: 2005 Cadillac STS



Rex Raider
05-16-03, 01:57 PM
http://www.sub300.com/gm/05sts.jpg

Katshot
05-16-03, 02:04 PM
God I hope not!!!

Nice job on the image though ;)

Brett
05-16-03, 02:38 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/future/2005/cadillac/sts/100278552/photos.html?tid=edmunds.f.review.vdpheaderphoto..0 .Cadillac*

BUILDINGCTSAMG
05-16-03, 03:36 PM
that looks too much like a cts that is all cladded in hiding, probably misslabeled

elwesso
05-16-03, 11:43 PM
I agree.

HotRodSaint
05-17-03, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by BUILDINGCTSAMG
that looks too much like a cts that is all cladded in hiding, probably misslabeled

Thus the reason for cladding. It supposed to make you wonder what it is you are actually seeing.

I once saw a cladded C-class Mercedes. I could have sworn it was a 3-series BMW. The cladding was intended to make me think that.

But there is no reason to hide a CTS. In fact. they didn't hide the CTS-V.

So what is due soon, that still needs to be kept hidden until it's closer to launch time? The 2005 STS.

BeelzeBob
05-17-03, 11:16 AM
The image looks great but I'd rather not see every Cadillac look the same. I have a funny feeling that's going to happen...

kcnewell
05-17-03, 11:44 AM
Probably will happen.....Look at all the cookie cutter cars we're forced to accept now!

BeelzeBob
05-17-03, 12:00 PM
True.. Right now, Cadillac is very unique.. I'd like them to stay that way. But if all their cars are basically going to have the same look, that'll blow...

Brett
05-17-03, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Sal Collaziano
The image looks great but I'd rather not see every Cadillac look the same. I have a funny feeling that's going to happen...


Look at MB and BMW. their styling definitely seems like they have a "same sausage, different lengths" state of mind

Rex Raider
05-17-03, 05:29 PM
When placing a picture of the current CTS next to that prototype shot, I'm not totally convinced that it is an STS.

The wheelbase and general proportions are identical.

Theres a bit lof a longer back end, but that might be due to the angle of the picture.

Check out my animated gif below.

http://www.sub300.com/gm/ctssts.gif

Katshot
05-17-03, 06:24 PM
Cool effect Rex!!

HotRodSaint
05-17-03, 09:50 PM
The crown line on the side of the car is positioned lower than the CTS. That could just be the cladding.

The rub strip is placed lower than the CTS. That could be the cladding.

There is a white spot for a light on the lower corner of the rear bumper. There is a white spot for a side marker on the front fender. It is missing the corner front light of the CTS. That could all be cladding.

The top of the fender doesn't seem to meet the top of the mirror, as it does on the CTS. That could be the cladding.

Since there's no reason to disguise a current generation CTS, it's either an STS or the next generation CTS.

Rex Raider
05-17-03, 10:46 PM
Couldn't it be an OLD picture?

HotRodSaint
05-18-03, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Rex Raider
Couldn't it be an OLD picture?

Anything is possible. But it's doubtful. Why would edmunds run an old photo?

In your very good morphing job. The mule is turned to the side quarter view, yet it's longer. Not just the tail end where the outside corner would appear longer, but also the inside corner of the greenhouse is longer. If it was the angle, it would be shorter.

That's just one of many differences I can see. I've listed some. But others are the angle of the rear end above the bumper. It is more upright on the CTS while the mule slants in at the top (as seen around the tail light section). The rear fender line is straight, not curved up like the CTS. The front fender line is lower than the CTS. There appears to be a turn indicator on the inside of the rear fender. The mule has a few more inches where the rear window starts to curve down than it does on the CTS. Again, the angle should lessen this effect.

Since the STS is supposed to share the CTS platform, then I would expect the wheel base to be similar. It's the styling cues that will distinguish it. I think there are enough signs here to point to this being the STS. And I think there's enough evidence here to show that the STS will be distinctly different from the CTS.

Rex Raider
05-18-03, 09:48 AM
It's all very possible, but a little disappointing.
I'm not crazy about the Art&Science design theme, and was hoping that the STS would be significantly different from the CTS. Not just a slightly bigger version of it.
I'll reserve judgement for when the actual car is revealed.

Brett
05-18-03, 11:29 AM
all the info ive seen points to the STS being the same size as the SRX, basically the STS will be a sedan SRX.

Stoneage_Caddy
06-28-03, 06:27 PM
well ive heard grumbelings of sts being a big CTS , rear drive and all ....

but then again a SRX is a 4wd wagon version of the cts so i dont think the sts would be spun directly off either , would need to be bigger than cts , smaller than whatever would replace deville

3 inch wider track 5 inch longer wheel base and a northstar would make a pretty sweet sts , oh and rear drive

in other words i think the photo of the sts is correct (hybrid that photoshop and the spy shot and youd have it)

wonder when there gonna bust out those side gills that were on the sixteen show car , those were sweet , screamed caddy

Andrew60SP
06-30-03, 04:47 PM
There are some new spy shots at Car connection:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6161&sid=178&n=158

Really looks like a stretched CTS under that camouflage...

Rex Raider
06-30-03, 05:24 PM
New take on it.

I modified the concept picture.

http://www.sub300.com/gm/2005sts.jpg

AirJigga25
06-30-03, 06:13 PM
They are messing with a good thing...again. I like the look of the old sts. :banghead:

Rex Raider
07-02-03, 02:49 PM
A modified less "wedge" shaped version of the camo pic:

http://www.sub300.com/gm/sts2.jpg

Andrew60SP
07-16-03, 06:29 PM
More stuff from GMI:
http://www.gminsidenews.com/sts_spied.shtml

catbert
07-19-03, 05:39 PM
There are some new spy shots at Car connection:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6161&sid=178&n=158

Really looks like a stretched CTS under that camouflage...


I think they all ARE CTSs. They are based on the same platform, so there is no reason not to use the CTS as a mule for the various systems of the STS. Look at the scale of the mule next to the other cars - it's too small to be a STS, even the new model....IMHO :cowboy:

MMNineInchNails
07-19-03, 08:30 PM
Personally, if the cadillac was so squared like that and shapped, i would not buy that. It looks like a funny car.

Bigoz
07-27-03, 05:03 AM
I think it could be a good lookng car under those covers
however i think they shouldnt ues projector beam
headlights on it i think they should go with reflectors over
clear lenses like the deville( 2000 up ) with bright blue
High intensity discharge , and continue to use a trunk
width L.E.D brake lamp like an STS should

03EscaladeAWD
07-28-03, 12:34 AM
New take on it.

I modified the concept picture.

http://www.sub300.com/gm/2005sts.jpg
:bulging: :vomit: :bighead:

kcnewell
07-28-03, 02:24 AM
New take on it.

I modified the concept picture.

http://www.sub300.com/gm/2005sts.jpg


Way too ugly for me!

elwesso
07-28-03, 11:20 AM
Pretty much..... I hate the edgy designs..... It needs to be more fluid.....

AirJigga25
07-28-03, 06:29 PM
Way too ugly for me!
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/6991_image.jpg

SPY PHOTO OF 2005 STS

AirJigga25
07-28-03, 06:30 PM
THESE ARE supposed to have 400 hp.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/6992_image.jpg

AirJigga25
07-28-03, 06:31 PM
http://www.gminsidenews.com/sss888_small.jpg

AirJigga25
07-28-03, 06:32 PM
the rear view of the 2005 STS from GM insider
http://www.gminsidenews.com/sts8888%20copy_small.jpg

Brett
07-28-03, 06:35 PM
"THESE ARE supposed to have 400 hp. "




The STS will most likely carry the same engines as the SRX that shares its platform and dimensions, which means base v-6 and optional northstar. The 400hp could come in the form of the V-series

03EscaladeAWD
07-29-03, 04:04 PM
"THESE ARE supposed to have 400 hp. "




The STS will most likely carry the same engines as the SRX that shares its platform and dimensions, which means base v-6 and optional northstar. The 400hp could come in the form of the V-series
A V6 Seville. I think it might actually be pretty popular, since its the "import fighter" and most imports have base V6s. Better gas mileage and some people like the smoother sound instead of a rumble. I think if they're gonna do that, make a new inline 6. Then you might start seeing sales.



But no Lame Duck I6!!!

Brett
07-29-03, 04:22 PM
I agree, most people here cringe when they hear cadillac and v-6 in the same sentence. But if its gonna compete with E320 and 530i, then a 6 is not a bad choice, especially for the city dwellers.

Jesda
09-14-03, 09:32 PM
I believe Car and Driver said, "As the Art & Science design matures, the 2005 STS will have softer lines."

So it might not have the shockingly slammed creases as the CTS, but will have some of the character.

-Jesda

elwesso
09-14-03, 09:53 PM
Hey bud..... Welcome to cadillacforums!!! :wave:

kobiashi
09-17-03, 01:02 PM
After reading Jesda's post I decided to take a CTS and change it around, soften it out, and eventually ended up with this which is my guess what the new STS will look like


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/pcfb461891d01c834b2eebd8c81ea1475/fb111732.jpg


What do you all think?

Brett
09-17-03, 01:13 PM
Nice, i like the front end alot

AirJigga25
09-17-03, 01:53 PM
it looks like a mercedes benz.

kobiashi
09-17-03, 02:22 PM
it looks like a mercedes benz.

A little bit....

It also looks a bit like the CTS

It is clear that Cadillac is using the same look for every vehicle in their lineup...so I took a CTS put it in photoshop, and cut out sections, distorted them and reattached them to the car.

The platform for the STS is the same as the CTS which is why I used the CTS as a base. Extended the overhangs, rounded it out just a little, put on some larger wheels (increased the size of wheel wells too) and there you have it.

Like I said, it's my "guess".

Here's the two together.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/p152a52642093d6cfe9197ed0a0faa7a8/fb1069fd.jpg

03EscaladeAWD
09-18-03, 01:25 PM
After reading Jesda's post I decided to take a CTS and change it around, soften it out, and eventually ended up with this which is my guess what the new STS will look like


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/pcfb461891d01c834b2eebd8c81ea1475/fb111732.jpg


What do you all think?
Needs better rims, but out of all the sts pictures here, that is by far the best.

riq242
11-23-03, 09:51 AM
i did some drawing myself too,
based on original cts pics and other peoples drawings..
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1046