: GTO or CTSV?



IceDigger
11-28-07, 04:56 PM
A friends friend just picked up a 05 GTO with exhaust and is claiming it could kill my 05 CTS-V with exhuast, Lingenfelter CAI, and short shifter.

I'm thinking I shouldn't have any trouble with him but asking here before I embarrass myself.

adamh21
11-28-07, 05:05 PM
Considering you have the same engine, more after market mods, and a SERIOUSLY better looking car, I don't think you should have any problem...assuming of course you know how to drive haha.

darkman
11-28-07, 05:06 PM
A friends friend just picked up a 05 GTO with exhaust and is claiming it could kill my 05 CTS-V with exhuast, Lingenfelter CAI, and short shifter.

I'm thinking I shouldn't have any trouble with him but asking here before I embarrass myself.

In theory (based on magazine road tests) you should win, but the margin is close. Thus, it will (would) likely come down to the drivers and the condition of the two cars (tune, compression, etc.)

Jon
11-28-07, 05:08 PM
They are .1 of a second apart in the 1/4 mile. M/T ran 13.1 in the V and 13.2 in the GTO.

IceDigger
11-28-07, 05:20 PM
I have an LS6 and he has an LS2. But yea, pretty much the same hp/tq I think.


Considering you have the same engine, more after market mods, and a SERIOUSLY better looking car, I don't think you should have any problem...assuming of course you know how to drive haha.

Black Majick
11-28-07, 05:34 PM
A friend of mine and I ran 4 consecutive passes side by side on the drag strip, he was in his bone stock '05 goat, and I only have a CAI and cutouts, the closest he ever came to me was 7 tenths and 4 MPH slower. Actually, now that I think about it, I had 7 runs that night, and he had 9. So we got some pretty solid numbers for the day. We were within 20 pounds of one another too when we rolled across the scales that night, I chalk it up to the fact that the GTO's have a 3.4X final drive ratio versus our 3.73. Bottom line is you should be able to take him provided you can get out of the hole without any problem.

rand49er
11-28-07, 05:55 PM
... I chalk it up to the fact that the GTO's have a 3.4X final drive ratio versus our 3.73. ...Gotta be the difference then.

Would be nice to trade cars and see if driver-to-driver variability could be eliminated as an influence, too. Heck, maybe you're just a dang good driver! :cool:


EDIT: BTW, where's Castle Rock? I'm gonna be in Winter Park over Christmas ... sans the V, however.

benelliwang
11-28-07, 05:57 PM
Theoretically you should win. The goat has a 4.32 rear and the pimp mobile has a 3.73 rear and the weight is 50 to 100lb difference. However, it really depends on the driver skills, the one with least bog or spin off the line will win. Ultimately, the one without the broken rear diff is the winner.

nikon
11-28-07, 06:01 PM
I have an LS6 and he has an LS2. But yea, pretty much the same hp/tq I think.

I thought 05's had LS1's :hmm: they only started putting LS2's in the gto in 06'...same year they put LS2's in everything else.....I could be wrong though.

Cadillacboy
11-28-07, 06:06 PM
CTSV should beat that

Black Majick
11-28-07, 06:13 PM
Gotta be the difference then.

Would be nice to trade cars and see if driver-to-driver variability could be eliminated as an influence, too. Heck, maybe you're just a dang good driver! :cool:


EDIT: BTW, where's Castle Rock? I'm gonna be in Winter Park over Christmas ... sans the V, however.

Castle Rock is about 30 miles south of Denver proper, around 2 hours from Winter Park, or approximately 12 hours from Vegas, which is where I'll be over christmas!:rolleyes:

P.S. Nikon, '05 GTO's did get the 6.0 along with the C6.

SkullV
11-28-07, 07:24 PM
I beat an ls1 gto with a SLP exhaust no problem from a roll...

NormV
11-28-07, 08:23 PM
Used to have an 05 GTO that 13.2 @ 108 stock. Should be a driver's race. Get rid of the torque management and you'll rule him in 3rd gear with your mods.

Norm


A friends friend just picked up a 05 GTO with exhaust and is claiming it could kill my 05 CTS-V with exhuast, Lingenfelter CAI, and short shifter.

I'm thinking I shouldn't have any trouble with him but asking here before I embarrass myself.

gothicaleigh
11-29-07, 09:13 AM
The GTO is what a 2 door Catera-V would have been (they share the same platform).

The LS6 V beat the LS2 GTO in head to head magazine testing (I believe it was Motor Trend who had the comparison between the V, GTO, and SRT-8). Quarter mile strip will be close for sure, but meet him at a real track and you should walk him in the corners.


Also remember that at the end of the day, you drive away in a Cadillac while he has a P.O.N.T.I.A.C.

adamh21
11-29-07, 10:56 AM
I have an LS6 and he has an LS2. But yea, pretty much the same hp/tq I think.

Yeah yeah, my bad, the 07s have the 6.0...i hear the 09 is supposed to get upgraded to the LS7...could just be a rumor tho

zbuickman
12-01-07, 10:11 AM
I thought 05's had LS1's :hmm: they only started putting LS2's in the gto in 06'...same year they put LS2's in everything else.....I could be wrong though.
04' was the only year for the LS1 05' had the LS2:)

SLPR 6.0L
12-01-07, 11:28 AM
I readily beat a lightly modded and stickered 04 GTO at gateway. The 05 and new GTOs run much better than the 04s. It would be a drivers race with an 05+.
We have 3.73s to their 3.42s. But we are handicapped by out rear diff and IRS. GTOs have a solid rear axle i believe, which would make them easier to launch

b4z
12-27-07, 06:34 PM
'05 GTOs got the LS2 and better brakes.
Don't know if the V is the seriously better looking car. More modern definitely, but the GTO has it's own look.

gothicaleigh
12-28-07, 08:26 AM
'05 GTOs got the LS2 and better brakes.
Don't know if the V is the seriously better looking car. More modern definitely, but the GTO has it's own look.

The GTO is great if you like the 10 year old Catera design. :yawn:

http://www.performanceautos25.com/2000CadillacCatera/ext5.jpg

eyekandyboats.inc
03-24-08, 08:24 PM
^ true dat!
i ran with 05 one time while down in the states and it was close but i took him with about 1 car length. and we stopped running at 120mph

Jesda
03-26-08, 12:21 PM
I like the Catera body. I just hate the fact that the Catera body is on the Catera. :P

SS from the "Wood"
04-14-08, 10:21 PM
The GTO is great if you like the 10 year old Catera design. :yawn:

http://www.performanceautos25.com/2000CadillacCatera/ext5.jpg

I think you've all got it wrong... the GTO looks more like a freakin' Celica to me... LOL... from the back to the front, b/c that's the way I'm viewing 'em

The Tony Show
04-16-08, 11:18 AM
Opel = Holden = Catera = GTO

Caleigh speaks the truth.

bossplayer
04-20-08, 11:00 AM
Opel = Holden = Catera = GTO

Caleigh speaks the truth.

I saw a Catera last night and thought it was a GTO at first.... for real.

dieselp
04-20-08, 10:19 PM
gto's have IRS also. 3700 # and are a good runing car just not good enough.

LunchboxGTI
04-21-08, 11:37 AM
I wonder, would this still hold true with an LS2 powered V? Or would it be neck and neck?

LS1Mike
04-21-08, 03:32 PM
It would be a drivers race, DON'T MAGAZINE RACE! LS6 VS LS2 VS LS2. It is very close, your advantage is gearing.
Now is his GTO a M6 or Auto. That will make a huge difference.

Even in the Magazine a .10 is nothing, DA, weather and track prep would all play into that.
I know you are on a Cadillac board, but you may want to ask this question over at LS1tech. Where there are Vs and GTO and vast wide knowledge of LSX powered vehicles.

Let me caviate by saying that you are just going to get a less biased answer over there, because there are Vettes, F-bodies, GTOs, V's etc.