: So I went and did it....



I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 07:01 PM
Well today I had my day off of work, and decided it was time to pull the trigger on this Mercedes deal...........and drive a few six cylinder S Classes!

There are two in my area, a black/black '98 S320 SWB. 76,000 miles, new tires, new brakes, etc etc. This one was in pretty decent shape, but had a few little issues....like the glovebox wouldn't open, and the rear driver's side in door ashtray wouldn't open. Other than that, it was ok...one small indentation on the passenger side C-pillar. I drove it and the 3.2 I-6 made pretty good power actually, more than adequate. I drove it, liked the S-320s, didn't like that particular example so much...not a big fan of the black interior, felt small, and I want a LWB, not the SWB, as it does make a rather large difference in the amount of rear seat legroom.

After that, I went to go look at the Maserati dealer next door, saw some awesome cars inside there (used Ferraris too), then I left to go get some lunch. Lucky for me, I knew there was a Schlotzkys in the area, so I mapquested it and went there, because I think Schlotzkys makes the finest sandwiches in the world, and I haven't been to one since February, so I was wayyyy overdue. I went there and it was all I remembered it was. Delecious, thinly sliced meats, melted cheese upon the best bread used by a sandwich shop...it's so light and fluffy!

After the Schlotzky's mouthgasm, I went and test drove this second S320. This one was a 1999 S320 LWB. 72k miles, Beige/Beige, very good condition. They wanted $12,995 for it, and I'll offer $12,500 once financing is approved. I want this car. I didn't notice any real difference between the SWB and LWB in the way they drive and handle. I must say these handle beautifiully...I got on an offramp and I could do it 10-15 mph faster than I could 15 minutes before in my deVille...felt very very composed, almost no body roll, made me feel very confident.

Anyways, this car, out of 10, would probably get a solid 8.75 in the "how nice is it, compared to new" scale. It's very nice, but it's got a few minor issues with it...one 2"x2" scuff on the front right corner, and one on the right tail light, and it's missing a plastic piece above the inside rearview mirror, and the cupholder doesn't stay down, but if you carefully put it down, and put the center console cover down over it, it'll stay down.

This is the one I intend on buying. I've driven the newer Sevilles, like suggested in the other thread of mine, and they're quite nice, but not the same as the W140. Like I said earlier, there are two Eldorados in my area from dealers, and they're $10,000 more than this W140, and there's one Concours in my area, but it's silver, and I don't like silver cars.

So all I gotta do now is turn in my loan application to the bank Monday morning and see if I'm approved and go from there. Good luck to me!

I just KBB'd the vehicle, and in good condition, the value is $17,700. I'm getting a great deal, even if I pay full asking price and don't get those minor interior issues resolved.


Billboard on back of bus from the corporation I work for.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1311.jpg


Allante I saw at the dealer I found the black S320 at. Note the two C6 Z06's parked next to it.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1312.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1313.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1314.jpg

I love these taillights.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1315.jpg


Black S320 I drove...eh.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1316.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1317.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1318.jpg

S63 AMG. Hawt.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1319.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1321.jpg

Four Door. Gorgeous!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1323.jpg

Inside the Maserati showroom.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1324.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 07:07 PM
360 Modena
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1325.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1326.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1327.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1328.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1331.jpg

Interior of a Quattoporte.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1329.jpg

I'm gonna eat you.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1333.jpg

F355.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1334.jpg

I have found mecca.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1336.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1337.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1338.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1339.jpg

Ever heard of Carlson Wagonlit travel? This is their headquarters.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1340.jpg

eldorado99
08-17-07, 07:08 PM
Heil Chadler!

EDIT: Congrats on finding a new car that you like! Too bad it's not a Caddy though!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 07:12 PM
This is for you Tim. To offset the anger you're feeling by my "benz betrayal"
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1341.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1342.jpg

Ah yes, here she is.

I took these pics in a very, very nice neighborhood. Right on Lake Minnetonka (big lake in richest city in the Twin Cities...these houses are all well over $1,000,000.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1344.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1347.jpg
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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1353.jpg
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Smug smile. I rock. This car rocks. Schlotzkys' rocks.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1352.jpg

Centers of the wheels are peeling. The other S320 had this too.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1356.jpg

The trunklid wasn't sitting quite flush.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1358.jpg

0-40 WOT run...well it's really 20-40, but whatever. :)
wn-GlUSIoBY

JC316
08-17-07, 07:23 PM
Nice car, but I would take a BMW 540i over the Mercedes though.

Destroyer
08-17-07, 07:28 PM
Congrats!. Looks killer in that color!. Mine had the exact same color interior, loved it!. Told you the S320 wasn't as bad as some make it out to be speed-wise. Glad you are buying a LWB, just doesn't look right as a SWB. The LWB definately looks more stately. How many miles?. Keep us posted. :thumbsup:

BTW: You can buy a much nicer, different style center caps on ebay for like $30

Jesda
08-17-07, 07:30 PM
BALLER

or

RULER OF SMALL AFRICAN NATION

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 07:42 PM
Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, which I very well may be, this beige one has no licence plates, which would mean I'd have to buy new ones for $40....or get vanity plates for $100! I'll splurge and get vanitys, as I've always wanted those.

Possible choices for them:
ILC8792
CHADLAC
W140NUT
W140
OASIS (after the best band from the '90s)
XANADU
2112
CYGNUS
RAWSON
KASHMIR
BACON8R :chad:
CHAD
THECHAD
BENZBOY
------BORN2RN------- ( I love running and it's one of the greatest albums ever)


It's got 72k miles on it, and when I start the car up, a little wrench logo comes up where the odometer usually is, and it says -5xxx and that blinks. What's that mean? I thought it meant it's 5000 miles over it's schedeuled maintenance interval. And another question...on both cars, the oil guage stays at 3, and never moves. Is that normal? I read about it in the owner's manual and it only said if it gets to "0" when it's running, you have a problem. It didn't say anything else.

This car is a one owner out of Naples Florida, exceptionally clean and rust free. Now I haven't bought this car yet, but if I get the loan (which I see no reason why I shouldn't, I have a credit score somewhere between 660 and 700), this'll be the car I buy provided it hasn't already sold.

Lord Cadillac
08-17-07, 07:48 PM
Good luck. That's a very nice car.. I love that bodystyle.. I wonder how comfortable the seats are compared to the 2000-2006... Nice pictures. :)

Jonas McFeely
08-17-07, 07:51 PM
Thanks for the turbo Dodge pics. Like ive said before, that style S-Class is the only Mercedes i like. So if you have to get one, i guess thats the one.

GET THE BACON8R PLATE!!! If you dont, i will.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 07:57 PM
Oh, interesting side note. Remember how when I went to look at that other S Class last Friday, there was a '79 Mark V there too? Well this dealer had one also, but it wasn't on their lot.

The dealer's page for the Mark V.
http://www.lakesideautomn.com/webtemplate.aspx?iid=147520

Dealer's page for the S320.
http://www.lakesideautomn.com/webtemplate.aspx?iid=144378

Destroyer
08-17-07, 08:24 PM
It's got 72k miles on it, and when I start the car up, a little wrench logo comes up where the odometer usually is, and it says -5xxx and that blinks. What's that mean? Mine never did that, I have no idea.

And another question...on both cars, the oil guage stays at 3, and never moves. Is that normal? Does it move when the car is off and key is out?. I believe mine had some fluctuation, make sure you get the car inspected and run a carfax before you seal the deal :highfive:.

urbanski
08-17-07, 08:27 PM
your threads are the coolest

Playdrv4me
08-17-07, 08:35 PM
Man that thing is farking GORGEOUS, in this case I prefer the gold to the black, it just looks so much bigger in addition to being LWB.

You would be correct in that the wrench indicates its due for service. However, you need to check to see whether the numbers after the - go UP or DOWN. If the numbers are going DOWN it means its not due until 5xxx miles, if they are going UP it means its PAST the inspection. If thats the case, its possible that they just had the oil changes and other servicings done at an independent shop or quick lube place.

Carfax usually shows servicework at major dealers (it did on my Range Rover, thanks 99estees) and this can be a goldmine in determining how it was maintained. This is the *one* time I will ever give Carfax any props, and that is for their listing of service work. How they find this out is beyond me unless this information is reported to a central repository somewhere, or they are literally tied in with each brand's service network.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-17-07, 09:12 PM
Sweet looin ride Chad! I hope you get it. I have always loved the stately look of those years. Don't think you'll have any more problem gettin a race!

96Fleetwood
08-17-07, 09:18 PM
The wrench does mean service interval. It can be reset, all the instructions are in the owners manual on how to do so.

That color is called Smoke Silver. A very nice color!

Now all you need is a set of 18 inch AMG monoblock wheels, Remus exhaust, and you will be golden!

It actually sounds pretty mean for a inline 6 in that video.
:thumbsup:

Destroyer
08-17-07, 10:36 PM
Chad, heres some cool interior customizing ideas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImgZ9vXxlU

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 11:11 PM
LOL! "This is the fastest Anne Hathaway's cottage has ever been!"

Destroyer
08-18-07, 12:04 AM
LOL! "This is the fastest Anne Hathaway's cottage has ever been!"I was quite disturbed seeing this when I had mine as this one was the same color too!. Ah well.:alchi:

ted tcb
08-18-07, 12:20 AM
Sweet car, huge legroom in the back.
I love the style, prestige, and stability of Germany's best.

Will you keep the Deville as a winter car, or sell it privately.
Any issues getting a decent interest rate for an 8 year old car?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-18-07, 12:24 AM
Sell it privately. I'd like to keep it as a winter car, but I've got no room to store two cars. I haven't done much in the way of financing yet...I've gotta submit my loan application to the bank I use, but they said today they can go as low as 8%.

When I was looking at that black one, I stopped in the Service department at that M-B/BMW dealer and asked one of the service consultants and one of the mechanics some questions about the S320s. The tech had a '95 S320, and his had the headgasket and the A/C evaporator replaced before he bought it, and he said he'd recommend one, and for an S-Class, it was cheap to own. They also gave me some pretty shitty news, apparently the 3.2 I-6 has a habit of blowing headgaskets...it'll happen anywhere between 50k and 150k depending on how it's been maintained. Now both of the ones I've looked at, the temp guage didn't fluctuate or overheat, so I'm not worried about those yet, but it is something to keep in mind. And the estimate for the A/C Evaporator and Headgaskets are both in the $3000-$3500 range.

Damnit. Oh well, everything's got issues. Ya just gotta find somethin' ya like and deal with it.

Adam
08-18-07, 12:59 AM
WTF? Did you not see that C4 sitting there?

Cadillacboy
08-18-07, 05:23 AM
If I were you , I would pick up the black S320 SWB . There should be plenty of W140s . However you should narrow down to ypur choice .Well SWB vs LWB or dark colors vs light ones .What comes the very first for you that's crucial .In my point of view , black or dark colors comes first then SWB vs LWB .
I heard some headgasket stories about the W140s but don't think it is as common as FWD Cadillacs . Anyway good luck with your choice

96Fleetwood
08-18-07, 08:16 AM
Nick, didn't you have the AMG wheels on your Smoke Silver S320?

Destroyer
08-18-07, 08:47 AM
I told you about the head gaskets but from what I have heard its $1k or less to fix on the S320.

Night Wolf
08-18-07, 09:17 AM
Not bad, I do like those... the beige interior does wonders to get rid of the hostile steril industrial look to the inteiror.

90Brougham350
08-18-07, 09:34 AM
Great news Chad, this is just terrific to hear. I'm sure you'll get the loan no problem. Those S-Classes are a car people will be impressed 30 years from now to hear you owned. I don't know why, but I absolutely love those 3 slits in the front bumper. BTW, is it just me, or does it look like the underside of the front bumper dips lower on the right than the left?

96Fleetwood
08-18-07, 10:30 AM
. BTW, is it just me, or does it look like the underside of the front bumper dips lower on the right than the left?

Very common problem on the w140. My Mom pulled too close to one of those parking stops and when she backed up, it ripped the clips on the right side clean off her old S600. New clips can fix it unless it was bent too badly.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-18-07, 11:40 AM
Not bad, I do like those... the beige interior does wonders to get rid of the hostile steril industrial look to the inteiror.

Cool, I'm glad you like this color. Beige does wonders for it...makes it seem much bigger and more warm than the Black or Grey in the other ones I drove.


Very common problem on the w140. My Mom pulled too close to one of those parking stops and when she backed up, it ripped the clips on the right side clean off her old S600. New clips can fix it unless it was bent too badly.

I've had the same thing happen with my deVille...I've pulled too far in to a parking spot and rubbed the curb and wrecked the clips on mine too.


Those S-Classes are a car people will be impressed 30 years from now to hear you owned.

Yeah, and I'd imagine they'll drop more pantys than any Cadillac, save for an XLR.



Ironic, we got a 560SEL (W126) traded in at work yesterday. I looked at it real quick this morning and it's kind of a POS. That interior seems sooo sterile and boring compared to the W140....it's just blah.

96Fleetwood
08-18-07, 11:49 AM
Not bad, I do like those... the beige interior does wonders to get rid of the hostile steril industrial look to the inteiror.

Sterile & industrial with respect to what? Because it lacks faux wood and plastic door panels? ;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-18-07, 11:59 AM
Sterile & industrial with respect to what? Because it lacks faux wood and plastic door panels? ;)


Hahaha, no seriously though, M-B's interiors, until the 2000 era, were more cold and clinical than the Lincoln/Cadillac ones. Like for example, compare a 1987 560SEL to a 1987 Brougham D'Elegance or 1987 Town Car Signature Series....just a whole different feeling. The T/C or Brougham is over the top, plush, baroque. The Benz is so formal, so restrained, so subtle.

Playdrv4me
08-18-07, 05:37 PM
Take your plain old light switch on a wall... The Americans would put a faux wood trim plate around it, the Brits would put a real wood trim plate around it, the Germans would ignore the aesthetics altogether and replace the switch mechanism with one forged entirely out of steel, and the Japanese would just drywall over the switch and put the light on voice commands.

96Fleetwood
08-18-07, 05:41 PM
Check this 1998 S420 out Chad... it is about 35 minutes from me:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-S420-MULTI-CD-MOONROOF-NO-RESERVE-BLACK-L-K_W0QQitemZ190140782271QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190 140782271#mainImage


He also has this 1998 740i:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-7-Series-1998-BLACK-CHROME-WHEELS-MOONROOF-MULTI-CD-MUST-SEE_W0QQitemZ190141253104QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6009QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


and this 1996 Fleetwood:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Fleetwood-1996-LOW-MILES-BROUGHAM-ONLY-74K-5-7L-V8-LEATHER-L-K_W0QQitemZ190138109829QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6149QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jesda
08-18-07, 07:23 PM
Take your plain old light switch on a wall... The Americans would put a faux wood trim plate around it, the Brits would put a real wood trim plate around it, the Germans would ignore the aesthetics altogether and replace the switch mechanism with one forged entirely out of steel, and the Japanese would just drywall over the switch and put the light on voice commands.

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

Night Wolf
08-18-07, 09:55 PM
Sterile & industrial with respect to what? Because it lacks faux wood and plastic door panels? ;)

Yup :bouncy:

Stoneage_Caddy
08-18-07, 10:01 PM
Take your plain old light switch on a wall... The Americans would put a faux wood trim plate around it, the Brits would put a real wood trim plate around it, the Germans would ignore the aesthetics altogether and replace the switch mechanism with one forged entirely out of steel, and the Japanese would just drywall over the switch and put the light on voice commands.

and the koreans would copy the voice command at a 10th of the cost and at the same quality ....scary how far theyve come

Playdrv4me
08-18-07, 11:08 PM
and the koreans would copy the voice command at a 10th of the cost and at the same quality ....scary how far theyve come

LMAO I thought the exact same thing.

gary88
08-19-07, 12:48 AM
I approve of this Benz Chad :thumbsup: Definitely one of the classiest designs ever. Nothing over the top or showboaty like the new S class (though I still kinda like them)

Destroyer
08-19-07, 10:56 AM
I approve of this Benz Chad :thumbsup: Definitely one of the classiest designs ever. Nothing over the top or showboaty like the new S class (though I still kinda like them)
Subtle is the word. The W140 doesn't scream "hey look at me" like a Rolls for instance. It does get noticed though and Chad will find himself getting complimented on it, especially in the condition that one is in. :thumbsup:

Night Wolf
08-19-07, 05:13 PM
Subtle is the word. The W140 doesn't scream "hey look at me" like a Rolls for instance. It does get noticed though and Chad will find himself getting complimented on it, especially in the condition that one is in. :thumbsup:

So it's basically like my Town Car :)

Destroyer
08-19-07, 06:53 PM
So it's basically like my Town Car :)
Yup, just like your Town Car except the Town Car is overstated and the big Benz is understated. :bouncy:

RightTurn
08-19-07, 07:01 PM
Schlotsky's ... :drool: They make their own bread.

:yup:

caddycruiser
08-19-07, 09:04 PM
Ooh...now I'm jealous (well, provided it all goes through). And I drive a Fleetwood that people gawk at and ask me questions non-stop...it's just not in the same league as a big Benz, however:rolleyes:

My favorite thing about those cars, aside from just the reputation, is the overt bank vault feel (Mercedes, particularly a lot from the 90's) really defined this "feel" for the industry and still do. It's like it's built to last an eternity, and never even wear.

On a similar ODD note...years ago, at my father's last job, he used to take his boss's cars for service and whatever else when need be. One was a '92/93 Deville IDENTICAL to yours, Chad, and the other was a MB S320 of the gen. right before that one--similar, but older. He always commented on how fun the Cadillac was on the street because it was so quick off the line, and then always thought the MB felt like a bit of a slug but "had a solid feeling like no other car".

Hope all works out, and looking forward to updates. Sure is a LOT different than considering a run of the mile FWD Northstar wonder (bleh...just me) or a souped up rental car, ala Regal, etc.:thumbsup:

96Fleetwood
08-19-07, 09:14 PM
The Fleetwood and Town Car just do not have the presence a w140 does. Just ask any layperson if you had all three parked next to each other... sad but true.

Night Wolf
08-19-07, 09:16 PM
Yup, just like your Town Car except the Town Car is overstated and the big Benz is understated. :bouncy:

Thats alright, maybe it is a better car but I don't want the burden of going into $13,000 of debt on a car.... so I'll take my inferrior American version of a luxury car, and $10,000 in cash :bouncy: :bouncy:

gary88
08-19-07, 09:22 PM
It really is something how well that German leather holds up. I was looking at E36 M3s and found this. 79,500 miles and still looks almost new.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-M3-Coupe-5spd-CLEAN-CARFAX-EXCELLENT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ220140950594QQcmdZViewItem?hash =item220140950594

http://carad.ebayimg.com/i11/01/a/000/77/a4/7a99_4.JPG
http://carad.ebayimg.com/i18/06/a/000/77/a4/7a7e_4.JPG

Night Wolf
08-19-07, 09:25 PM
Yeah, GM/Ford for a while were using some cheap grades of leather.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-19-07, 09:55 PM
Don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but the S-Class is in a totally different ballpark than anything Cadillac or Lincoln ever created. Literally, Cadillac and Lincoln has never created anything in that league...it's totally owned by the Germans and British. When Cadillac gets the respect and credibilty by the masses, they need to venture into this league. There was the thought of that car in a few years to do this (the XLS maybe??), but from what I remember, Lutz declined that and now it's either dead or stuck in GM red tape. Comparing any S Class to any Town Car or Fleetwood is like comparing a 2001 Cavalier to a 2001 Golf. Sure, they're both compact cars but not in the same class, just like the TC and S-Class are both large luxury sedans but they aren't in the same league.

Anyways, I'm turning in my loan application to the bank tomorrow, then I'll ask how long it should be before I hear back. I'll keep you updated. Hopefully I'll know by Wednesday.

Destroyer
08-19-07, 10:39 PM
Thats alright, maybe it is a better car but I don't want the burden of going into $13,000 of debt on a car.... so I'll take my inferrior American version of a luxury car, and $10,000 in cash :bouncy: :bouncy:Hey, the big Benz went from $80k to over $130k depending on engine and options. Nobody ever asked a Town Car to compare with that. To me, the Lincolns and Cadillacs try hard to look expensive and often end up looking gawdy and cheap. Especially when the old folks start adding their continental kits and faux tops and RR grilles and so forth. The S-class, especially the W140 series just looks expensive and sophisticated without trying to look expensive and sophisticated. Know what I'm trying to say?. With that said, the Benz was an expensive car and expensive cars are costly to fix. Your Town Car is probably just as if not more reliable than a big Benz but thats also because its a less complicated piece. :thumbsup:

Destroyer
08-19-07, 10:39 PM
Don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but the S-Class is in a totally different ballpark than anything Cadillac or Lincoln ever created. Literally, Cadillac and Lincoln has never created anything in that league...it's totally owned by the Germans and British. When Cadillac gets the respect and credibilty by the masses, they need to venture into this league. There was the thought of that car in a few years to do this (the XLS maybe??), but from what I remember, Lutz declined that and now it's either dead or stuck in GM red tape. Comparing any S Class to any Town Car or Fleetwood is like comparing a 2001 Cavalier to a 2001 Golf. Sure, they're both compact cars but not in the same class, just like the TC and S-Class are both large luxury sedans but they aren't in the same league.

Anyways, I'm turning in my loan application to the bank tomorrow, then I'll ask how long it should be before I hear back. I'll keep you updated. Hopefully I'll know by Wednesday.If I had said that when I owned my S320 I would have been called names. Glad you can pull it off!.:highfive:

96Fleetwood
08-19-07, 10:54 PM
It really is something how well that German leather holds up. I was looking at E36 M3s and found this. 79,500 miles and still looks almost new.



I love those Vader seats. Damn, you just made me bid on that car!

I still would love to find a unmolested '95 OBDI e36 M3. :thumbsup:

90Brougham350
08-19-07, 10:57 PM
The one thing which sets the Benz apart from the Cadillac and Lincoln, per Wikipedia, and says it best:


Historically, the engineering of the S-Class has often occurred without regard to cost, a practice which continued unfettered up through the W140 line.

Destroyer
08-19-07, 11:59 PM
Thats alright, maybe it is a better car but I don't want the burden of going into $13,000 of debt on a car.... so I'll take my inferrior American version of a luxury car, and $10,000 in cash :bouncy: :bouncy:
Well I'd consider my Mark VIII to be a poor mans Porsche 928. Both touring cars both 4 cam 32 valve V8's with similar hp numbers and weight plus IRS. But having owned both I can say for a fact that I'd be fooling myself to say that the Mark VIII was anywhere near as nice as a 928.

Playdrv4me
08-20-07, 12:13 AM
Don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but the S-Class is in a totally different ballpark than anything Cadillac or Lincoln ever created. Literally, Cadillac and Lincoln has never created anything in that league...it's totally owned by the Germans and British. When Cadillac gets the respect and credibilty by the masses, they need to venture into this league. There was the thought of that car in a few years to do this (the XLS maybe??), but from what I remember, Lutz declined that and now it's either dead or stuck in GM red tape. Comparing any S Class to any Town Car or Fleetwood is like comparing a 2001 Cavalier to a 2001 Golf. Sure, they're both compact cars but not in the same class, just like the TC and S-Class are both large luxury sedans but they aren't in the same league.

Anyways, I'm turning in my loan application to the bank tomorrow, then I'll ask how long it should be before I hear back. I'll keep you updated. Hopefully I'll know by Wednesday.

I don't think you are stepping on any toes. I mean look, the bottom line is the W140 S Class was one of the, if not THE most expensive production car ever developed. Mercedes had set a target for development expenses of that car, and they ended up FAR exceeding it. They vowed pretty much to NEVER let development costs skyrocket that far out of control EVER AGAIN. This is why everything MB produced after the W140 became just sort of an afterthought.

So my point is, no Cadillac or Lincoln can compare to the W140, but the truth is most any Mercedes that came after it even has a hard time living up to that car's legacy. It's just one of those vehicles that set the standard.

I dont think the Town Cars and Devilles of that era have anything to apologize for for not measuring up the W140, if you ask any CEO from that timeframe, Im sure they will tell you the W140 was no where NEAR their sights when they designed and marketed the domestic luxuy lineup. Even BMW's E38, while a fine piece of machinery and craftsmanship, has to cede the reigns of superiority to it's bavarian cousin. Those roles of course flipped, or at least became even after the '00 W220 S Class, and the 2002 7 Series.

Destroyer
08-20-07, 01:13 AM
I don't think you are stepping on any toes. I mean look, the bottom line is the W140 S Class was one of the, if not THE most expensive production car ever developed. Mercedes had set a target for development expenses of that car, and they ended up FAR exceeding it. They vowed pretty much to NEVER let development costs skyrocket that far out of control EVER AGAIN. This is why everything MB produced after the W140 became just sort of an afterthought.

I dont think that Mercedes products after the W140 were an afterthought. I believe that Mercedes simply thought, why go through such lengths and expense when we may be able to get away with less?. Its sad but Mercedes betrayed its heritage by producing cars with more cost effective methods. They dropped their standards, some say the quality went down with the demise of the W126 but most say the W140 is the last "real Benz". I agree with the latter. The W140 is a great driving machine. I owned a W126 and a W124 and they were nice cars too but the W140 was far more luxurious than the older models I had. Mercedes cars were built for function but after the W140 they succumbed to pressure and built cars with more toys and less attention to build quality and quality of materials. I hope the new models change that because a lot of Mercedes owners are switching over to Lexus.

Night Wolf
08-20-07, 08:52 AM
in the 90's, is the S class or E class the higher level?

I really like the W126, to the point I was super close to buying one, when I still had my Coupe... I really wanted a turbo diesel. I think the outside styling was awesome, but... as mentioned in the thread, I just couldn't get over the interior....

The W140 is pretty nice too, personally I much prefer the lines and styling of the W126 though, the W140 interior is alot better tho, especially in the latter years... but I dunno, I think that is still the downfall, IMO that would prevent me from owning one.... the interior of a car is one of the most important things to me, things like the gauges, how it looks lit up at night, features, what type of fuel data center/driver info center.... I really like them, to the point that one of the reasons I am not in a last gen Riviera right now is because it lacks it etc....

I didn't know they were $80k+.... I dunno.... I guess I'd have to see one in person really cause looking at the pictures, it dosn't *LOOK* any better then a similar year Seville STS, which went for about half that.....

I'd like to see one around here tho, maybe even drive it... see what all the fuss is about with the vault like doors and interior quality... who knows, maybe after getting a little time with one personally I may feel different.

I don't know much about the engines, I was researching the turbo diesels quite a bit when I was in my W126 phase.... but I must say I do like I6's... they are naturally balanced.

Anyway, for poops and giigles when I was at Advance, I looked up parts for a '98 S320.... eh... SOME things were priced well... alternator and most brake parts.... but other things were really expensive.... $200 for a new water pump... can't remember the others, but it seemed like the cost to repair them is a good bit higher then anything I am used to.... they don't look as DIY user friendly as I am used to either.... and I am sure paying for top-notch mechanic work on a high end European car isn't cheap either....

Ah well, its interesting to say the least :)

Night Wolf
08-20-07, 08:59 AM
and.... look, I am not being an @$$ here, I am trying to learn a bit...

what is the thing about such a high amount of development cost and all this no holds barred on everything?

Cause honestly when I see the S320 (or 500 etc....) I see a car that looks "nice" but in the same way my Town Car looks "nice" IMO outside, its a typical high end luxo liner box design of the 90's....

Inside, it just looks quite plain to me, simple layout, the center consol is filled with square buttons that all just mesh into each other, no fancy digital displays or anything except for a tiny LCD display to tell you the set temp in the car, and the same tiny LCD displays to tell you outside temp and odometer.....

And the engines, atleast in the cheaper models.... the 3.2 DOHC I6.... is it really any different then any other luxury car DOHC 6 cylinder?

I dunno.... like I said, I just want to know.... cause *PERSONALLY* if I look at a '98 S320 and a '98 Seville STS.... IMO the Seville has better styling outside and a much nicer interior....

Jesda
08-20-07, 09:15 AM
The W140 is beyond "nice". Its extravagant, quick, handles brilliantly, feels like a bank vault. Town Cars and FWBs are big, powerful, cheaply made, and cheaper to buy. I love them for what they are.

But the W140 has features and details that surpass those American luxury cars:
The way each button feels so substantive when pressed.
The sound of the doors closing, a product of high precision manufacturing.
The tightness (moving in a linear fashion with no jiggling) of the door handles when opening the door.
The way the car elegantly sucks the doors in when gently closed.
The quiet and smooth operation of power seats.
Sound deadening and almost no wind noise.
The seats offer support and suppleness at the same time.
Steering is accurate and quick without being twitchy.
The telescoping rods that rise out the rear quarters for watching your movement in reverse.
The smooth but controlled ride -- minimization of dive, squat, and roll.
Lots of intangibles related to look and feel.

Details, details, details. Every object attached to that car is a product of human consideration and input.

Night Wolf
08-20-07, 10:12 AM
Hmmm, this seems to be the only only around here... its a V8 tho...

I may take a drive over at some point this week to see what all the hype is about...

autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=225220247&dealer_id=582821&car_year=1999&model=S500&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1994&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=used&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=&make=MB&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=31028&advanced=&end_year=2001&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=20

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-20-07, 11:08 AM
Yeah Rick, go ahead and do it!! :)


So I went ahead and put in my loan application this morning, they said they'd get back to me either tomorrow or Wednesday.

Destroyer
08-20-07, 06:31 PM
Hmmm, this seems to be the only only around here... its a V8 tho...

I may take a drive over at some point this week to see what all the hype is about...

autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=225220247&dealer_id=582821&car_year=1999&model=S500&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1994&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=used&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=&make=MB&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=31028&advanced=&end_year=2001&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=20


Thats a nice looking example with newer style wheels but its a short wheelbase and just doesn't look right. The long wheel base model like the one Chad looked at and like the one I had is more fitting. The rear window is wider (bigger) on the LWB models. SWB rear window is square and the LWB is rectangular.

Destroyer
08-20-07, 06:34 PM
I dunno.... like I said, I just want to know.... cause *PERSONALLY* if I look at a '98 S320 and a '98 Seville STS.... IMO the Seville has better styling outside and a much nicer interior....Styling is subject. :thumbsup:

caddycruiser
08-20-07, 07:07 PM
Styling is subject. :thumbsup:

Agreed...and it's really the FEEL of the cars that makes them what they are. You really have to experience it first hand, otherwise it just sounds like a bunch of people making stuff up.

Trust me, if my father--a "I only buy American regardless of what it's like" car buyer--can fully discuss how an older Mercedes has a feel he's never experienced in a car, even a lack of power and all, it's real.

Looks aren't everything...and they're subjective anyway.

Playdrv4me
08-20-07, 07:08 PM
The 98-2004 Seville is one of the most perfectly proportioned cars Detroit, or anyone, ever produced. But on the whole the S Class is still an entirely different class of car. I *love* the STS, its the car that BROUGHT me to Cadillac, but the W140 is a truly superior vehicle.

96Fleetwood
08-20-07, 07:15 PM
The 98-2004 Seville is one of the most perfectly proportioned cars Detroit, or anyone, ever produced. But on the whole the S Class is still an entirely different class of car. I *love* the STS, its the car that BROUGHT me to Cadillac, but the W140 is a truly superior vehicle.


I liked the 2000 & 2002 STS my brother had.. until my Dad bought a 2005 STS V8. The new STS is a far superior vehicle from a engineering standpoint. The car actually felt very luxurious and the new Northstar combined with RWD is very fun. I do not like the fact it can be confused with a CTS, but other than that the new STS is a great value.

The new STS actually feels like it has 300+ horspower and does not give you all that torquesteer nonsense.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-20-07, 08:40 PM
This thread is getting interesting! I do love the styling of my Seville and even though it is rated a "World Class Contender" the Benz will always be a better vehicle. I love my car and will always own an STS now but you have to give props to the big Benz. Even J.R. Ewing drove an S-Class! But to LT1's statement about "torque Steer nonsense", that can be over come with good throttle management at take off.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-20-07, 08:47 PM
Who's J.R Ewing?

Yes, the 98-04 Seville is one of the best proportioned vehicles america has ever produced, but I like the bolder look of the 92-97 more. No big deal though, they're both gorgous cars in their own way.

Playdrv4me
08-20-07, 08:53 PM
Who's J.R Ewing?

http://www.janeek.com/images/temp/General/JR_Ewing.jpg

MN-STS-LOVER
08-20-07, 08:55 PM
You know....Major Nelson from "I Dream of Genie"

Jesda
08-20-07, 08:59 PM
It will be a long, long time until another vehicle is available that looks anywhere near as perfect as the 92-04 Seville.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-20-07, 09:00 PM
Yeah, but the 04+ A8 is in the running.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-20-07, 09:07 PM
Chad, you can catch the show "Dallas" Thursday at 10:00am on the soap network. J.R. drove a late 70's to early 80's 450SEL. The car that put Benz on the American rich people's radar (along with the convertible 450 SL)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-20-07, 09:10 PM
Ahhhh, now I know who you're talking about.

Adam
08-20-07, 09:21 PM
Yeah Rick, go ahead and do it!! :)


So I went ahead and put in my loan application this morning, they said they'd get back to me either tomorrow or Wednesday.

Damn, that long? When I bought my Fleetwood I was walking out with a check for the full amount in an hour. Regardless, good luck Chad.

Playdrv4me
08-20-07, 11:45 PM
Yea, I agree, that is a while? I imagine they want to run a title check on the Mercedes and probably a smaller bank that takes their sweet time doing things.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-21-07, 12:07 AM
Yes, it's a smaller bank. Minnwest is the name. I've been using them since I was 14 and I've always been happy, their customer service is superb and it never takes me very long at all to get anything done (aside from this lol).

MN-STS-LOVER
08-21-07, 12:37 AM
Chad, you work for Denny Hecker...I'm sure his finance dept. can get you a quicker answer.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-21-07, 12:41 AM
Yeah, but I don't think I could finance a car thru Hecker that's not at a Hecker lot.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-21-07, 12:44 AM
True, but if you're in the market for a house, they do sell realeastate too!.....LOL

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-21-07, 07:12 PM
I heard back from the bank earlier today. I'm approved, but I've gotta go down and fill out some paperwork. So I called over to the dealer with the Benz and told them this, and I had him fax the bank a purchase agreement that was necessary for the loan. So it's pretty much mine now! My loan officer isn't at the office near my house tomorrow morning, so I can't go there before work, but I can go there in the afternoon, so I think I'll do that and then go out and pick up the car Thursday or Friday. The timing on my behalf was brilliant too, I guess somebody from New York state just called the dealer, interested in the car, and I guess he was gonna send someone out to take pictures of the car for him.

So yep, it's almost mine!

Playdrv4me
08-21-07, 07:17 PM
Fingers crossed for you.

96Fleetwood
08-21-07, 08:03 PM
Congrats Chad, keep us posted!!

Once you sell your Sedan Deville, let me know and I can find you a set of 18X8.5 front and 18X10 rear AMG Monoblock wheels :thumbsup:

gdwriter
08-21-07, 08:24 PM
Great news! I expect lots of pics once it's in your hands.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-21-07, 08:35 PM
The other MN members and I are meeting at my place at noon on Sunday for a meet. We're gonna have a drag race...the S320 v. the deVille (and anyone else who wants to run)! I intend on videotaping it.

I'm going out to the dealership tomorrow morning before work to put a deposit on the car, so it doesn't slip away.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-21-07, 11:44 PM
Chad, do you know a place we can all run?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-22-07, 12:09 AM
Hmmmm, I dunno. I suppose if nothing else, we could run them down 42 or Cedar but I'd rather not deal with traffic.

derrty_deville
08-22-07, 12:13 AM
Shouldnt the First Mercedes stage in life come after the Move out of parents basement stage. It just doesnt make a damn bit of sense.... but I love it.

Ill run next to the Benz.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-22-07, 12:15 AM
LOL! Alright.

derrty_deville
08-22-07, 12:26 AM
We are not taking that to the fair though. Thats just got bad idea written all over it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-22-07, 12:35 AM
No no, I wasn't intending on taking that to the fair. I'll take you all for a drive in it though.

96Fleetwood
08-22-07, 08:05 AM
No no, I wasn't intending on taking that to the fair. I'll take you all for a drive in it though.


Will you provide grey poupon?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-22-07, 12:17 PM
Will you provide grey poupon?


LOL! No no, I think I've gotta provide the german alternative.


I went out this morning to put a deposit on it and sign the purchase agreement. Total out the door is $14,018.18. That dealer has a 1979 Lincoln Continental Mark V for sale too, so I asked this morning if I could take it for a quick spin...I did. The hood was dangerously long, but after a minute or two, I got used to the size and it was pretty easy to manuver around those city streets. The 400 makes adequate power...it's not fast, even at WOT, but it moves along ok. It did have somewhat more accurate steering than that '77 Town Car I drove last summer, and it felt a bit more nimble. But to sum it up, I'd much rather drive the 320 around as a daily driver, the Lincoln would be an awesome weekend cruiser.

Destroyer
08-22-07, 12:48 PM
Good luck with the Benz and congrats!. Hope it serves you well. :thumbsup:

Playdrv4me
08-22-07, 01:04 PM
thats awesome! cant wait til you get it.

Night Wolf
08-22-07, 04:36 PM
well congrats on the new old car, look forward to alot of pictures :)

Cadillacboy
08-22-07, 04:38 PM
Congrats !
Enjoy your new ride :)

JC316
08-22-07, 05:53 PM
Congrats! Enjoy your new ride *cough* even though my SLS would decimate it and Cadillac is THE luxury car *Cough*

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-22-07, 06:26 PM
Now I should see if they'll throw in the '79 Mark V for another $500! :stirpot:

96Fleetwood
08-22-07, 07:15 PM
Subliminal messages.....

http://www.m1autosport.com/v4/images/store/bodykits/wald/MBZ/s-class/w140ex-line/w140-ex-r.jpg

http://www.500sec.com/news/W140-AMGsilber.jpg

http://www.benzworld.org/gallery/pics/W140_48093.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/mercedes2.jpg

http://www.mercedes-classic.cz/w140/galerie/g140_005.jpg


My Father buys all his Mercedes parts from these guys in GA.

http://www.bekkers.com/


Goodluck!!

:thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-22-07, 09:52 PM
Note to self: pick up some Grey Poupon before Sunday.


Does anyone know where I can pick up those stickers people mount on the rear windshield with the flag on them? I think I need me a Germany sticker.

Playdrv4me
08-22-07, 11:01 PM
First priority *after* the monoblock wheels, is some Xenon headlight assemblies from ebay! They DO pop up from time to time.

slk230mb
08-22-07, 11:27 PM
First priority *after* the monoblock wheels, is some Xenon headlight assemblies from ebay! They DO pop up from time to time.

Only 100 posts until Ian mentioned Xenon's. That took longer than I expected. lol

Playdrv4me
08-22-07, 11:55 PM
Only 100 posts until Ian mentioned Xenon's. That took longer than I expected. lol

Nice. Very nice. I deserved that. (And dont think Im not still keeping an eye out for your overdue conversion.)

eldorado99
08-23-07, 12:01 AM
I hope you post a ton of pics when you have it all cleaned up Chad! I have a bit of a soft spot for these Mercs as well. Riding in my Grandparents' Merc 600 SL when I was a very young lad is actually what sparked my love affair with luxury cars in general. Just noticing the quality woods and leathers and the three pointed star, it is quite magical when you are 4 years old. I hope you enjoy your car.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-23-07, 12:02 AM
LOL! I love how all these ideas are flowing, keep it coming! I really like the standard wheels on these 97-99's, so I'm in no real hurry to move to the AMG monoblocks, but they are a gorgeous wheel. Now if they didn't ever change the wheels in 1997 and kept that 1992 style, then yeah, the Monoblocks would be going on there ASAP.

My first purchase for the car will be an iPod travel kit. Yeah, no more CD changers for me.

Playdrv4me
08-23-07, 12:11 AM
My first purchase for the car will be XENON HEADLIGHTS.

Man, there must be some technical problem with the forum... Thats different than what was typed up there. Good choice going with Xenons! :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-23-07, 12:20 AM
It might have them, I didn't take a look at the headlights to see what shade they were. That black SWB had them though.

caddycruiser
08-23-07, 01:12 AM
Shouldnt the First Mercedes stage in life come after the Move out of parents basement stage. It just doesnt make a damn bit of sense.... but I love it.

Ill run next to the Benz.

GREAT buy. That said, ^^this still worries me a bit...big MB, yet still living at home. I guess I'm not one to talk yet, but just saying...priorities:)

I also don't see a thing wrong with keeping it EXACTLY as is for a while, as the stock wheels and everything else already look fantastic, and there certainly should be budget room for some unexpected early on kinks--let's hope not, but you never know.

Oh, and now you've moved up so far from what you used to be driving and from what your friends apparently drive...try and keep the car to yourself and one pampered (i.e. non-frequent racing:thumbsup:) beast.

gdwriter
08-23-07, 04:13 AM
So, what are you gonna name this car? I think it should be something like Dieter or Olga (if it's female). Something solid and German-sounding.

I'll bet you take some shit at work when you drive up in the Benz. Expect to hear comments like "Krautwagen," "Hitler's Revenge" and "Nazi Shit Box." They're just jealous. Enjoy it.

96Fleetwood
08-23-07, 07:41 AM
So, what are you gonna name this car? I think it should be something like Dieter or Olga (if it's female). Something solid and German-sounding.

I'll bet you take some shit at work when you drive up in the Benz. Expect to hear comments like "Krautwagen," "Hitler's Revenge" and "Nazi Shit Box." They're just jealous. Enjoy it.


And don't forget Sandy is going to be very against this car because it is German. Maybe that is why he hasn't chimed in?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-23-07, 08:46 AM
So, what are you gonna name this car? I think it should be something like Dieter or Olga (if it's female). Something solid and German-sounding.

I'll bet you take some shit at work when you drive up in the Benz. Expect to hear comments like "Krautwagen," "Hitler's Revenge" and "Nazi Shit Box." They're just jealous. Enjoy it.

I've gotta come up with a good German female name tomorrow when I pick it up. It's funny, I took German for three years in high school, and I can't remember any of the common german female names, lol. And I haven't recieved a lot of flack yet from my coworkers, even one of the old timers who's all about Chevrolet and GM didn't give me any shit for it when I told him what I bought. I was kinda surprised by that, all he said is "why do you always wanna own all these old people cars...are you dying soon or something?" I had a good laugh at that and said "no, no, I've just always wanted one of these". And there's another guy there that likes the German stuff, so he's all excited that I'm getting this... he's had an E34 5 Series and he loved it and he told me that the German cars are so worth it.
In a lot of their eyes, I'll be moving to a better car, as a lot of my coworkers just don't like Cadillacs.



GREAT buy. That said, ^^this still worries me a bit...big MB, yet still living at home. I guess I'm not one to talk yet, but just saying...priorities:)

Actually, I bought it now for a reason.... I figure, if I spend a good amount of money and buy a nice, newer car with low miles, I can pay it off easily while I'm still living at home, as I have no other debts or big expenses, aside from Insurance. That way, I can get it paid off, move out and then spend my money on rent and not have to worry about rent and car payments. And then I'll still have a newer car, with less things to worry about breaking.

caddycruiser
08-23-07, 11:01 AM
Actually, I bought it now for a reason.... I figure, if I spend a good amount of money and buy a nice, newer car with low miles, I can pay it off easily while I'm still living at home, as I have no other debts or big expenses, aside from Insurance. That way, I can get it paid off, move out and then spend my money on rent and not have to worry about rent and car payments. And then I'll still have a newer car, with less things to worry about breaking.

Good point, and hopefully it works out.

Just keep it in the utmost spectacular shape, and treated nicely, and it should last you an MB eternity...:thumbsup:

Night Wolf
08-23-07, 11:13 AM
LOL! No no, I think I've gotta provide the german alternative.


I went out this morning to put a deposit on it and sign the purchase agreement. Total out the door is $14,018.18. That dealer has a 1979 Lincoln Continental Mark V for sale too, so I asked this morning if I could take it for a quick spin...I did. The hood was dangerously long, but after a minute or two, I got used to the size and it was pretty easy to manuver around those city streets. The 400 makes adequate power...it's not fast, even at WOT, but it moves along ok. It did have somewhat more accurate steering than that '77 Town Car I drove last summer, and it felt a bit more nimble. But to sum it up, I'd much rather drive the 320 around as a daily driver, the Lincoln would be an awesome weekend cruiser.

$14,018.18...

Does that include the extended warantee that you wanted?

How does it break up between car/tax/extras/etc...?

What is the intrest rate on such a used car loan? I was just looking, and did the $14k at 3yrs w/ 10% interest and it came out to be $452/month... is that about right? (~$16,300 when all is said and done)

To me, at my age and point in life, that is a lot of money to spend on a car... but you seem to have a good plan on getting it paid off before you move out. Personally if you really don't have many bills, and it wouldn't make you struggle, I'd double your payments if you could... get that thing paid off... remember, with loans/intrest, its far better to pay a larger sum of money on the loan in the begining, then at the end.

But, considering what you would get new for $14k.... a basic model of an econobox.... the S320 is a whole lot of car.

96Fleetwood
08-23-07, 03:02 PM
10% interest??? Wow, maybe if you have credit under 680.

I am pretty sure Chad is the type of guy to pay more than the monthly payment each month.. he will have it paid off in no time. The w140 is ageless, unlike most of the Cadillacs from the same era. :thumbsup:

ted tcb
08-23-07, 03:19 PM
I say, good for you, Chad.
Many young guys want Civics, Integras, Accords, Maximas, etc.
You march to your own drummer and don't follow the herd.
I'm guessing you were about 11k before taxes and warranties ... that buys you a 4-5 yr old Civic up my way.
Your choice of car shows that you purchased something unique, that can only be appreciated by precious few people.

The Benz will age very well ... keep us updated.

Night Wolf
08-23-07, 03:22 PM
10% interest??? Wow, maybe if you have credit under 680.

I am pretty sure Chad is the type of guy to pay more than the monthly payment each month.. he will have it paid off in no time. The w140 is ageless, unlike most of the Cadillacs from the same era. :thumbsup:

I dunno about intrest rates honestly... I haven't checked. I know they are higher for used car then new car.

He's probably putting some money down on it... maybe bring the total amount to be financed down to $11k or so? I dunno

Ageless tho? I guess it is a matter of personal preference.... I've really tried to look at these cars differently since the start of the thread... and I just see a German luxury car..... they look no differnt to me then the other classes of 90's M-B either. Personally I prefer the styling inside and out of Cadillacs of the same era...

Actually, I was looking at pictures of the W126 that I used to like so much... and they really don't appeal to me either... interior is the worst, but even the outside, just dosn't appeal to me at all anymore. I guess I am the only one that dosn't see the hype in these cars.... kinda like the Mitsubishi Diamante.... some people go crazy over those... even here when there was a thread about them, just so awesome and all that... to me, its like a bigger Galant... so I don't get it. But, since someone here will not like my opinion, I'll be the first to say that I drive around in a plush Crown Vic with air suspension....

Playdrv4me
08-23-07, 03:25 PM
Depending on high credit, the age of the car, the mileage of the car and the length of term... your finance rate on a used car will range anywhere between 5.5ish percent at a small credit union, to as much as about 12 with a large bank or lending institution (CapitalOne etc).

Sub prime loans will range anywhere from 13-25 percent.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-23-07, 03:38 PM
It's 8 %.


Thanks for all the advice through this whole deal everyone, I really appreciate it. :thumbsup:

96Fleetwood
08-23-07, 04:06 PM
8% isn't bad for your first big credit purchase. Make your payments on time so you can get a nice mortgage in the future :thumbsup:

Nightwolf, as you said we are each entitled to our own opinions. I respect yours. Personally I had two Diamantes.. a 1993 and 1995.. both were horrible cars that depsite having the 3000GT SL motor had numerous tranny and rear main seal issues.

But enough of rattling Chad's thread. I want a ride in the S320 at the next National meet. I know that interior will put my Fleetwood's interior & build quality (and any other GM) to shame.

Night Wolf
08-23-07, 04:29 PM
8% isn't bad for your first big credit purchase. Make your payments on time so you can get a nice mortgage in the future :thumbsup:

Nightwolf, as you said we are each entitled to our own opinions. I respect yours. Personally I had two Diamantes.. a 1993 and 1995.. both were horrible cars that depsite having the 3000GT SL motor had numerous tranny and rear main seal issues.

But enough of rattling Chad's thread. I want a ride in the S320 at the next National meet. I know that interior will put my Fleetwood's interior & build quality (and any other GM) to shame.

Yeah, I do look forward to seeing it at the meet if he decides to drive down.

I'll have the Caddy tho, well I should, I don't se why not right now.... it wont be pretty but I would like to take it.... unless ya'll want me to take the Town Car :)

Jonas McFeely
08-23-07, 08:19 PM
I dont agree with your purchase, but congratulations none the less.

For $14k, i would have bought an '04 Maxima 6-speed. Or a 300ZX Twin Turbo modded to the gills. Or an '01 DTS.

Destroyer
08-23-07, 09:40 PM
I dont agree with your purchase, but congratulations none the less.

For $14k, i would have bought an '04 Maxima 6-speed. Or a 300ZX Twin Turbo modded to the gills. Or an '01 DTS.The 300ZX is a bit older than Chad was looking for and the DTS has a Northstar which is worse than a 4100 as far as reliability. The Maxima is a car that if you were looking at logically would have been a better choice for Chad IMO. As you know though, when a car enthusiast buys a car its more emotion than logic. A new KIA would have taken him where he wants to go but....... You own 2 (technically 3) cars that are probably not the most practical cars out there but take that '68 you just bought, it just spoke to you right?. Same story with Chad and the W140, he's been wanting one for a long time so whether you or I or anyone else agrees or disagrees is of little to no consequence. It is his money and therefore his decision. The W140 is a very respected and fine piece of machinery. Its definately a car that one should be proud to own. If the guy next to him in a busted green 20 something year old Cadillac doesn't appreciate it, then so be it. :bigroll:

90Brougham350
08-23-07, 09:59 PM
Let's just say it, Chad's new car is better built than any of our Cadillacs. You get what you pay for; things of quality have no fear of time. Chad has made a fine choice, and while I hate to see the SDV go, I know Chad'll be back in a Caddy someday. I'll admit it, I'm a little jealous.

Playdrv4me
08-23-07, 10:05 PM
Come on doods... Why do you all keep posting "I like your car *BUT*". There is no BUT about it, just give the guy a pat on the back, hes always wanted this damn car. Im happy for him regardless of what it is, I thought I was doing well at 20, and he is doing a hell of alot better than I was.

25-30 some odd cars later I can barely remember anymore... but I think at 20 I was still driving a 97 Grand Cherokee TSi.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-23-07, 10:10 PM
Hear that, my car is better than ALL of yours! :D




:hide:

AElayyat
08-23-07, 10:15 PM
Let's just say it, Chad's new car is better built than any of our Cadillacs. You get what you pay for; things of quality have no fear of time...

this guy is right, with all due respect to the members and their caddys (i have 2 caddys my self), the only thing i have against the german cars is the service/maint. costs. service for a caddy is nothing compaired to the german cars. but you gotta drive one to know whey the guy got a s-class. congrats on your purchase.

Jonas McFeely
08-23-07, 11:24 PM
If the guy next to him in a busted green 20 something year old Cadillac doesn't appreciate it, then so be it. :bigroll:

Youre mean. :rolleyes:

Destroyer
08-23-07, 11:39 PM
Youre mean. :rolleyes:

LMAO, damnit I cant disagree with you there!. :thumbsup:

gdwriter
08-24-07, 02:45 AM
Let's just say it, Chad's new car is better built than any of our Cadillacs. You get what you pay for; things of quality have no fear of time. Chad has made a fine choice, and while I hate to see the SDV go, I know Chad'll be back in a Caddy someday. I'll admit it, I'm a little jealous.:yeah:


Come on doods... Why do you all keep posting "I like your car *BUT*". There is no BUT about it, just give the guy a pat on the back, hes always wanted this damn car. Im happy for him regardless of what it is, I thought I was doing well at 20, and he is doing a hell of alot better than I was.

25-30 some odd cars later I can barely remember anymore... but I think at 20 I was still driving a 97 Grand Cherokee TSi.:yeah:, too.

Let's see, when I was 20 (1986), I was driving a '74 Toyota Celica nearing 100,000 miles, and that summer, the car had the automotive equivalent of a nervous breakdown. Seems like something went out on it every other day.

No buts about it, the late 90s S-class is a fine machine that deserves respect.

96Fleetwood
08-24-07, 08:15 AM
MSRP for the '99 S320 was $68-74K. Not even the top of the line Cadillacs in '99 (Concours & STS) even touched that league.

caddycruiser
08-24-07, 12:49 PM
Let's just say it, Chad's new car is better built than any of our Cadillacs. You get what you pay for; things of quality have no fear of time. Chad has made a fine choice, and while I hate to see the SDV go, I know Chad'll be back in a Caddy someday. I'll admit it, I'm a little jealous.

DEAD ON. I think that sums everything up:thumbsup:

Now...just waiting for Chad to pick it up...

90Brougham350
08-24-07, 06:33 PM
I stopped by his dealership after work today, it's gorgeous! What a stunning car, AND color! Chad has made a great choice, and he'll be happy for a long time. Now, we'll just have to wait for that first road-trip!

Night Wolf
08-24-07, 07:29 PM
same color (combo) as his DeVille right? or close enough.... beige/tan

one thing I don't get..... it supposed to be the best car ever made in the entire world.... but how come they coudln't put newer jewel-style headlights in it instead of the old deflection lens style?.... thats one of the things that really appealed to me about the Town Car, makes cars look much better IMO...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-24-07, 07:36 PM
Yes, beige/beige, same as the deVille. It's got Xenons, it's good enough for me.

Destroyer
08-24-07, 08:00 PM
same color (combo) as his DeVille right? or close enough.... beige/tan

one thing I don't get..... it supposed to be the best car ever made in the entire world.... but how come they coudln't put newer jewel-style headlights in it instead of the old deflection lens style?.... thats one of the things that really appealed to me about the Town Car, makes cars look much better IMO...Well I guess its because the Town Car is a technological tour de force and Mercedes aren't. That is the answer you were looking for?.:confused:

90Brougham350
08-24-07, 08:49 PM
one thing I don't get..... it supposed to be the best car ever made in the entire world.... but how come they coudln't put newer jewel-style headlights in it instead of the old deflection lens style?.... thats one of the things that really appealed to me about the Town Car, makes cars look much better IMO...

Because they knew one day a guy named Rick would need something to rag on.

gdwriter
08-24-07, 08:56 PM
one thing I don't get..... it supposed to be the best car ever made in the entire world.... but how come they coudln't put newer jewel-style headlights in it instead of the old deflection lens style?.... thats one of the things that really appealed to me about the Town Car, makes cars look much better IMO...:helpless:


Well I guess its because the Town Car is a technological tour de force and Mercedes aren't. That is the answer you were looking for?.:confused::yeah:

Jesda
08-24-07, 09:15 PM
I love Town Cars, but come on! Different type of luxury, different type of experience. Its like comparing a Miata to a Corvette. Yeah, both are sports cars, and the similarities end there.

Night Wolf
08-24-07, 09:15 PM
Ah, forget it.... the lights are fine, once the rebadged Chevy is sold, we'll be all set :bouncy:

Night Wolf
08-24-07, 09:18 PM
Wow, sorry I mentioned "Town Car" in the light comparison.... I should have said "new Mercedes" or something... wow...

Just asking a question too, as I was wondering why they chose an older design instead of a newer on a high-end car.... maybe there was a reason?

But if ya'll want to be that way about it, thats fine. Town Car is a POS, spending all weekend fixing it... again... maybe one day I'll have a Mercedes Benz...... is that better?

Destroyer
08-24-07, 10:07 PM
But if ya'll want to be that way about it, thats fine. Town Car is a POS, spending all weekend fixing it... again... maybe one day I'll have a Mercedes Benz...... is that better?Well I have 2 Lincolns and I dont own a Mercedes Benz anymore but the difference here is that I know the Mercedes is a more substantial car. I dont think that takes anything away from your Lincoln or mine. The Mercedes wins in the driving department and comfort and niceties but I actually find my Mark VIII's to be more fun to drive and you would probably come away from Chads car liking somethings about it more and some things less. My Lincolns have many of the "toys" and nice interiors, the '98 much more so than the '95 but neither have that "quality" feel the Benz had. My wife's '98 Deville felt like one hell of a nice Chevy rather than something that is in the same league as the Benz. After driving my Benz for like a week straight it was nice getting back into my '91 Caddy. Kinda like an old pair of jeans but the Caddy sure did feel cheap after driving the Benz and didn't drive as nice going down the interstate. I like cars for what they are and sometimes comparisons should not be made.

96Fleetwood
08-24-07, 10:18 PM
Just asking a question too, as I was wondering why they chose an older design instead of a newer on a high-end car.... maybe there was a reason?



Because it was 1999. At least the headlights in the Benz do not haze up like the Cadillacs and Lincolns of that same era. Mercedes made things simple for a reason and what they made lasts for a long long time. It is sad that things went downhill after that, but they sure knew what they were doing before Daimler Chrysler came along.

Night Wolf
08-24-07, 11:06 PM
Because it was 1999. At least the headlights in the Benz do not haze up like the Cadillacs and Lincolns of that same era. Mercedes made things simple for a reason and what they made lasts for a long long time. It is sad that things went downhill after that, but they sure knew what they were doing before Daimler Chrysler came along.

Thats what I was thinking... they are probably glass to, so as you said, they will not haze up :)

Night Wolf
08-24-07, 11:19 PM
Well I have 2 Lincolns and I dont own a Mercedes Benz anymore but the difference here is that I know the Mercedes is a more substantial car. I dont think that takes anything away from your Lincoln or mine. The Mercedes wins in the driving department and comfort and niceties but I actually find my Mark VIII's to be more fun to drive and you would probably come away from Chads car liking somethings about it more and some things less. My Lincolns have many of the "toys" and nice interiors, the '98 much more so than the '95 but neither have that "quality" feel the Benz had. My wife's '98 Deville felt like one hell of a nice Chevy rather than something that is in the same league as the Benz. After driving my Benz for like a week straight it was nice getting back into my '91 Caddy. Kinda like an old pair of jeans but the Caddy sure did feel cheap after driving the Benz and didn't drive as nice going down the interstate. I like cars for what they are and sometimes comparisons should not be made.

Like I said in the other posts... I am quite sure the quality is there, and they are built well... but the styling inside and out, as well as the resale cost just dosn't appeal to me.... but I still do like them, I have always like Mercedes more over BMW and Audi..... I'm not fond of BMW much at all... sadly its probably mostly because of the following and image, cause apparantly they are really nice driving cars.

Nowhere was I trying to say the Lincoln is a better car either, it's got alot of shortfalls too, interior fit and finish while alright does fall short, but it dosn't bother me... I wanted another American luxo barge highway cruiser... and for $3,500 I really couldn't ask for a better car, or complain about mine.

I really look forward to seeing Chad, and his car at the meet if he is able to make it there and drive.... I do like these cars, so maybe after seeing a nice one in person and stuff some of my opinions will change. I keep thinking that I'd be able to compare the door "thunks" to the Town Car, and race the Town Car vs S320... but... my plan is to have the Caddy at the meet... so that kinda throws all that out the window.... I guess I can look forward to a 307 vs HT4100 race.... wait... hes bringing his '68... so there that goes to...

96Fleetwood
08-25-07, 08:14 AM
I keep thinking that I'd be able to compare the door "thunks" to the Town Car

The doors in the S320 are self closing.. there is no thunk ;). I also like the fact that all the windows are one touch up and down!

Night Wolf
08-25-07, 08:19 AM
The doors in the S320 are self closing.. there is no thunk ;). I also like the fact that all the windows are one touch up and down!

I know they are self-closing IF the door is only partly closed, it'll pull it in the rest of the way, but how I understand it is that if you close it like normal, then thats just it... its normal.

If so though, howcome everyone was saying how they love the bank vault "thunk" the doors make when being closed?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-25-07, 10:30 AM
If so though, howcome everyone was saying how they love the bank vault "thunk" the doors make when being closed?

Unlike the trunk assists on the cars we've both had, you can slam the doors on the Benz and not damage the assist mechanism. So if you forget it's got the feature and shut the door like you normally would, you don't have to worry about damaging the mechanism. When you do close them normally, they make a nice, solid "whoomp" sort of sound.



Like I said in the other posts... I am quite sure the quality is there, and they are built well... but the styling inside and out, as well as the resale cost just dosn't appeal to me.... but I still do like them, I have always like Mercedes more over BMW and Audi..... I'm not fond of BMW much at all... sadly its probably mostly because of the following and image, cause apparantly they are really nice driving cars.

Nowhere was I trying to say the Lincoln is a better car either, it's got alot of shortfalls too, interior fit and finish while alright does fall short, but it dosn't bother me... I wanted another American luxo barge highway cruiser... and for $3,500 I really couldn't ask for a better car, or complain about mine.

I really look forward to seeing Chad, and his car at the meet if he is able to make it there and drive.... I do like these cars, so maybe after seeing a nice one in person and stuff some of my opinions will change. I keep thinking that I'd be able to compare the door "thunks" to the Town Car, and race the Town Car vs S320... but... my plan is to have the Caddy at the meet... so that kinda throws all that out the window.... I guess I can look forward to a 307 vs HT4100 race.... wait... hes bringing his '68... so there that goes to...



Thanks Rick, I appreciate hearing that. Like I said earlier, the Town Cars are a very nice car too, but in a totally different way. It's sorta like comparing a Camaro Z28 and a F355 Ferrari or something of that nature. Both great sports cars, in totally different manners. I do plan on coming down in November, and I'd like to run the Benz against your Town Car. That would be a very interesting race.

Night Wolf
08-25-07, 02:22 PM
Unlike the trunk assists on the cars we've both had, you can slam the doors on the Benz and not damage the assist mechanism. So if you forget it's got the feature and shut the door like you normally would, you don't have to worry about damaging the mechanism. When you do close them normally, they make a nice, solid "whoomp" sort of sound.






Thanks Rick, I appreciate hearing that. Like I said earlier, the Town Cars are a very nice car too, but in a totally different way. It's sorta like comparing a Camaro Z28 and a F355 Ferrari or something of that nature. Both great sports cars, in totally different manners. I do plan on coming down in November, and I'd like to run the Benz against your Town Car. That would be a very interesting race.

Well, the plan was to take the Caddy.... cause it's a Caddy meet.... but either way I don't mind... maybe have a poll which vehicle I should take? lol

Night Wolf
08-25-07, 02:26 PM
Anyway, if I did take the Town Car, you could drive it around a bit, cause I know at one point you were thinking about getting one.... I guess just see what its like, though compared to your car you'll probably think its a POS and be glad to drive yours again :) Heck if I take the Caddy down you'd be welcome to drive that too.... but then you'd really think its a POS compared to your car.... shes got alot of things that need to be addressed.

Playdrv4me
08-25-07, 04:45 PM
Wow, sorry I mentioned "Town Car" in the light comparison.... I should have said "new Mercedes" or something... wow...

Just asking a question too, as I was wondering why they chose an older design instead of a newer on a high-end car.... maybe there was a reason?

But if ya'll want to be that way about it, thats fine. Town Car is a POS, spending all weekend fixing it... again... maybe one day I'll have a Mercedes Benz...... is that better?

Well I dont think the headlamp style has anything to do with technology. I mean behind those fluted headlights there are still Xenons and the Town Car didnt offer those as an option until a short time in 2003.

The Accord was the first car in the U.S. to feature clear-lensed headlamps back in 1990 (remember Ive always been a headlight nut), however we picked up a '90 LS400 yesterday that had the fluted style and was an absolute technolical marvel in the same year. I was astonished comparing that car to any Mercedes or BMW of the same time frame. In fact, back THEN, only Cadillac really came close to matching the technology of that car. Technology just means different things to different brands, and different audiences. During the purest years of Mercedes, technology took a backseat to driving experience, luxury, appearance and safety. It was only in the last 7 years that Mercedes finally had to bend to the technological requirements of the marketplace.

I have always preferred BMW to Mercedes, but I'm not about to deny the fact that Mercedes established the premium-luxury market, AND that you compare any OLD BMW to any OLD Benz, and the Mercedes is nearly timeless, while most old BMWs from the 80s and early 90s show their age inside and out. An interesting statistic, the OLDEST cars on the road still being used for transportation, are Mercedes vehicles, a testament to their longevity.

Night Wolf
08-25-07, 06:34 PM
Well I dont think the headlamp style has anything to do with technology. I mean behind those fluted headlights there are still Xenons and the Town Car didnt offer those as an option until a short time in 2003.

The Accord was the first car in the U.S. to feature clear-lensed headlamps back in 1990 (remember Ive always been a headlight nut), however we picked up a '90 LS400 yesterday that had the fluted style and was an absolute technolical marvel in the same year. I was astonished comparing that car to any Mercedes or BMW of the same time frame. In fact, back THEN, only Cadillac really came close to matching the technology of that car. Technology just means different things to different brands, and different audiences. During the purest years of Mercedes, technology took a backseat to driving experience, luxury, appearance and safety. It was only in the last 7 years that Mercedes finally had to bend to the technological requirements of the marketplace.

I have always preferred BMW to Mercedes, but I'm not about to deny the fact that Mercedes established the premium-luxury market, AND that you compare any OLD BMW to any OLD Benz, and the Mercedes is nearly timeless, while most old BMWs from the 80s and early 90s show their age inside and out. An interesting statistic, the OLDEST cars on the road still being used for transportation, are Mercedes vehicles, a testament to their longevity.

I wasn't comparing headlight *technology*, yeah the Town Car uses a boring old 9007 bulb, just like a Caviler (Silver Stars tho!) But I was comparing the lens design.... personally I don't like modern (80's era+) composite type headlights with that deflection thing.... I just don't think it looks right... same with the'92-'97 Seville and '92+ Eldorado, IMO that really hurt the cars appearance (as much as headlights can) I think headlights on '90-'94 Town Cars look ugly for that reason.... same with the older Volvo's with the hug bugy type headlights....

thats all, I was just wondering why they went with that design, where as a jewel-style design would have just made the car look alot better, IMO.

So the 1990 Accord DID come with factory jewel style headlights? I've seen a few at the junkyard and kept thinking someone got them aftermarket and put them on their car... then I saw some on the road and thought the same thing... but it makes sense now.... thats really cool.

As far as the BMW thing... I honestly haven't given them much attention, probably cause of the type of following they have.... I think the 80's basic kinds are neat for a "drivers" car, like the one DaveSmed has, and in tech school, a freind had a '98 (IIRC) M3.... I rode in that a few times it was "nice" but I mean... I dunno, I really am not fond of the basic get-it-done interior of that era BMW/M-B.... he said the engine power those years wasn't all that high either... but it had a nice shifting transmission.

Playdrv4me
08-25-07, 06:54 PM
So the 1990 Accord DID come with factory jewel style headlights? I've seen a few at the junkyard and kept thinking someone got them aftermarket and put them on their car... then I saw some on the road and thought the same thing... but it makes sense now.... thats really cool..

Yup! the other car that was transformed by the jeweled headlight treatment was the 1993 Ford Taurus SE, those headlights made it look lightyears more modern than the garden variety Tauruses of the same year.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-25-07, 06:57 PM
Wow, people have a love for headlights? Wow. I guess I'm not one to talk though, when I was a kid, I had a thing for ceiling fans.

Night Wolf
08-25-07, 07:15 PM
I dunno, I guess I am weird that way... kinda like how the car looks lit up at night, and color choice of gauges plays a HUGE roll in if I like the car (the biggest reason why I wouldn't want a Pontiac or Infiniti)

I never noticed the jewel style lights on the Taurus though.... I did a Google search trying to comapre SE and regular... but nothing really came up...

Honestly, it was the same headlight treatment that even made me want a '95-'97 Town Car... I used to think this generation was just flat out ugly, but I was kinda blind to the '95 restyle, I only saw the '90-'94, and I coudln't stand the nose, and didn't like the interior... but when I test drive the '95 that my neighbor was selling, I saw the updated "organic" interior, that I did like, I saw the digital dash (that I never knew these cars had) and I really liked that... but most of all, they fixed the horrible nose into something that looks, IMO really good, while still keeping the look of the car....

I like the headlights on alot of new cars, I guess that is one thing on nw cars that I like alot. Headlights have gone from something in the past where the car was designed and the headlights were thrown in, cause all there was, was a square or circle sealed beam.... but now they are a major part of the cars styling, the way they flow with the car. but, when talking old cars, I like the quad headlight system... like pretty much all Caddys had, I think thats awesome, and even though they were basic rectangle shaped headlights, I like the style alot.... but the same can be said for the side by side round headlights on a '59, or the single round headlight of a '55, and the stacked round headlights of a '68..... ahhh it seems like Cadillac has always got the headlight thing correct...

I also really like the styling of Aimee's step moms '01? Mitsu Galant... I think it looks cool for a family sedan, but I like the headlight design.... which in turn kinda brings out more of the car to me.

Destroyer
08-25-07, 11:05 PM
I dunno, I guess I am weird that way... kinda like how the car looks lit up at night, and color choice of gauges plays a HUGE roll in if I like the car (the biggest reason why I wouldn't want a Pontiac or Infiniti)


Ok the way an '89 Brougham lights up at night simply has to be the most basic, boring setup ever nexted only by an old Isuzu dash. You really like all that digital crap in your Lincoln?. Looks like Darth Vaders bathroom. Seriously man, what have you got that is better than the stuff you are putting down?. :confused:

Playdrv4me
08-25-07, 11:35 PM
Wow, people have a love for headlights? Wow. I guess I'm not one to talk though, when I was a kid, I had a thing for ceiling fans.

Oh man, Headlights can *completely* make or break a car these days! Over and above my Xenon insanity, headlights in general have been a big deal to me since I was little. This is part of the reason I loved the 1990 Accord so much, at one point I had a big thing for flip-up headlights too...

Perfect example... my Range Rover. BMW transformed this plain old, dimly lit, 95-02 utilitarian headlight...

http://i20.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/b1/0c/8e02_1.JPG

Into THIS...

http://66.98.248.89/y2k-usa/05_LandRover_RR-HSE_sil_34_0993/MVC-002S.JPG

...An absolute work of art. The headlight is an entire design element unto ITSELF. Its like that cheesy Mohen commercial where the lady asks the designer to design an entire HOUSE around the faucet, headlights have alot of impact these days. Keep in mind, no utility was lost either. The new headlights are every bit as much, if not more useful than the ones they replaced on and off-road.

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 12:03 AM
Ok the way an '89 Brougham lights up at night simply has to be the most basic, boring setup ever nexted only by an old Isuzu dash. You really like all that digital crap in your Lincoln?. Looks like Darth Vaders bathroom. Seriously man, what have you got that is better than the stuff you are putting down?. :confused:

Alright man, sometimes I just don't get you.

There are times when you just flat you go out of your way to start something, right now would be one of them

Let me ask you this.... What am I putting down? Really, what? cause you just said "Seriously man, what have you got that is better than the stuff you are putting down?. "

I'm sorry, did I offend you when I said I do not like the way Pontiacs and Infinitis look at night? Is it wrong for me to now like a car that is lit up in complete red at night, when red is a color I don't like much to begin with? Same with the orange... I don't care much for orange lights.

Then, you insist on always bringing up my personal cars in no matter whatever the subject is... as if like "you just got a POS, you can't speak" You know what? I dunno about you, maybe you need to be in a really fancy car or talk down about other peoples stuff to make yourself feel better, but I don't need to do that. I have no problem driving around in a busted up '89 Brougham or a basic Isuzu truck, you say things like that as if I am ashamed of the vehicles I own and drive... sorry, I'm quite proud of all my vehicles, for all different reasons.

If you want to talk interior lights at night.... most boring? Atleast of what I've had, that would have to be my '89 Oldsmobile, it has simple blueish green lights behind the speedo, climate control levels, and radio.... that was it. Not even the headlight switch was lighted or anything.

Personally, I don't mind the '89 Brougha, interior at night. Classic Cadillac white, I like how the Cruise, wipers and light switch each has their own "box" that lights up, I like the speedo (and in the case of my '79, the high beam indicator was a Cadillac crest that lit up) the fuel gauge, climate control and radio all lit up and had their digital displays too... I don't mind the interior lights, especially the era that it was made in.

My Isuzu? Ah yes... I love comparing the cheapest of cheap, most basic Japaneese off-road trucks to high-end luxury cars :bigroll: But since you mentioned it, I'll talk a little about the Isuzu interior lights at night.

First up, they are green. The "satellite" buttons aside the gauge cluster, on the left for head lights, and on the right for wipers, each have their own icon/words that light up, the climate control panel lights up nicely, and of course the radio, then on the center consol there are 4 arrows that light up, represting the power mirror control. The Sunpro tach also has a light that lights up white numbers with redish orange needle. The cool thing was, behind the gauges was 2 194 bulbs that used a green sleeve over the bulb, and the speedo, temp and fuel gauge were somewhat inset from the cluster, so the light would shine thru around the edges, giving it a really neat glow at night, I really liked it.

But, I was fond of the green that much, so this is where the Isuzu really is cool at night, off ebay I bought a white face gauge kit (ricer!) cause at night it has an awesome indago blue color... it just looks soo awesome, I really like gauges like that, kinda like my friends old '01 Jetta, had nice gauges at night...

Well, my particular cluster set isn't on ebay right now, but this is what it looks like:

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/23000146/Images/1/RIG-335.jpg

So yes, I do quite like the way the Isuzu look at night.

Finally... the Lincoln.

Yes, I really like all that digital crap :) It is the best, and honestly, was one of the things that really pushed me into a Town Car... all the digital crap.... digital speedo is awesome, digital compass, digital temp and fuel gauges, digital message center, digital clock above the dash and the digital read out on the radio... along with interior lights all over in a really nice tealish blue color.

I like digital dashboards alot, Its a shame cars don't have them anymore, so I figured I want to enjoy it while I can in a car I like. I like digital dashboards so much that I converted my analog cluster in my Coupe over to digital.... heck, even Aimee's '92 Regal has a digital speedo, and thats cool.

I actually like the new Civic, in 2 door.... one of the reasons is cause of the interior, a digital speedometer, temp and fuel gauge, with an analog tachometer... how awesome? And the base model Civics light up blue at night, the Si lights up red at night... thats the only reason I would never have an Si if I were to get one... I like blue, I don't like red.

The interior lights and gauges in that '01 Jetta were what made me first like it alot.

The fighter-pilot red interior of all Pontiacs is what turns me away most, and also why I like the Sky over the Solstice, though the interior lights in that at night aren't too good.

I remember at our last Tampa meet, someone said the interior lights in a Mazda3 are awesome, and blue... I gotta see one... if its really nice, who knows, maybe a contender in the future if I want a small car... maybe the Mazda6 has the same type of lights, I've always liked that car....

So, yes, interior deisgn, gauge design, light, and light colors play a large role to me in a car.... actually the interior of a car means more to me then the outside... which is one of the reasons I like the 90's Cadillac tear-drop dashboard sooo much, that is, IMO the most awesome interior to be put in a car. Sadly for the '95 ETC that I like so much, the white backlight is kind of old (but better then orange or red!) and the guages are kinda plain... the '96+ gauges look nicer, but I like the layout of the ECC and FDC of the '95 better.

Digital dashes are awesome, its just something I've always liked in cars, and is one of the main things that won me over with even thinking about a Town Car.... that, and the fact it has a hood ornament, and a bench seat with column shift.... those are the main reasons why I went with the Town Car... from there I did research and they are quite reliable, parts are cheap and they are easy to work on.... and the fact that Florida is loaded with mint examples of them for next to nothing just made it a car I coudln't refuse. So thats my story :)

So, yes, I do like the Darth Vader bathroom, and infact, the overall interior design is what first got me into the FWD DeVille, but wanting a 2 door, I narrowed it down to '91-'93 Coupe DeVille... I like, and still really like the deisgn of this dash board, One of the things I really liked most was how the dash and "angled" at the driver, I thought that was aweomse, and I liked how the FDC and ECC were on each side of the steering wheel, right in reach of the driver and no one else, with just the radio in the middle of the dash keeping it clean and simple.... elegant interior design that I just really liked so much.... and thats why I like the '95 ETC type interior soo much, I like the ECC and FDC right next to the gauge cluster, I think thats awesome... I don't like when everything is spread out in the center..... which is another thing thats neat with the Town Car... steering wheel controls for the radio and climate control mean that with the unit being in the center, its still right at my finger tips :)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-deville-1985-2005-including-1985/16861d1137565695-so-coupe-before-pdr_1014.jpg

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 12:05 AM
Oh man, Headlights can *completely* make or break a car these days! Over and above my Xenon insanity, headlights in general have been a big deal to me since I was little. This is part of the reason I loved the 1990 Accord so much, at one point I had a big thing for flip-up headlights too...

Perfect example... my Range Rover. BMW transformed this plain old, dimly lit, 95-02 utilitarian headlight...

http://i20.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/b1/0c/8e02_1.JPG

Into THIS...

http://66.98.248.89/y2k-usa/05_LandRover_RR-HSE_sil_34_0993/MVC-002S.JPG

...An absolute work of art. The headlight is an entire design element unto ITSELF. Its like that cheesy Mohen commercial where the lady asks the designer to design an entire HOUSE around the faucet, headlights have alot of impact these days. Keep in mind, no utility was lost either. The new headlights are every bit as much, if not more useful than the ones they replaced on and off-road.

That is one of the best examples, that I always think of....

Same thing with the Discovery... the old refraction lens style just does nothing, but that new style.... man... its just awesome.

Heh, it seems like in the 80's and early 90's Honda had neat things going on with headlights... first the 80's Accord had the flip up headlights (I think are neat) then in 1990 they were first to have the jewel style.... then in '92? with the new Civic it just went back to being plain old and boring again....

Benzilla
08-26-07, 12:35 AM
So, the weekly cruise-in I go to had a black-on-black LWB S-class much like Chad's this week. I looked at it up close.... Well. The styling does almost nothing for me, I mean, it's a handsome car without a doubt! But I just don't see this magical glowing Mother-Mary-like presence that some of you do. It's a Benz, it's what Benz *calls* a big car. Although in all honesty it didn't attract near the amount of attention as my '90 Brougham d'Elegance did. I'm sorry. I'd really like to ride in one and see what the fuss is about. The only Benz I've been in was a late '90s E55 which I wasn't impressed with. Is the W140 that much different?

Basically, I'm very happy for you, it's quite an accomplishment to be 20 and trading Cadillacs and Mercedes'. I'm sure it's a fine daily-driver, hell, I thought about getting one. Then I went and sat in a 2007 DTS performance package. Vertical taillights and a crest on the wheel... my kind of car. But that's just me.

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 12:45 AM
So, the weekly cruise-in I go to had a black-on-black LWB S-class much like Chad's this week. I looked at it up close.... Well. The styling does almost nothing for me, I mean, it's a handsome car without a doubt! But I just don't see this magical glowing Mother-Mary-like presence that some of you do. It's a Benz, it's what Benz *calls* a big car. Although in all honesty it didn't attract near the amount of attention as my '90 Brougham d'Elegance did. I'm sorry. I'd really like to ride in one and see what the fuss is about. The only Benz I've been in was a late '90s E55 which I wasn't impressed with. Is the W140 that much different?

Basically, I'm very happy for you, it's quite an accomplishment to be 20 and trading Cadillacs and Mercedes'. I'm sure it's a fine daily-driver, hell, I thought about getting one. Then I went and sat in a 2007 DTS performance package. Vertical taillights and a crest on the wheel... my kind of car. But that's just me.

You are getting awfully close in joining I, and a couple others in getting flammed from a certain person because of your opinion, after which you'll be told why your car is a POS and that you are not worthy to have a negative opinion on a car with a higher MSRP then yours....

tho your opinion basically (exactly) sums up how I feel.....

Jesda
08-26-07, 12:58 AM
Ok the way an '89 Brougham lights up at night simply has to be the most basic, boring setup ever nexted only by an old Isuzu dash. You really like all that digital crap in your Lincoln?. Looks like Darth Vaders bathroom. Seriously man, what have you got that is better than the stuff you are putting down?. :confused:

I'm a big fan of digital crap. :) I grew up with basic Nissans and Datsuns in my family. Cushy seats and fancy gauges are as cool to me now as they were when I was 5. Of course, they aren't as timeless, but I still like them.

My favorite high tech gauges are in the Lexus LS, mid 90s Continental, and late 90s Seville.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 01:07 AM
Man!...you guys need to stop battling....this is Chads thread about his new car. If you want to start another one go ahead. Besides...nothing beats the interior of the Seville!....

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 01:11 AM
Man!...you guys need to stop battling....this is Chads thread about his new car. If you want to start another one go ahead. Besides...nothing beats the interior of the Seville!....

No, this was Chads thread that he went and drove a 6-cylinder W140.... Chads thread about his new car is called "Der Benz ist meiner!" which I think means The Benz is mine!

But you just told us to stop battling.... but then made a comment comparing an obvisouly inferrior car to the be-all-end-all mecca, thus doing what you said for us to not do..... you will be flammed upon by the almightly Destroyer.....


I'm a big fan of digital crap. I grew up with basic Nissans and Datsuns in my family. Cushy seats and fancy gauges are as cool to me now as they were when I was 5. Of course, they aren't as timeless, but I still like them.

My favorite high tech gauges are in the Lexus LS, mid 90s Continental, and late 90s Seville

Yey! Atleast 2 people here like the digital crap :)

derrty_deville
08-26-07, 01:19 AM
:horse::food-snacking:

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 01:22 AM
But you just told us to stop battling.... but then made a comment comparing an obvisouly inferrior car to the be-all-end-all mecca, thus doing what you said for us to not do..... you will be flammed upon by the almightly Destroyer.....


Thats ok....at least I can spell.....LOL

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 01:27 AM
But you just told us to stop battling.... but then made a comment comparing an obvisouly inferrior car to the be-all-end-all mecca, thus doing what you said for us to not do..... you will be flammed upon by the almightly Destroyer.....


Thats ok....at least I can spell.....LOL

Thats ok, I'm tired, sick, and a bit out of it from the medicene :)

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 01:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/zU6-cHLIvFk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlM8L5gP3ZE

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 01:33 AM
That's cool...my medicine's made by Anheuser-Busch...so I understand!!!!!!

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 01:35 AM
double post

derrty_deville
08-26-07, 01:39 AM
That's cool...my medicine's made by Anheuser-Busch...so I understand!!!!!!
Ricks medicine is made by AC Delco.:cookoo:

Playdrv4me
08-26-07, 01:41 AM
+1 for digital crap. Though nothing beats BMW's watch-face like orange gauges either.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-26-07, 01:42 AM
Come on guys, can we stop bickering? Have we nothing better to do on a Saturday night?

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 01:43 AM
Ricks medicine is made by AC Delco.:cookoo:

ummmmm :hmm:

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 01:44 AM
Come on guys, can we stop bickering? Have we nothing better to do on a Saturday night?

lol.... not really :(

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 01:46 AM
Derrty Deville....are you going to be at Chad's tomorrow?

derrty_deville
08-26-07, 01:47 AM
Come on guys, can we stop bickering? Have we nothing better to do on a Saturday night?
Not me. Cars are fixed, tools put away, and i didnt feel like doing an oil change. HBO and e-bickering is what I'm about right now.

derrty_deville
08-26-07, 01:51 AM
Derrty Deville....are you going to be at Chad's tomorrow?


Yep, not bringing the coupe out though. PS pump not too trustworthy and I may have another leak in the line and on top that I finished some work on the sedans stereo so I'll show up in that. I gotta get it washed and cleaned still though.

My first ride in a Benz happens tomorrow too.:thumbsup:

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 01:52 AM
We could all meet on Black Dog Road and have some fun!

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 01:57 AM
Come on guys, can we stop bickering? Have we nothing better to do on a Saturday night?

If I had your Benz...I'd be driving it!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-26-07, 02:02 AM
We could all meet on Black Dog Road and have some fun!

Good idea! See ya around noon! (And by around, I mean at)




My first ride in a Benz happens tomorrow too.:thumbsup:


Sweet, I get to take your "Benz virginity". Watch out, she's a big 'un.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 02:09 AM
[QUOTE=I~LUV~Caddys8792;1191755]Good idea! See ya around noon! (And by around, I mean at)

So what....We can't show up at your place at 9am for waffles?

derrty_deville
08-26-07, 02:10 AM
Noonish it is.

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 02:16 AM
This is how I am spending my Saturday night now.... freakin awesome!

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8eojPgtdI&mode=related&search skip first 30sec

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepgDORPurw&mode=related&search

part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01L8XIrxSNo&mode=related&search

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-26-07, 02:20 AM
Good idea! See ya around noon! (And by around, I mean at)

So what....We can't show up at your place at 9am for waffles?

Sure, but we're having pancakes tomorrow. And idk if it would be such a good idea for you to come, considering you work for Remax and my mom works for Coldwell Banker-Burnet. Probably some tension there.... :p

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 02:27 AM
This is how I am spending my Saturday night now.... freakin awesome!

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8eojPgtdI&mode=related&search skip first 30sec

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepgDORPurw&mode=related&search

The vids are great...but I didn't see anybody driving a Caddy...or even a Benz....Kyle needs to figure out whats really important!

MN-STS-LOVER
08-26-07, 02:29 AM
Sure, but we're having pancakes tomorrow. And idk if it would be such a good idea for you to come, considering you work for Remax and my mom works for Coldwell Banker-Burnet. Probably some tension there.... :p

Thats ok...us Realtors love to talk shop!

Cadillacboy
08-26-07, 05:16 AM
What about those headlights for W140 ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-99-MERCEDES-W140-S-CLASS-SMOKE-PROJECTOR-HEAD-LIGHTS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ004QQi temZ140149725365QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

96Fleetwood
08-26-07, 09:39 AM
Not a bad price, but I would rather save up for a set of staggered AMG monoblocks with some nice tires :thumbsup:

Night Wolf
08-26-07, 10:01 AM
What about those headlights for W140 ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-99-MERCEDES-W140-S-CLASS-SMOKE-PROJECTOR-HEAD-LIGHTS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ004QQi temZ140149725365QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

That would be awesome!

Not so sure I like the clear corner tho.... but thats what Chad needs to get, it'll look sharp on the beige!

derrty_deville
08-26-07, 10:25 AM
Is that even going to look anything but completely put of place with the color he has?