: Dyno Results 181hp...



CateraMV6
10-27-07, 04:02 PM
Well after a long wait she finaly got to run on the Dyno, it was a DynaPack dyno which measures HP at the axle and the numbers were bad... now here is why...
:thehand: Before you all start smashing up this thread I need to clarify that I didnt know my numbers so we put in 2nd gear and the gear ratio we used was 1.67 when in reality its 1.48 and also the rear end ratio was 3.73 and in reality that was 3.90 so the HP is off but the Torque is even more off...

The HP was 181 and the torque was 148 which is way too low so now i got to figure the damn equations and try to correct that...

Also for some reason the car couldnt go past 6K RPM she stopped there very run and I think its because of the dyno... it was set to back off at that RPM... they were affraid of damagin the engine I guess... but the HP graph kept rising so I guess at 6500RPM it would have been more like 185-186.... something like that...

Another thing is the Dynopack runs lower HP ratings then the other ones so In reality it should be about 8% higher... so I am off to digging my books so I can figure that stuff out...

yellowxhoodie
10-27-07, 04:33 PM
well 181 is not to far off. The Cateras are believed to have 200 HP stock. and im pretty sure thats not at the wheels...

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 06:33 PM
Well I had to go back there and talk to the guy and he took the actual numbers and was able to use the data he got and regraph the HP and TQ curves.... and we got what he expected out of it... so I was happy with the results...
The car has 85000mi... its been babied always so the motor is as strong as it gets...

Now mind you the car has a K&N Filter and a Steinmetz Exhaust, 94Ocatane... and it was in sport mode for all three runs...
I can tell the exhaust was a huge difference across the RPM but I didn't think it would be that much... so I am happy with the results...
This one is the best run as the other ones were not that far off... The other two were 190HP and 187HP
:lildevil:
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n50/CateraMV6/OmegaDynoChart.jpg

10KTGOLD
10-27-07, 06:36 PM
First Gear Ratio (:1) 2.86
Second Gear Ratio (:1) 1.62
Third Gear Ratio (:1) 1.00
Fourth Gear Rato (:1) 0.72
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1)
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1)
Reverse Ratio (:1) 2.00
Clutch Size (in)
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1) 3.90

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 06:38 PM
well... wait now why is the 2nd gear 1.62, I thought it was 1.48....

MyOpel
10-27-07, 06:38 PM
The hp rating is at the flywheel so your 181 hp at the axle is quite good, it also matches what Warez got. http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-catera-cimarron-forum/76880-catera-dyno.html

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 06:40 PM
So I looked the trans up and I guess there is a base and optional gear box which comes with a 1.62 and the base is 1.48.... if that is the case the numbers will drop a little bit.... probably by 1 or 2 units...

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 10:22 PM
So anyways these numbers do make sence considering how much the car has improved over stock with jsut the Filter and the Exhaust system.... the torque numbers seem a bit high at 207 ftlb... but the hp is sweet right at 191... and also the 181 was on one of the first runs and it was only at somethign around 6K... the true HP number came from 6450rpms-ish... i just happened to remember that number for some reason...

The three runs were:

187 hp and 203.2 ftlb
190 hp and 204.5 ftlb
191 hp and 207.7 ftlb

I should also mention that the car was sill cold when we ran the 1st run and then by the last one it had reached normal operating temp... so I dont know if that had something to do with the climbing HP...

I guess the torque seems a bit high and that was at the 3000RPM range and then it dropped off some but stayed flat to the end so I dont know which one to look at... Peaked at 207 but stayed flat around 180-190 so ... I will go with the 207 for now...

Also the Base trans with the 1.62 gears was used on the 4 cyl for more accelaration I guess and all V6s got the 1.48 so just keep that in mind if you go to dyno yours...

10KTGOLD
10-27-07, 10:26 PM
hmm how come mine has the 1.62 gears. i bought all the options list for the car and thats the tranny it said it had , also heres the list of crap too.


1999 Cadillac Catera

General Information
VIN W06VR52R0XR027176 VALID Passengers 5 Date 10/26/2007
Year 1999 Doors 4 Invoice $43,554.00
Make Cadillac Manual/Auto Trans. No / Std MSRP $37,180.00
Model Catera Forced Induction No Delivery $640.00
Trim FrontWD No Engine Type V6 Cylinder Engine
Style 4-Door Sedan RearWD Std Engine Size (Metric/CID) 3.0L/181
Market 4-door Mid-Size Passenger Car AllWD No Horsepower 200 @ 6000
Towing FourWD No Torque 192 @ 3600
Fleet Only No Stepside No Fuel Type Gasoline Fuel

Standard Equipment Optional Equipment
Power Driver Seat Chrome Wheels
Power Passenger Seat Sun/Moon Roof
Leather Seats Premium Sound System
Bucket Seats Heated Driver Seat
Power Steering Heated Passenger Seat
Adjustable Steering Wheel CD Player
Tires - Front Performance Power Tilt/Sliding Sunroof
Tires - Rear Performance
Traction Control
4-Speed Automatic Transmission
Aluminum Wheels
4-Wheel ABS
Cruise Control
Rear Wheel Drive
V6 Cylinder Engine
Gasoline Fuel
Power Door Locks
Heated Mirrors
Vehicle Anti-Theft System
Driver Air Bag
Heated Exterior Driver Mirror
Heated Exterior Passenger Mirror
Power Windows
Automatic Transmission
Passenger Air Bag
Climate Control
Dual Zone Air Conditioner
Air Conditioner
Alarm
AM/FM Stereo
Cassette

Installed Equipment
MECHANICAL
3.0L (181) DOHC 24-valve V6 engine
4-speed automatic transmission w/OD
Brake/transmission shift interlock
Full-range brake & engine traction control
Rear wheel drive
600 CCA battery w/rundown protection
120 amp alternator
Anti-lockout feature
Long-life coolant
Unibody construction w/integral frame
4-wheel independent suspension
Front MacPherson struts, rear multi-link trailing arm, front/rear coil springs.
Electronic level control
P225/55HR16 all-season mud & snow SBR BSW Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires
Full size spare tire
16" x 7.0" 5-spoke cast aluminum chrome wheels
Speed-sensitive roller ball-bearing steering
4-wheel vented front/solid rear power disc brakes
Anti-lock braking system (ABS)
18 gallon fuel tank
Tethered fuel cap
Stainless steel dual exhaust system
EXTERIOR
Clearcoat paint
Body-color bumpers/side moldings
Integrated front/rear body-color fascia
Black chrome grille
Integrated tungsten halogen headlamps
Integrated fog/cornering lamps
Daytime running lamps
Twilight sentinel
Dual power heated blue-tinted mirrors w/memory function
Solar-Ray tinted glass
Controlled-cycle wiper system w/demand wash, automatic headlamp activation
INTERIOR
Front bucket seats
Leather seating areas
8-way power driver seat
Driver seat memory settings
8-way power front passenger seat
Manual reclining front passenger seat w/power height adjuster
Articulating/height-adjustable front/rear outboard headrests
Rear bench seat w/split-folding seatback, trunk pass-through
Console
Storage armrest, dual cupholder, transmission shift handle, emergency brake, power window controls.
Rear center armrest
Simulated woodgrain appliques
Floor carpeting w/front/rear carpeted floor mats
Trunk carpeting
Leather-trimmed 4-spoke tilt steering wheel w/fingertip controls for radio
Analog instrument cluster
Speedometer, tachometer, voltmeter, trip odometer, coolant temp, fuel level, oil pressure.
Warning chimes
Headlights-on, key-in-ignition, seat belts, turn signal.
Instrument panel telltales/driver information messages
Instrument panel switch pod
Hazard warning, remote fuel-filler door/trunk releases, traction control switch.
Power windows w/express up/down, pinch guard, rear window child lockout
Programmable power door locks
Automatic door lock system, central door unlocking, rear door child security locks.
Retained accessory power
Remote keyless entry system w/illuminated entry
Programmable 3-channel garage door opener
Audible theft-deterrent system
Flash-to-pass
Encoded key anti-theft system
Cruise control
Electronic climate control system
Dual-zone control,manual recirculation/ mode control, rear vent outlets, rear floor ducts, continuous outside temp display, ice warning feature.
Electric rear window defogger
Front side window defoggers
ETR AM stereo/FM stereo w/cassette
Seek/scan, digital display, Theftlock, (8) speakers.
Integrated rear window antenna
Digital clock
Telephone or OnStar Services Package w/fixed telephone
Front/rear cigar lighters
Front door map pockets
Front/rear door armrests
Electrochromic automatic day/night rearview mirror w/memory function
Dual illuminated visor vanity mirrors w/padded visors
Front/rear passenger assist handles
Lighting
Map, rear reading, glove box, front ashtray.
Front seatback pockets
Trunk convenience net
EPA FUEL ECONOMY RATINGS
City 18/hwy 24 (3.0L engine/4-speed auto trans)
SAFETY
Anti-lock braking system (ABS)
Driver & front passenger Next Generation air bags
3-point manual outboard seat belts w/5-position height adjustments
3-point manual rear center seat belt
Front seat belt pre-tensioners/web clamps
Child seat restraints for outboard passenger positions
Rear door child safety security locks
Rear window child lockout
Full-range brake & engine traction control
Brake/transmission shift interlock
Side door impact beams
Daytime running lamps
Steel safety cage
Front knee bolsters

Optional Equipment Code Invoice Retail
NOTE
** ALL PASSENGER CARS SOLD IN 1999 FOR $36,000 AND ABOVE ARE SUBJECT TO A LUXURY TAX ** N/A $.00 $.00
EMISSIONS
FEDERAL EMISSIONS FE9 $.00 $.00
REDUCED EMISSIONS
must be ordered in CT, DC, DE, MA, MD, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI or VA. NG1 $.00 $.00
CALIFORNIA EMISSIONS YF5 $.00 $.00
ENGINE
3.0L (181) DOHC 24-VALVE V6 ENGINE (STD) L81 $.00 $.00
TRANSMISSION
4-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION W/OD (STD) N/A $.00 $.00
POPULAR CONFIGURATION GROUPS
POPULAR CONFIGURATION GROUP NOT DESIRED
Required for Custom Orders. N/A $.00 $.00
POPULAR CONFIGURATION GROUP A
Base vehicle only. RA $.00 $.00
POPULAR CONFIGURATION GROUP B
Bose sound system, express-open sunroof . RB $1,672.80 $1,968.00
POPULAR CONFIGURATION GROUP C
Bose sound system, heated seats, chrome wheels . RC $1,695.10 $2,193.00
POPULAR CONFIGURATION GROUP D
Bose sound system, heated seats, express-open sunroof, rear power sunshade, chrome wheels . RD $2,791.60 $3,483.00
TIRES
P225/55HR16 ALL-SEASON MUD & SNOW SBR BSW GOODYEAR EAGLE RS-A TIRES (STD) N/A $.00 $.00
SEAT TRIM
NAPPA SOFT LEATHER SEAT TRIM (STD) 5 $.00 $.00
PAINT TYPE
CLEARCOAT EXTERIOR PAINT (STD) N/A $.00 $.00
ADDITIONAL OPTIONS
EXPRESS-OPEN SUNROOF (N/A w/RA or RC Popular Configuration Group)
Slightly reduces headroom. CF5 $845.75 $995.00
REAR PWR SUNSHADE (REQ: Custom Order or RD Popular Configuration Group) DE1 $250.75 $295.00
HEATED FRONT/REAR SEATS (N/A w/RA or RB Popular Configuration Group) KA1 $361.25 $425.00
5-SPOKE CHROME WHEELS (N/A w/RA or RB Popular Configuration Group) P05 $506.80 $795.00
ON PREFERENCE PRICE SHEET R8T $2.00 $.00
SPORT PACKAGE
Special sport-tuned suspension *Affects color availability* (REQ: Custom Order). TV5 $675.75 $795.00
BOSE SOUND SYSTEM
ETR AM stereo/FM stereo w/cassette, CD player, seek-scan, digital display, weatherband, radio data system, (8) speakers, Theftlock (N/A w/RA Popular Configuration Group). UL6 $827.05 $973.00
MANUFACTURER STATEMENT OF ORIGIN ZV1 $.00 $.00

Technical Specifications
Description Value
Vehicle Name Catera
Body Style 4 Door Sedan
Drivetrain Rear Wheel Drive
EPA Classification Mid-Size
Passenger Capacity 5
Passenger Volume (ft³) 98.2
Base Curb Weight (lbs) 3770
EPA Fuel Economy Est - City (MPG) 18
EPA Fuel Economy Est - Hwy (MPG) 24
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs) 1000
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs) 100
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs)
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs)
Engine Order Code
Engine Type Gas V6
Displacement 3.0L/181
Fuel System EFI
SAE Net Horsepower @ RPM 200 @ 6000
SAE Net Torque @ RPM 192 @ 3600
Trans Order Code
Trans Type 4
Trans Description Cont. Automatic w/OD,
Trans Description Cont. Again Electronic
First Gear Ratio (:1) 2.86
Second Gear Ratio (:1) 1.62
Third Gear Ratio (:1) 1.00
Fourth Gear Rato (:1) 0.72
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1)
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1)
Reverse Ratio (:1) 2.00
Clutch Size (in)
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1) 3.90
Cold Cranking Amps @ 0° F (Primary) 600
Maximum Alternator Capacity (amps) 130
Total Cooling System Capacity (qts) 10.6
Suspension Type - Front MacPherson strut
Suspension Type - Rear Multi-link
Suspension Type - Front (Cont.) w/Coil Springs
Suspension Type - Rear (Cont.) w/Coil Springs
Shock Absorber Diameter - Front (mm) 35
Shock Absorber Diameter - Rear (mm) 35
Stabilizer Bar Diameter - Front (in) 1.02
Stabilizer Bar Diameter - Rear (in) 0.59
Front Tire Order Code
Rear Tire Order Code
Spare Tire Order Code
Front Tire Size P225/55R16
Rear Tire Size P225/55R16
Spare Tire Size P225/55R16
Front Wheel Size (in) 16 x 7.0
Rear Wheel Size (in) 16 x 7.0
Spare Wheel Size (in) 16 x 7.0
Front Wheel Material Aluminum
Rear Wheel Material Aluminum
Spare Wheel Material Aluminum
Steering Type Speed-Sensitive
Steering Ratio (:1), Overall 13.5
Lock to Lock Turns (Steering) 3.0
Turning Diameter - Curb to Curb (ft) 34.1
Turning Diameter - Wall to Wall (ft) 36.3
Brake Type Power
Brake ABS System Yes
Disc - Front (Yes or No ) Yes
Disc - Rear (Yes or No ) Yes
Front Brake Rotor Diam x Thickness (in) 11.7 x 1.1
Rear Brake Rotor Diam x Thickness (in) 11.3 x 0.47
Drum - Rear (Yes or No )
Rear Drum Diam x Width (in)
Fuel Tank Capacity, Approx (gal) 18.0
Front Head Room (in) 38.7
Front Leg Room (in) 42.2
Front Shoulder Room (in) 54.6
Front Hip Room (in) 54.9
Second Head Room (in) 38.4
Second Leg Room (in) 37.5
Second Shoulder Room (in) 55.9
Second Hip Room (in) 55.2
Wheelbase (in) 107.5
Length, Overall (in) 194.0
Width, Max w/o mirrors (in) 70.3
Height, Overall (in) 56.4
Tread Width, Front (in) 59.3
Tread Width, Rear (in) 59.8
Min Ground Clearance (in) 5.2
Liftover Height (in) 26.7
Trunk Volume (ft³) 14.5
Seventh Gear Ratio (:1)

Exterior with Matching Interior Colors Code
Exterior color: Ivory (White) 11
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Stone 82
Exterior color: Sky (Blue) 25
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Stone 82
Exterior color: Forest (Green) 46
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Stone 82
Exterior color: Platinum (Silver) 57
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Stone 82
Exterior color: Sand (Tan) 68
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Exterior color: Cranberry (Red) 75
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Stone 82
Exterior color: Ebony (Black) 80
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Stone 82
Exterior color: Cocoa (Brown) 91
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Exterior color: Sage (Green) 97
Shale 60
Ebony 80
Stone 82

Consumer Information
Warranty
Basic: 4 Years/50,000 Miles
Drivetrain: 8 Years/80,000 Miles
Corrosion: 6 Years/100,000 Miles
Roadside Assistance: 4 Years/50,000 Miles

10KTGOLD
10-27-07, 10:29 PM
i just copyed and paste that sorry its hard to read, it was in sections and just pasted odd

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 10:34 PM
Well this is where I found out about the Optional and Base configurations and I guess the Base was due to a weak engine so they gave it slightly different gears...

http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/BMW_Automatic_4L30E.pdf

10KTGOLD
10-27-07, 11:05 PM
Gear Ratios
Base Optional
1st: 2.400 2.860
2nd: 1.467 1.620
3rd: 1.000 1.000
4th: 0.723 0.723
Rev: 2.000 2.000


lol you said the base is the 1.62, wow im lost

10KTGOLD
10-27-07, 11:06 PM
"Also the Base trans with the 1.62 gears was used on the 4 cyl for more accelaration I guess and all V6s got the 1.48 so just keep that in mind if you go to dyno yours..."

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 11:12 PM
Oh wow, I guess I am lost cuz I am looking at all the different specs on the transmissions and I guess you are right... the ones we got are 1.62 and I got them confused with the 1.467... my bad...

So I will have to redo the graphs again and see where the power will go... I will drop a little bit I think... we will have to see by how much...

But I guess I got confused because I was looking at the transmissions and the engines that were mated to them and I was under the impression that the V6 was mated with the 1.467 gears and the 2.2L were mounted to the 1.62 thats why i got confused....

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 11:20 PM
Check this site and there they list them as 1.48 so I dont know what to make of this anymore... everyone has different numbers... go figure...

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/ >>> Eligible Cars >>> Vauxhall/Opel Omega 'B' >>> Omega 3.0i/3.2i Elite >>> Technical Specifications and thats where the gearbox info is...

TYPE
CLUTCH

DIAMETER
GEAR RATIOS FINAL DRIVE RATIOS


1 2 3 4 5 Rev.
Manual 240 mm 3.81:1 2.11:1 1.34:1 1.00:1 0.81:1 3.40:1 3.70:1
Automatic - 2.40:1 1.48:1 1.00:1 0.72:1 - 2.00:1 3.90:1

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 11:31 PM
Here is where I got the info....

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6951/gearratiosbv9.jpg Thats why now I am confused...

Notice the basic one has the 1.62 and the V6 has the 1.48

10KTGOLD
10-27-07, 11:39 PM
yeah lol , hell i dont know ,the info i have is for my vin. someones info on the sites are wrong lol. maybe there geared differant in the uk

CateraMV6
10-27-07, 11:43 PM
Ok so as a conclusion I guess there are 3 different gear ratios that were available for 2nd gear in the 4L30E trans... 1.467, 1.48, 1.62 so I would trust the info you got form your vin info... btw where did you get that vin info from is there a VIN Decoder page somewhere?

10KTGOLD
10-28-07, 12:06 AM
www.decodethis.com cost 4.00

elvin315
10-28-07, 12:18 AM
The Catera had only one engine, one transmission, and one final drive during its entire run (the electronics changed though). The Omega had several models and levels as you can see. Your last chart doesn't even list the 3.0L V6. Here's what I got at GM mediaOnline. Look under Driveline.

http://media.gm.com/division/cadillac/products/00cadillac/catera/00specs.htm

Elvin

10KTGOLD
10-28-07, 12:55 AM
Driveline
Drive System Type Rear-wheel drive
Gear Ratios
1st 2.856:1
2nd 1.62:1
3rd 1.0:1
4th .723:1
Reverse 2.0:1
Overall Final Drive Ratio 3.9:1
Transmission Four-speed electronic shift control, auto,
Hydramatic THM 4L30E


So I was right lol yea .

CateraMV6
10-28-07, 01:13 AM
Yep you hit it right on the money... here is the final graph corrected for the 1.62 gear ratio...

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n50/CateraMV6/CateraPowerRating.jpg

PEETYZ
10-28-07, 10:42 PM
yep 10ktgold and elvin are correct on gear ratios i have 97 factory brochure and it says same

CateraMV6
10-28-07, 10:53 PM
yep 10ktgold and elvin are correct on gear ratios i have 97 factory brochure and it says same

Ok thanks for the info, then the last graph I posted should be the most accurate one, I got a buddy who works at GM and he is in the powertrain division so he said he will look around for some more info and possibly even some data about the engine etc...

10KTGOLD
10-28-07, 11:21 PM
based on 192tq and you hit 196tq?

CateraMV6
10-28-07, 11:31 PM
Its not stock remember I have things done to it and that morning the air was nice and cold at 55degrees so If i put it on a dyno on a hot day it should be lower then what I got on Saturday...

Also remember that in Europe they are rated at 210HP and 200TQ I think and when they brought them over nothing was changed... except maybe the cats but thats it... and so our cars are generally underrated... also who else got HP/TQ graphs so that we can compare... them?

I have been looking at the Dyno graphs for the engine and they look almost identical to mine, same peaks around the same RPMs etc... and if the 1.48 happens to be right then it will be even higher...

I can tell the car had more power from the moment I drove it with the new exhaust on there and soon the X pipe will come and hopefully that will make even more power...

10KTGOLD
10-29-07, 12:19 AM
cool, sux that a cai or dropin doesnt do much but 1hp gain. but the exhaust and removed cats does tho?

CateraMV6
10-29-07, 12:32 AM
Well I think another guy on here had 185hp so i am right on there... he didn't get TQ because somehow they never read the RPMs to figure it out... althou I would say that he can calculate that with a formula based on the HP curve...