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CharlieB
09-26-07, 11:38 PM
WARNING: This is a LENGTHY post..but the education is priceless.

Let me be the first to say that I absolutely love this question and I'm faced with it on a daily basis, being as how i'm involved with the wireless industry. When you consider getting a cell phone(s) and a plan to go with it, ironing out the following aspects will put you FAR ahead of the game. Hell, learn them all, actually:



Will it be a Family Plan or an Individual Plan?

- Family Plans consist of a minimum of 2 phones. An account can typically have a maximum of 5 phones on a non-business plan. So if you plan on getting 7 phones for your Family Plan, you may need to split them into two different plans: One plan that holds 5 phones, a second plan that holds the remaining 2.

How many minutes will be used monthly?

- This is one of the, if not THE most critical questions to have answered prior to your going to the cell phone store. The best way to figure this out would be simply to average your past 3 cell phone bills, if you're a first time subscriber, then think of how often you use your house phone in general, and add 100 minutes to it, if you're an avid user. If it's a Family Plan, then make sure that you ask the members of how many they use, and add 200 minutes to that total to be safe.

What kind of phone do I really need to get?

- Selecting a phone has become abit more difficult for the typical *I need just a phone* user since the phones have evolved now into multimedia devices more than simple cellular devices. That being said, it's important that you know ahead of time what you should use, since they now may require special feature plans to be added to your account, simply because it's a *special* type of phone, such as a PDA or Blackberry device which generally require some type of Data Feature which costs you more monthly.

- Be sure to ask the sales person what phones require any additional monthly costing features and which do not prior to looking at the phones, that way you can better gauge what you're looking for, however, if you know you need a Blackberry (or the like), then be prepared to potentially pay for a data charge in addition to your normal monthly minutes plan!

- You're going to find that alot of the younger to mid-aged crowds will tend to shift toward a phone that includes things such as Music Players, Web Browsers and/or Video Cameras. In the current market, camera phones are a default option and hardly, if ever cost more than minimal price. Think of a camera phone as the default now...the same way a car comes equipped with a CD Player and Air Conditioning as standard equipment. Web Browsers are usually abit more costly, as the market doesn't create all phones equally as far as Web Browsing goes. Music Players seem to be the new *incoming default*, meaning that there are music phones out there that do not come at a heavy cost, since the current demand are for these types of phones and the cell phone manufacturers are creating enough to keep pricing very competitive.

Texing, Internet and Pictures....Oh My!

- If you're a parent looking to activate a new line of service for a text user, or upgrading an existing line to someone who would be using the Internet or a real estate agent that takes pictures of homes...or any combination thereof, it is ESSENTIAL that you pick a package that includes these options, such as Text Messaging (Text and Picture and Instant messages are generally characterized as one type of message, all included in one plan. In other words, you won't need a Texting plan and a Picture messaging plan and an Instant Messaging plan separately in most cases) and an Internet package (For when you want to download Ringtones or check the upcoming forecast, or watch Live TV).

- DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT attempt to be *economical in theory* when it comes to these packages! It WILL cost you more down the road if you get a low-end messaging package for little Timmy at $4.99 which enables him to send/receieve a total of, say, 200 messages, when in fact he's blowing well past 1,000+ messages per month. Now you're suffering overages in addition to the feature package cost. OUCH! Take plans that are REALISTIC! Many providers offer an Unlimited Text/Picture plan for what might look like a fairly expensive cost...but I will tell you now, that, say, $19.99 for unlimited Text/Pics is ALOT better than paying $50.00 for all the overages. Better yet, some providers may even have a *Family Texting* package that will feature a pool, or better yet, an unlimited number of messages for all the phones on the Family Plan!

Do I expect a Free Phone?

- It never hurts to ask. Sometimes there will be free phones available, sometimes the phones will be free after a MIR (Mail In Rebate), sometimes there won't be any free phones, but there will be phones that are priced close to it. It all depends on the market and whether or not there are any promotions. Occassionally there will be phones that are free with new activations, however, when Upgrading, it's highly unlikely that you would receieve a free phone instantly. Yeah, it's like that.

- Sometimes you can go to a *Dealer/Agent* to get a free phone. There are drawbacks to this, however. Firstly, it may not be a new phone. They can swear up and down that it is (note: There is no Cell Phone Police), when in reality it couldn't possibly be new since there are 50 numbers in there from people you've never heard of before. Corporate locations will likely have free phones after a MIR or will have phones priced very economically that are legitimately new, 100%.

Dealers/Agents or Corporate stores...what gives?

- Dealers act on their own individual behalf. Each dealer is individually owned and operated and do business according to whatever guidelines and policies their individual owner(s) abide by, usually having minor ties, if any to whatever company that dealer is representing.

- When you walk into a store, you should always ask which you're dealing with. Nowadays, dealers are starting to disguise themselves to look like the actual corporate stores. My opinion as to why this would be, may be because of the horrible reputation they've set for themselves in the past through their questionable sales processes and guarantees. The thought process is that the customer will be more comfortable dealing with Corporate, rather than a dealer, so they make themselves to look as such.

- Dealers may have phones at lesser prices...however, the *higher end* phones are generally equally as expensive, if not more. Dealers will also typically have you sign two contracts and will take your credit card information. One contract would be to the cell phone company as you would expect, the SECOND contract would be TO THAT SPECIFIC DEALER, stating that if you make any changes, add or subtract from your plan after they've established it, etc, then they will charge your credit card the difference to make up their commission loss. In addition, should you cancel, you're likely to pay THE DEALER STORE'S cancellation fee IN ADDITION to the provider (Verizon, AT&T, Nextel ETC) cancellation fee...you're looking at over $350+ PER LINE in cancellation fees! Beware if you're ever made to sign two documents, or listen to a recording, then sign something...you should only have to agree ONCE...if you agree more than once, then walk out of the store. Who wants TWO contracts for every ONE phone?

- Dealers love to give strange and sometimes bizaare return policies. ALWAYS INQUIRE WITH DEALERS what their FULL RETURN POLICY is. A HUGE MISCONCEPTION would be that dealers will honor the same return policy as advertised by whatever cellular company they're going to be using, when infact, the complete opposite usually occurs. Read their return policy CAREFULLY...most usually have a 14 day return policy, even if the company advertises a 30 day return, remember, the dealer is DOING BUSINESS AS, therefore, they do not have to honor anything besides what they wish to. Additionally, beware, make sure that you don't fall for the *14 days or 15 used cell phone minutes* return policy! Basically, your return policy is either 14 days or if you use 15 phone minutes, WHICHEVER FIRST. Yeah. Great.

- Should a dealer *wrong* you or give you equipment and then close the store down or you *void* the return policy, going to a corporoate location will likely yield no positive results as the equipment that you purchased belongs to that dealers inventory. It is incredibly likely, if not definite that the corporate location will refer you back to the dealer of which you dealt with. Worst case, you'll have to deal with the customer service department (the corporate 800 number) to get any kind of positive result, if at all.



IN CLOSING:
Should you have any questions, or feel as though I left something out, make sure to post here or E-Mail me. I will go ahead and add to it as I see questions arise. I've been in the Cell Phone Industry now for well over 4 years and I've seen just about every fathomable situation. Talking about it should be easy as pie. Let me know!
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Spock
09-26-07, 11:44 PM
Excellent insider information. I'm sure this will be invaluable for future and current cellphone users. Thanks for the information!

dkozloski
09-26-07, 11:56 PM
I have a basic cell phone with no extras. It costs me $3.53 a month and I get 1200 free minutes. I don't use it twice a month. They've done more to disrupt civilization as we used to know it more than any other device ever conceived including atom bombs.

CharlieB
09-26-07, 11:56 PM
That's what i'm here for! :)

Okay, back to the 2003-2007 CTS forum for me. I wanted to post it there, but I was afraid that they would have just deleted it instead, since it obviously has nothing to do with CTS's lol. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!

CharlieB
09-26-07, 11:59 PM
I have a basic cell phone with no extras. It costs me $3.53 a month and I get 1200 free minutes. I don't use it twice a month. They've done more to disrupt civilization as we used to know it more than any other device ever conceived including atom bombs.



........:suspect:

RunningOnEMT
09-27-07, 12:01 AM
ne'er mind

Jesda
09-27-07, 12:02 AM
I use my cell phone for data (I'm on it right now). Otherwise, I rarely answer because I keep it in my glovebox or in my desk drawer.

CTSgirlie
09-27-07, 12:16 AM
Did you know suncom can charge you for ending their no contract plan? Now thats ridiculous.

dkozloski
09-27-07, 12:34 AM
Did you know suncom can charge you for ending their no contract plan? Now thats ridiculous.
If they told me that I'd drive buy and fire the thing through the front door with a potato cannon.

CTSgirlie
09-27-07, 12:37 AM
If they told me that I'd drive buy and fire the thing through the front door with a potato cannon.

LMAO...Its sad but true.

CharlieB
09-27-07, 01:09 AM
Suncom....LOLOLOLOL

I think you can obtain Suncom service from Bob's Cell Phones and Rotten Meat shack.

dkozloski
09-27-07, 01:32 AM
It's the hillbilly phone service. It only works over into the next "holler".

CTSgirlie
09-27-07, 10:19 AM
Suncom....LOLOLOLOL

I think you can obtain Suncom service from Bob's Cell Phones and Rotten Meat shack.

Ok I live in NC..What do you expect? lol We only have 4 providers here.

thebigjimsho
09-27-07, 12:51 PM
Good stuff.

I spend most of my time in my Town Car drivin' all around making people happy. Since I have my laptop always with me, I use my Sprint Broadband Card for all my internet uses.

I have a NEXTEL phone for work as well. I have unlimited incoming calls and 600 outgoing peak minutes with no roaming or long distance charges anywhere in the US. I have a data package and text package for jobs to be texted to me and for the occasional check on incoming flights when I'm outside the car.

But since I may be building my business, I may be getting another phone to have a dedicated business line and a separate personal line. I'm trying to figure out if I can run one phone with 2 lines and what type of plan or features I want on my personal line.

Do you think I can have 2 lines on 1 phone and bill them separately for tax purposes???

AMGoff
09-27-07, 04:36 PM
How about I just go pick up a refurb iPhone? In reality I'll only be spending an extra $15 a month for unlimited data*...

Although it's doubtful... I would really love it if Apple went after the 700MHz spectrum that the FCC is auctioning off next year. There will be some huge leaps forward in the area of wireless broadband services once this band is vacated by television. It's also great that the FCC will be mandating that the spectrum be remained open... much to the whiney chagrin of companies like Verizon who feel the spectrum should be closed and be used only by their own services/devices. That will however be the ultimate reason why Apple probably won't join the bidding, being the proprietary company that they are. Nonetheless there will be some very good things to come... especially for those who currently in areas where there is no "traditional," landline broadband access available.

*and no, I don't really care if it's not 3G, I spend 80% of my time near WiFi, so it doesn't really make a lick of difference to me! Besides, once that 700mhz spectrum is opened, 3G is going to look like dial-up!

CharlieB
09-27-07, 10:37 PM
But since I may be building my business, I may be getting another phone to have a dedicated business line and a separate personal line. I'm trying to figure out if I can run one phone with 2 lines and what type of plan or features I want on my personal line.

Do you think I can have 2 lines on 1 phone and bill them separately for tax purposes???

Hey thebig :)

As far as I know, Nextel uses SIM cards, so theoretically you CAN use one phone for two lines, however, you cannot do so simulataneously...because you'd be switching SIM cards back and forth in the same phone and therefore cannot keep the phone on while you're switching.

When you say you want to bill them separately, do you mean under two names, or two completely separate bills going to the same person?

Florian
09-27-07, 10:41 PM
If they told me that I'd drive buy and fire the thing through the front door with a potato cannon.

Koz,

I think that is the best post Ive seen you make.....Im still laughing. Your disdain for cell phones is palpable! I love it.


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CharlieB
09-27-07, 10:42 PM
How about I just go pick up a refurb iPhone? In reality I'll only be spending an extra $15 a month for unlimited data*...

Although it's doubtful... I would really love it if Apple went after the 700MHz spectrum that the FCC is auctioning off next year. There will be some huge leaps forward in the area of wireless broadband services once this band is vacated by television. It's also great that the FCC will be mandating that the spectrum be remained open... much to the whiney chagrin of companies like Verizon who feel the spectrum should be closed and be used only by their own services/devices. That will however be the ultimate reason why Apple probably won't join the bidding, being the proprietary company that they are. Nonetheless there will be some very good things to come... especially for those who currently in areas where there is no "traditional," landline broadband access available.

*and no, I don't really care if it's not 3G, I spend 80% of my time near WiFi, so it doesn't really make a lick of difference to me! Besides, once that 700mhz spectrum is opened, 3G is going to look like dial-up!


Wellllll...I personally wouldn't touch a Refub iPhone with someone elses....hand LOL. I work for AT&T Mobility and I know first hand the number of returns on the iPhone, brand new. It'd be literally completely out of the question to get a refurbished one.

Apple won't be bidding for it (as far as I know) because their future isn't in Cellular technology, entirely. Although, they may do so to make 100% of the profits from their future sales, rather than share the profits with a cellular provider.

You're lucky to have that much WiFi in your area, I live in a semi-decent 3G zone (Long Island, New York) and I'd rather not pay for the WiFi from places like McDonalds or Starbucks....700Mhz or not.

CharlieB
09-27-07, 10:43 PM
Koz,

I think that is the best post Ive seen you make.....Im still laughing. Your disdain for cell phones is palpable! I love it.


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He's gotta be one of those elderly people that don't care for modern technology beyond Technicolor. :canttalk:

Florian
09-27-07, 10:48 PM
Not at all...I hate cell phones as well....


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dkozloski
09-27-07, 10:56 PM
He's gotta be one of those elderly people that don't care for modern technology beyond Technicolor. :canttalk:
I happen to like hi-tech but I like hi-tech that makes sense. The problem with cell phones is that the only calls I get are from somebody that wants something from me. Nobody ever calls to tell me they are looking to pay back a loan or want to buy me lunch. 3/4 of the calls I get are somebody looking for a donation or handout.

thebigjimsho
09-27-07, 11:45 PM
Not at all...I hate cell phones as well....


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That's OK, you're on the wrong side of 40, too...

thebigjimsho
09-27-07, 11:51 PM
Hey thebig :)

As far as I know, Nextel uses SIM cards, so theoretically you CAN use one phone for two lines, however, you cannot do so simulataneously...because you'd be switching SIM cards back and forth in the same phone and therefore cannot keep the phone on while you're switching.

When you say you want to bill them separately, do you mean under two names, or two completely separate bills going to the same person?A few years ago, my boss allowed me to get my own NEXTEL. As a cheuffeur, I needed to be accessible whenever I was on the road. Instead of carrying the big brick NEXTEL radios we had, I got my personal NEXTEL account so I only needed to carry my own phone instead of 2. But that was when I was an employee.

Personally, I'd rather have just 1 phone like I've been doing the last few years. But now I own my own Town Car and I subcontract. And I may be building my business. If I do, I need to keep a separate business line and personal line. So I've just got to figure out the type of plan I'd need for each and the type of phone that would work best for each app.

AMGoff
09-27-07, 11:55 PM
Wellllll...I personally wouldn't touch a Refub iPhone with someone elses....hand LOL. I work for AT&T Mobility and I know first hand the number of returns on the iPhone, brand new. It'd be literally completely out of the question to get a refurbished one.

Apple won't be bidding for it (as far as I know) because their future isn't in Cellular technology, entirely. Although, they may do so to make 100% of the profits from their future sales, rather than share the profits with a cellular provider.

You're lucky to have that much WiFi in your area, I live in a semi-decent 3G zone (Long Island, New York) and I'd rather not pay for the WiFi from places like McDonalds or Starbucks....700Mhz or not.

I'd have to assume that Apple treats their refurb iPhones like all of their other refurbished devices, ie - they are thoroughly checked and then resold with the same warranty as their new equipment. If I can save 50 bucks on handset buying a refurb from Apple then I don't see the downside of it.

While I think it's doubtful that they will place a bid on the 700MHz spectrum, I still think it would be a fantastic idea... although the sheer logistics of it are well beyond what Apple is capable of. Apple and AT&T are "frenemies" at best. Apple needed a carrier that would agree to their terms and Cingul..err.. AT&T (I still hate that!) really needed a hot device. But, believe me... if Apple could free themselves of a separate network provider, they would do so in a heartbeat. El Jobso hates having another company involved in such an integral way when it comes to the user-experience of one of his products.

I think they could at least break even on the venture. Seeing as how they (or anyone who ends up winning the band) will be required to open it up to other companies/devices, they could lease blocks of bandwidth to other companies for a bulk of their profit. Then they would be in the unique position of not only being able to provide their own, never-seen-before service for their mobile handsets... but they would also be able to develop their dotmac service into a nationwide, wireless-broadband service. Just imagine how many computers they would sell if they included high-speed, wireless internet access - where ever, when ever for the first 3-6 months free... then charging a competitive rate thereafter. MacBooks (Pros) would fly off the shelves... just imagine how great that would be for all those who live in rural areas where there is no cable or dsl access... TV signals are pretty much everywhere!

Whatever happens I just hope none of the telecom companies get their hands on it.

BTW I don't really have to pay any extra for my WiFi... I have it at home and at work, it is also available for free at the local coffee shop, diner, library, and a few extra spots. Our town is only 1 sq. mile in area, we have been working for a while to get a town-wide wireless network up and running to offer it residents for either a nominal fee or for free to those households who can't afford internet access. I feel that everyone should be able to have access to broadband access regardless of their financial situation. Never before in the history of mankind has such a wealth of information been available at the very tips of our fingers... it's something everyone can and should benefit from. Although it's an ambitious goal and we're still far from reaching it, it's a project I hold near and dear.

dkozloski
09-28-07, 12:01 AM
I'd have to assume that Apple treats their refurb iPhones like all of their other refurbished devices, ie - they are thoroughly checked and then resold with the same warranty as their new equipment. If I can save 50 bucks on handset buying a refurb from Apple then I don't see the downside of it.

While I think it's doubtful that they will place a bid on the 700MHz spectrum, I still think it would be a fantastic idea... although the sheer logistics of it are well beyond what Apple is capable of. Apple and AT&T are "frenemies" at best. Apple needed a carrier that would agree to their terms and Cingul..err.. AT&T (I still hate that!) really needed a hot device. But, believe me... if Apple could free themselves of a separate network provider, they would do so in a heartbeat. El Jobso hates having another company involved in such an integral way when it comes to the user-experience of one of his products.

I think they could at least break even on the venture. Seeing as how they (or anyone who ends up winning the band) will be required to open it up to other companies/devices, they could lease blocks of bandwidth to other companies for a bulk of their profit. Then they would be in the unique position of not only being able to provide their own, never-seen-before service for their mobile handsets... but they would also be able to develop their dotmac service into a nationwide, wireless-broadband service. Just imagine how many computers they would sell if they included high-speed, wireless internet access - where ever, when ever for the first 3-6 months free... then charging a competitive rate thereafter. MacBooks (Pros) would fly off the shelves... just imagine how great that would be for all those who live in rural areas where there is no cable or dsl access... TV signals are pretty much everywhere!

Whatever happens I just hope none of the telecom companies get their hands on it.

BTW I don't really have to pay any extra for my WiFi... I have it at home and at work, it is also available for free at the local coffee shop, diner, library, and a few extra spots. Our town is only 1 sq. mile in area, we have been working for a while to get a town-wide wireless network up and running to offer it residents for either a nominal fee or for free to those households who can't afford internet access. I feel that everyone should be able to have access to broadband access regardless of their financial situation. Never before in the history of mankind has such a wealth of information been available at the very tips of our fingers... it's something everyone can and should benefit from. Although it's an ambitious goal and we're still far from reaching it, it's a project I hold near and dear.
In our town there is free Wi-Fi in Veterans Park where the drunks and bums hang out.

AMGoff
09-28-07, 12:08 AM
In our town there is free Wi-Fi in Veterans Park where the drunks and bums hang out.

Haha... do they call it "Wino-WiFi?" :alchi:

z06bigbird
10-11-07, 10:37 PM
Thanks for info. I will put it to use.

xshrpshtr
10-12-07, 01:15 AM
Hey Koz...You're gonna love what I've got in store for Alltel this next week. They f@cked me. No problem. Wrong @sshole to screw. Lets just say that some lucky persons at the local homeless mission just got part time work. Peak hours of course at 2 hour stints. Easy work. Stand there with signs annoying anyone who enters said business. When they call me and bitch. I will have 4 the next day instead of two. My phone rang off the hook after posting the help wanted add. I'm going to have so much fun... I have contacted my old paintball buddies and I'm organising for the Sprint assault. They REALLY screwed me. I feel its time for me to give back to those who have F'ed with me. The Sprint strike shall be in at least 7 states and many more stores than that...all at one time. Hey Sprint...if you're watching...you never know when or where...Hey don't they sponsor a few things around the country? Be a shame to ruin one of your live TV broadcasts...but hey don't worry. If you haven't screwed anyone then you have nothing to worry about...