Do you think I can get him to lower it?

http://nh.craigslist.org/car/487438368.html

Its definatly a CLEAN looking car.
Factory Wire wheels....
Black
Fleetwood Brougham Coupe
LOW miles....
Garaged
To bad its a 4100....

Its alot of money,But im sure its in nice shape all over.

IDK what your looking to get him too.. He isnt going to drop it to 3500.... Im sure if you wave cash in hand he may drop it 500-1000?

This guy clearly knows the real value of these cars. Offer him 6K and run, but personally I wouldn't get an ht4100 car unless it was just beater or fixer. That just seems like too much money for a 4.1L car. I bet you could get an '80 in the same condition or better for the same price.

Good luck! :thumbsup:

Greg

Try $6500. I mean it is a 4100 and all.

YES, 5k and it's a deal. My dad had a 84' White/White Fleetwood Coupe with lipstick red leather interior,opera lamps,moonroof,all loaded up. It was beautiful. I sold it because of the 4100:suspense:. it was recalled twice. The motor is junk, and slow as a glued down turtle. The car is gorgeous though:suspect:.

WAy too much. yes it's beautiful, and in apparenty wonderful shape, but so are alot of them.. you could get one in average "good driver" condition for about a grand and bring it up to the state of this one and still be 3 to 4 grand less money out of pocket.. but these coupe's are kinda scarce, and that one IS awfully nice...:bouncy:

...but these coupe's are kinda scarce, and that one IS awfully nice...:bouncy:

You don't know that for sure. You only see small faraway exterior pictures. And pictures can really make-or-break a sale, since a couple good shots can make a crap car look like gold, or make a gem car look like junk. Two cars on eBay that are exactly alike, one with good pics and one with shabby pics, can differ in price by over several thousands of dollars.

There was a guy on here not too long ago who bid over 10K on a Bro from eBay but didn't get it because it was shabby. With the right angle and the right light anything can happen in a camera frame.

The only way to go is to have either visited the car personally or have super large high-res closeups of the whole car.

For all you know that car could have shot interior (as peoples' standards for "great" are wayy different) and a $200 paint job in the evening light.

Agreed, it's mostly likely really nice, but most likely not worth it.


Greg

Yeah, here's what I assume when people say something is in really good condition: They're lying.

People love to lie about that. Till the end of time they will continue to say that whatever they're selling is absolutely pristine, but 99% of the time, it's all BS, especially if they aren't willing to give you any up close high-res pictures. Even then, I don't trust a camera nearly as much as I trust my own two eyes.

I'd agree with the closer to $5000 response and that's with a really clean interior and really looking garaged. That 25 year BS is just that BS. Yeah technically (according to who I don't know, the DMV maybe?) it's an antique but gimme a break. Most people think of a model-T or something or at least like a tailfinned Caddy when you say antique.
A lot of people have commented that these cars will become collectible because they're rare but rareness alone doesn't make a car collectible. THE collectible Cadillacs are almost all convertibles and some of the super Eldorados of the late 50's.
That's a really nice car, I had one back in the day. I think if he really wants to sell it it'll end up around $5k. Anybody with $8,500 to blow is probably going to get a late 60's hardtop or maybe even an 70's Eldo convertible.

^^ Yeah well, I think wherever there is an interest there will be a collector market. Someday when these cars are fifty years old, who knows what they'll thought of. I mean, folks didn't immediately know the '59 Eldo was a classic; that actually did not hit until the late 80s. Until then, you could still pick up a decent '59 Eldo for under a couple grand. Now they're worth over $100,000 if you have the right one. That's purely demand-based, and we have no clue what demand may be in later years.

As for the theoretical guy you speak of, what if he really DOES like the 80's Fleets. Being enthusiest-oriented doesn't always subject you to only popular expensive cars. Everyone has their own taste, ya know. ;)

Is 25 years old really an antique? I thought that only qualified it as a "Classic".

As my service adviser told me about the HT4100, "Don't walk, RUN!" With only 37,000 miles, God only knows what will fall apart when that thing hits the road. Old cars need to be driven. It is really pretty tough, from what I can make out of the ambiguously aimed pictures.

By the way, I own a Cadillac with the 4100, so trust me, RUN!

I wasn't really trying to knock this car as far as collectability goes what irks me is that anyone selling these tries to get a real premium for them for what really amounts to very little difference from a Coupe DeVille.

This generation of Cadillac (80 to 92) really can't be compared the 50's and 60's Cadillacs for collectability. For one thing, in those days, the designs changed every year so every year is unique or at least every two years. The '59 was very sought after by the time it was 23 years old, you couldn't get good Eldo for less than $2,000 in the late 80's. There was no mystery that the car would be a collector after the mid-seventies. I do remember the experts saying the Eldorado Brougham would be THE collector Cadillac and granted the '59 surpassed it (that is, if it's a convertible) but try finding a Brougham in good shape for less than $75k.

I understand what you mean about the guy who is crazy about Fleetwoods, that guy could exist, but there needs to be at least one guy like that who is as well heeled to compete with him to hold that price up. My guess is this owner might end up keeping and will complain "they wanted me to give it away" if he is offered $5k unless he really wants rid of it and keeps dropping and dropping his price. Seen it happen 1000 times both ways.

By the time the '84 Fleetwood car is 50, it will be collectible but so isn't every model of the 1957 and almost all of the hardtops including the Fleetwoods are pretty close in value. Value in old Cadillacs is almost always greatest in the convertibles.

You want THE collectable Caddy from '84, try the Eldo Convertible. Those prices are going up as we speak and pretty fast.

Do you plan on driving this car? Have you ever driven a 4100 caddy? Its like.. whats the word.. PAINFUL