: Valve Train Ticking



mark460
08-14-07, 03:28 PM
I have a 94 Northstar with 170K miles. Is there a good way to stop a lifter from clacking? I hear the rockers are not adjustable, but could I replace a worn rocker and fucrum, mill a pedistal, or something? I have experience with conventional engines, but not the Northstar.

Thanks
Mark

wydopnthrtl
08-15-07, 01:07 PM
If it's truely a lifter ticking you'll just have to replace them. Or maybe try some marvels mystery oil.

Rich

jadcock
08-15-07, 01:23 PM
Mark, there are no rocker arms in your Northstar engine. The camshaft lobe directly operates the valve, through a bucket type hydraulic "lifter", which is really only a flat cam-follower in this application. Have you confirmed that the noise is in the top end? It could be something pretty benign like a wrist pin. Mine (2001) has an occassional light tapping/clicking at low speeds that can be heard outside the car. There is a TSB regarding the wrist pins that indicates that this is a "normal" condition. That may only apply to the 2000+ engines though.

mark460
08-16-07, 01:15 PM
Ok I wasn't thinking, no rocker arms, I was thinking old school engines. I haven't confirmed valve train noise. It does get a little worse when the engine gets really hot, like waiting in a traffic jam on a hot day. I can hear it outside the car with the hood closed.

Ranger
08-16-07, 02:30 PM
Are you sure it is internal and not an accessory bearing or such?

jackc
08-17-07, 08:40 AM
How loud is the noise? Is this a new problem, or something that's been there awhile?

FrankT
08-26-07, 09:21 AM
Could using the wrong engine oil for about 3k miles cause excessive camshaft wear?

My N* has 40K, I've always used Mobile blend 5k or 7.5K mile life oil 10w -30.
Now, the last oil change the wrong Mobil oil was used 5w-20. :duh:

Now the engine is ticking, I change the oil yesterday and used Mobil 1, 10w-30, the correct oil. The lifter tick now goes away after driving it for a few miles. I hope it goes away totally. Has this happened to anybody else?
Thanks, Frank

Submariner409
08-26-07, 11:52 AM
Running 5W-20 synthetic for a while, especially in Michigan, should not hurt anything. Actually it would be similar to running a light-bodied oil additive (MMO) for a few thousand miles. Doesn't your manual specify 5W-30 oils? Do a Google for "motor oil GM recommended" or close to that. Very eye-opening.

FrankT
08-26-07, 12:26 PM
Hey submariner409, thanks for the reply, that's a relief knowing I didn't damage the camshafts. The manual recommends 10w-30 and that's what I've been using all along until the last oil change.
Do you think this damn tick will go away or do you think is a stuck/worn lifer? Wait, I can answer that, only time will tell.:D
Thanks, Frank

FrankT
08-27-07, 10:16 AM
I bet this is my problem.
Engine Cold/Knock/Tick Noise (Clean Deposits) #99-06-01-010C - (11/11/2003)
Some customers may comment about a tick/knock noise, sometimes described as an upper engine ticking noise or a deep low knock that sounds similar to a main bearing knock. This noise is more often heard during engine start up after a long cold soak condition and may or may not diminish as the engine reaches normal operating temperature. The knock may appear to be the loudest at the exhaust manifolds on either side or both. This noise does not change when disconnecting spark plug wires, or individually disabling the fuel injectors. As a general rule, the source of this noise cannot be determine

So, do a top end clean and drive it like you stole it. I baby this car too much!

Ranger
08-27-07, 10:24 AM
Frank,
Do a search for "Cold Carbon Rap". Then take it out and flog it. My '97 developed the cold carbon rap and it sounded just like collapsed lifters. Went away 60 seconds or so after start up. A good WOT treatment cured it. Now I do it about once a month.

jh225
08-27-07, 09:20 PM
Frank,
Do a search for "Cold Carbon Rap". Then take it out and flog it. My '97 developed the cold carbon rap and it sounded just like collapsed lifters. Went away 60 seconds or so after start up. A good WOT treatment cured it. Now I do it about once a month.

I have only driven my Dville about 200 miles since I aquired it from an old lady w/60K miles, and have noticed that it was ticking at start up.

I bought the GM TEC but have not had time to put it in yet. I drove the car today and decided to see what would happen if I stomped on it.

Well...............30 mph, dropped it into 3rd, and jumped on it. 2 huge puffs of black soot came out of the dual pipes. Took it up to 70 and backed down.

Tried it again and got nothing out of the pipes.

I will check in the AM to see if the ticking cleared up. Just might have done the trick.

Submariner409
08-27-07, 09:36 PM
:thumbsup: Don't be afraid to run the snot out of the car once in a while. A N* is NOT an "around town" engine. Curiously, the harder you run it on a country road trip once in a while, the less error codes it will set. The ENTIRE N* engine management system is so sensitive that a difference of a half volt or 10 rpm will trigger codes a-poppin'. ((BigBrother is watching you.........(Orwell, 1984))).

Ranger
08-28-07, 12:53 AM
Well...............30 mph, dropped it into 3rd, and jumped on it. 2 huge puffs of black soot came out of the dual pipes. Took it up to 70 and backed down.
Do it in 2nd gear till you see no more carbon from the tail pipes.

FrankT
09-02-07, 10:25 AM
Well, I should've known better, but all I could think of was the previous oil change and putting the wrong oil in my N*, since that's when all the clattering / ticking noise started. The ticking noise was just a coincidence. I was planning on doing a top end clean soon, but, after some WOT's and 2nd gear decel's the ticking noise is gone.:thumbsup:

It sounded just like collapsed lifters.
Thanks Ranger and submainer! points!

AJxtcman
09-02-07, 11:23 AM
Well, I should've known better, but all I could think of was the previous oil change and putting the wrong oil in my N*, since that's when all the clattering / ticking noise started. The ticking noise was just a coincidence. I was planning on doing a top end clean soon, but, after some WOT's and 2nd gear decel's the ticking noise is gone.:thumbsup:

It sounded just like collapsed lifters.
Thanks Ranger and submainer! points!

Frank take a look at this thread. I posted information from the techlink also.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/northstar-performance-technical-discussion/94113-light-knocking-does-not-go-away.html

FrankT
09-02-07, 08:28 PM
AJxtcman,
Thanks for posting that months Techlink. I'm very failure with the Techlink mag, it's a good source for technical information, I happen to miss the one you posted above. I'm glad they mentioned the part of not adding certain chemicals to the gas tank, as they may destroy your fuel pump.
Good work! :D

Now, I no sooner post the fix to my ticking, I then walk out to my Caddy and guess what? There's a puddle of coolant under the front of my Cad! Probably the radiator. :mad:

So, if you weren't so far away, you could have a possible side Job! :yup:

Ranger
09-02-07, 09:15 PM
I think she is just craving attention Frank. Have you been neglecting her?

FrankT
09-02-07, 10:30 PM
I think she is just craving attention Frank. Have you been neglecting her?
Hummm lets see, within the last week and half Mobil 1 oil change, 2 hand washes, an engine compartment clean, vacumm, and a few WOT's, I still need to the clean the windows tho.
But, I've been driving the 68 GTO on weekends.

So, I think she's jealous of the GTO and upset about the dirty windows.

Ranger
09-02-07, 10:32 PM
I think you've nailed it.

FrankT
09-10-07, 10:33 PM
Fix for coolant leak.
Well, I lucked out again on the coolant leak, one of the metal tubes going to the alternator had a pin hole because it was rusted. I made a new line out of 3/8" steel tube and replace both 3/8" rubber lines with new clamps. So I am :) again.