: Learned a valuable lesson today!



rekctsv
10-23-07, 07:14 PM
I guess I've made it to much of a habit to switch to Competitve Driving mode every time I get in the car.

It had been raining on and off on my way home from work. So the roads were a little damp but not soaking wet. I make my turn off the highway onto a small secondary road. I have to slow down and yield as I make the right turn but not stop. So I'm in 2nd gear, just about completely made my turn when I give it a little gas and big mistake. The car goes almost completely sideways, I lift my foot but no brakes and try to fight it, Stabili-track kicks, then I go back hard the other way and then I'm saved!

I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was in Competitive Driving mode and the roads were damp. I also think the road surface played a part but if it wasnt for Stabili-track I would have been doing donuts.

mrwhite
10-23-07, 07:24 PM
Actually I believe you're referring to turning traction control off. I believe that in competition mode, the stabilitrack turns off.

Glad to hear that you and your car are OK. Looking on the brighter side, at least you didn't use your brakes!

mrwhite
10-23-07, 07:25 PM
Argh... Nevermind, in competition mode, stabilitrack is still on.

CTSV_Rob
10-23-07, 07:28 PM
Name almost fit.

I just decided to pump up the motor and put a lightened flywheel in. Even with the traction control on I can still break it loose in third.

Real curious to see what the StealthV tune will do...

BTW, Good warning for people who run competitive mode in the rain.

nikon
10-23-07, 07:31 PM
why it's a habit for some of you guys to turn the traction/stability off when you get in the car is beyond me...I'm in my 20's and have more common sense than that....your not on a race track and your not mario andretti. If you wanna play around and drive 'aggressively' sign up for an autoX for starters and then buck up and get on a road course....the safety features were put there for a reason...

At least you didn't wipe out into another car, or whack a curb.

The Tony Show
10-23-07, 07:41 PM
I'm also a member of the "Stabilitrak saved my bacon" club. :)

CTSV_Rob
10-23-07, 07:42 PM
Tracking the V does sound like fun and I will be doing this soon but I didn't buy this car to drive it like a granny either. Still, A good point about leaving the traction control on while driving on the city streets, and I for one am glad it defaults on.

CadillacSTS42005
10-23-07, 07:47 PM
lol
dont have a V but Stabilitrak saved my 97 ETC when i was "smart" enough to take a sharp bend with my ETC at about 80ish...

NormV
10-23-07, 09:13 PM
Sure, 3rd gear punch @ 60 mph with just abs(abs fault turns all stability controls off) will practically send you out of your lane. Even as an driving instructor for a few clubs we can get crossed up too. :)


Norm

darkman
10-23-07, 09:15 PM
I'm also a member of the "Stabilitrak saved my bacon" club. :)

I agree. I think the more aggressive you drive on the street the more you need the Stabilitrak because it can save you from yourself. I only use competition mode if I am about to do something deliberate, well thought out, and with preferably without witnesses.

rekctsv
10-23-07, 09:26 PM
why it's a habit for some of you guys to turn the traction/stability off when you get in the car is beyond me...I'm in my 20's and have more common sense than that....your not on a race track and your not mario andretti. If you wanna play around and drive 'aggressively' sign up for an autoX for starters and then buck up and get on a road course....the safety features were put there for a reason...

At least you didn't wipe out into another car, or whack a curb.
Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand.:yup:

SkullV
10-23-07, 09:30 PM
:banghead:

fredcook
10-23-07, 09:42 PM
Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand.:yup:

I understand... nothing more thrilling than nailing the throttle on a '69 Chevelle with 454 inches, GM 8-71 blower and NOS... uncontrolled fishtailing to over 120 MPH with lousy steering and pretty much no brakes to speak of. And that was just on the way to high school. Hmmm.... and we all survived without stabilitrak, ABS, etc.

I do admit, I do, on occasion, remove the V's safeguards and reminisce...

CTSV_Rob
10-23-07, 09:47 PM
...and with preferably without witnesses.
Do the witnesses you refer to carry a badge?

nikon
10-23-07, 09:56 PM
Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand.:yup:

Ya, you'll be dead....and I'll still be enjoying my life...possibly with the new V?? :bouncy:

This may be a joke to you, but I've had 1 family member get decapitated on a bike and another crushed by a semi in his car for driving like a moron, and thinking he was mario andretti....funny part was he actually was a race car driver.....everyone ****s up, just remember you can still die.

darkman
10-23-07, 10:08 PM
Do the witnesses you refer to carry a badge?

At triple-digit speeds you often don't know until its too late.

1QUICKV
10-23-07, 10:33 PM
i tell you in the rain, my car will: slip, hop, slide, jump, etc all over the high way/ streets. i can't see why the car slips so much. You can't even drive normal in the rain. It feels like the car always wants to come around. Or that the front wants to slide out from under you. Its a beast in the rain, but amazing to drift in the rain when the roads are alittle wet.

DILLIGAF
10-23-07, 10:46 PM
Start car,shut that shit off,unless it's raining.

rekctsv
10-23-07, 11:07 PM
Ya, you'll be dead....and I'll still be enjoying my life...possibly with the new V?? :bouncy:

This may be a joke to you, but I've had 1 family member get decapitated on a bike and another crushed by a semi in his car for driving like a moron, and thinking he was mario andretti....funny part was he actually was a race car driver.....everyone ****s up, just remember you can still die.
Man you are trying to take this way too deep! I wasn't asking for a lesson on moral values from a 22 year old, I don't need it.

Yes I put on Competitive Driving Mode for a little spirited driving from time to time. Even when I do that its for straight line fun no finding twisties stuff, or no high speed driving. I may break the tires loose on a shift to 2nd gear and 3rd, that's why I bought a sports car. Hell, I'm afraid to launch the car hard in 1st gear.

I have maybe two places where on my commute where I can actually do anything. And if it makes you feel any better I left work where it was dry and drove into an area where it had previously rained and was still a little damp. Which is why I forgot about being in Competitve Mode, which I am a mature enough driver to decide when I want to go into this mode.

So man please chill out, I have a family to come home to everyday. And besides, if I died doing some crazy driving the insurance company probably wouldn't pay my wife, then she would kill me again!:)

nikon
10-23-07, 11:29 PM
No, going too deep would be comparing you to a drunk that thinks hes mature enough to know when he can still drive......c'mon man you shouldn't need moral advice from a 22 year old...but it sounds like you could use it....SAFETY features are there for a reason...and if your only going fast in a straight line then why not only turn of T/C.....and for that matter you know that the more you spin your tires the slower you go...right? Figure it out man, your only arguing with me because you know I'm right...and if you don't wanna admit that, then at least acknowledge that your tearin the shit out of your car, especially if you have a 'habit' of putting it into comp mode.

rekctsv
10-23-07, 11:58 PM
No, going too deep would be comparing you to a drunk that thinks hes mature enough to know when he can still drive......c'mon man you shouldn't need moral advice from a 22 year old...but it sounds like you could use it....SAFETY features are there for a reason...and if your only going fast in a straight line then why not only turn of T/C.....and for that matter you know that the more you spin your tires the slower you go...right? Figure it out man, your only arguing with me because you know I'm right...and if you don't wanna admit that, then at least acknowledge that your tearin the shit out of your car, especially if you have a 'habit' of putting it into comp mode.
Now your age is really starting to show!

I said I like to spin the tires shifting to 2nd and 3rd, what does that have to do with going fast? I don't have to break the speed limit to do that?

Why do I need to admit to you what I'm doing to my car, It's My Car!

And lastly I don't need to argue with you, I'm done with this discussion and you!

rekctsv
10-24-07, 12:04 AM
Start car,shut that shit off,unless it's raining.
Normally I don't drive the V in the rain unless I get caught in it, like today.

But you are right, I never shut it off when it's raining out (or with passengers).

CTSV_Rob
10-24-07, 01:37 AM
Bought the car to have fun and that's what I do. Darkman, good point on the triple digits, this is why I don't push it at night.

I never turn it off, probably because it gets loose enough for me while it's on. Damn, if I didn't drive the car the way I do I would get a Honda or something that get's good gas mileage.

Not driving the V like you stole it is like drinking alcohol free beer, decaf coffee,.... Why???

BTW, Before any of you jump up on your soap box, I won't even drink one beer before getting into the drivers seat in the V and when it rains I usually garage it to keep the engine compartment clean. Anal - Hell Yes, Do I like to push the car to it's potential oh hell yes, If something breaks well that means it required an upgrade anyways.

Oh Man, this car is bad a$$ and great to drive. I like this forum because I believe there are people that share this same belief.

Life is too short, you must enjoy it while you can....

Man I love this car!

darkman
10-24-07, 07:09 AM
i tell you in the rain, my car will: slip, hop, slide, jump, etc all over the high way/ streets. i can't see why the car slips so much. You can't even drive normal in the rain. It feels like the car always wants to come around. Or that the front wants to slide out from under you. Its a beast in the rain, but amazing to drift in the rain when the roads are alittle wet.

My problems with this car in the rain went away when I retired the stock F1 Supercar EMTS in favor of F1 GS-D3 EMTS. The Supercars were great on a hot summer day unless in rained. In the rain the Supercars would hydroplane at moderate speed on smooth pavement and at any speed on wrinkled on pot-holed pavment. I suspect your problem in the rain has a lot to do with whatever tires your running. There are many tire choices that do well in the rain on this car.

nikon
10-24-07, 12:40 PM
Now your age is really starting to show!

I said I like to spin the tires shifting to 2nd and 3rd, what does that have to do with going fast? I don't have to break the speed limit to do that?

Why do I need to admit to you what I'm doing to my car, It's My Car!

And lastly I don't need to argue with you, I'm done with this discussion and you!

Last I checked 2nd ends at 70 and if your still hard on it (spinning the tires as you say) in 3rd your doing 80+ easily before you shut it down to stop spinning and thus breaking the speed limit, reckless driving, etc...but whatever your obviously smarter than I and showing your true mental age. :cookoo:

atdeneve
10-24-07, 01:48 PM
2nd to 3rd is 65. If you're shifting at red line.

The Tony Show
10-24-07, 02:02 PM
Competitive Driving mode makes the throttle more responsive, deactivates traction control and raises the threshold for Stabilitrak intervention. There's nothing wrong with driving in comp mode as long as you know how to handle oversteer and understand you run the risk of cracking up your car.

I drive in comp mode most of the time just for the improved throttle response, but I leave everything on in the rain.

theloanman219
10-24-07, 02:11 PM
Im the same way. I will not even drink one beer while driving my car. But, I did buy it to have fun with it! I do some sprinted driving every once and a while. Hell I drive it like I stole it every once and a while. I would never put some my life or anyone elses life in danger. I love living in FL, lots of country roads!

Enjoy it and be safe at the same time.

Gene

CTSV_Rob
10-24-07, 06:22 PM
Competitive Driving mode makes the throttle more responsive, deactivates traction control and raises the threshold for Stabilitrak intervention. There's nothing wrong with driving in comp mode as long as you know how to handle oversteer and understand you run the risk of cracking up your car.

I drive in comp mode most of the time just for the improved throttle response, but I leave everything on in the rain.
Better acceleration huh? I think I will be playing with this a little more once I get my ECM back. Am I ever looking forward to runnig my car with the Stealth Tune!

I will of course run with the traction control at first but if it's nice this weekend I will take her down a country road and open her up!

All hail the Torque Gods!

rekctsv
10-24-07, 06:31 PM
Bought the car to have fun and that's what I do. Darkman, good point on the triple digits, this is why I don't push it at night.

I never turn it off, probably because it gets loose enough for me while it's on. Damn, if I didn't drive the car the way I do I would get a Honda or something that get's good gas mileage.

Not driving the V like you stole it is like drinking alcohol free beer, decaf coffee,.... Why???

BTW, Before any of you jump up on your soap box, I won't even drink one beer before getting into the drivers seat in the V and when it rains I usually garage it to keep the engine compartment clean. Anal - Hell Yes, Do I like to push the car to it's potential oh hell yes, If something breaks well that means it required an upgrade anyways.

Oh Man, this car is bad a$$ and great to drive. I like this forum because I believe there are people that share this same belief.

Life is too short, you must enjoy it while you can....

Man I love this car!
I couldn't agree more man. I really enjoy this car too!

And when I get the time to put a set of tires on my daily driver, I will make sure I don't get caught in the rain again!

roman371
10-24-07, 08:41 PM
And when I get the time to put a set of tires on my daily driver, I will make sure I don't get caught in the rain again!

What! You even burned the tires off of your daily driver? Now you are really gonna get brow-beat....:thepan:

:thumbsup:

fredcook
10-25-07, 08:55 AM
Competitive Driving mode makes the throttle more responsive, deactivates traction control and raises the threshold for Stabilitrak intervention. There's nothing wrong with driving in comp mode as long as you know how to handle oversteer and understand you run the risk of cracking up your car.

I drive in comp mode most of the time just for the improved throttle response, but I leave everything on in the rain.

Is there any advantage (more more improved throttle response) to going to the next step beyond competitive driving mode (holding the button for 5 seconds to turn everything completely off)?

NormV
10-25-07, 09:10 AM
Is there any advantage (more more improved throttle response) to going to the next step beyond competitive driving mode (holding the button for 5 seconds to turn everything completely off)?

No, unlike BMW's M, we have full power and performance without pushing buttons. GM lets the electrical systerm, PCM, elec. throttle, and brakes keep things under control.

Norm

V-Love
10-25-07, 10:34 AM
.02

I keep mine on at the track. Just run comp mode. Its great. Unless you want to drive out of shape(drifting or 360's), leave it on. During track days, mine will only come on 2-3 times. Its because I am getting sloppy. You won't drive any faster without it. Most people(99%) don't have the skills.

Kidhummer
10-25-07, 01:41 PM
I guess I've made it to much of a habit to switch to Competitve Driving mode every time I get in the car.

It had been raining on and off on my way home from work. So the roads were a little damp but not soaking wet. I make my turn off the highway onto a small secondary road. I have to slow down and yield as I make the right turn but not stop. So I'm in 2nd gear, just about completely made my turn when I give it a little gas and big mistake. The car goes almost completely sideways, I lift my foot but no brakes and try to fight it, Stabili-track kicks, then I go back hard the other way and then I'm saved!

I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was in Competitive Driving mode and the roads were damp. I also think the road surface played a part but if it wasnt for Stabili-track I would have been doing donuts.


ditto...it is real dangerous. The V has no traction in the rain whatsoever if you are in competitive mode. Becareful!

rekctsv
10-26-07, 01:03 AM
What! You even burned the tires off of your daily driver? Now you are really gonna get brow-beat....:thepan:

:thumbsup:
It's an automatic Acura Integra (wife's old car) and there's no tire burning in it, no matter how bad you wanted to!

JimmyH
10-26-07, 01:52 PM
I don't understand comp mode. At least mine won't let you hang the tail out. It let's me get maybe about ~15-20 deg sideways at the most. Other than that, I have not seen any difference between it and just turning TC off.

StealthV
10-27-07, 12:40 AM
I guess I've made it to much of a habit to switch to Competitve Driving mode every time I get in the car.

Aye, me too. Fortunately I forgot to turn off Comp Mode after stopping for a quick errand on the way home tonight.

It went down like this - Impala ahead, we're both sitting at the stoplight.

Light turns green, we both take a right.

Hammer goes down on the V as I start to pull into the left lane to pass the Imp and wow, worn F1 tires in 40 degree temps with 2nd gear Maggie torque is not good.

Car got wicked out of shape and the steering wheel was literally jerked out of my hands to the straight up position as StabiliTrak reigned in the V.

urby's life flashed before my eyes. :spurs:

rekctsv
10-27-07, 11:59 AM
Aye, me too. Fortunately I forgot to turn off Comp Mode after stopping for a quick errand on the way home tonight.

It went down like this - Impala ahead, we're both sitting at the stoplight.

Light turns green, we both take a right.

Hammer goes down on the V as I start to pull into the left lane to pass the Imp and wow, worn F1 tires in 40 degree temps with 2nd gear Maggie torque is not good.

Car got wicked out of shape and the steering wheel was literally jerked out of my hands to the straight up position as StabiliTrak reigned in the V.

urby's life flashed before my eyes. :spurs:
I bet you let the Impala go after that!

I didn't know it would jerk the steering wheel out of your hand. It has rained here all week and with the drought, I havent drove the V in the rain but a couple of times. I'm really impressed with how well the car keeps traction on wet roads. In 2nd gear, under a little throttle, traction don't break, the system works really well.

Cadillac Tony
10-27-07, 12:30 PM
It shouldn't jerk the wheel out of your hands, but if the outside front corner brake bites down as part of the Stabilitrak engagement then it will definitely feel like a jolt through the wheel.

Interesting fact: The new Stabiltrak 3.0 features active steering compensation, which will actually turn into a slide for you in addition to braking. Jury's still out on that one for me.....