: Do Magnetic Ride Shock units wear out or go bad?



Lifer
09-23-07, 09:39 PM
I have a 2006 STS 1SG with Magnetic Ride (Delphi MagneRide suspension control system) shocks. In my following of the forum I have not seen the answer to my question, which is, do the Magnetic Ride Shocks wear out or go bad? If they do go bad, is there a reason or timeline? If they need replacing off warranty, any idea of the cost of each? Do they have to be done in pairs like regular struts or shocks?

Thank you for your answers in advance. :bouncy:

dkozloski
09-23-07, 10:46 PM
They do go bad. They are very expensive to replace. They wear out just like anything else. How long they last depends on how badly you abuse them. I've seen $1300-$1600 quoted per pair. I'd expect to replace them in pairs.

Force-1
09-23-07, 11:08 PM
I have the F55 suspension in my C6 Corvette, which is basically magnetic ride control. This has been discussed in-depth on the Corvette forums, and everything I have read says the system is extremely reliable and not prone to fail or have problems. It is expensive to replace should it fail--about $1500.

Curious George
09-24-07, 02:01 PM
I have the F55 suspension in my C6 Corvette, which is basically magnetic ride control.... It is expensive to replace should it fail--about $1500.

Does it FAIL (covered by warranty) or WEAR OUT (not covered).

shudog
09-24-07, 05:43 PM
I am not an STS owner, but joined the forum to research and was wondering this exact question... holy crap that's expensive.

Force-1
09-24-07, 08:48 PM
Does it FAIL (covered by warranty) or WEAR OUT (not covered).

I've only read about a few Corvette failures, and they were out of warranty. So far no C6 failures, only a few C5. The C6 F55 MSRC shocks are engineered for "the life of the car" so it could still be a while before we start seeing end of life failures on them. Cost for 2 pairs of shocks is about $2k! :cookoo:

The system is so good that Ferrari pays GM so they can use the technology in their cars.

Here are some photos from the Corvette. Note sending sensor on top of shock, and feedback sensor attached to upper A arm.

http://www.ctechradio.com/2003/mag-shock1.JPG
http://www.ctechradio.com/2003/mag-shock3.JPG

z06bigbird
09-24-07, 11:41 PM
I am not an STS owner, but joined the forum to research and was wondering this exact question... holy crap that's expensive.

Lincoln Mark VIII = 4 shocks X $900 each plus labor. Computer extra.

That is why you regularly see Lincolns with rear dragging on ground. New buyers cannot afford repairs.

dkozloski
09-25-07, 12:32 AM
The major reason GM bought Lotus was to get Colin Chapman's suspension stuff like this.

shudog
09-26-07, 08:45 AM
Lincoln Mark VIII = 4 shocks X $900 each plus labor. Computer extra.

That is why you regularly see Lincolns with rear dragging on ground. New buyers cannot afford repairs.

No kidding!!! I always just assumed that was the "style" here in Detroit...

Jesda
09-26-07, 09:16 AM
$2k is DIRT cheap compared to the complex and expensive repairs on some German and Japanese cars with fully active suspension systems. Magneride is a fantastic bang for the buck, even when it breaks.

Lifer
09-26-07, 10:58 AM
No kidding!!! I always just assumed that was the "style" here in Detroit...

The chuck holes in the Detroit area roads destroyed my air schocks in my'91 Continental. They had been fully replaced under warranty (at 49,500 miles - the dealer's shop wanted the repair money from Lincoln). I put 25K in the Detroit area when working there and the shocks were fully wrecked by the Detroit-manufactured pot holes. My bottom was dragging. I traded for the first 1997 Buick Park Avenue in Houston - a much superior ride - and Houston had no chuck holes. Same for Dallas. No chuck holes. :nono:

dkozloski
09-26-07, 01:12 PM
I made a couple of work related trips to Ann Arbor, Michigan and I couldn't believe how bad the roads were in the rust belt. Some of the most heavily traveled freeways and expressways had concrete paving that had been scabbed over with asphalt that had broken up and left an unreal collection of potholes. These would go on for miles and miles. I took the time to find alternate routes on less traveled/less damaged roads and found I made a lot better time. Whoever was in charge of road repair should have been hung by his gentitalia and sand packed in his @ss until the rope broke.

shudog
09-26-07, 02:34 PM
Michigan has the worst roads ever, period. The state is about to go broke, literally. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070926/POLITICS/709260399&theme=Metro-State-Budget

dkozloski
09-26-07, 05:54 PM
Michigan has the worst roads ever, period. The state is about to go broke, literally. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070926/POLITICS/709260399&theme=Metro-State-Budget
Alaska has a $40 Billion savings account and returns the earnings to the residents of the state. This year the checks to every man, woman, and child will be $1654. It goes to show what government can do for you if you know how. When Michigan was riding the gravey train they could have invested the money rather than pissing it away on welfare to people that won't work.

ahuyghe
06-30-10, 12:56 PM
I have a 2006 STS 1SG with Magnetic Ride (Delphi MagneRide suspension control system) shocks. In my following of the forum I have not seen the answer to my question, which is, do the Magnetic Ride Shocks wear out or go bad? If they do go bad, is there a reason or timeline? If they need replacing off warranty, any idea of the cost of each? Do they have to be done in pairs like regular struts or shocks?

Thank you for your answers in advance. :bouncy:

I certainly can answer that.
They can and will fail.
2007 Cadillac STS4, 59000 kms. discovered Failure 2010/06/28
Both front shocks leaking.
Replaced under warranty.

Al
$980.00 ea plus labour to R+R

jimmbo
07-01-10, 02:14 PM
Alaska has a $40 Billion savings account and returns the earnings to the residents of the state. This year the checks to every man, woman, and child will be $1654. It goes to show what government can do for you if you know how. When Michigan was riding the gravey train they could have invested the money rather than pissing it away on welfare to people that won't work.

Yeah they did give a piss pot of money away, to Corporations and their CEOs at the same time they were cutting taxes to the same group. Makes it rough for the workers that can't work cause there are no jobs to find and Social welfare had been cut to the bone in order to have money for Corporate welfare.

CaddyLackerz
07-01-10, 08:11 PM
Yeah they did give a piss pot of money away, to Corporations and their CEOs at the same time they were cutting taxes to the same group. Makes it rough for the workers that can't work cause there are no jobs to find and Social welfare had been cut to the bone in order to have money for Corporate welfare.

Wow Jimmbo, I can't believe you are complaining IN A PUBLIC FORUM when we have ALL THE KOOLAID WE CAN DRINK! SSSSSHH!! Let the Dear Leader take care of these UN-AMERICAN comments lest we expose ourselves for the Communists we are. VERY SOON, they vill understand the FOLLY of their simplistic CAPITALISM! Vee must endure the job shortage until the greater good is DONE! There vill be bread and water for EVERYONE!!!

jimmbo
07-01-10, 08:32 PM
Wow Jimmbo, I can't believe you are complaining IN A PUBLIC FORUM when we have ALL THE KOOLAID WE CAN DRINK! SSSSSHH!! Let the Dear Leader take care of these UN-AMERICAN comments lest we expose ourselves for the Communists we are. VERY SOON, they vill understand the FOLLY of their simplistic CAPITALISM! Vee must endure the job shortage until the greater good is DONE! There vill be bread and water for EVERYONE!!!

Take out the word Communists and insert the word 'Fascists' then your statement will be accurate.

turnne
07-02-10, 08:42 AM
$2k is DIRT cheap compared to the complex and expensive repairs on some German and Japanese cars with fully active suspension systems. Magneride is a fantastic bang for the buck, even when it breaks.

Actually its about the same cost to repair on the Germans
Mercedes Benz airmatic is about the same repair costs

However....what you might consider using the Lincoln Mark 8 mentioned here as an example

In a car that is worth lets say $4000 the average person cannot or will not invest $4000 into fixing the suspension

Case in point..how many Lincoln do you see that are "low -riders"..or how many Cadillacs from say the late 90 to early 2000 with the suspension warning lights on along with the check engine light

If the Benz airmatic goes out it gives the same "low rider" scene as the Lincoln...but when the car is worth 20-30K it probably has a better chance of being repaired

Warren

next2pool
07-08-10, 02:44 AM
I certainly can answer that.
They can and will fail.
2007 Cadillac STS4, 59000 kms. discovered Failure 2010/06/28
Both front shocks leaking.
Replaced under warranty.

Al
$980.00 ea plus labour to R+R

Although it's an interesting and advanced system on paper, steer clear of it on a used car unless you have a totally unlimited warranty that truly covers it. It's always interesting to watch what GM employess will buy as their own personal cars and magnaride is never one of them. Since the 3.6 DI came out, N* is another one to stay away from.

turnne
07-08-10, 06:45 PM
LOL..that's interesting

I have always thought Magride was one of those deals that sounded great on paper but never really seemed to add a whole lot in practice

Trouble is that its bundled in such a s way that you cannot get a fully optioned car without it

before I had the 05 ..I owned an 02 with Magride..and before that an 01 Aurora 4.0

I will tell you other than some body roll control the 02 with Magride wasn't a whole letter better handling than the Aurora with some generic Monroe replacement strut and shock replacements....especially whn you conder the replacement Monroe's cost about $1000( parts and labor) and the same job on the STS would have been $4000

Was the STS better..yes....but maybe to the tune of a $1500 total price...not $4000
I traded the 02 before i thought it was time to do any suspension work...I was not going to pay $4000 for suspension work on a $4000 car


Warren

jm2121
07-09-10, 02:13 AM
I was gonna come on here to ask this question yesterday. I'm currently driving a rental 2010 Buick Lacrosse and I realize its brand new and all but how much smoother should it be than my 05 STS? I realized when going over the same bumps I always go over coming home from work (which are pretty bad) and barely feeling them in the Lacrosse. In my STS I actually slow almost to a stop over these spots because it feels like I'm gonna kill the rims. And I have the stock 17's on it nothing crazy.

EChas3
07-09-10, 07:59 PM
I don't think you'd damage the 17" wheels unless you've fitted very low-profile tires (30-series or less). As far as ride, you're comparing GM's attempts to target the markets of BMW & Lexus (or thereabouts). That's more of a contrast than a comparison.

caddooo44
04-13-13, 12:52 AM
I have a 2006 sts with magnetic ride suspension. I just replaced the 2 front shocks and the upper control arms ( only because the upper shock mounts are attached to the upper control arms ). I did all the work myself and it wasnt very hard. Everything just unbolted fine. The only thing that was an issue was switching the spings from the old shocks to the new ones. I brought it to a local mechanic shop and they only charged me 90 bucks to switch the springs. I bought the oem replacment shocks from rockauto .com. they were $ 350 each which isnt bad. I hope this helps.

sjs05sts
04-13-13, 01:17 AM
When I had my 05 STS in for a oil change the mechanical notice one off my front shocks leaking of course I had to replace both you know how that goes anyways it was around $1500 to replace both..