: Just found a 91 FWB 5.7 w/57,000 miles.



Wheelman322
09-06-07, 07:23 PM
:bouncy:Going to pick up a 91 FWB w/57,000 miles. Will post picks later.

My_favorite_Brougham
09-06-07, 07:41 PM
Congratulations. You have the best Cadillac with the best engine. That's what I'm saving for.

mharker
09-06-07, 10:22 PM
Be sure to give us the details!

96Fleetwood
09-06-07, 10:55 PM
Lucky Man!

Wheelman322
09-07-07, 12:22 AM
I paid the guy tonight...Original owner. I gave him his 5 Grand asking price...Didn't even try to negotiate. Let me know what you think?


This was the ad.....
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/2.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/1.jpg
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1991 CADILLAC BROUGHAM 57000 MILES
NAVY BLUE INSIDE AND OUT WITH LEATHER ROOF
5.7 LITER V-8 LOTS OF POWER
AUTOMATIC TRANS. AUTO CLIMMATE CONTROL
RECENTLY INSPECTED
WIRE WHEELS
ORIGINAL OWNER - ALWAYS GARAGED
CAR IS IN GREAT CONDITION AND RUNS PERFECT

Highway Star
09-07-07, 12:31 AM
Just wheelin' and dealin' aintcha! Nice find.

Wheelman322
09-07-07, 12:43 AM
Just wheelin' and dealin' aintcha! Nice find.

My day doesn't start or end if I don't check ebay and craigslist 50 times. I buy and sell alot of differant cars but the sometimes I find a nice Caddy like this and usually keep it. This is my fleet right now....
07 Infiniti M45 Sport
06 Tacoma SR5 V6
04 Sentra Spec V(Wifes)
99 Accord (New buyer will pick up on Saturday)
91 FWB
80 FWB Coupe
78 FWB

96Fleetwood
09-07-07, 08:37 AM
Looks like a great deal! Does it have the astroroof or factory cd player?

We sound alike! Even though I have a 80 hour/week transitional year residency right now, I still find the time to scour eBay and Craigslist for good deals. The extra cash from these sales helps feed my car addiction and make my '96 Fleetwood better and better!

My Father keeps saying he will keep whatever nice antique Cadillac he buys.. I have yet to see that happen. So far he has kept his 1962 for 3 years, I think that is his record.

mharker
09-07-07, 11:16 AM
Great deal. Mark my words you'll sell it for more someday.

Wheelman322
09-07-07, 11:51 AM
Looks like a great deal! Does it have the astroroof or factory cd player?

We sound alike! Even though I have a 80 hour/week transitional year residency right now, I still find the time to scour eBay and Craigslist for good deals. The extra cash from these sales helps feed my car addiction and make my '96 Fleetwood better and better!

My Father keeps saying he will keep whatever nice antique Cadillac he buys.. I have yet to see that happen. So far he has kept his 1962 for 3 years, I think that is his record.

No astroroof or CD, pretty much a low option car outside of the 350 and wire wheels. The only reason I grabbed it so quick was it's condition and my infatuation with diplomat blue Broughams. This car is the twin of the one I used to drool over on Smith Cadillacs showroom floor (I was 11 at the time) on my way home from school.

I've been doing this for so long that nobody even asks when I come home with a differant car anymore. I've also made the claim "I'm gonna keep this one". So far the only car I've kept longer than 12 months is my 78 FWB. I've had it since 10/02.

My_favorite_Brougham
09-07-07, 12:47 PM
Wait a minute... I just remembered hearing from "Ultra Slow's" website (the one with the '80 FWB w/ the 500) that 5.7L Broughams could not be ordered with wire wheels because they could not stand up to the torque and would buckle. Yikes! But I also read that the dealer over-rode that dilemma with some special-order wires. Are those original?? Because if someone just switched them out, you might be in for a real nasty surprise one day.

Here are his words, about his Brougham: (from his website (http://www.mcsmk8.com/92-CAD/92CAD.html))
"The other item this car has is the RARE Cadillac Wire Wheels. I say these are rare as they are 15x7" wheels, not the little 15x6 that you see on the Cadillac's that have real wire wheels. Since the 5.7 had some guts and was designed to carry a load, you could not get the real wire wheels on these cars. You could on the 5.0, but not the 5.7 unless the dealer put them on. The reason being as you would twist them into a mess as they are not strong and really are little in width and strength. These wheels are however different. The previous collector ordered these from Appliance, who made the GM wheels wire wheels for the Cadillac Fleetwood/Brougham. These were built to proper looks spec in 7" width and the ability to handle the torque and towing capacity of this car. Spokes are a bit bigger if you know these cars. Not like it will ever need it but its there and wheels make the looks of a car. Either way this was a correct and painstaking upgrade in the 3K+ range on top of the car. The rare and now impossible to find gold stripe Royal Seal tires are back on them."


Though you might like to know,

Greg

Wheelman322
09-07-07, 08:00 PM
Wait a minute... I just remembered hearing from "Ultra Slow's" website (the one with the '80 FWB w/ the 500) that 5.7L Broughams could not be ordered with wire wheels because they could not stand up to the torque and would buckle. Yikes! But I also read that the dealer over-rode that dilemma with some special-order wires. Are those original?? Because if someone just switched them out, you might be in for a real nasty surprise one day.
Greg

Wow...I never heard that before. The wheels are defineatly original but were probably installed by the dealer as this guy is not the type that would install wheels himself (70-something y/o man). I've seen the appliance wheels before but don't really like the look. I'll probably just tempt fate like I ussually do...After all, if my 425 hasn't snapped them yet my odds should be o.k.

mharker
09-07-07, 10:00 PM
So far the only car I've kept longer than 12 months is my 78 FWB. I've had it since 10/02.

PM me whenever you get bored and feel like selling the 91. I've been thinking about your car all day!

Oh and I wouldn't worry about those wire wheels. If nothing happened in 16 years you're prolly safe.

z06bigbird
09-09-07, 04:06 PM
Neat cars.

Night Wolf
09-09-07, 04:40 PM
about the wire wheels....

keep in mind that braking puts just as much force on the wheel as accelerating.

So until your car accelerates faster then it can stop, there isn't even anything to worry about :)

My '89 came with wire wheels from the dealer, but they were aftermarket.... but.... made by Appliance, I still have them... I wonder if they are the "upgraded" ones? they had a kinda cheesy plastic center cap with Cadillac wreath and crest type stick on label tho... other then that they are nice.

Robert 96
09-12-07, 08:09 AM
Looks like a nice one. 5 Grand ain't bad for a solid Brougham. Good Deal and I know 96 Fleetwood would agree.

Wheelman322
09-13-07, 03:08 PM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/91Brougham2007-9-12.jpg

Took this picture last night before I washed it.

mharker
09-13-07, 03:12 PM
I still keep dreaming about your car. Man did you score.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-13-07, 03:29 PM
Nothing like a clean, low mileage dark blue 90-92 Brougham! :cloud9:

Benzilla
09-13-07, 03:34 PM
Are you 100% sure that's Diplomat blue? It looks darker than mine, and mine isn't faded...

96Fleetwood
09-13-07, 04:20 PM
I think they had different shades? Because my Dad's 1992 in Diplomat Blue is that dark:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/sixtyspecial/92brougham1.jpg

AMGoff
09-14-07, 02:38 PM
Hmmm... I thought I remembered seeing that car listed somewhere. I too check autotrader and craigslist around once a week... it's cathartic for me.

I found the ad for it, see here. (http://newjersey.craigslist.org/car/413067352.html)

Go back and get your $500, he only had it listed for $4500.

Wheelman322
09-14-07, 04:31 PM
That's the ad I found...The car needed an A/C compressor and some other minor things. He agreed to get the work done and we split the cost. Believe me...I wouldn't get taken for a dollar.

HotPursuit
09-14-07, 04:32 PM
Thats a nice clean looking FWB Wheelman :cool:

Wheelman322
09-14-07, 04:41 PM
Thats a nice clean looking FWB Wheelman :cool:


Thanks...I returned your PM. I'm gonna detail it this weekend...Can't wait to see how it comes out.

AMGoff
09-14-07, 05:30 PM
Good.. just making sure you were aware!

Otherwise Congrats on the fine Cadillac!

HotPursuit
09-15-07, 06:52 AM
Got your response. Make sure you share some photos when you are done detailing.

z06bigbird
09-16-07, 09:04 PM
Nice. Last winter (or so) Cavender Cadillac in San Antonio had a 90 or 91 FWB, black with gray interior. 6,700 miles, as I recall. They put vogues on it, and eventually sold it for $10,000.

Too much money; just an old car. Buyer will never get his money out of it.

But that is his problem.

96Fleetwood
09-16-07, 09:10 PM
Too much money; just an old car. Buyer will never get his money out of it.

But that is his problem.
And how much have you lost on that purty CTS Sir? :osnap:

Wheelman322
09-16-07, 09:44 PM
Nice. Last winter (or so) Cavender Cadillac in San Antonio had a 90 or 91 FWB, black with gray interior. 6,700 miles, as I recall. They put vogues on it, and eventually sold it for $10,000.

Too much money; just an old car. Buyer will never get his money out of it.

But that is his problem.

See.....That's where real Cadillac enthusiasts would disagree with you. As both a new and old car owner I can appreciate that these beasts are not investments...just toys to entertain ourselves with. For instance...I bought an 00 Mercedes S430 at the beginning of 2001 for $49,000 (a real steal if you know the car). I put 8,000 miles on it and still lost $6,000 when I sold it. Since than I have bought lots of other new and used high end vehicles and usually lose a few bucks in the process. In contrast....I buy an old Cadillac for $5000, drive it for a year or so and sell it for the same or more than I pay for it....how could I complain? If that $10,000 Brougham buyer keeps the car up and does not make it his daily driver he will get his money back...no question. Just watch the 90-92 Broughams on ebay.

My_favorite_Brougham
09-17-07, 01:34 PM
Hey, why are you suddenly selling??? Glad you kept the wires, though:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-Brougham-350-V-8-Low-Miles_W0QQitemZ120162730894QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6152 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

lol...

Either that or it's just a coincidence that another Diplomat Blue 1991, 350, 57K would come up for sale just when you were thinking of letting one go.

Benzilla
09-17-07, 03:25 PM
Different one, check the location. I think it's funny that the steering wheel on my 121,000 mi Brougham is in much better condition than on the 57k car. Why do people twist them like that? Nervous habit?

My_favorite_Brougham
09-17-07, 04:10 PM
Different one, check the location. I think it's funny that the steering wheel on my 121,000 mi Brougham is in much better condition than on the 57k car. Why do people twist them like that? Nervous habit?

Before i sold mine, the steering wheel was a discolored pulp. It was dead-body-skin-gray, and became squooshy during high humidity, so it wasn't uncommon for my fingerprints to get permanently imbedded or for chunks of leather to come off with your hand.

That's why I like the hard plastic steering wheel. They're elegantly thin, and are different from today's wheels that ALL have some type of material around them, plus being annoyingly think and spongy. Only problem is, you can't find one that isn't cracked to pieces.

Wheelman322
09-17-07, 11:42 PM
Hey, why are you suddenly selling??? Glad you kept the wires, though:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-Brougham-350-V-8-Low-Miles_W0QQitemZ120162730894QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6152 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

lol...

Either that or it's just a coincidence that another Diplomat Blue 1991, 350, 57K would come up for sale just when you were thinking of letting one go.

Defineatly a coincidence....I'm getting rid of something, but most likely not the 91. I saw this one yesterday and was gonna post it b/c a bunch of forum members have been sending me offers on mine.


Different one, check the location. I think it's funny that the steering wheel on my 121,000 mi Brougham is in much better condition than on the 57k car. Why do people twist them like that? Nervous habit?

Thanks for fielding that one for me Ben....I don't get why these wheels are usually warped either...I'm lucky b/c mine is perfect and will stay that way. I've adapted and drive these cars by the center hub with one finger to preserve the steering wheels.

My_favorite_Brougham
09-18-07, 12:36 AM
I just rest my hands on the "boomerang." Seems to be a natural fit, as if they made them that way. Also makes it easy to honk by just squeezing your palms.

Wheelman322
09-18-07, 12:56 AM
I just rest my hands on the "boomerang." Seems to be a natural fit, as if they made them that way. Also makes it easy to honk by just squeezing your palms.

Yeah I do that too. I'm just really anal and worry that my sweaty hands are going to fade the horn pads.

Wheelman322
09-26-07, 04:33 PM
Post Detail Pics....
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/get-attachment.aspx22.jpg
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Benzilla
09-26-07, 04:45 PM
Wow. That really cleaned up well! And seeing the front shot with the heritage of ownership medallion.. it really looks a lot like mine.

96Fleetwood
09-26-07, 04:50 PM
Lookin' good!!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-26-07, 05:09 PM
Wow, just wow. :drool:

93DevilleUSMC
09-26-07, 05:58 PM
Like Chad says, wow.

CaddymanTom
09-26-07, 06:13 PM
Excellent choice of color and options. I too love the Diplomat blue Broughams with the wires. Nice nice car

My_favorite_Brougham
09-26-07, 06:29 PM
Those cars looked good before they even hit the market. Check this advertisement picture out. Diplomat blue is also my favorite. I'll have to get me one someday. Still, though, I think white stands out as a Caddy the best.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1991/Cadillac/10553/1991.cadillac.brougham.1633-E.jpg

Wheelman322
09-26-07, 09:40 PM
Much thanks for the compliments people....I took the pics in my driveway with my camera phone....Maybe this weekend i'll take some pics with some background scenery and a better camera. The only thing i'm doing besides basic maintenance is throwing on some rainguards and tinting the windows. I usually tint my cars the first day I bring them home but I wanted to get it cleaned up good first.

Wheelman322
09-29-07, 03:54 AM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/90BroughamStockShot.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/91Brougham2007-9-265.jpg

Go figure....Almost 17 years later.

96Fleetwood
09-29-07, 09:40 AM
Nice! Nice driveway too!

Wheelman322
09-29-07, 01:25 PM
Nice! Nice driveway too!

Thanks...The driveway's a bit short for my fleet though. I'm actually looking for a house with a long driveway and a detached 2 car garage.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-29-07, 03:04 PM
A cobblestone driveway is so fitting for a Brougham!

Wheelman322
10-24-07, 05:35 PM
I haven't been playing with the Caddys much lately b/c i've been bust at work but the other night I was washing the 91 and decided to go through the paperwork in the glovebox. Inside was the owners manual, every reciept for every service and oil change, the set of gold keys in the gold key wallet, the owners medallion heritage emblem box, the royal seal pamphlet, the window sticker and the reciept of purchase. Needless to say i'm thrilled....
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/untitled.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/wheelman322/untitled2.jpg
BTW...credit to Ben b/c the car is not Diplomat Blue it's Black Saphire Metallic.

My_favorite_Brougham
10-24-07, 06:36 PM
That car's black?! How can we mistake black for blue? Maybe it's not all the way black, more like a dark navy, like the midnight sky. That's probably what 96Fleetwood's dad's car was. Because I know that diplomat blue is lighter, like the ad photo. What color is the interior? Does it match the exterior, being blue or black? Is the top black, too.

Here's one ebay, the seller calls a 1992 Cadillac Brougham Black Sapphire (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-Cadillac-Brougham-Black-Sapphire_W0QQitemZ160171461390QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6 152QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

http://i21.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/be/76/9ddb_12.JPG

http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/be/76/b82d_12.JPG

Is yours like that? Because if it is, you don't find to many triple black Broughams in as great a condition as the others.

caddycruiser
10-24-07, 07:24 PM
No, his car is clearly blue, which is what "sapphire" is. Cadillac, however, because the shade is quite dark, named it "Black Sapphire"...a.k.a. really dark blue.

The other one on Ebay, claiming to be Black Sapphire is really just Black.

Wheelman322
10-25-07, 12:03 AM
No, his car is clearly blue, which is what "sapphire" is. Cadillac, however, because the shade is quite dark, named it "Black Sapphire"...a.k.a. really dark blue.

The other one on Ebay, claiming to be Black Sapphire is really just Black.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I saw the one on ebay the same day I found my window sticker and than double guessed if my car had been repainted. To my relief I reffered to the color chart on the sticky post.