Gateway has recently released it's new AIO (all-in-one) machine, cleverly named "One." It's specs actually offer worse value than Apple's iMac line. The "One" is only offered in a 19" form factor and will be offered at three price points:

The base model is a 1.5GHz Core2 Duo with 2GB of RAM and Intel integrated graphics - $1300

The mid-range model has the same specs as the base model with a slightly bigger HD & dedicated Radeon 2600 graphics for $1500.

The top-end model gets bumped to a 2GHz Core2 Duo, 3GB RAM, and a .5TB HD and comes with the same Radeon 2600 graphics for $1800.

http://images.appleinsider.com/gateway-one-070927-1.jpg

http://images.appleinsider.com/gateway-one-070927-4.jpg

When compared to the "One," Apple's iMac is not only better looking, but a better value too with it's three distinct models:

A 20", 2GHz Core2 Duo, 1GB RAM, and dedicated Radeon 2400 graphics for $1200

An upgraded 20" model with a 2.4GHz with 2GB RAM and Radeon 2600 PRO graphics for $1500

And a enormous 24" model with the same specs as the mid-range 20" and a larger HD for $1800. The 24" is also available with a BTO 2.8GHz Core2 Duo Extreme.

Plus, IMO they come in a better looking package:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/imac_narrowweb__300x442,2.jpg

I just laugh anymore when people try to argue that Mac's are just *too expensive* compared to other manufacturers. The fact remains that no other manufacturer has been able to do as well in the AIO market as Apple has. Many others have tried and failed horribly... the only one who came close to giving it a decent shot was Sony, but even they conceded that market. You would think with Gateway being recently bought out by Acer, they would want to focus more on their "bread and butter" models than trying to carve out a niche in a very Apple dominant section of the market.

Any bets on how long this thing will remain in the retail channel?

Too bad MAC's suck

I remember the Emachines Eone.... family member bought one and I set it up... around the same time as the origanal CRT iMac.

Either way I don't like these "AIO" things... kinda like buying a TV/VCR/DVD combo etc.... if one goes....

Plus I like building my own machines and the flexibility... but honestly, I haven't been following the computer buzz and with the rate things are going, I think when its time for me to upgrade my current computer in a few years, I am just going to get a nice laptop.... years ago it was fun to do the modding PC thing, now... I dunno... lost its edge to me.

Too bad MAC's suck

How very... eloquent....

But you're right, those Media Access Control addresses do suck.

I remember the Emachines Eone.... family member bought one and I set it up... around the same time as the origanal CRT iMac.

Either way I don't like these "AIO" things... kinda like buying a TV/VCR/DVD combo etc.... if one goes....

Plus I like building my own machines and the flexibility... but honestly, I haven't been following the computer buzz and with the rate things are going, I think when its time for me to upgrade my current computer in a few years, I am just going to get a nice laptop.... years ago it was fun to do the modding PC thing, now... I dunno... lost its edge to me.

You know... in the almost-twenty years I've owned my own computers, I've never had any desire to build my own system... not even once. That's not to say I haven't consistently opened them up to repair/replace components, and I've always enjoyed upgrading components (cpus/video/ram/drives/etc...) to extend the useful life of my machines, which contrary to popular belief prosumer/professional Macs have always been easy to upgrade as such.

While I love "hot-rodding" machines, I've just never seen the point of building one from scratch. It's just like automobiles... I might enjoy "hot-rodding" one, but I'm never going to build one myself.

I guess I never understood the idea that you're a true computer "aficionado" (geek) only if you build your own systems... to each his own I suppose.

We have Gateway allinones at school. Not those exact ones, but they work fine. Makes for easy IT rollouts.

Pffff. Ho Hum. Those have been around since time immemorial. Nobody much wants all-in-one machines with good reason. They fill niche markets (places like Jesda's school that value easy IT roll-outs, people too dumb to figgure out now conveiniently color coded cables, and people who buy computers because they "look cool". Even most Mac people I know who are serious computer people think the iMac is a kinda neat toy at best, and a blight upon the face of their beloved hardware manufacturer at worst. Sales of this type of machine are small in the Mac market and even smaller in the PC world.

Pffff. Ho Hum. Those have been around since time immemorial. Nobody much wants all-in-one machines with good reason. They fill niche markets (places like Jesda's school that value easy IT roll-outs, people too dumb to figgure out now conveiniently color coded cables, and people who buy computers because they "look cool". Even most Mac people I know who are serious computer people think the iMac is a kinda neat toy at best, and a blight upon the face of their beloved hardware manufacturer at worst. Sales of this type of machine are small in the Mac market and even smaller in the PC world.

Ummm.. I'd love to know what information you have that would back up your assertions. AIOs have always been good sellers for Apple - the original Macintosh was an AIO. Beyond that... at the time of it's introduction, the original iMac was the best selling computer in the world, having captured 6.4% of total unit sales and 7.2% dollar sales in Q4 '98 - that's one, single model out of worldwide, total computer sales. That original iMac was the only machine to ever remain in the top-five best sellers list for five consecutive months. Furthermore, the iMac line has remained Apple's best selling desktop since it's introduction and has flip-flopped with the iBook/MacBook as Apple's best selling model, period.

So pretty much it comes down to the fact that you don't like it and nothing more. Just don't start throwing out blanket statements that are obviously false, because MILLIONS of people would disagree with you. The fact remains that Apple is the only company who has successfully manufactured and marketed an AIO machine. The iMac line would not be going into it's tenth year of production if the truth weren't the exact opposite of what you say.

Just remember... uninformed, blanket statements can come back to bite you in the ass sometimes. :tisk:

Woops. I poked an Apple dude.
So 6.4% isn't that much when you consider how few models Apple offers compared to the rest of the coputer marketplace -they can't help but have large model-percentage numbers when you consider it that way. Figures don't lie but liars can figure. Anyway when the Macintosh came out it may have been an all-in-one but that was a different market in a different time and place. You can't compare it to today's computer world, where All-in-ones don't compete with regular computers.

The iMac may have sold well but the old "X.x MILLION people can't be wrong!" argument falls flat on its face when you actually try to USE the goddamned thing, especially in the time it was released. Yes, today, many computers have no floppy drive, but they have something that does the same job -a card reader or some sort or even a CD burner. The iMac had no such facilities and about 95% of people who bought iMacs bought external FDDs with them. Keep in mind that this was before the proliferation of USB data keys that can serve as useful data transfer solutions (though still no good if you want to leave some documents on a co-workers desk so he can have them in the morning to work on). The round mouse was and is so terrible it got a Low-End-Mac "Road Apple" award because it went agains everything Apple stood for up until that time -simple, usable computers with intuitive input.

Keep in mind I own both types of computer and learned on both -I had a PC at home and Apples of various sorts in school; and when I was in college I knew quite a few dedicated Mac people, and among these people for whom their computer was a tool of serious work and scholarly pursuit, the iMac was a joke.

I love my Mac. LOVE IT! There's nothing better for home and multimedia use.

But I use Windows for work.

I have both a PC (XP) and iMac (bought last spring) at home that I use for general use - browser use, mail, and document creation / editing. The iMac is far superior at providing a pleasant computing session with a very fast boot up time, faster java performance, and much smoother software updates. However, vaunted Apple design falls way short on the painful ergonomics of the mighty mouse and base keyboard.

What are you talking about? We're not talking 6.4% of the Mac market... we're talking one, singular model - the original Bondi 233Mhz iMac accounted for 6.4% of ALL computers sold - Mac & PC during it's into... and was the only COMPUTER, singular model - Mac & PC to remain on the top five sellers list of ALL computers for five consecutive months. I don't care how you look at it, but that is a significant number when we're comparing ONE, singular machine against ALL the other machines sold in the world, regardless of manufacturer.

Since then the iMac line has remained one of Apple's best sellers.

Yes, you did "poke" a "Mac-dude," but that's not the point. The point is I don't like when people are factually wrong... you say that the iMac is a "blemish" on the Mac family... even though it is THE computer which many consider to have brought Apple back from the "brink." It was also the machine which returned Apple to it's first quarter in the "black" after quite a few years in the "red."

The bottom line is I really don't follow your logic that the iMac is a "blemish" and has been a poor seller... when factually that is FALSE, no matter which way you cut the numbers. The iMac is a consumer machine.. so if your criterion for a "real" computer is a professional machine then yes, the iMac won't meet that. But by your criteria most Windows pcs are jokes as well. Despite it's "consumer" status, the new iMacs offer specs and performance that make it anything but a "joke."

I have both a PC (XP) and iMac (bought last spring) at home that I use for general use - browser use, mail, and document creation / editing. The iMac is far superior at providing a pleasant computing session with a very fast boot up time, faster java performance, and much smoother software updates. However, vaunted Apple design falls way short on the painful ergonomics of the mighty mouse and base keyboard.

I'll second that!!! Apple hasn't released a decent keyboard since the AppleDesign series. The puck mouse was an abomination.

I use the white apple keyboard with the clear casing. My hair and food bits keep getting stuck inside due to the design. My Kensington mouse, however, is superb.

I know what you're talking about when you say it's 6.4% of the market.
What I'm saying is that Apple offers so few models that it inflates their model to market-share figure.
Anyhow, I don't care how many people buy the iMac, it's still what it is, and in the case of the first one, that's rubbish. Pff... Just look at how many people bought VHS, Windows ME, or a host of other crappy but big-selling products. Big sales do not a quality product make.

I gotta agree with C5 RV (Edit: and Jesda!) that the newer Macs are failing in the ergonomics department; the keyboards and mice are just terrible... I don't know why this is, I just love the keyboard on my old PowerBook; (if only I could make the lil' bugger grow a TrackPoint I'd use it even more often (Trackpads hurt my fingers FYI)). Form must follow function. Thankfully USB means that if I ever own another Mac desktop I'll be able to hook a Logitech mouse and a Model M up to it. That's happy computing right there. (And you bet I'd appreciate the irony of entering data on an IBM keyboard into an Apple box that dual-boots Windows and MacOS because it has an Intel processor... but then again, long ago when Apple dropped ADB in favor or USB I predicted that in about ten years time Apples would just be another PC...)

How very... eloquent....

But you're right, those Media Access Control addresses do suck.



You know... in the almost-twenty years I've owned my own computers, I've never had any desire to build my own system... not even once. That's not to say I haven't consistently opened them up to repair/replace components, and I've always enjoyed upgrading components (cpus/video/ram/drives/etc...) to extend the useful life of my machines, which contrary to popular belief prosumer/professional Macs have always been easy to upgrade as such.

While I love "hot-rodding" machines, I've just never seen the point of building one from scratch. It's just like automobiles... I might enjoy "hot-rodding" one, but I'm never going to build one myself.

I guess I never understood the idea that you're a true computer "aficionado" (geek) only if you build your own systems... to each his own I suppose.

Never said to be a true geek you need to build your own machine.

But... I like building computers because for one, its a whole lot cheaper... see, I don't use the latest and greatest, I use things that have really come down in price.

When I built my computer, I built everything to be upgraded in the future, CPU, RAM etc... That way in a few years I can just upgrade some parts of it.

tho by now my cpu is outdated.

but when I go to up grade in the future, instead of buying a whole new machine, I'll just start with a few parts, usually mainboard & CPU combo, and some memory if its a different style.

Buy a different mouse - I did. I prefer & use a wireless laser mouse - most come with Mac-specific drivers.

i'm just saving money for a MacBook Pro **** a pc...

I'll second that!!! Apple hasn't released a decent keyboard since the AppleDesign series. The puck mouse was an abomination.

I use the white apple keyboard with the clear casing. My hair and food bits keep getting stuck inside due to the design. My Kensington mouse, however, is superb.

Bullocks.... the Design series were crap as well... way to much of a "mushy" feel. The last truly good Apple desktop keyboard was the Apple Extended Keyboard (II). Those keyboards used high-quality "Alps-switch" keys which were rated for millions and millions of keystrokes but also had a true tactile feel to them while producing the "clickedy-clock" sound when typing.

Old IBM aficionados will remember the Model M, which was another full-size, tank-built keyboard that used an alps-switch... although the IBM ones used a buckling-spring mechanism to help produce it's signature "sound."

But yeah... I still have an Apple Extended II hooked up to both my office desktops at home and at work with a ADB-USB adapter.

BTW - being a mainly laptop kinda guy... the last really good keyboard Apple put on a laptop was on the "Wallstreet" PowerBook G3 Series. After that... the rest have been *decent* at best... but otherwise downright mediocre ... The last PowerBook G3 "Pismo" or "Firewire" was okay... surprising as is the keyboard on this iBook G4 I'm typing on right now... it has a very "Pismo" feel to it.... The one on my Aluminum PowerBook G4 is "iffy" at best. And I absolutely HATE the ones on the new MacBooks... I don't know how people type on them, why on earth they would take that and turn it into a desktop keyboard I'll never know.

I know what you're talking about when you say it's 6.4% of the market.
What I'm saying is that Apple offers so few models that it inflates their model to market-share figure.
Anyhow, I don't care how many people buy the iMac, it's still what it is, and in the case of the first one, that's rubbish. Pff... Just look at how many people bought VHS, Windows ME, or a host of other crappy but big-selling products. Big sales do not a quality product make.

I gotta agree with C5 RV (Edit: and Jesda!) that the newer Macs are failing in the ergonomics department; the keyboards and mice are just terrible... I don't know why this is, I just love the keyboard on my old PowerBook; (if only I could make the lil' bugger grow a TrackPoint I'd use it even more often (Trackpads hurt my fingers FYI)). Form must follow function. Thankfully USB means that if I ever own another Mac desktop I'll be able to hook a Logitech mouse and a Model M up to it. That's happy computing right there. (And you bet I'd appreciate the irony of entering data on an IBM keyboard into an Apple box that dual-boots Windows and MacOS because it has an Intel processor... but then again, long ago when Apple dropped ADB in favor or USB I predicted that in about ten years time Apples would just be another PC...)

And you... I completely fail to follow your logic. That is an impressive number and was at that time a marketing feat. I remember all of the hype surrounding the months preceding the iMac.. and it was impressive for the fact that this was largely before the internet became as ubiquitous as it is today. The specs for the original iMac were more than adequate for the purpose it was meant to serve... and the line has been consistently upgraded all the way to what it is now.

I don't care if people view the switch to Intel as making Apple "just another pc." I say BS... it's never been about the hardware, what makes a Mac a Mac is it's operating system. Hell I could say Macs stopped being Macs when they switched from the Moto-68K processor to the PowerPC... or when they dropped PDS-expansion for NuBus... or NuBus to PCI... or PCI to PCI-E/X/express card yada yada yada. SCSI to IDE to SATA. Besides... to use USB as your example.. "Pfff.." Apple adopted USB when numerous manufacturers were still relying on PS2 and serial ports.

It all doesn't matter... technology evolves. I don't care if they've adopted industry "standard" hardware. Why? Because Nextstep was written and optimized for X86... and that's immediately shown with how well OS X responds to 2, 4, or even 8 x86 cores. It's a good thing. They're still keeping up PowerPC builds... who's to say that 7-10 years from now, if IBM or Freescale come out with a super-fast, super-efficient processor with guaranteed supplies that they won't make another switch? Thanks to the Intel switch... a machine like the once "blemishing" iMac is now a formidable machine... especially when you look at the offerings of a lot of run of the mill PC manufacturers.

If the Mac was "just another pc," the Apple has the greatest racket going on earth because there are tons of people who are willing to buy them, not because they're a "PC" but because they're a Mac... they might run on Intel hardware now... but you'll NEVER see an "Intel Inside" sticker on a Mac.

Nothin' like a bunch of nerds goin' at it...:highfive:

Apple still makes computers.?.

:word:

BTW - being a mainly laptop kinda guy... the last really good keyboard Apple put on a laptop was on the "Wallstreet" PowerBook G3 Series. After that... the rest have been *decent* at best... but otherwise downright mediocre ... The last PowerBook G3 "Pismo" or "Firewire" was okay... surprising as is the keyboard on this iBook G4 I'm typing on right now... it has a very "Pismo" feel to it.... The one on my Aluminum PowerBook G4 is "iffy" at best. And I absolutely HATE the ones on the new MacBooks... I don't know how people type on them, why on earth they would take that and turn it into a desktop keyboard I'll never know.

HA!
That's what I have! The "Wallstreet"! Great machine that, the keyboard was one of the reasons I got it. My PC is a desktop as was my Mac at the time, which meant that using the Mac was a pain when I wanted to as I had to hook it up. I traded it for the notebook and now I can use the Mac whenever I want to...

And you... I completely fail to follow your logic. That is an impressive number and was at that time a marketing feat. I remember all of the hype surrounding the months preceding the iMac.. and it was impressive for the fact that this was largely before the internet became as ubiquitous as it is today. The specs for the original iMac were more than adequate for the purpose it was meant to serve... and the line has been consistently upgraded all the way to what it is now.

I don't care if people view the switch to Intel as making Apple "just another pc." I say BS... it's never been about the hardware, what makes a Mac a Mac is it's operating system. Hell I could say Macs stopped being Macs when they switched from the Moto-68K processor to the PowerPC... or when they dropped PDS-expansion for NuBus... or NuBus to PCI... or PCI to PCI-E/X/express card yada yada yada. SCSI to IDE to SATA. Besides... to use USB as your example.. "Pfff.." Apple adopted USB when numerous manufacturers were still relying on PS2 and serial ports.

It all doesn't matter... technology evolves. I don't care if they've adopted industry "standard" hardware. Why? Because Nextstep was written and optimized for X86... and that's immediately shown with how well OS X responds to 2, 4, or even 8 x86 cores. It's a good thing. They're still keeping up PowerPC builds... who's to say that 7-10 years from now, if IBM or Freescale come out with a super-fast, super-efficient processor with guaranteed supplies that they won't make another switch? Thanks to the Intel switch... a machine like the once "blemishing" iMac is now a formidable machine... especially when you look at the offerings of a lot of run of the mill PC manufacturers.

If the Mac was "just another pc," the Apple has the greatest racket going on earth because there are tons of people who are willing to buy them, not because they're a "PC" but because they're a Mac... they might run on Intel hardware now... but you'll NEVER see an "Intel Inside" sticker on a Mac.

So what? The Intel core just makes the Mac more attractive as a machine. My attraction to Apples honestly has never been the OS; especially not OSX which I hate, the System series was much more user-friendly. The thing I love about Apples has always been the hardware. From the old ][e to the G3 with the incredible foldout tool-free case and so on, the hardware has been, with a few exceptions*, bulletproof and well-made.

Aside from that I think we can boil it down to:
"AMGoff likes iMac"
"Red Hates iMac"

*A-HEM Macintosh... They went from the Lisa with a tool-free case to the 128K Mac that had a case so hard to open that to this day any competent computer store will STILL know what you are talking about if you ask them for a "Mac Screwdriver". But even then the old Macs were still well-built if a flawed design.

Hey-- my first post here! hehe
I've always loved the pcs and the macs really.... but the mac just really has it going on right now!

I love my new 24" imac it's got the 2.4Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3gb ram, ATI,RadeonHD2600 (256mb , vram), 300 Gb harddrive... all for 2 large.
I made this movie with it...
http://www.chillertv.com/Dare_To_Direct/Video_Gallery/31711.shtml

Hey we just inherited a 97 black sts...I love it!

----apple mouse, I am not sold on----

That is an over-simplification...

AMGoff thinks the iMac has a defined purpose and serves it well.
Red is somehow incapable of seeing that.

What percentage of the general public do you think ever actually thinks about opening up their machine? For most of the John Q. Publics out there a computer is a disposable commodity - they buy a machine, use it for a few years, never do anything to it, and then buy a new one. Wasteful? Yes.. but that's the way it works.

While some may buy a Mac simply on the design of the machine, most buy it for the OS... it's the OS that makes a Mac a Mac, regardless of what hardware is running inside.

I won't argue about with you about the Classic OS... I love it. It took me a long time to get adjusted to X but I did and now I would never think of going back. As great as the Classic OS was it had pretty much reached it's limit. But truth be told... if it weren't for the dearth of decent browsers for it, I'd still probably be using OS 8-9 for most of my daily needs.

I'm not blind to the purpose of the iMac -it's there to make money for Apple and it does that very well because they still keep selling the silly things. But as a Computer -a real computer and not a toy or internet appliance- it fails miserably, the older models more so. That said don't realy care what other people think about the iMac. It will always be what it is.

Anyway I hear ya about decent browsers... I was chugging along in IE 4.5 today to put Barrack on my Powerbook so my girlfriend can play it.. she loves that game. Is there at least something better than that?

I dislike using Windows. Thats really all there is to it.

Its not a complex matter.

I'm not blind to the purpose of the iMac -it's there to make money for Apple and it does that very well because they still keep selling the silly things. But as a Computer -a real computer and not a toy or internet appliance- it fails miserably, the older models more so. That said don't realy care what other people think about the iMac. It will always be what it is.

Anyway I hear ya about decent browsers... I was chugging along in IE 4.5 today to put Barrack on my Powerbook so my girlfriend can play it.. she loves that game. Is there at least something better than that?

Well... I don't necessarily agree with you, especially when talk about the models since the G5 and up, which have been extremely competent machines...

Anyway... as far as the browser situation... something better than IE 4.5? Well... as pathetic as it is, IE5 is a marked improvement. However... when I'm lost in Classic land I mainly use iCab, it's the only somewhat modern browser that's still being (partially) updated for the Classic OS. The only problem is it can't handle every page you throw at it and we all know what happens when we upset OS 9 or prior. My two backups consist of Mozilla 1.3.1 and Netscape 7, both of which a leaps and bounds better than IE... when all else fails I do keep a copy of IE5 just in case.

I dislike using Windows. Thats really all there is to it.

Its not a complex matter.

Amen brother...

Yep, when navigating via Classic, I too most often depend on iCab...

BTW, if your favorite old adb extended II ever takes the final dump (I still use a couple also), check out the Fujitsu Happy Clacking Keyboard Pro or Lite 2.

They are compact, have wonderful touch & are beautifully made. I often carry the Pro with a laptop when there's a chance I may be tying into an external monitor. They are a bit expensive...

Hey-- my first post here! hehe
I've always loved the pcs and the macs really.... but the mac just really has it going on right now!

I love my new 24" imac it's got the 2.4Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3gb ram, ATI,RadeonHD2600 (256mb , vram), 300 Gb harddrive... all for 2 large.
I made this movie with it...
http://www.chillertv.com/Dare_To_Direct/Video_Gallery/31711.shtml

Hey we just inherited a 97 black sts...I love it!

----apple mouse, I am not sold on----

Welcome and Congrats! I must have missed your post!

A Seville owner and a Mac user... a man after my own heart! It's always good to have another on the light side... Hope you enjoy the site.. and the car... and the iMac! :yup:

BTW... the mighty mouse isn't a bad mouse... I kind of like it... plus it offers a scroll ball and right click operation (which according to some is evidently is a must for any "real" computer). The only Apple mouse that really ever bothered me was the "hockey puck," it never felt right. My favorite Mac mouse is still the rounded, final incarnation of the beige ADB mice... it had a perfect "fit" and good clicking action... it's a shame they never made an optical version of it... I've always wondered if there were some sort of hack to make one of those optical... hmmm..

But as far as the whole one button thing goes.... it never bothered me... I never understood why it was so difficult to just "ctrl-click," when you need right-click function... it does the same damn thing!

Yep, when navigating via Classic, I too most often depend on iCab...

BTW, if your favorite old adb extended II ever takes the final dump (I still use a couple also), check out the Fujitsu Happy Clacking Keyboard Pro or Lite 2.

They are compact, have wonderful touch & are beautifully made. I often carry the Pro with a laptop when there's a chance I may be tying into an external monitor. They are a bit expensive...

Luckily I don't think I'll be without one for a while... a few years back I picked up a lot of 6 Extended II's for something like $35. The Alps-switches are rated for 10-15 million keystrokes, which means that for an average/medium-duty typer, one should last 12-15 years... So barring any catastrophic circumstances, I'll probably be gone before the last keyboard bites the dust!

I have checked out the happy hacking kbs and I've heard good things about them... but they're expensive and a bit too small for my tastes, plus I like having a full keyboard, I need to have a number pad... I don't do well with the number row.

However, if I were to have to get a new keyboard I think I would probably go with the Matias Tactile Pro... it's even more expensive than the HHK, but I've read they are basically a modern interpretation of the Extendeds, same key mechanisms and built like a tank.

I have checked out the happy hacking kbs and I've heard good things about them... but they're expensive and a bit too small for my tastes, plus I like having a full keyboard, I need to have a number pad... I don't do well with the number row.

However, if I were to have to get a new keyboard I think I would probably go with the Matias Tactile Pro... it's even more expensive than the HHK, but I've read they are basically a modern interpretation of the Extendeds, same key mechanisms and built like a tank.

My wife has a new Matias Tactile Pro 2.0 - it is well built & much like the Extended in many ways. At $130 - $150, it's about double the price of the HHK Lite 2, but about a hundred less than the HHK Pro...

All in all, not a bad deal, but I prefer my HHK Pro - when I need a number pad, I go back to my old Extended... :)

I dislike using Windows. Thats really all there is to it.

Its not a complex matter.

It's all what you learn on and become comforable with, really. I learned both, so the Mac and the PC are not foreign to me. It takes me a minute to get back into the swing of things with a Mac when I go to use it just because I use a PC for everything much, but it's not a big deal (unless said Mac runs OSX, in which case I bang my head on the keyboard a lot). Some people like nuts in their chocolate. Some don't. I don't care. I just don't like the guy who's going to tell me why I really really really need nuts in my chocolate.

NUTS HAVE PROTEIN!

Welcome and Congrats! I must have missed your post!

A Seville owner and a Mac user... a man after my own heart! It's always good to have another on the light side... Hope you enjoy the site.. and the car... and the iMac! :yup:



Hey --- yeah...in typical noob fashion I mistakenly posted in the middle of the thread somehow!
Thanks for the welcome.
Just got new front discs and calipers put on today...
woohoo!