM
There are a million free programs out there written by amateurs or people trying to divert you to whatever makes them money. Yahoo toolbars, Google toolbars. Joe Scooterberry toolbars, adware, gimmicks and junk all load the sytem down and are just like a big anchor to the whole operation. Think long and hard before clicking the install on anything that didn't come on the install CDs or the Microsoft website. I don't know how mant times I've been asked to look at a misbehaving computer for a friend and the first thing I see is a weathergator or some similar crap that puts the temperature in the systray. This stuff is all created with an ulterior motive to hijack your computer with adware or some other junk.

JimmyH
12-21-07, 12:57 AM
gotta agree with Koz on this one, those goofy little programs can cause all kinds of problems.
ill pm ya

CTS_FAN
12-21-07, 01:12 AM
I didn't read all of this thread but I am using Windows XP with the newest version of FF and I love it!!!!

JimmyH
12-21-07, 02:30 AM
FF is good, Ranger is just having some problems

Ranger
12-21-07, 12:04 PM
Well, I DO have adaware, spybot, zonealarm & AVG loaded, but have had them for a very long time before this problem started. I could do without adaware & spybot, but zonealarm & AVG seem like good protection.

Zorb750
12-22-07, 01:08 AM
Macs are becoming a victim of their inceased popularity. Mac viruses are becoming more prevalent everyday. It's not even close to PC's.... Yet!

There is not ONE mac virus that can spread from computer to computer, or that can install itself. Sure, you can convince someone to download something that is not what it appears to be and install it, but that doesn't count. That's user stupidity.

Zorb750
12-22-07, 01:15 AM
FYI Ranger,

the rendering engines behind browsers come in basically two flavors
1. the mozilla "gecko" engine
2. the microsoft IE engine

i do know that the netscape browser uses both (you can switch between the two, but i think it defaults to the mozilla engine)

i'm not sure what the yahoo browser uses

PS: the opera engine is also out there as a #3 (not sure if they license it to anyone else)

Are we forgetting KHTML and Presto (and its derivatives - Merlin, and now Kestrel)?

Incidentally, the Windows version of IE's engine is called Trident, since IE 4.

The YaHell browser is just a front end for Internet Explorer and will use the rendering engine of whatever version is installed. There are LOTS of IE front ends, Maxthon is a very well known one.

JimmyH
12-22-07, 10:40 AM
There is not ONE mac virus that can spread from computer to computer, or that can install itself.

yet.

Ranger
12-22-07, 06:07 PM
Well as promised Jimmy was kind enough to come over this morning and see what he could do. Unfortunately, he decided that it was too old and no Windows disc to reload so he was unable to wipe it and start over. He did, create a new user file (I think that is right) and so far, the only error I have been getting is the one you (Jimmy) saw. Something about a script error. The good thing is that it only pops up a box and allows me to stop the script. Nothing crashes. As a side note, the ABP is not loaded on this one. I only loaded that to stop the "Kontera" underline thing because I was unable to disable it. That finally showed up and this time it allowed me to disable it and so far it has not come back, nor have the script errors and I have not had any problems. Now having said all this, Jimmy did not think that setting up a new user would solve the problem. I hope I am not jinxing myself or speaking too soon, but me thinks Jimmy under estimates himself. :worship:

If all else fails, we had a good conversation, I met a great guy and made a new friend :thumbsup: (and I may have even learned a few things).

JimmyH
12-22-07, 07:57 PM
The honor was mine alone. I got to help the almighty Ranger!!!!

JimmyH
12-22-07, 07:59 PM
BTW, Ranger has a VERY VERY complex and advanced intercom system at his house.

When he is downstairs on the computer and has to let his wife know she has a call, he grabs an 18" file and bangs on the ceiling. Classic. :lol:

Ranger
12-24-07, 12:38 AM
Two days and no problems so far. :banana:
Jimmy, Check your email.

JimmyH
12-24-07, 12:43 AM
woohoo me

no email from you

Ranger
12-24-07, 10:34 AM
I used the one you wrote down. Maybe I misread it. I'll PM you.

Ranger
01-03-08, 04:16 PM
It's baaaaak.
Well that was short lived. Though I was out of the woods. T'was nice while it lasted.

JimmyH
01-03-08, 05:08 PM
well that sux

i kinda figured we were just putting a band-aid on the problem
gives you an excuse to get a new computer.
although, I might be able to redo your computer. I think I do have a copy of win2000 somewhere. email me that list I wrote down of your hardware, I will see if I can find the drivers online, and then I will download all the windows updates and we can schedule a time for me to come over and do it. Or better would be for you to bring the puter over to my place where we can download and update everything with a high speed connection.
Let me know

Ranger
01-03-08, 06:19 PM
I spoke to AT&T today and they did confirm that DSL is in the works :woohoo:, but could not give me a date. They said it could be a week or a couple of months, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, so I guess it is time to start looking for a new computer. I know we discussed it, but I'll give you a call for some advice on where to go and what to get when I am closer to buying. In the meantime, I'll probably just use Netscape or IE when on this site. Thanks again for all your help. You da man!

JimmyH
01-03-08, 09:56 PM
I looked, and I do have a copy of win2000. So if you want, you should bring the computer over to my place. I can reinstall windows, and that will hold you over until you get a new computer. Even with dialup it should be faster.

If you want to do this, type out that list I wrote up with your devices and email it to me. I can get everything together in preparation.

Ranger
01-03-08, 10:32 PM
Ah shit, not sure I still have that list. I'll have to look.

CTS_FAN
01-05-08, 03:06 AM
I am running Windows XP home edition and using FF 2.0.0.11 with absolutely NO problems. My PC is at least 5 years old...I do not have XP Service Pack 2 installed because of crashing my system every time I try...whole nother story...do you have XP with Service Pack 2 installed...could the service pack be part of the problem???

Kev
01-05-08, 12:06 PM
Service pack 2 is not an issue. In fact, anyone with WinXP should be running SP2 with it. CTS_FAN if you are happy with the way your computer is running then leave it that way.

JimmyH
01-06-08, 12:52 PM
I am running Windows XP home edition and using FF 2.0.0.11 with absolutely NO problems. My PC is at least 5 years old...I do not have XP Service Pack 2 installed because of crashing my system every time I try...whole nother story...do you have XP with Service Pack 2 installed...could the service pack be part of the problem???

read the thread, he has windows 2000
and it is SP1

Kev
01-06-08, 03:30 PM
read the thread, he has windows 2000
and it is SP1HOLY CRAP!! Wasn't W2K up to SP5 or something?!! It was a great operation system for small servers.

JimmyH
01-07-08, 12:45 PM
probably win2000 server.

2000pro only went up to SP4.
I am going to install it the next I go out there. It was too big to download on his dialup.

Ranger
01-07-08, 03:49 PM
Jimmy, when I get DSL you'll be the first to know. Hoepfully within a month or two.