Sure this has been polled many times, but we are within a couple months of official number so figured we should see who can guess the closest.

My exact guess is 595hp. It's more wishful thinking than guessing though I suppose!

555 with a lead ass

555 with a lead ass

Wow it's scary. I was thinking exactly the same thing.

555, 4050 lbs, 62k (with the auto & moonroof), 59 base.

-Chris

RT, voted who cares.

Just for that I'm not talking to her, until the next time we speak.

=-Chris

525 HP
500 TQ

Nuff said!

580 HP, underrrated by factory really around 600 to respect the 650 hp Vette, anything else is not going to beat the M5 or E55 they are supposedly targeting to beat. Not to worry about 580 HP Audi RS6, that car will probably weigh in north of 4500!

The reason why I stated my guess to be 525-530 HP/500-505 TQ is because I believe GM will use a factory supercharged LS3 (without forced induction is rated at 430 HP). Add a nice supercharger and a fairly conservative stock tune and you get another 100 horses out of the motor, which could easily be increased with a pulley swap or more aggressive tune.

If I were to hazard a guess (totally to be taken with a grain of salt as I have absolutely no inside info to back this up) for the sake of interesting discussion/speculation I would say that the price point will probably be around $60,000 fully loaded. I believe GM will try to stay somewhat close to what the previous generation's price point was (about $6,000-$7,000 increase from previous). This would also be supported by the fact that superchargers for our current cars are about $6,000 and they add between 100-130 horses. That is exactly how much HP they would be adding to the stock LS3.

On the other hand, GM could be figuring that since the CTS-V is a relatively low-selling, limited-production run, car they may just add gobs of HP and also up the price at an equivalent rate. Maybe 550-600 HP @ $65,000. I hope this is not the case, because that makes the car just a little more out of reach for us young guys who are still trying to make the big bucks. I believe that the possibility to achieve much more HP will be there even if the engine stock, has a MERE 500 horsepower, haha.

But, back to the original statement. I think GM is trying to selling a lot more of these cars than the previous generation, hence most likely making an automatic available as stock, and a 6 MT as an option. Therefore, my original engine/price guess still stands. Damn, I hope I am right after all this...:stirpot:

I agree with you on the price point lets hope it's not to far up the scale. But as far as a supercharger adding only 100 hp, thats an aftermarket SC added to an NA engine that has a very high compression ratio. The LSA on the 09 CTS-V is an engine designed for a supercharger. Even the blown Northstar goes from a stock 320 HP to 469 in the STS-V. Thats why I believe they should be able to get at least 550-580 from the upcoming LSA, without costing so much.

did someone say 604 hp

The upcoming Corvette ZR-1 Blue Devil is slated to receive the supercharged LS3 engine otherwise known as the LSA. That engine is forecasted at producing 650 BHP.

As most know; the CTSV benchmark is the BMW M5 which is currently rated at 505 BHP. Bob Lutz was reported in a Motor Trend article after driving the new 09 CTSV that it would take a huge power step forward for the Bavarian offerings from BMW to be on par with the new 09 CTSV.

With that said; I don't see Cadillac simply raising the bar in BHP at just 10% over the current 505 BHP M5 that can be simply upgraded with some aftermarket tuning.

With the Blue Devil debuting with 650 BHP; I would forsee the new 09 CTSV debuting with the LSA engine displacing 600 BHP at the crank. A pulley swap and tune and we have Blue Devil BHP numbers.

575 and begging for a pulley swap!

Corvette engine is called LS9. Cadillac engine will be LSA

Man I hope its 60k, then I'm back in. ;)

Power 535hp 500tq 4000lbs beefy rear, huge 6pot brakes ,19in wheels michelin sport tires, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here. One thing is for sure, this car will kick a@@.:thumbsup:

Hearsay at the just-completed V Performance Academy is "The horsepower number begins with a 5." As does the torque number, and the 0-60 time begins with a 3.

550hp
550tq

$59.9 base
$67k fully loaded MSRP

Hearsay at the just-completed V Performance Academy is "The horsepower number begins with a 5." As does the torque number, and the 0-60 time begins with a 3.

More like .3, like 5.3 second to 60mph. :) Only way they can manage sub 5's would be with and auto shifter.

Norm

500 HP with at least that many in torque would be nice. Give me a 6 speed auto also with paddle shifters.

More like .3, like 5.3 second to 60mph. :) Only way they can manage sub 5's would be with and auto shifter.

Norm

I figure it will be atleast 4.3 going on your .3 figure. I think if it has north of 550hp and the correct redline this V will make 60 in the first gear. The weight should be hugely greater than the current V and near 600hp would be near 50% increase in power. That should be a plenty to make it to 60 in first with at less than 4 seconds if you ignore difficulty in getting it to hook up. If they have the traction managed by some variety of launch control and the suspention optimized correctly I think sub 4s is possible, but quite a huge feat. The BMW M5 and MB E AMG can get down very very close to 4 flat so I think Caddy can make a sub 4 second if they really tried hard to hit it. Problem in believing they did is that I am quite sure they had bigger fish to fry in matching those cars Ring times so I am not sure they put huge time into optimizing 0-60?? 0-60 would be an easier number to brag about though probably.

Hearsay at the just-completed V Performance Academy is "The horsepower number begins with a 5." As does the torque number, and the 0-60 time begins with a 3.

Right, just like the current V does it under 5.

:helpless:

-Chris

550hp
550tq

$59.9 base
$67k fully loaded MSRP

I have to respectfully disagree with your pricing numbers and here's why. While I don't think they are too far-fetched, I do believe that Cadillac will stay with the same idea as far as options and amenities that they did with the current generation of V series offerings. The idea of the V series means that you get the best of the best as far as performance and luxury options. I don't think Cadillac is going to offer a stripped-down version of any V series vehicle. I would say, IMO, the only significant price difference will be from manual to automatic.

In other words, I believe the only two options will be the transmission and maybe the moonroof. :stirpot:

I have to respectfully disagree with your pricing numbers and here's why. While I don't think they are too far-fetched, I do believe that Cadillac will stay with the same idea as far as options and amenities that they did with the current generation of V series offerings. The idea of the V series means that you get the best of the best as far as performance and luxury options. I don't think Cadillac is going to offer a stripped-down version of any V series vehicle. I would say, IMO, the only significant price difference will be from manual to automatic.

In other words, I believe the only two options will be the transmission and maybe the moonroof. :stirpot:

But AWD may be an option (probably '10) and there is nothing in the current V package that comes close to that in cost...

But AWD may be an option (probably '10) and there is nothing in the current V package that comes close to that in cost...

Right you are...I hadn't thought of that!

Although...some people (myself included) really do not want to see an already heavy car be made even heavier with the inclusion of an AWD package. If the naysayers don't believe that a heavy American sedan can handle superbly without AWD, then I would love to invite them to take a lap around a road course with me in my modified V. Even in stock form, my car handled itself very well and I can only believe that the new model will perform even better in stock form (wider tires, slightly lower ride height, stiffer stock springs).

The upcoming Corvette ZR-1 Blue Devil is slated to receive the supercharged LS3 engine otherwise known as the LSA. That engine is forecasted at producing 650 BHP.

As most know; the CTSV benchmark is the BMW M5 which is currently rated at 505 BHP. Bob Lutz was reported in a Motor Trend article after driving the new 09 CTSV that it would take a huge power step forward for the Bavarian offerings from BMW to be on par with the new 09 CTSV.

With that said; I don't see Cadillac simply raising the bar in BHP at just 10% over the current 505 BHP M5 that can be simply upgraded with some aftermarket tuning.

With the Blue Devil debuting with 650 BHP; I would forsee the new 09 CTSV debuting with the LSA engine displacing 600 BHP at the crank. A pulley swap and tune and we have Blue Devil BHP numbers.


I thought the ZR-1 was slated to receive an LS9 which is not the same as the LSA or even the supercharged LSA. The LS9 will be handbuilt just like the LS7, so I thought.

And no way the CTS-V will be at the 600 number at the crank, no way. I'm saying 525-550 with a price of 59k (I have been saying this for nearly a year now).

at first i was hearing 600hp on the dot from our gm rep, but now i think the figure is right at 580hp

I thought the ZR-1 was slated to receive an LS9 which is not the same as the LSA or even the supercharged LSA. The LS9 will be handbuilt just like the LS7, so I thought.

And no way the CTS-V will be at the 600 number at the crank, no way. I'm saying 525-550 with a price of 59k (I have been saying this for nearly a year now).

We will soon find out but I think you are wrong about that, 600 hp is not that far fetched, and any less may not make the V everything Cadillac needs at this point to keep the V Series alive. Right now even Cadillac admits the V Series is a failure, STS-V and XLR-V sales are a joke. The new CTS-V needs to be truly daring, and 600 hp is what will make it stand out. Lets face it Caddy doesn't have 7 speed SMG or 7 and 8 speed automatics and M-Differentials that improve acceleration, they have to do it the old school way, big cubes and big power, frankly I think a 525 hp CTS-V with a 4K plus weight will not beat the curent M5, and will be spanked by the C63 Merc, and maybe others. That is not what Caddy has in mind. The future of the V Series is 600+ HP and the LSA engine for all it's models.

500 HP with at least that many in torque would be nice. Give me a 6 speed auto also with paddle shifters.
More hearsay from the V Performance Academy: a paddle-shifted 6-speed (double-clutch?) automatic gearbox and driver-adjustable (magnetic ride control?) suspension.:thumbsup:

We will soon find out but I think you are wrong about that, 600 hp is not that far fetched, and any less may not make the V everything Cadillac needs at this point to keep the V Series alive. Right now even Cadillac admits the V Series is a failure, STS-V and XLR-V sales are a joke. The new CTS-V needs to be truly daring, and 600 hp is what will make it stand out. Lets face it Caddy doesn't have 7 speed SMG or 7 and 8 speed automatics and M-Differentials that improve acceleration, they have to do it the old school way, big cubes and big power, frankly I think a 525 hp CTS-V with a 4K plus weight will not beat the curent M5, and will be spanked by the C63 Merc, and maybe others. That is not what Caddy has in mind. The future of the V Series is 600+ HP and the LSA engine for all it's models.


Speak all you want about how Caddy has to compete to BMW and AMG, I'm telling you no way the power in a CTS-V approaches the power of the ZR-1, no way.

The correct answer is 505hp.

Hear me now and believe me later...


Hans & Franz

I would like to see 600 BHP at the crank. If the M5 is producing 505 BHP at the crank N/A and Lutz's quote is correct that...."this new production CTSV will suck the doors off of any of the Bavarian offerings"......600 BHP is not an unreasonable step above the BHP numbers of the M5.

I am just hoping to see a 6 speed auto box with the F1 paddle shifters to get all of that rear wheel torque to the ground.

The upcoming Corvette ZR-1 Blue Devil is slated to receive the supercharged LS3 engine otherwise known as the LSA.
No, you've got it wrong, it's...
I thought the ZR-1 was slated to receive an LS9 which is not the same as the LSA or even the supercharged LSA. The LS9 will be handbuilt just like the LS7, so I thought.
... thanks.

Right, just like the current V does it under 5.

:helpless:

-Chris
Isn't everybody here getting 4.8?

More hearsay from the V Performance Academy: a paddle-shifted 6-speed (double-clutch?) automatic gearbox and driver-adjustable (magnetic ride control?) suspension.:thumbsup:
Woof!

The correct answer is 505hp.

Hear me now and believe me later...

Yeah, I'll have to... I don't believe ya now, Chef...

I would like to see 600 BHP at the crank. If the M5 is producing 505 BHP at the crank N/A and Lutz's quote is correct that...."this new production CTSV will suck the doors off of any of the Bavarian offerings"......600 BHP is not an unreasonable step above the BHP numbers of the M5.




Well, we'll see. Lutz can talk all he wants but you have to apply reasoning to it his "suck the doors off" comment. The reasoning is that GM will NOT produce a car that has 600 hp for 59k when they are selling their uber flagship Vette with 650 hp and about 100k pricetag. It just ain't gonna happen.

The V will be in the ballpark of 550 hp and it will beat the M5 from 0-60 with all the torque it will have. That's the answer to the "suck the doors off" comment.

The Lutz comment is marketing... And, I don't see them making a 600 HP V as stated already (eg. Blue Devil.) I see around 525 so that they can say it has more power than the M5.

Really though, the market segments of the V and the Corvette SS are completely different...

The last communication we got indicated 535HP. But that was a while ago, they might have increased the final number....

Dr. Design

"According to our information, however, none of those rumors are true as the CTS-V won't be supercharged at all. Instead it will borrow the normally aspirated 7.0-liter LS7 from the current Corvette Z06.

With 505 hp and 470 pound-feet of torque, the LS7 should have more than enough grunt to get the roughly 3,800-pound CTS-V up to speed. Consider that Mercedes-Benz uses an engine with nearly identical specs in its 4,000-pound E63 AMG (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=120601), which is the quickest sedan we've ever tested.

Don't expect 700 horses from the Corvette Z07 either. It's more likely to show up with around 625 hp — enough to top the latest Viper without tearing the tires off the rims.

Expect to see the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V in dealers next year with a price tag significantly below its European counterparts.

What this means to you: Regardless of which rumor is true, the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V is guaranteed to have enough power to play with the big boys in the luxury super-sedan class."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121130

:burn:

"According to our information, however, none of those rumors are true as the CTS-V won't be supercharged at all. Instead it will borrow the normally aspirated 7.0-liter LS7 from the current Corvette Z06.
:burn:

The motor you'll find under the hood of the 2009 CTS-V will be GM's LSA motor. The LSA is a 6.2L, smallblock V8 with a supercharger. The LSA has an intercooler integrated into the intake manifold. Prelim specs have it at 500 horsepower and with a choice of manual or automatic transmissions. The final horsepower number could now be as high as 525 or 550. At least one very credible source says paddle shift will also be an option.
The other popular rumor involves an all-wheel-drive setup. While the regular CTS has optional AWD, the CTS-V will be strictly rear-wheel-drive, source say.
Spy photos show that the CTS-V will feature Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires. While it wasn't clear what size the front tires are, the rear tires will be 285 series on 19 inch wheels. The '09 will continue to utilize a massive set of Brembo brakes up front and in back.
Recent comments from GM at the SEMA show indicate that Recaro seats may show up inside the CTS-V.
GM's Bob Lutz was recently quoted saying the 2009 CTS-V "will be at a power level only described as unexpectedly high." Then referencing the current BMW M5, Lutz said the CTS-V “will suck the doors off” the competition if the next M5 isn't significantly better.
After driving a prototype, Lutz said "flat-out incredible. I’ve never driven anything like that.”
In the past, the current CTS-V has suffered from "wheel hop" problems. The 2009 CTS-V will feature a completely re-done rear end with a much better rear axle. Sources say this has eliminated the wheel hop issue altogether.
Production on the new CTS V-Series will start in September of 2008, and will be limited to about 7000 units annually. Internally, GM is referring to the car as "GMX322 V S/C."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-cts-v-future.html

My money is on the LSA SuperCharged. I think any thought of a non SC LSA is long gone now.

I was told by someone from GM the HP in the 09 "V" will not be 600, however it will be north of 500. Thats the best I could get from him. I should have pumped him more but I had alot of other things to discuss. He accually took notes.

i heard 550 from the dealer who took my deposit today.

Can anyone confirm the rumor the 09 will be unvailed at the Detrot auto show. I'm getting pretty excited, you see I sold my 04 beauty in the spring so I could get the 09. I'm a little nurvous about the asking price of the gen II. I was unable to get any pricing from the GM guy. He said GM is being very tight liped about that. I told him I was cocerned that they may price it more than I would spend.

That would be a nice number. I am hopping for 580 or so though realisticlly 535 is more like it. One thing I was told is that GM wants to leave some HP for the other "V" series cars.

That would be a nice number. I am hopping for 580 or so though realisticlly 535 is more like it. One thing I was told is that GM wants to leave some HP for the other "V" series cars.

This sounds a bit confused. Mostly I say that because the new CTS-V will definately have more power than the STS-V currently does and the STS and STS-V will die along with the DTS and be replaced by a single car that is like a DTS sized STS. Meaning it will be a LARGE RWD/AWD car and there is currently no immediate plans for that car to have a V-Series iteration. So really the only car that will for sure probably exist in V-Series form in the future above the CTS-V is probably the XLR-V and there is no reason to even compare the power of that car to a sedan. So there really isn't any need to leave HP for other cars??

535 is possible, but the LS8 should also have that as I have seen documents on digitalcorvettes that suggest the LS8 replaces LS7. If it does, that means it will need 525-535 as it will be heavier than LS7. If that is true, I have no clue why LS8 wouldn't be used in the CTS-V if they are only shooting for 525-535?? This has lead me to the opinion that the LSA has more in common with LS9 than the LS8 has in common with LS9. That would mean that it is somewhere in the middle of the 525 of the LS8 and 650 of the LS9. I would think it could have 550-600hp or so and still not need hand assembly as the LS9 does. Probably just has titanium connecting rods and other fancy things that probably are not on the LS8, but can be done without going to hand assembly like the LS9. We'll find out soon enough what the power is, but I am sticking with my 550-600hp range.

i heard 550 from the dealer who took my deposit today.


I'm heading down there this weekend to talk to my dealer about the CTSV. When do you expect your car to arrive? I have exactly 6 months from today till my lease ends.

This car is going to kick some seriousass.

"According to our information, however, none of those rumors are true as the CTS-V won't be supercharged at all. Instead it will borrow the normally aspirated 7.0-liter LS7 from the current Corvette Z06.

With 505 hp and 470 pound-feet of torque, the LS7 should have more than enough grunt to get the roughly 3,800-pound CTS-V up to speed. Consider that Mercedes-Benz uses an engine with nearly identical specs in its 4,000-pound E63 AMG (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=120601), which is the quickest sedan we've ever tested.

Don't expect 700 horses from the Corvette Z07 either. It's more likely to show up with around 625 hp — enough to top the latest Viper without tearing the tires off the rims.

Expect to see the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V in dealers next year with a price tag significantly below its European counterparts.

What this means to you: Regardless of which rumor is true, the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V is guaranteed to have enough power to play with the big boys in the luxury super-sedan class."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121130

:burn:


Dead wrong.


Motor is an LSA, 6.2L supercharged. Period. End of story.

did someone say 604 hp

620 for the ZR-1 and 595 trq. Looks like low 500s for the new V and 475 trq.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/OPINION03/712200339/1148/AUTO01

More engine details:

http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=2&docid=42156

Norm

Hello,
It has been confirmed that the CTS-V Sedan will debut at the 2008 NAIAS in Jan. The only thing that was in question was weather or not you would see another vehicle by its side... :hmm:

Since the STS-V will remain on the market through 09, dont expect to see the CTS-V price climb as high as the current model STS-V. That vehicle will act as a buffer from being too expensive.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3


Can anyone confirm the rumor the 09 will be unvailed at the Detrot auto show. I'm getting pretty excited, you see I sold my 04 beauty in the spring so I could get the 09. I'm a little nurvous about the asking price of the gen II. I was unable to get any pricing from the GM guy. He said GM is being very tight liped about that. I told him I was cocerned that they may price it more than I would spend.

Hello,
It has been confirmed that the CTS-V Sedan will debut at the 2008 NAIAS in Jan. The only thing that was in question was weather or not you would see another vehicle by its side... :hmm:

Since the STS-V will remain on the market through 09, dont expect to see the CTS-V price climb as high as the current model STS-V. That vehicle will act as a buffer from being too expensive.

Thanks,

Dr. Design
D3

Another vehicle by its side??.Coupe maybe...or maybe concept from cadillac?

A BLS V would be cool!

Another vehicle by its side??.Coupe maybe...or maybe concept from cadillac?
:bouncy:

A BLS V would be cool!

:yeah:

550hp
550tq

$59.9 base
$67k fully loaded MSRP

Might as well pick up a PEP STS-V for $50K. You'll be down a few hp but have similar, size, weights, and handling characteristics compared to the new V. Slushbox to go!

The new V will be a little quicker than the current V's but only marginal and with autotrans.

Norm

Quote: "The new V will be a little quicker than the current V's but only marginal and with autotrans." Any info to suggest that the autotrans will offer paddles??? Believe they need them to stay on top of the competition.....

Quote: "The new V will be a little quicker than the current V's but only marginal and with autotrans." Any info to suggest that the autotrans will offer paddles??? Believe they need them to stay on top of the competition.....

The current Corvette has had them for a few years. Hand-me-downs enroute! :)


Norm

:stirpot:
Cough (coupe) cough...
The New York Auto Show might be a pretty neat show to check out!! :shhh:

Another vehicle by its side??.Coupe maybe...or maybe concept from cadillac?

are you saying it wont be in chicago?

I dont know what Cadillac has planned for Chicago. But the last I heard the Coupe could be seen as early as New York.....

are you saying it wont be in chicago?

At $65k, look at what it will cost to get anything that will compete with it.

As the Euro to dollar gets worse, those cars are gonna be even more.