: Video test drive review: 1995 Mercedes Benz S500.



I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-10-07, 04:56 PM
I have been looking to drive one of these for years, and after my conversation with my father last week about a new car (yes, german cars are finally ok!), I decided it was time to get my feet wet in the german pool. I searched autotrader and carsoup for any W140 S Class in my area, whether it was the Inline 6 powered S320 or V8 powered S420 or S500. I found examples of all, but I found a '95 S 500 with 72k miles, for $8900 at a small used car lot (actually, they take cars that have been taken by insurance companies, for whatever reason, fix them up and repair them), this one was a flood salvage car.

I get out there, ask the salesman where the car is located at, and it's in their backlot, so I walk back there, and see a Benz from that same era that's also black, so I figure that it's it. It wasn't, it was a W124 E Class, but I keep walking and what do I find?! A 1979 Continental Mark V! It was unlocked, so I sat in it and played with the seats and stuff. Nice car, could totally see myself in a '70s Lincoln, especially a Mark Series, but the IV is still my #1 choice based purely on exterior aesthetics. I asked to take that V out for a spin, but it wasn't for sale. :/ Oh well, atleast I got to sit in it.

So I got the keys to the W140 and was let free.
Exterior Design: 9.5/10
The W140s, to me, are probably the best looking European car ever. Either those or the W126 Benzes. I like blocky cars, and you don't see a lot of european cars anymore that are as blocky as these. The proportions done extremely well...the hood is long, but not too long, and the rear deck fits in very well with the design. I read these cars have an extremely low coefficent of drag, even though they're so blocky..german engineering for you. Anyways, great looking cars.

Interior design: 9/10
Sitting behind the wheel, the first thing I noticed was the high dashboard, atleast in comparison to my '92. But on the plus side, the guages are right in your line of sight, so you don't have to keep looking down to see your speed. The interior has a logical feel to it, everythings done for a purpose, and it's got a very "quality" feel to it. The materials are superb, there are no rattles or clunks or anything when driving...everything is tight and superb. The only thing I didn't like about the dashboard was the enormous steering wheel, and how that got in the way of a clear sight to some of the guages (fuel and the analog clock), oh, and I can not figure out what the oil guage is saying...it says 0....1...2..3. I assume it's an oil pressure guage and 0 is low oil pressure and 3 is relatively high. And lastly, Cadillacs fuel economy display is a MUCH better setup, on our cars, there's a digital display that gives, instant, average, fuel used and range. The W140 only has instant, and it's not instant lol. If for example, you're coasting and nail the throttle real quickly, the guage won't move at all. Kinda defeats the purpose eh?

Other than those minor things, I was very impressed with the interior setup. The seats were firm but comfortable, adjusted more ways than I'd ever need. The radio was superb, no distortion, good base, real tight sound to it, no matter how loud it was. There was loads of burl walnut used to decorate the interior, but it never felt overdone or tacky, just rich and elegant. Some of the controls were tough to use though, and that's only because they had those odd pictograms on it, not the words like in american cars. It had that dual zone A/C and that worked wonderfully, and I like having the wheels to adjust the temp and fan speed, better than buttons IMO. IIRC, it had a seperate rear HVAC control too, but I didn't spend much time in the backseat. Which, by the way was superb. The seatback cradled you in the seat, and wasn't totally flat like I'm used to. It was very comfortable, and I think it adjusted too! Either that or it was heated, can't remember. There was probably more legroom in the back of that Benz than there is in my deVille, I'm not kidding! And it had the drop-down mirrors for the rear seat occupants, just like the Fleetwood Broughams!

Overall, a very, very nice interior setup.


Driving impressions:

Engine/Transmission/Performance: 9/10
The engine is rated at 315 hp and 347 lb/ft of torque, and it's plenty fast, but only in the higher RPMs. Around town, and from a stop, the power isn't there, but that's the norm in DOHC V8's. It's an extremely smooth V8, much more so than any GM V8 I've felt, save for the Northstar. As you'll see in my video, acceleration from a roll is quite good, but I think an L37 Northstar would be quicker, especially on the highway. M-B quotes the 0-60 time for the S500 at 7.2 seconds, which is like .3-.5 seconds behind an early Northstar STS or ETC. It's fast and subdued, you don't ever really hear the engine working, it's just there, silent.

The tranny is different, it's not as quick to downshift as the GM trannys I'm used to, but just like the engine, it's extremely smooth and when you go to kick it down into passing gear, it goes!


Suspension/Steering: 9/10
The suspension sorta reminds me of a german Town Car. It's quite stiff, but probably not as quite as stiff as a 7 series, but it's quite comfortable. It's kinda bumpy at highway speeds....think of it trying to float but being over ruled by the german stiff ride. (does that make any sense?) It rides smoother than that 93 STS I drove a while back....probably rides a lot like a late model DTS.

Otherwise, the steering is magnificent. It's not firm, but man oh man does it offer feedback! It communicates wonderfully with the road...you know exactly what's going on down there, but it never feels harsh or rough. Probably the best steering I've ever felt.


Overall, I give it 93/100.

I'd love to pick one of these up, even if it's not totally perfect. I'd try to get a 1997-99 though, after they changed the wheel design to the style I like more. And I've always wondered how I'd feel driving a Mercedes...I say it fits pretty well and I don't feel out of place in it at all like I thought I would.


Sitting in the 1979 Mark V:
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Getting into the S500:
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Starting up the S500:
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25-70 in the S500:
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Overall review of the S500:
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Playdrv4me
08-10-07, 05:24 PM
Terrific review!

That car is recognized all over the world as the gold standard of Presidential style rides, that particular body style is highly soughtafter.

Are you sure the 95 5.0L was 315hp though? The 2000 S500 I was looking at is rated at 302, as are the E500s.

Lord Cadillac
08-10-07, 05:37 PM
Thanks, Chad! Great review! I'm a fan of those years as well. I like big, boxy cars..

Night Wolf
08-10-07, 05:39 PM
I was never into the cheap-looking interior... I dunno, maybe it's different in person, but it all looks like alot of bland hard plastic.... and the buttons to control everything, and the climate control... all the same squares, it just kinda runs into each other.

I dunno, in comparison you look at a 1995 STS and it just looks a whole lot more welcoming and user-friendly inside.... and cooler :) Even my '96 Town Car has a more welcoming interior.... I dunno... what it would be considered..... looks kinda industrial tho.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-10-07, 05:40 PM
Sitting in that Mark V was like sitting in a beanbag, on top of a waterbed.

The seats (especially the rears) had no support what so ever, but were soooo comfy....so plush! And there's something about those big silver guages and giant cartier clock that really pleases me. This car has so much class and personality to it. I'd definitely rock a '70s Mark Lincoln, but I'd still pick the IV first.

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MN-STS-LOVER
08-10-07, 05:40 PM
Sweet ride...Iv'e always loved the Benz....that one is one of my favorites...just looks rich and big. But if you think your Caddy is expensive to fix....just watch out! It is though the only other luxury ride I would own.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-10-07, 05:44 PM
Wow..I'm groovin on the CD mic hook screwed into the dash!....takes me way back!

Playdrv4me
08-10-07, 05:47 PM
So the question is, do you want one (S500)?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-10-07, 05:47 PM
Sweet ride...Iv'e always loved the Benz....that one is one of my favorites...just looks rich and big. But if you think your Caddy is expensive to fix....just watch out! It is though the only other luxury ride I would own.

Yeah, and that's what I'm trying to figure out. Is a Mercedes enough of an improvement over a Cadillac to justify the much higher repair/maintenance costs?




Are you sure the 95 5.0L was 315hp though? The 2000 S500 I was looking at is rated at 302, as are the E500s.

Yeah, the 1995 S Class brochure I have states it's 315hp and 347 lb/ft.

MN-STS-LOVER
08-10-07, 05:54 PM
And you think its tough getting a race in the Caddy, most people don't even think of a Benz as fast..and they don't think the driver will run!

MN-STS-LOVER
08-10-07, 05:57 PM
If you get the Benz, I'd be honored to be your first kill!

MN-STS-LOVER
08-10-07, 06:04 PM
posted this...seems it didn't go: If you get the Benz, I would be honored to be your first kill!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-10-07, 06:05 PM
My dad just came down and talked to me about this situation. He said there's a really small timeframe with my car when everthing is working so I can sell it without any troubles, and I don't have any troubles now. He wants me to sell my '92 on here (that's the route I would go with) and take the money from that and what I've got in my account and use that towards the down payment for whatever's next. I showed him this Benz and he didn't say no to the W140s, but he wasn't sure If I could afford the maintenance/repair/insurance costs, but he told me to check into parts prices to see how it stands up against the Caddy. He declined this particular S500 because it's a flood car, but I think he'd be ok with a newer (98-99) if it wasn't a flood car. I told him about the BMW I'm thinking about too, and he said they might be cheaper to own, but not by much, and they'd probably be more expensive to insure than the Benz, because of their more sporty nature.

So him and I started looking at Caddys newer than 2000 (he wants me in something newer than 2000), he suggested the Escalade, but I declined that, but I brought up some Sevilles and Eldorados on Carsoup in my area, he ok'd those because they're newer and still cheaper to maintain than a BMW or Benz, and he agreed with me when I told him I would get a warranty with any Northstar.

Playdrv4me
08-10-07, 06:18 PM
97 S320.

It may not be fast, but it sure is cheaper to maintain than the top dog 500/600.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-10-07, 06:38 PM
97 S320.

It may not be fast, but it sure is cheaper to maintain than the top dog 500/600.

Hmmm...I'll have to drive one to see how much of a difference there is between an S500 and S320. When you say it's a lot cheaper to maintain, what do you mean? Just because it's missing two cylinders? Or are there a lot of expensive, complicated systems that the 500/600 had that the S320 didn't?

Would an S420 be a nice medium between the performance of the 500 and 600 and the economy of the 320?


So the question is, do you want one (S500)?

Does a bear shit in the woods? LOL!

ted tcb
08-10-07, 09:59 PM
Keep the reviews coming, they're highly entertaining.

One question ... after you've spent time driving these vehicles, I wouldn't mind hearing what the salesperson experience
was like. Do they pressure you, hype the car, offer further discounts, etc? Do they try and peg a trade in value on your Deville?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-10-07, 10:29 PM
Keep the reviews coming, they're highly entertaining.

One question ... after you've spent time driving these vehicles, I wouldn't mind hearing what the salesperson experience
was like. Do they pressure you, hype the car, offer further discounts, etc? Do they try and peg a trade in value on your Deville?

Thanks. I've only gotten hounded once, and that was at a B/P/GMC dealer when I was looking at a Regal GS. When I went in there, I told that sales person that I was just looking and wasn't ready to purchase or trade my old one in, but even then, after I returned from the test drive, he took my keys to appraise my car, and then made me sit around the dealership for another 45 minutes before I could talk to someone in finance about numbers and stuff. When I got into Finance, I explained what happened and my situation and he let me go and apologized for the salesperson's wrong doing. I literally ran out of that dealer and sped out of the lot, lol.

No, but at this place, I returned from the test drive, gave the salesman back the key and told him I'd think about it and give him a call back, thanked him and left. Couldn't have gone down any smoother.

A few more videos:

Ben, this is for you:
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Exterior Walkaround.
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I was never into the cheap-looking interior... I dunno, maybe it's different in person, but it all looks like alot of bland hard plastic.... and the buttons to control everything, and the climate control... all the same squares, it just kinda runs into each other.

I dunno, in comparison you look at a 1995 STS and it just looks a whole lot more welcoming and user-friendly inside.... and cooler :) Even my '96 Town Car has a more welcoming interior.... I dunno... what it would be considered..... looks kinda industrial tho.

Oh trust me, that interior isn't cheap at all, the materials are all top notch and the build quality is fabulous.

German cars don't exactly have the most welcoming interiors, they're always kinda cold and clinical (businesslike?) in comparison to the interiors from American luxury cars, but the new Audi interiors are much more warm and inviting than the ones in the older BMW's and Benzes, this one included.

Night Wolf
08-11-07, 01:02 AM
Oh trust me, that interior isn't cheap at all, the materials are all top notch and the build quality is fabulous.

German cars don't exactly have the most welcoming interiors, they're always kinda cold and clinical (businesslike?) in comparison to the interiors from American luxury cars, but the new Audi interiors are much more warm and inviting than the ones in the older BMW's and Benzes, this one included.

Yeah, thats what I just don't get... same with BMW... I'm sure the interior quality IS nice...

but looking at them from pictures and the video... it honestly dosn't look much better then pictures of the '90's GM "rubbermaid" interiors, and all the blocky square buttons for the climate control and stuff.... I know the European drivers love that, and all the mags, which favor all imports love them too.... I just don't get it, it dosn't appeal to me.

Because the interior of a car is really important to me, I dunno if I could ever own one of them... I'd have to spend some good time in one driving it around to see if it fits me.

Same with the W126 Benz, I really like those cars, outside styling is great... but the interior, IMO is just really lacking, I think thats why I don't have one now.... compared to an 80's Fleetwood Brougham, its just so different, the Caddy is very inviting and warm, yet the Benz kinda pushes you away... I dunno how to say it.... and the Caddy was already running a somewhat out-dated interior. I wasn't a fan of the gauge style either.... it looks like there wasn't much thought that went into the gauges, and the yellow needles, not my style either... tho its something I could get over if needed... its still there. But even the door panels and everything... guess I am just used to the American luxury car style.

Don't get me wrong, the W126 and the W140 (126 still being my favorite tho) are really good cars.... they just have a really iffy interior IMO, I'm sure alot of people really like them, and feel the exact oppisite as me tho.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-11-07, 08:31 AM
And that's understandable Rick, a lot of people don't like the german's colder, more sterile interiors. I didn't for a long while too, and the W140/126 is really one of the only ones from an "older" German car that I do really like.

Cadillacboy
08-11-07, 11:23 AM
Thanks for the reviews as well as the videos :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-11-07, 12:00 PM
Thanks everyone, I'm glad to hear you like my reviews. The positive feedback makes it all worth while.

Cadillacboy
08-11-07, 02:16 PM
Reading your reviews is like reading Winding Road reviews :) I also like your marking

Playdrv4me
08-11-07, 03:07 PM
its not the number of cylinders per se.. but i just know the 3.2 to be one of the most reliable engines mb ever produced. i know countless people who swear by that v6. the 5.0 is good too, but the 3.2 is my choice. only other major concern is a/c, evap can only be accessed via dash removal $$$. sorry for the shorthand... on the train again

Krashed989
08-11-07, 03:11 PM
I too really like the S500 though there are a couple areas that need improvement with it. The electronically adjustable headrests fail pretty quickly. And after a while the fan clutch on the waterpump pulley will not hold very good, but it's easily fixable by taking the fan off and bending the springs for the clutch a bit so the clutch plate is out more.

Did you check out the windshield wipers? That oscillating wiper is pretty cool.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-11-07, 03:50 PM
Yeah, I used the wipers. I thought it was wierd because they sweep left to right, not right to left like in the american cars.

77CDV
08-11-07, 04:06 PM
I think a big problem with the German interiors is that they're usually black or dark grey. They're much better when they're beige, makes the cabin feel more airy, too. I'll never understand, though, why foreign cars feel they need a beltline high enough to tickle your nostrils.

Jesda
08-11-07, 05:07 PM
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"BUY IT AND FORGET IT!" is the way most American cars are maintained. German cars need attention to adhere to factory specifications. They're like an algebraic formula -- if you change one variable the rest are all out of whack and the whole thing is ruined. But when its right, its SO right.

Night Wolf
08-11-07, 05:47 PM
its not the number of cylinders per se.. but i just know the 3.2 to be one of the most reliable engines mb ever produced. i know countless people who swear by that v6. the 5.0 is good too, but the 3.2 is my choice. only other major concern is a/c, evap can only be accessed via dash removal $$$. sorry for the shorthand... on the train again

Hmmm, so its kinda like replacing a heater core or blend door actuator on a Town Car then? :rant2:

Night Wolf
08-11-07, 05:50 PM
I think a big problem with the German interiors is that they're usually black or dark grey. They're much better when they're beige, makes the cabin feel more airy, too. I'll never understand, though, why foreign cars feel they need a beltline high enough to tickle your nostrils.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, the black does kinda kill it...

but then in the same note, a black interior on an Ameircan luxury car is really awesome... 90's Fleetwood Brougham or Seville STS/Eldorado ETC/DeVille etc... the black with wood just looks sooo nice.

Its almost like extreme oppisites when comparing such cars.

Night Wolf
08-11-07, 05:52 PM
http://www.resnet.trinity.edu/jhierhol/3344/p2/popeil.JPG
"BUY IT AND FORGET IT!" is the way most American cars are maintained. German cars need attention to adhere to factory specifications. They're like an algebraic formula -- if you change one variable the rest are all out of whack and the whole thing is ruined. But when its right, its SO right.

Heh, sadly that is entirely true.... previous owner of my Town Car (2nd owner) musta lived by that statement...

Jonas McFeely
08-11-07, 07:12 PM
http://www.resnet.trinity.edu/jhierhol/3344/p2/popeil.JPG
"BUY IT AND FORGET IT!" is the way most American cars are maintained. German cars need attention to adhere to factory specifications. They're like an algebraic formula -- if you change one variable the rest are all out of whack and the whole thing is ruined. But when its right, its SO right.


I <3 POPEIL!

And Chad, those S500s are sick. My favorite Mercedes. I hate German cars, but would drive one of those. Stick with a Caddy though.

96Fleetwood
08-11-07, 08:31 PM
its not the number of cylinders per se.. but i just know the 3.2 to be one of the most reliable engines mb ever produced. i know countless people who swear by that v6. the 5.0 is good too, but the 3.2 is my choice. only other major concern is a/c, evap can only be accessed via dash removal $$$. sorry for the shorthand... on the train again


I totally agree! Very wise words. The S320 also makes better gas mileage and still has that classic beautiful body you love. It also lacks the leveling suspension the 420/500/600 has.

Put a set of AMG monoblock wheels and you will be golden. I wish I had the funds to buy the '98 S600 my parents sold last year :(.

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I agree in getting a '97-99 because the updated tails, headlights, wheels, and body cladding.

As to a S class vs. 7 series vs. 2000 and up Cadillac.. hmmmm The 2000 and up Cadillacs will be fully loaded, just imagine a loaded up DTS with nightvision, nav, and moonroof! So it is a toss up, you can have a newer Cadillac or a older german luxo barge? A very tough call IMO.

Playdrv4me
08-11-07, 08:37 PM
man your pop's s600 was just orgasm in a can... best example of the 600 ive ever seen.

96Fleetwood
08-11-07, 08:43 PM
man your pop's s600 was just orgasm in a can... best example of the 600 ive ever seen.

They sold it for $23 K too :( At least I know where the car is, it is in Richmond, VA owned by a well known Vascular Surgeon :thumbsup:

Funny thing is if you check the values of a '97-99 S500 vs. a S600, they are almost worth the same! The S600 cost $40K more than the S500 new.. but I guess the maintenance costs in the long run make the 600 depreciate even faster...

77CDV
08-11-07, 09:25 PM
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, the black does kinda kill it...

but then in the same note, a black interior on an Ameircan luxury car is really awesome... 90's Fleetwood Brougham or Seville STS/Eldorado ETC/DeVille etc... the black with wood just looks sooo nice.

Its almost like extreme oppisites when comparing such cars.

I have to disagree. Dark interiors do nothing for me on any car UNLESS it's an American luxury car AND a VELOUR interior in dark blue or dark red. Then it's very very. This coming from someone who had a car with a dark blue leather interior. It was OK, but dove grey would have been better and classier with the black sapphire exterior the car had. A black interior is out under any circumstance for me. Just looks cheap IMO.

Night Wolf
08-11-07, 09:48 PM
I have to disagree. Dark interiors do nothing for me on any car UNLESS it's an American luxury car AND a VELOUR interior in dark blue or dark red. Then it's very very. This coming from someone who had a car with a dark blue leather interior. It was OK, but dove grey would have been better and classier with the black sapphire exterior the car had. A black interior is out under any circumstance for me. Just looks cheap IMO.

Isn't that what I said? black interiors look good on American luxury cars?

I don't like any sort of a blue interior... red is ok, but it has to be a dark red, and I don't like red leather.... both my '79 DeVille and '89 Olds had a red interior... actually wasn't as bad as I thought it was, and I didn't mind it.

I like neutral colors, tans and greys.... and it seems thats ALL cars have now, which kinda stinks, and I hope its not just a fad or something, cause I do like it alot.

My Town Car has the "designer" chrcoal/ivory interior, I like the charcoal a lot, personally tho the ivory is a little too.... cream colored, I would prefer a more tan color, or a lighter grey, I think that would be awesome.... but, it is what it is, so ah well.

I still Town Car's like mine with the light/.dark grey interior combo, and it just pops right out... looks soo nice, I like it alot... but... that is the same color that most all new cars are, so it pops out at you, but it really dosn't stand out from the rest... where as my Town Car interior does stand out... not something you normally see, I like that... but still.

I have thought about switching it over, but then my Isuzu has a grey interior (as they all, and the rest of Japaneese cars from that era had) although very few had an optional red interior (Rodeo and Trooper) which is odd... I don't like it.... but also the Caddy has a grey interior, which I like alot, and ages well... I really don't want 3 cars with a grey interior, so the Lincoln stays the same.

My Coupe had a nice tan/grey (neutral shale) interior... but, I noticed the tan seemed to be changing to a more creamish color too, kinda like what the Lincoln has now, and I didn't like that... for that car, my favorite color was the two-tone... Taupe I think? it just looked really fresh... I liked it alot... also black in those cars looked good too.

Destroyer
08-12-07, 07:47 PM
it honestly dosn't look much better then pictures of the '90's GM "rubbermaid" interiors, and all the blocky square buttons for the climate control and stuff.... I know the European drivers love that, and all the mags, which favor all imports love them too.... I just don't get it, it dosn't appeal to me.


Same with the W126 Benz, I really like those cars, outside styling is great... but the interior, IMO is just really lacking, I think thats why I don't have one now.... compared to an 80's Fleetwood Brougham, its just so different, the Caddy is very inviting and warm
I love old Broughams and Town cars are ok but neither should be compared with a W140, especially where the interior is concerned. Just cause it doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy inside like perhaps a '72 Pinto with a plaid interior would doesn't make it cheap or cheap looking. I and others here have owned these cars and we have owned Cadillacs. I appreciate and like them all but as far as materials; craftsmanship; ergnomics and overall quality feel goes, there is no comparison. The big Benz wins hands down. I loved my Broughams but seriously, can anyone say they feel "high quality". My '91 and '87 Broughams felt no better or worse than any Gbody or big body GM I have ever owned. Yes a Fleetwood Brougham feels no better than an old Caprice, Monte carlo, cutlass or what have you.

Night Wolf
08-12-07, 08:16 PM
I love old Broughams and Town cars are ok but neither should be compared with a W140, especially where the interior is concerned. Just cause it doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy inside like perhaps a '72 Pinto with a plaid interior would doesn't make it cheap or cheap looking. I and others here have owned these cars and we have owned Cadillacs. I appreciate and like them all but as far as materials; craftsmanship; ergnomics and overall quality feel goes, there is no comparison. The big Benz wins hands down. I loved my Broughams but seriously, can anyone say they feel "high quality". My '91 and '87 Broughams felt no better or worse than any Gbody or big body GM I have ever owned. Yes a Fleetwood Brougham feels no better than an old Caprice, Monte carlo, cutlass or what have you.

I am not saying the build quality is cheap or the materials are bad... I honestly don't know, never spent much time in one.

But just from looking at pictures of them, thats just how it seems to me.... but I don't like the overall design and layout of those interiors compared with American luxury car interiors of the same era.... thats all.

I'm sure the quality is there, but I just don't like the end result of what you see when you open the door.... I dunno if that makes sense or not.

But, IMO the 90's Cadillac tear-drop dash interior is still, IMO one of the best interiors ever put in a car.... espeically, say, a 1995 ETC... that is almost a near perfect layout and design, IMO.

Destroyer
08-12-07, 09:02 PM
I am not saying the build quality is cheap or the materials are bad... I honestly don't know, never spent much time in one.

But just from looking at pictures of them, thats just how it seems to me.... but I don't like the overall design and layout of those interiors compared with American luxury car interiors of the same era.... thats all.

I'm sure the quality is there, but I just don't like the end result of what you see when you open the door.... I dunno if that makes sense or not.

The overall layout and design is classic Benz. Not much different than a W124/126 in design but more modern and nicer feel. I know what you are trying to convey though. I think the word is "austere". German cars feel more "business like" and they take function over warm and fuzzy. To some people that business like feel makes them warm and fuzzy though. My '97 S320LWB had a light tan leather with slightly darker tan (not brown)accents and the wood trim. Actually felt very inviting and very luxurious. I loved my W140. Definately the best car I've owned in terms of luxury and overall drive. The suspension on the highway was a dream, the steering had great input. A luxury barge it was but also a wonderful driver. If a Mercedes has an austere interior then it could be said that a full size Cadillac/Lincoln has an austere feel driving down the road. :thumbsup:

Jonas McFeely
08-12-07, 09:22 PM
BMW and Mercedes leather smells like anus.

Playdrv4me
08-12-07, 09:26 PM
BMW and Mercedes leather smells like anus.

It's an acquired taste...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-12-07, 10:01 PM
BMW and Mercedes leather smells like anus.

I didn't smell anything.


My '97 S320LWB had a light tan leather with slightly darker tan (not brown)accents and the wood trim. Actually felt very inviting and very luxurious. I loved my W140. Definately the best car I've owned in terms of luxury and overall drive. The suspension on the highway was a dream, the steering had great input. A luxury barge it was but also a wonderful driver.

Ah yes, the S320...probably the most logical S Class for me to buy. Now the power that these make isn't on par with a V8 version, but according to the numbers posted in the brochures, it seems like it'd have decent power. How was it in your opinion?

Destroyer
08-12-07, 10:17 PM
BMW and Mercedes leather smells like anus.
You sure you wiped good and had deodorant on when you sat in them?. I used to be almost 300lbs years ago and I have to admit now that it was me that smelled like ass most of the time that I thought it was something else that smelled like ass. Not saying you smell like ass cause I never smelled you or anything but, ahh, nevermind.

I didn't smell anything.



Ah yes, the S320...probably the most logical S Class for me to buy. Now the power that these make isn't on par with a V8 version, but according to the numbers posted in the brochures, it seems like it'd have decent power. How was it in your opinion?Off the line it wasn't very exciting but not bad. It could certainly keep up with traffic just fine. On the highway though it felt downright quick. It is the easiest of the W140's to work on and because of that it is one of the cheapest to have fixed. Its a straight 6 so there is plenty of room on each side of it. I have to tell you though that head gaskets are an issue with these otherwise bulletproof motors. That is the bad news, the good news is that its only a $600-$700 repair because its not that difficult to do in this car. Unlike a Northstar Caddy where it could cost well over $3-$4k.

Jonas McFeely
08-12-07, 10:37 PM
You sure you wiped good and had deodorant on when you sat in them?. I used to be almost 300lbs years ago and I have to admit now that it was me that smelled like ass most of the time that I thought it was something else that smelled like ass. Not saying you smell like ass cause I never smelled you or anything but, ahh, nevermind.



Even after the longest of long days at work in 100+ degree heat and 100% humidity, sweating my ass off in the warehouse, could still not compare to stank ass leather in a Mercedes or BMW. I guess its an acquired smell. But so are your own farts.

And no im not a stinky person. Ass hat. :thepan:

Destroyer
08-12-07, 10:52 PM
Even after the longest of long days at work in 100+ degree heat and 100% humidity, sweating my ass off in the warehouse, could still not compare to stank ass leather in a Mercedes or BMW. I guess its an acquired smell. But so are your own farts.

And no im not a stinky person. Ass hat. :thepan:Are you trying to tell me that my Benz smelled worse than a 300lb sweaty dude in 100+degree heat and 100% humidity that sweated his ass off in a warehouse after a long day of work?. A person CANNOT aquire that kind of smell and my car certainly didn't smell like that or worse than that!.

Ok lets start over. A stinky person doesn't realize he/she is stinky until they are no longer stinky. After they become non stinky they can think back and realize that they were once stinky. So if said stinky person goes in a hot car and turns on the A/C or something and some of the stinkiness goes around the car and the stinky person smells the stink, he or she may assume its the car and not themselves cause they dont think they are stinky to begin with (even though they are). Know what I mean?:alchi:

Jonas McFeely
08-12-07, 11:08 PM
Has nothing to do with me. I drove over 100+ various Mercedes and BMW of ranging from late '80s to '06s. Most of them had the exact same smell. Its just a weird stinky pungent smell. Its the leather they use. It just smells aweful in my opinion. It wasnt my stinky ass.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-12-07, 11:14 PM
My car smelled like a dirty vagina once. Of course I had a slut sittin' shotgun.

Destroyer
08-12-07, 11:23 PM
It wasnt my stinky ass.AHA! So, you admit that you are stinky?. I knew I should have been a lawyer damn it. :eek::thumbsup:

Destroyer
08-12-07, 11:24 PM
My car smelled like a dirty vagina once. Of course I had a slut sittin' shotgun.This wasn't during your trip to Iowa by chance was it?.:eek:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-12-07, 11:26 PM
This wasn't during your trip to Iowa by chance was it?.:eek:



LOL. No, that was a few years ago when I used to hang out with a girl named Kim, whom my friends referred to as "Kimmy Kream".

Jonas McFeely
08-13-07, 12:02 AM
AHA! So, you admit that you are stinky?. I knew I should have been a lawyer damn it. :eek::thumbsup:

Not even. But after a long day in the sun, you start getting a bit ripe.

You asked for it:

Ever not wipe well enough and your ass starts to itch and it feels all creamy?

Yeah, hope you get nice mental image there.:thumbsup:

gdwriter
08-13-07, 02:11 AM
This wasn't during your trip to Iowa by chance was it?.:eek:No, that was Brian. :stirpot:

Destroyer
08-13-07, 07:07 AM
Not even. But after a long day in the sun, you start getting a bit ripe.

You asked for it:

Ever not wipe well enough and your ass starts to itch and it feels all creamy?

Yeah, hope you get nice mental image there.:thumbsup::umno: Aww man, I'm feeling queasy now.

Jesda
08-13-07, 07:53 AM
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Night Wolf
08-13-07, 08:11 AM
LOL, my gosh I am laughing so hard right now

96Fleetwood
08-13-07, 10:51 AM
LOL, my gosh I am laughing so hard right now


I am right there with ya!

Jesda
08-13-07, 12:50 PM
Eww, you're both hard.

http://www.oakton.edu/~mnowosielski/sig.jpg

:P

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-13-07, 01:01 PM
Great, I've lost both my thread and my appetite. Thank you Jesda and bald Britney.

Destroyer
08-13-07, 04:52 PM
Great, I've lost both my thread and my appetite. Thank you Jesda and bald Britney.Oh and, great S500 review!. :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-13-07, 04:57 PM
Thanks, I gotta go out and look at a S320/420 this Friday. There's a '97 S320 at a big BMW/Mercedes/Porsche dealer in my area....I think it's got like 80k on it and they want 13,9. It's a triple black LWB, and I don't think there are any S420s in my area with the sort of mileage I want...they're all higher.

Playdrv4me
08-13-07, 05:22 PM
I'd say go with either the 320 or the 500 anyway, I dont think theres sufficient difference between the 320 and the 420 to justify the cost and added complexity of the V8.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-13-07, 05:39 PM
Yeah, there isn't much of a difference at all. I was looking at my 99 S Class brochure this morning, and I think there was one thing that the 420 had standard that the 320 didn't and it wasn't anything major.

Now you and Elias told me to stay away from the S500 (and the 600 too) because of the problems with the air ride suspension... Is it a very problematic setup? Is it a four wheel setup like in a Mark VIII or Continental, or just a two wheel setup like in a Town Car? Is it just "load leveling" like on a Town Car, or do the settings change depending on vehicle speed, the level of steering input, acceleration and braking?

MN-STS-LOVER
08-13-07, 05:49 PM
I'd say just stick with the N* if you can get a warranty! an hour ago I was behind a new 535i beemer...he saw the STS in his mirror and just expected a race! Gotta love the respect the props that the imports now give to the Caddy's!

96Fleetwood
08-13-07, 07:00 PM
It only has it in the rear and I believe it is hydraulic.

Some of the later model S500 sedans could be ordered with the Adaptive Damping System which was on all four corners.

Go drive a S320, I haven't personally but I bet you will be impressed.

Check this out:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/548002

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-13-07, 07:10 PM
Ahhhh yes, the ADS is to M-B as Magnaride is to Cadillac.

Hydraulic suspension?! Ya gotta be kidding me! That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

96Fleetwood
08-13-07, 07:17 PM
This one looks pretty clean.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/S320-LWB-REAL-NICE-SERVICE-RECORDS-SUPER-CLEAN-100_W0QQitemZ110158569580QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 10158569580

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-13-07, 08:22 PM
Daaaamn that's nice...want one soooo bad! I called over to the local M-B dealer's service department and asked about the auto leveling suspension....it is hydraulic....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. No thanks.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-14-07, 11:47 AM
And the cool thing is, if I decide to move in a new car pretty quick here, I've got a potential buyer for my '92, and he's a member here!

96Fleetwood
08-14-07, 12:03 PM
Here are the latest Manheim sales for 1999 S320s:

08/03/07 LAUD/MIA Lease $9,700 90,404 AvgT AN 6GA Yes
07/25/07ATLANTA Regular $9,900 96,519 Avg BLACK 6GA Yes
07/24/07 ARENA Regular $12,000 64,839 Above TAN 6GA Yes
7/20/07 MANHEIM Regular $10,000 122,953 Avg BLACK 6GA Yes 07/19/07 ATLANTA Regular $8,500 196,508 Below BLACK 6GA No 07/18/07 MINNEAP Regular $10,300 72,753 Avg GRAY 6GA Yes

What else can you buy with all that luxury for under $12K!!

Or...My Dad will sell you his '96 Roadmaster Limited with 85K miles, factory tow package with 3.42 gears, factory cd player, heated seats... all for $4900 ;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-14-07, 12:39 PM
I'm pretty much sold on the S320. The only negative of that car in my book is the mediocre acceleration, atleast in comparison to a V8 S Class, A8, 740i or a Northstar Cadillac, and the fact it's rated 15/22 for something that's only got a 3.2L I-6.

Playdrv4me
08-14-07, 02:01 PM
I guarantee youll see around 18 or 19 in the city, and 20 with my LS doesnt choke me at all.

Jonas McFeely
08-14-07, 10:40 PM
Traitor.:rolleyes:

77CDV
08-14-07, 10:41 PM
15/26 from a 6? I'm deeply unimpressed.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-14-07, 11:31 PM
In all reality, the ETC is probably the one I'll be getting. There are two black ones in my area. One is an '01, triple black, 75k miles, $13,000. The other one is a 2000, has a beige leather interior, the chrome wheels and with 51k on it, they want I believe $12,995.

Aside from that, there are two S320s in my area. One is triple beige, the other is triple black. What's more badass than a triple black Benz S Class? And after that, there's one A8 that I wanna look at...I think it's silver, with like 82k on it and they want $13,000. I think that's an '01.

I gotta call my insurance agent and get quotes on those and the 7 series. I've got a feeling that the Caddy and Audi will be cheapest, then the Benz then the BMW. After I get those quotes, I gotta call around and see what the costs for maintenance items are (brakes, belts, etc etc) to compare.

I'm gonna get up early tomorrow morning and go drive down and look at that 2000 ETC. The dealer is like 8 miles from my place and I should have enough time to go look at that before I gotta be at work at 10:30.

Destroyer
08-15-07, 07:31 AM
In all reality, the ETC is probably the one I'll be getting. There are two black ones in my area. One is an '01, triple black, 75k miles, $13,000. The other one is a 2000, has a beige leather interior, the chrome wheels and with 51k on it, they want I believe $12,995.

Aside from that, there are two S320s in my area. One is triple beige, the other is triple black. What's more badass than a triple black Benz S Class? And after that, there's one A8 that I wanna look at...I think it's silver, with like 82k on it and they want $13,000. I think that's an '01.

I gotta call my insurance agent and get quotes on those and the 7 series. I've got a feeling that the Caddy and Audi will be cheapest, then the Benz then the BMW. After I get those quotes, I gotta call around and see what the costs for maintenance items are (brakes, belts, etc etc) to compare.

I'm gonna get up early tomorrow morning and go drive down and look at that 2000 ETC. The dealer is like 8 miles from my place and I should have enough time to go look at that before I gotta be at work at 10:30.
My '97 S320 cost me slightly less to insure than my '91 Fleetwood. Dont ask me why!.

Playdrv4me
08-15-07, 09:52 AM
I believe that, Ive seen some weird stuff with all the cars ive insured.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-15-07, 10:07 AM
Well that '01 Black/Beige ETC sold. So now there are no other Eldorados in my price/mileage/year range, so it's all about the germans now! LOL! There are a few '02s at a Cadillac dealer, one is a crimson ESC and the other is a White ECS, both are 22-23k...too much money!

Playdrv4me
08-15-07, 11:09 AM
S320 it is.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-15-07, 12:32 PM
I called up to the local M-B dealer to get prices for maintenance items on a 98 S320. They were surprisingly cheap!

Four Wheel Brake Job (pads for all 4 wheels, 4 rotors, 4 sensors): $488.12
Water Pump: $209.66
Alternator: $339.42

Granted, this is at dealer cost + 20&#37;, but still, these are very cheap for M-B factory parts!

I called my dad to let him know about this, and he was amazed at how cheap they were for a Mercedes. He said the S320 sounds like a good car! Wants to see pictures of them when I get home tonight. But it was funny, he said he remembered sitting in them at the auto show when they were new and they didn't seem as luxurious as a Cadillac, then I explained to him how it was a different sort of luxury and how the 3.2 I-6 is to M-B what the 3.8L V6 is to GM...solid, bulletproof, reliable, not too fast but decent.

I think I'm game for a S Class!

Jesda
08-15-07, 01:19 PM
Wow, thats better than Infiniti. Ask around to find out who the best local eurocar mechanic is.

Playdrv4me
08-15-07, 02:03 PM
For petes sake thats better than alot of CADILLAC dealers for that matter!

ejguillot
08-15-07, 03:02 PM
Very true. BTW Ian, I wonder who will get worse gas mileage... your Range Rover, or Sal's Escalade. :rolleyes:

96Fleetwood
08-15-07, 03:09 PM
The S320 gives you the maintenance of a w124 E class with the luxury of a w140 S-class.

The leather and interior might be simple, but MB did that on purpose. In the pre-daimler-chrysler years, MB was all about functionality and not razzle dazzle.

This ended with the 1999.5/2000 models. IMO the w140 will outlast Cadillacs of the same era mechanically and cosmetically. Look at some high mileage w140 cars and the leather is still nearly flawless. Then take a look at some high mileage Cadillacs... eh, not so much.

Keep us posted on your decision.

Have you even drive a S320 yet Chad? If not, go and drive a STS/ETC first and then drive the S320, making sure you stretch it out on the autobah..errr.. I mean highway. You will see a big difference. Just ask Nick.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-15-07, 03:36 PM
I've yet to drive an S320, but I've driven that S500, so aside from the difference in acceleration and power, I know what to expect. In the W140 brochures I have, they quote the 0-60 time for all S320s as 8.8 seconds, versus 8.1 for the S420, 7.2 for the S500 and 6.3 for the S600. Now seeing as how the 0-60 time for the S320 is very close to that of my buddy's '93 Maxima SE, I have an idea of what the performance should be like. But I have a feeling that M-B might have given conservative quotes regarding those times, so it might be a bit quicker... Either way, 8.8 seconds isn't horrible and it's not great..it's just mediocre. Oh well, can't have it all. FWIW, my deVille is like 8 seconds flat to 60, so the performance (atleast around town) won't be as good as what I've got now. I think the S320 will be quicker on the highway though.

And I know it's nowhere near the Northstar in terms of performance, and I don't expect it to be.

Playdrv4me
08-15-07, 03:58 PM
Man, trust me. Once that car reaches its stride and you get the mass MOVING, it is PLENTY quick. I thought the Range Rover was going to feel slow on the highway too but it DOESNT, even being a full second or more behind the 345hp previous gen Escalade. It just takes a little more to get these cars moving from a standstill. You have never seemed like the type to me that is overtly concerned with stoplight racing anyway.

Playdrv4me
08-15-07, 04:26 PM
Heres a neat page on the intricacies of W124 and W140 A/C repair. You were indeed correct, Chad. The W140 requires 22 labor hours of book time, but I also found out that just like with our Caddy's, you can use the electronic temperature control module in the dash to run many useful diagnostics on the climate control system.

http://www.continentalimports.com/ser_ic40142.html

Destroyer
08-15-07, 04:34 PM
Man, trust me. Once that car reaches its stride and you get the mass MOVING, it is PLENTY quick.
Thats what I've been saying, on the highway the car is NOT slow. Nail it at 60 or 70 and it will push you into your seat. I'm not calling it fast but I am saying it aint bad. :thumbsup:

Destroyer
08-15-07, 04:38 PM
The S320 gives you the maintenance of a w124 E class with the luxury of a w140 S-class.

The leather and interior might be simple, but MB did that on purpose. In the pre-daimler-chrysler years, MB was all about functionality and not razzle dazzle.

This ended with the 1999.5/2000 models. IMO the w140 will outlast Cadillacs of the same era mechanically and cosmetically. Look at some high mileage w140 cars and the leather is still nearly flawless. Then take a look at some high mileage Cadillacs... eh, not so much.

Keep us posted on your decision.

Have you even drive a S320 yet Chad? If not, go and drive a STS/ETC first and then drive the S320, making sure you stretch it out on the autobah..errr.. I mean highway. You will see a big difference. Just ask Nick.Shut the door on a Benz, any Benz (99 and older) and listen to that vault like "thunk". Now try that on a newer Caddy and it feels, well, like a Cavalier does. My wife's Deville was definately faster but the S320 is so much better driving and feels so much more substantial that you will never even notice or care.

96Fleetwood
08-15-07, 04:43 PM
Not to mention, since the S320 does not have the leveling suspension, you can put a nice set of H&R springs with Bilsteins and make it handle :thumbsup:

There is quite a bit of aftermarket for these cars, just check out that S32 link I gave you earlier in this thread.

Oh! And you can get a S600 grill cheap on eBay. :)

Playdrv4me
08-15-07, 04:44 PM
In Cadillac's defense, any newer Mercedes feels like a tin can when you close it. The post 2000 cars are such a nightmare, even though they are drop dead gorgeous vehicles.

96Fleetwood
08-15-07, 04:47 PM
In Cadillac's defense, any newer Mercedes feels like a tin can when you close it. The post 2000 cars are such a nightmare, even though they are drop dead gorgeous vehicles.

Although my Dad's SL55 AMG is a badass machine, it has been in the shop for 3 electrical problems that they just can't seem to track down. I guess that is why he got a 760Li instead of a S600 for Mom.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-15-07, 06:40 PM
There is quite a bit of aftermarket for these cars, just check out that S32 link I gave you earlier in this thread.




Like "go fast" mods or "autox" mods? I'd like to get it to go a bit quicker..


Thats what I've been saying, on the highway the car is NOT slow. Nail it at 60 or 70 and it will push you into your seat. I'm not calling it fast but I am saying it aint bad. :thumbsup:

From a 60-70 mph roll, is it comparable at all to your Mark VIII's or your wife's old '97 deVille?

Destroyer
08-15-07, 06:43 PM
In Cadillac's defense, any newer Mercedes feels like a tin can when you close it. The post 2000 cars are such a nightmare, even though they are drop dead gorgeous vehicles.So I've heard. I never cared for the '00-up S Class. Save for the AMG cars and the SL models, theres not a whole lot of newer Mercedes that I like. I think most of the new BMW's are ugly as hell too. At the last new car show I sat in all the new models and was dissapointed. They looked fancier but felt cheaper. The CLS was especially dissapointing cause I really like the exterior styling but sitting in it wasn't all that great.

96Fleetwood
08-15-07, 06:43 PM
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/548002


Check out the mods that guy did. go fast, show, and handling. He has since sold that car, but he put everything he "planned" on that car. I think he has a M3 now.

Destroyer
08-15-07, 08:47 PM
From a 60-70 mph roll, is it comparable at all to your Mark VIII's or your wife's old '97 deVille?
Unfortunately I'd have to say it wasn't as fast as either the Mark or the '98 Deville but it was comparable in the sense that it felt quick and revved high. Like the N* or the Intech its a DOHC w/4 valves per cylinder The last time I floored the Deville was on the highway, speed shot up to over 100 and the temperature shot up to 261 degrees (had to pull over for 1/2 hour to let it cool down), blew the headgaskets. I DONT miss that POS. If I were you I'd get a '94-'96 Fleetwood. Not as refined of a machine but a hell of a lot cheaper to fix and such great aftermarket support. The S320 does have issues from what I have read. Head gasket being one of them but its not an expensive repair like it is on a N*. Window regulators are another frequent repair. Also there is a T-connector on the rear of the motor on the drivers side that should be replaced. Coolant flows through it and with age they break. Once they break its only a matter of minutes till you overheat and need a motor but its a cheap repair. Like I said, I never had any probs with the Benz.

Playdrv4me
08-15-07, 09:00 PM
Yup the germans seem to suffer from weak coolant connections throughout. its merely something to keep on top of during your maintenance inspections. I really think the 320 is a great car... and better still if you happen upon one with the rare xenon light option.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-16-07, 11:47 AM
Every sort of car has got issues, you just have to find what you like and deal with it, provided the issues aren't anything too serious or expensive.

Now when I go drive the S320s tomorrow, what coolant connections should I pay espeically close attention to? Is there something that always goes, causing trouble?

Playdrv4me
08-16-07, 12:07 PM
In the BMW's its the heater hose connections at the radiator that tend to become brittle and fail. From what destroyer said, the weakpoint on the Merc seems to be a T Fitting at the rear of the engine, I dont know how easy this would be to inspect.

96Fleetwood
08-16-07, 12:29 PM
Look for the faint smell of coolant with or without leaking.. just like you would with the Northstar.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-16-07, 01:13 PM
Ironic...I blew the T-fitting on my deVille a few months back. I didn't overheat the motor, but it got hot, hot enough to trigger the "engine hot, turn off soon" light. Not an expensive part by any means.

Playdrv4me
08-16-07, 02:04 PM
I remember that! You had to get a special one from the dealer or something because the Autozone one didnt have something on it or something like that.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-16-07, 02:14 PM
Yeah, somethin' wierd like that.

I'll be puttin an add up for my car in the classifieds section either tonight or tomorrow.

96Fleetwood
08-16-07, 02:26 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/50292798003HI_W0QQitemZ190139898620QQcmdZViewItem? hash=item190139898620


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-SCLASS-SEDAN-PREMIUM_W0QQitemZ150150490344QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem150150490344

Jonas McFeely
08-16-07, 02:29 PM
Yeah, somethin' wierd like that.

I'll be puttin an add up for my car in the classifieds section either tonight or tomorrow.

:rolleyes:

Playdrv4me
08-16-07, 02:29 PM
Chad, if you happen to spot one in the Tampa area let me know and I'll go look at it for you. My standards are *very* high (just ask Jesda, he has to hear me bitch all the time).

96Fleetwood
08-16-07, 03:10 PM
Chad, if you happen to spot one in the Tampa area let me know and I'll go look at it for you. My standards are *very* high (just ask Jesda, he has to hear me bitch all the time).

Ditto, if you find one in Chicagoland.

:thumbsup:

Destroyer
08-16-07, 03:14 PM
Ironic...I blew the T-fitting on my deVille a few months back. I didn't overheat the motor, but it got hot, hot enough to trigger the "engine hot, turn off soon" light. Not an expensive part by any means.
I never looked for that t fitting on mine but from what I understand its at the rear of the motor on the drivers side. Costs like $40-$60 from the dealer and SHOULD be considered an item that needs to be changed every few years. One of the guys in the Benz forum did blow his motor because of that fitting. Said it happened real fast and didn't have time to pull over or anything. Thing is, he wasn't even in the car when it happened and it was his wife that was driving it and that was her story. I think the dumb ****** just ignored the "engine hot" lights. :eek: Man, I wish you were looking when I was selling mine, that one was in absolutely "new" condition.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-16-07, 04:53 PM
Destroyer...overall, were you pretty happy with yours and would you recommend it?

Jonas McFeely
08-16-07, 05:26 PM
DTS STS ETC. My buddy just got a MINT '99 Deville fully loaded with every single option available plus a ton of dealer add ons. Car has 30k on it. Paid a tick over $12k. Got a 36k mile warranty.Car is absolutely perfect in every way imaginable.

Do the right thing. Buy a Cadillac. Youre getting hung up on this Mercedes bullshit. Youre deciding on this WAYYYY too fast. Take a month or two. Drive everything youve ever wanted thats in your price range. Narrow it down, and then decide. And when youve decided, drive them all again.

Do NOT jump into this this fast, and be stuck with a huge debt and something you really dont enjoy and regret buying. If at that end you still come up with the S320. So be it. But i think you are deciding on this way too quick. People do strange things when they get excited about something.

I have made very poor financial decisions when i just knew i HAD to have something. A month later, i was like damn, bad idea.

Playdrv4me
08-16-07, 05:41 PM
Holy lord did that Deville come with diamond emblems and 24k gold rims for that price?. I would not touch a 97-99 Deville with a 10 foot pole, warranty or not. Those by far, are the Devilles we have the lion's share of problems with here, especially headgaskets and suspensions. Had you said 2000 DTS I'd be with you.

Cadillac loyalties aside, there is no way I would EVER spend the same 12k I could get a pristine E38 or S320 for on a Deville. With patience, I could score a 2002 STS with Nav for that price, but thats it. DTS too, but not a pre-art and science Northstar deville.

You are correct however about rushing the decision, I have made many a mistake that way. Oh hell who am I kidding, I live my whole life like Im gonna die tomorrow.

Destroyer
08-16-07, 06:07 PM
DTS STS ETC. My buddy just got a MINT '99 Deville fully loaded with every single option available plus a ton of dealer add ons. Car has 30k on it. Paid a tick over $12k. Got a 36k mile warranty.Car is absolutely perfect in every way imaginable.

Not a good example Jonas. Your buddies Deville is only worth half what he paid for it on a good day. And those after the fact warranties are limited in what they cover.

Destroyer
08-16-07, 06:20 PM
Destroyer...overall, were you pretty happy with yours and would you recommend it?
Based on my experience, yes I was very happy with it and I would recommend one. To tell you the truth I'm seeing a lot of people having a lot of problems with them on the Mercedes forums so I'm wondering if I just got lucky with a good example or what. I suggest you get back on Benzworld, post these videos, tell them your situation and ask those guys (many who have owned them for much longer than I owned mine) what they think and if they would recommend them as well. I loved the car and would buy one again but in all honesty I dont need a Mercedes. I bought it for work related purposes (realtor). Now that I'm not very active in that line of work I just dont need it. I'm just as happy in an old Chevy or Cadillac as I am in the fanciest of cars. Like Elias and others, I just constantly need to be changing vechicles but I get excited when I make a good deal on vechicles, real estate or whatever.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-16-07, 07:15 PM
Alright, let's look at this one final time.

I want a car newer than 2000. A good condition A8/740/W140 is the only exception to this rule, as prices are high for these still, and the last good Mercedes (IMO) was the W140 and that died in 1999, and an entire era of M-B died with it...the good era. I do not want a Cadillac older than 1999 as they revised the head bolt design in 2000, making it more reliable and the reduced the chances of blowing a headgasket. Now Tim, you mention the DTS, STS and ETC. I do not like the 00+ deVilles, will not buy one, never liked the way they looked, inside or out. The 98+ Sevilles are ok, but I've driven both those and the W140s, and I'd much rather have the M-B. The ETC is truly the only post 2000 Cadillac I'd pay money to own, but guess what? There are two of those in the twin cities that are sold through a dealer which makes them eligible for an extended warranty, which is a MUST when buying a Northstar, and both of those are 2002s, and one is $22,000, and the other is $23,000. I'm not paying twenty three thousand dollars for a five year old Cadillac, especially when I can get into that Benz, a car which I've wanted to own since I was about 10, for half that. And even if the S320 isn't up my alley, there are a few 740s and A8s out there too, and I've liked those almost as much as I like the W140, ever since they were knew. I've wanted to own one of these "executive class" german luxury sedans as long as I can remember, and now I'm finally able to get my foot in the door, and damnit! I'm gonna!

I'll be back in a Cadillac again, in a classic, vintage '70s model, like I've always wanted.

Playdrv4me
08-16-07, 07:18 PM
Yea Im with you on that. My next expensive Caddy will be a Classic Eldorado. Short of that Id probably only take a 05 STS with every single option short of AWD, or an 07 Escalade.

Destroyer
08-16-07, 07:43 PM
Yea Im with you on that. My next expensive Caddy will be a Classic Eldorado. Short of that Id probably only take a 05 STS with every single option short of AWD, or an 07 Escalade.
I think we are on the same page here. Aside from the Escalade the only other newer Cadillac I would consider is a CTS V but it would have to be a real good deal cause I'm not crazy about the styling and would take a Charger SRT 8 over it. A classic Caddy is definately in the cards in the future. As of yesterday I was high bidder on this beauty: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290150033485&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019 . I probably wont bid much over where its at now, so it probably wont happen but this is a cool car no?.

96Fleetwood
08-16-07, 10:41 PM
I am bidding against you... muhahahahah!

Destroyer
08-16-07, 10:47 PM
I am bidding against you... muhahahahah!You SOB :want::tisk::thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 08:45 AM
Cool car, but I'd rather have a very clean stock one.

Night Wolf
08-17-07, 09:02 AM
DTS STS ETC. My buddy just got a MINT '99 Deville fully loaded with every single option available plus a ton of dealer add ons. Car has 30k on it. Paid a tick over $12k. Got a 36k mile warranty.Car is absolutely perfect in every way imaginable.

Do the right thing. Buy a Cadillac. Youre getting hung up on this Mercedes bullshit. Youre deciding on this WAYYYY too fast. Take a month or two. Drive everything youve ever wanted thats in your price range. Narrow it down, and then decide. And when youve decided, drive them all again.

Do NOT jump into this this fast, and be stuck with a huge debt and something you really dont enjoy and regret buying. If at that end you still come up with the S320. So be it. But i think you are deciding on this way too quick. People do strange things when they get excited about something.

I have made very poor financial decisions when i just knew i HAD to have something. A month later, i was like damn, bad idea.

I agree, we go from "just looking, maybe sometime in a year from now" to "my car is going for sale tonight, I am gonna test drive these cars tomorrow to see which one I want"

But, I gave enough input in the thread, seems like its the wrong kind of input, and nobody really cared so I just decided to stay out of it.

If this is the car you really want, then awesome, you know your financial situation and future plans better then any of us here, so go for it!

Cadillacboy
08-17-07, 09:03 AM
You can also consider of buyin '94-96 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham :)
W140 is rock solid . I heard many complaints from the people switching to W220 .W221 is not my taste either .

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 09:18 AM
W220 is ugly IMO, too complicated electronically and mechanically...lacks that feel & look of the older M-B's. FWB's are nice too, but they're getting up there in years and they're tough as hell to find around here.

Jonas McFeely
08-17-07, 10:52 AM
If you show up to the November meet in a damn Mercedes, we will have words Chad. Words.

Playdrv4me
08-17-07, 11:01 AM
I may show up supporting every continent in my BMW/Land Rover/Ford.

96Fleetwood
08-17-07, 02:59 PM
I got your back Chad. IMO, you will probably get the S320/740/A8 and then in the future get a classic car as a weekend driver. From what I understand, those are the Cadillacs and Lincolns that are true to your heart.

So, get a daily driver that you will be happy with, after all.. that is where you will be spending your time behind the wheel day in and day out. Then... you can get back to the real Cadillacs we all truley love.

gdwriter
08-17-07, 03:30 PM
As I told you on iChat, buy what you like and will be happy with. If you've had a long-term interest in these late 90s S-class and can afford one, why the hell not? Might as well experience it. And if it turns out that you don't like the German definition of luxury, you can probably sell it for close to what you paid.

I like the previous generation BMW 3-Series (1998 or 1999 to 2003 or 2004) and might look at one of those when it's time for another car. But there are also Cadillacs that I like that would (I hope) fall into my price range when it's time for my next car.

I think most of the people here who know you are giving you their opinions and advice because you asked for it, but they're just opinions and advice. You ultimately have to choose what's best for you.

It's too bad those Eldos are sold since that was one of the cars you were interested in, and it would be nice to compare them back to back with the S320 since those are the two cars at the top of your list.

Take you time, don't rush into the first Benz you drive, but make sure you'll be satisfied with what you buy.

gdwriter
08-17-07, 03:50 PM
OK, I'm going to poke my nose in here again. While there aren't any Eldos in your price range in the Twin Cities area, I did find quite a few 2000-2004 STS/SLS in the low teens, some with low mileage and extended warranty available.

Here's a striking dark blue 02 SLS (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227858126&dealer_id=2317760&car_year=2002&model=ELDO&num_records=&make3=&make2=CAD&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&engine=&keywordsrep=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=75&marketZipError=false&model2=SEV&search_lang=&first_record=1&make=CAD&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&isDWSI=false&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=55120&advanced=&end_year=2004&pager.offset=0&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=8), $13,500, 41,900 miles and with an extended warranty:

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2007/8/5/227/858/2606287011.227858126.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jp g

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2007/8/5/227/858/2606287012.227858126.IM1.02.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2007/8/5/227/858/2606287013.227858126.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

The rest of the listings I saw were here: http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?&default_sort=priceDESC&pager.offset=0&end_year=2004&make2=CAD&address=55120&start_year=2000&fuel=&keywordsrep=&certified=&isDWSI=false&search_type=both&max_mileage=&body_code=0&marketZipError=false&drive=&min_price=&distance=75&engine=&transmission=&make=CAD&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&model2=SEV&keywordsfyc=&first_record=1&sort_type=priceDESC&num_records=&style_flag=1&doors=&advanced=&max_price=&make3=&search_lang=&model=ELDO&color=

My suggestion—and it's only a suggestion—is to test one of these back to back with the S320. Then you can really compare the performance, comfort, ride, fit and finish, design, etc.

The Eldorado didn't change that much from '92 to '02, while the Seville was redesigned in '98, so I would think and STS/SLS would be the better car of the two.

One other thing to keep in mind. I don't know what kind of traction control comes on the S320, but I would wonder how good those cars would be on snow. I know true performance enthusiasts bad-mouth front wheel drive in a performance/luxury car, but for winter driving, the SLS may be much easier to drive and more forgiving. If nothing else, consider the different between driving in snow in your RWD Roadmaster (admittedly, it has Positraction) vs. your DeVille.

OK, I've thrown enough advice at you. Good luck with whatever you choose.

Playdrv4me
08-17-07, 03:59 PM
Thats a pretty blue color, though that one looks like its been repainted and the price is a tad high despite the low-ish miles. Those are my favorite Northstar Cadillacs, I will definitely own another one of those even as just a secondary car at some point.

gdwriter
08-17-07, 04:50 PM
Thats a pretty blue color, though that one looks like its been repainted and the price is a tad high despite the low-ish miles. Those are my favorite Northstar Cadillacs, I will definitely own another one of those even as just a secondary car at some point.I checked the NADA Guide (http://www.nadaguides.com/usedcars.aspx?LI=1-21-1-5013-0-0-0&l=1&w=21&p=1&f=5014&y=2002&m=1032&d=267&c=16&mi=41900&o=58&vi=49502&z=97351&da=-1&nx=1); it said clean retail value with that low mileage is $14,050. There were quite a few others listed in AutoTrader, but I singled out that one for the combination of low miles, decent price and extended warranty. Plus, that color's fairly rare. Most STS/SLS of that generation are white, silver or bronze.

Since I'm in no position to buy another car for another year or two, I'm shopping vicariously for Chad.

Playdrv4me
08-17-07, 04:57 PM
The problem with NADA is it's very very high retail. You should always aim to pay wholesale as a consumer. Thats not to say youre going to come near auction type pricing, but anything near NADA retail is too high. Id probably pay 11 for that Seville at most, especially being an SLS and not an STS. But its a nice car regardless.

Destroyer
08-17-07, 08:11 PM
If you show up to the November meet in a damn Mercedes, we will have words Chad. Words.
Be nice, be civil about this. Here's what we do if both of you show up at the November meet. We get you and Chad to stand beside your cars and then we bring out some girls from the bar/club the meeting is held at and let them decide who is the man. Will they pick the Mean Green '85 Sage or the smelly Benz!. :alchi:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-17-07, 08:28 PM
Oh he's just kidding around. Atleast I hope he is!



:hide:

AElayyat
08-17-07, 09:00 PM
dude, i've got that delayed reaction thing going on, but did you get that benz? those are the best big body benz's made. when i use to work at a used car dealership i drove a lot of the s320 and s430's and those things are nice. the only ugly part is the repairs. let us know what you did.

Destroyer
08-17-07, 09:08 PM
Oh he's just kidding around. Atleast I hope he is!



:hide:
Hell no. I'll go inside round up some girls and tell them we are having a contest in the parking lot and need them to judge OR you guys can have a race. :stirpot: The other option would be a demolition derby to see which one is tougher.........just pray he doesn't bring the '68.

Jonas McFeely
08-17-07, 09:10 PM
Be nice, be civil about this. Here's what we do if both of you show up at the November meet. We get you and Chad to stand beside your cars and then we bring out some girls from the bar/club the meeting is held at and let them decide who is the man. Will they pick the Mean Green '85 Sage or the smelly Benz!. :alchi:

Im taking the '68.

Destroyer
08-17-07, 09:32 PM
Im taking the '68.So we are leaning towards a demolition derby are we?. We can leave Chad out of it. You dont like Lincolns either, how about we race my green Lincoln vs your green Cadillac?.

Night Wolf
08-18-07, 08:32 AM
Heck if Tim is brining the '68, then there goes all the HT4100 vs 307 hype right there!

Then with the Mark VIII and a Benz, I may as well bring the Town Car :)

It can be the Cadillac Owners, as well as other fine luxury cars meet.... maybe contact some local Lexus forums? :bouncy:

Destroyer
08-18-07, 02:58 PM
Heck if Tim is brining the '68, then there goes all the HT4100 vs 307 hype right there!

Then with the Mark VIII and a Benz, I may as well bring the Town Car :)

It can be the Cadillac Owners, as well as other fine luxury cars meet.... maybe contact some local Lexus forums? :bouncy:
I doubt I'll have my '95 Mark VIII by then. The convertible bug is starting to bite. :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-18-07, 03:13 PM
I wanna race Rick. See how the M-B 3.2 DOHC I-6 stacks up against the 4.6L SOHC Ford V-8

96Fleetwood
08-18-07, 03:34 PM
I doubt I'll have my '95 Mark VIII by then. The convertible bug is starting to bite. :thumbsup:

Want to buy my Dad's 2004 SL55 AMG with 29K miles? He is considering selling it for a SL65...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Image438.jpg

Destroyer
08-18-07, 05:38 PM
Want to buy my Dad's 2004 SL55 AMG with 29K miles? He is considering selling it for a SL65...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Image438.jpg
Will he take $3k for it?. :bouncy:

96Fleetwood
08-18-07, 05:51 PM
Will he take $3k for it?. :bouncy:

haha! maybe for the wheels & tires :thumbsup:?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-19-07, 08:47 PM
Would he take 3000 down and 2000 a month for that?

Destroyer
08-19-07, 10:48 PM
haha! maybe for the wheels & tires :thumbsup:?What if I throw in a kid?:alchi:

96Fleetwood
12-03-08, 08:25 AM
Sorry to bring this old thread up, but I just got back from Virginia visiting my parents.

Dad just bought a 1999 Mercedes S500 Grand Edition about a month ago. He had been looking for one, but they are pretty hard to find in good shape. Only 600 were made in 1999.

He had a 1998 S600 that they bought new and sold in 2005, this car sort of resembles that car because of the color and wheels.

I got to spend some good seat time in the S500 Grand Edition, even drove it up to Washington D.C. and took it to my 10 year high school reunion.

I have to say the W140 is one of the best Mercedes vehicles ever made. I know in 1997-1999 quality declined somewhat, but this car still shows how real cars should be made.

Inside it is a vault, no noises, extremely comfortable, simpled yet refined. For being 10 years old the leather & interior look factory fresh. The paint still shines like a mirror and the motor & transmission are just getting warmed up.

The S500 is not super fast, but it does a good job tugging this heavy luxobarge around.

I wish they still put this type of dedication into cars today! Dad also has a '04 Mercedes SL600 and '03 BMW 760Li in the garge.. and although being fantastic cars, they do not have that passion the w140 has.. it is hard to explain.

Anyways... I told my Father if he still has it in March, I am going to buy it for sure. This car has me sold!

Now I know why Chad loves his S320 so much :cool2:

Here are a few pics:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0289.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0290.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0291.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0292.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0302.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0306.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0300.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0307.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_0308.jpg


... as for comparing it to my '96 Fleetwood... HA! There is a reason why this S500 Grand Edition was $100K back in 1999.

I also got to drive his loaded '09 Camry SE (daily driver), it was pretty impressive.


Take care,
Elias

Lord Cadillac
12-03-08, 12:26 PM
That S500 looks very nice.. How expensive would it be to maintain, though?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-03-08, 03:13 PM
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

:cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9:

Grand Edition..... :drool:

My dream garage consists of three cars, and the 1999 Mercedes Benz S500 Grand Edition is one of them.

ryannel2003
12-03-08, 03:43 PM
I'd trade the Seville and my left nut for that car.

Seriously.

96Fleetwood
12-03-08, 04:44 PM
Thanks, it really blew me away, especially for being 10 years old.

Maintenance can't be worse than a DTS. My brother spent over $8K in one year keeping his old 2003 DTS running, he sold it with 120K on it. His current DTS is at 91K miles and he recently spent $3,500 at the dealer.

..on the Grand Edition, the common issues were already addressed by the original owner. A stack of service records came with the car. It was owned by a Anesthesiologist who garaged it at home and work.

The only items needing attention right now are a ball joint and the hydraulic engine mounts, both are getting taken care of this week ;)

ryannel2003
12-03-08, 04:55 PM
Yeah these Northstar Cadillac's are extremely expensive. I can see that your brother kept that DTS up; it looked perfect. If I had unlimited money, I'd blow it all on getting my car perfect.

gary88
12-03-08, 04:58 PM
ATTN Chad: Get AMG monoblocks :yup:

ryannel2003
12-03-08, 05:16 PM
:yeah:

Destroyer
12-03-08, 08:45 PM
Awesome!. Absolutely love the car and its quite rare as you know. I remember way back when Chad asked how my '91 Fleetwood compared to my '97 S320 and I remember thinking that other than both being large there really wasn't any comparison except for styling which is subjective.

slk230mb
12-03-08, 08:56 PM
Nice vanity plates there :)

What makes the Grand Edition so Grand, aside from the rims?

RightTurn
12-03-08, 11:47 PM
Very, very nice. :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-04-08, 12:06 AM
Nice vanity plates there :)

What makes the Grand Edition so Grand, aside from the rims?

They had the S600's seats, which had different style pleating and a much softer two tone leather, the leather covered dashboard, suede headliner (?), wood/leather shift knob and steering wheel too. I think that's all aside from the wheels.

To sum it up, the S500 Grand Edition is the interior of the S600 in the S500.

So it's basically the S600 without the expensive repair bills and V-12 surge...and the S600s didn't have the Monoblocks.


Say Elias, how does the M119 5.0L in these compare with the stock LT1 as far as power goes?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-04-08, 02:40 AM
Check this picture out. :cool2:

http://i20.ebayimg.com/07/i/001/1f/af/3631_3.JPG

96Fleetwood
12-04-08, 07:43 AM
Yep, Chad got it right. You get all the S600 ammenities without the V12. I do like the LED illuminated door sills, Nappa leather, and Suede headliner. The one thing missing on the Grand Edition was the leather door panels & dash (S600 only).

Here is a picture of my parents '98 S600, my Father added the staggered AMG monoblock wheels. They sold it in 2005 with 57K miles on it to a friend in Richmond, VA (he still has it):

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture347.jpg

My Father still talks about that car to this day, even though they have an awesome V12 BMW 760Li.


Stock for Stock, I say the LT1 and M119 5.0L are pretty close. The Benz likes to cruise at 80-100 mph all day long, the LT1 starts to run out of breath in the higher rpms. The Fleetwood cost $40K new and the Grand Edition was $100K back in 1999... so you really can't compare build quality.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-04-08, 11:04 AM
What do your folks think of the W221 now? Would they consider trading in that E65 on one?

Cliff8928
12-04-08, 12:07 PM
I would think that LT1 would absolutely kill the M119 / 722.6 off the line. The M119 doesn't really have that tire-ripping torque available the instant the pedal goes down. At least that was the case with the now-sold '96 S500 Coupe.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-04-08, 12:29 PM
I believe it...but I'd think that the M119 would pass the LT1 at about 70 or so. Remember, the M119 makes 315hp...55 more than the LT1, and the torque peaks at 347 lb/ft....12 lb/ft more than the LT1.

gary88
12-04-08, 12:57 PM
I guess the Germans designed it that way so it doesn't run out of steam on the Autobahn.

96Fleetwood
12-06-08, 10:13 AM
What do your folks think of the W221 now?

They didn't like it, they are pretty used to the sport feel of the 760Li. Dad likes the newer S63 and S65, but can't justify spending that kind of money right now. We will see how they like the new 7 series.

Their BMW 760Li is a phenomenal car.. even though it lacks power compared to the newer S600, it handles much better.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture033.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture035.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-07-08, 04:49 PM
Yeah....but those looks...and that iDrive... :vomit:

Night Wolf
12-07-08, 08:13 PM
Apparently the new iDrive is nothing like the mess of the first generation.

The W140 is really starting to grow on me... previously, the biggest downfall to me and the simple/sterile interrior.... despite being very oppisite cars, you can pat the old E30 on the dash for warming me up to the simple, well built, get it done design and style of the older BMW/MB, I am getting sold on the whole package more and more everytime I get in the drivers seat of that thing, to the point that even new BMW's are starting to appeal to me :shhh: I still prefer the older ones... just seem to have that whole gearhead/drivers thing going on... but still has all the features on a modern car I would want.

96Fleetwood
12-07-08, 09:28 PM
I think the I drive system is great. If you have spent any measurable amount of time behind the wheel of a BMW equipped with it, you can appreciate how simple and effective the system is. I personally drove that 760Li from Atlanta to Virginia Beach and the Idrive system made operating the NAV, HVAC, and Radio much easier.. I didn't even have to take my eyes off the road.

BMW came up with the system in late 2001 and now every major luxury car has a similar system... go figure.

Aron9000
12-07-08, 10:55 PM
I think the I drive system is great. If you have spent any measurable amount of time behind the wheel of a BMW equipped with it, you can appreciate how simple and effective the system is. I personally drove that 760Li from Atlanta to Virginia Beach and the Idrive system made operating the NAV, HVAC, and Radio much easier.. I didn't even have to take my eyes off the road.

BMW came up with the system in late 2001 and now every major luxury car has a similar system... go figure.

I'm sure the I-drive is okay once you figure it out, but I don't understand why they couldn't use a PC based interface that everybody is familiar with. Instead of the knob, why couldn't they use the directional keys with an enter button like your computer keyboard has to navigate the menus.

96Fleetwood
12-08-08, 08:01 AM
Instead of the knob, why couldn't they use the directional keys with an enter button like your computer keyboard has to navigate the menus.

But that is exactly what Idrive is. There are 8 positions you can move the knob to select the different menus and then to press "enter" you just push the knob down.

If my Mother can do it, anyone can ;).



Back to the subject of the W140! Did anyone notice that late model w140s are bringing the same if not more than early w220s?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-08-08, 12:42 PM
Back to the subject of the W140! Did anyone notice that late model w140s are bringing the same if not more than early w220s?

Yep! Just like the 1990-92 Broughams as opposed to '93s.

Destroyer
12-08-08, 08:40 PM
Yep! Just like the 1990-92 Broughams as opposed to '93s.
W220 just doesn't have the presence of the W140. W220 is also known for being unreliable. Ever wonder why N* Cadillacs bring $2k or so in the used car market?. Lack of reliability. Same story with the W220. Reliability/reputation should be top priority to any luxury car manufacturer. Absolutely shameful when any of them makes a bad product.

Elvis
12-08-08, 10:11 PM
The W140 was an outstanding vehicle. My father had a '94 S420 that was awesome. He put about 124,000 miles on it and the A/C went out one August day when it was 102 degrees. The grey market repair shop wanted over $7500 to repair it, so he traded. The newer S430 they got is very nice, but not as "substantial" feeling to me.

The S420 had some kind of an axle problem that made it wobble ever so slightly. Not as bad as a wheel out of balance, but you could tell something was wrong. That probably cost the next owner $10K to fix.

Still an awesome car.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-08-08, 10:37 PM
Everyone loves the W140!