i have a stock nav system in my 02 dts but i wanna put in an avic d3...what would i have to expect in regards to doing the install. i have onstar, and bose with steering wheels controls. and everything that came premium on that car and i wanna keep all that.

i chose the d3 because the user interface is better than other ones ive seen out there and i dont need a 30 gb hard drive. i also like the ipod controls nav and everything down to the color and background customization. i dont mind shrinking down the screen size by a couple inches either. another question, will the install eliminate anything like that.

not a fun install
ill buy your stock nav unit btw

youll need to modify the gm99-2002 metra kit for the 98+ Seville Eldo and Deville they only make a single din version the D3 is a double din

youll need the pioneer wheel control module

metra access gmos-06 as your wire harness and to maintain onstar

really? hmmmm.....i was researching a lil today and found the steering wheel control interface by peripheral called the peswips. the site states it will work with aftermarket pioneer hu's. is that fine? for the onstar i found the gmah32 also by peripheral that will supposedly retain onstar and all the chimes back up beeps, onstar, bells and whistles, etc.... is that true? or do you reccommend the ones you listed? again, i wanna keep onstar, bose, back up beeps, and all the bells and whistles....

i went around to an install shop today and they said they would sell and install it for $1450. but said they would use the PAC os-2bose which the package read would retain the onstar and bose and ya da ya da yada....

does that sound right or is that sodomy? i dont wanna get raped like others ive read about on here.

also any cutting of the inside back the dash involved. i just wanna do my homwork before i dive in. thanks

those will only work on hus that have wheel control ability, otherwise youll need the X version which uses a remote signal to adjust the vol.

the gmah32 i have no experience with and to my knowledge no one on the forum has used that yet, i have personally used the gmos-06 and it keeps everything working and as a matter of fact without the control interface it even keeps the ability to adjust the vol(however its actually controlling the amp vol not the hu vol) and the seek works as a fader

the D3 cost 1k were ever you go, i can get one new for 650 though my contacts, so 450 bucks for an install at the 1k price they are making a huge profit

if you were around me id do the install, but your not, anywho let me know about your factory unit

ok so i guess ill use the gmos-06 for onstar, bose, etc...and the peswips for the sterring wheel controls. or do you reccommend another one?

the lowest ebay price ive seen on a new unit has been 726 in total w/ shipping and w/out install. Do you mind helping me get it at the 650 price?

how bout the double din kit and stuff....how much cutting etc?

ill let you know about the stock nav unit but please help me out here.
thanks

the only way i can get one at the 650 price is for me to actually buy the unit at work

thats a fine list of parts that should do you good, im not 100% about the wheel control readiness of the D3 but id say it has to be, ill check on that

to make a double din kit, youll need to buy a single din, cut the pocket out of the bottom, and then mod the kit to attach the a/c controls, do a search on that the727kid did it on his 97 Eldo

works for me on the nav unit

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-audio-video-security-systems/110404-custom-double-din-1997-eldorado-727kid.html
thats the kids install

Well, can you hook me up with that price from work? ill pay the s&h. Do you have paypal?

also, please advise me about the wheel control readiness when you find out.

so..... if i understand correctly,the hardest part of the entire install will be the double din modifyimg of the single din kits right? Which will require cutting, glueing etc,...Will that require cutting of any part of the inside of the dash or just the kit?

all the rest of the radio connections and interface attatchments will just be easy plug and play right?

thanks

i think because you have the DTS and not a standard deville you have room where you wont have to cut the back of the dash

as for the D3 i guess i can, have to check the price 100% though

i hope i wont need to cut. messing with the din kit is enough of a project.

well sounds like a plan. Advise me about the price and steering control when you know.

thanks cadillacsts2003

i have a 97 deville and am installing a avic z2 i have the whole unit wired except for the reverse signal and the speed sensor (i just dont where they are) i also need to know what i have to cut in the back panel under the dash and is that the ac vent?

not a fun install
....youll need to modify the gm99-2002 metra kit for the 98+ Seville Eldo and Deville they only make a single din version the D3 is a double din
....metra access gmos-06 as your wire harness and to maintain onstar

cadillacsts2003,

where can i find the gm99-2002 metra kit and the gmos-06 interface? Ive checked ebay which has none, and the metra website that only shows me the product pics and specs but no "Buy" option.

the gmos-06 is a special order thing not usually carried, call a major audio shop (ie not best buy, not circuit city but a place that specializes in installs) and tell them you need the metra gmos-06 and the dash kit for your car

http://cgi.ebay.com/1996-2002-CADILLAC-ELDORADO-RADIO-DASH-KIT-HARNESS-ANT_W0QQitemZ150006322306QQihZ005QQcategoryZ85806Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
that kit will work
say you have a Seville though and they should have it, its the same stuff eldo or seville mention you have bose and need the gmos-06

Thanks. i was searching ebay by entering metra kit and it wouldnt come up. glad you found one and helped me out:bouncy:.

i guess now all i need is the steering wheel control interface and actual avic d3 unit huh?

well let me know as soon as you get a word on the price and steering wheel capablity (if ill need the ASWI-PS or the ASWI-X for wheel control) of the avic d3.

much appreciated

sry i was off a bit
works out to be round 700 plus tax
it is wheel control capable

great....how much for tax and shipping? How much total?

shipping i have no idea lol
tax will be 7% b/c again i have to buy it under my name and Allegheny County PA has 7%

well.......................$700 for the avic d3 unit, plus 7% of that, equels out to be $749 without shipping, which is already more than the lowest ebay price.
i guess ill have to pass.

thanks for the help and offer though

ill update you on my install

true that
only thing i can say is if you can wait a week and a half till im certified i can get it another cheaper price i think 15 more off at like 685, but thats your call
goodluck

hey cadillacsts2003,

i was attempting to remove my radio and ac yesterday, you know to prep for my soon to happen install, and i noticed some things. The ac controls pulled out easily but i couldnt figure out how to unplug them from the 2 ac harnesses. I tried various things but they seemed not to work, so i stopped before i ruined something. i hope to find out how to disconnect them soon because they ac controls are in the way. i was however able to remove, but not diconnect the nav just fine.

please adivse.
thanks

should be a green plug with clip
you depress the tab and the clip unlocks

will i be able to use any thing from my stock nav unit on the avic d3? like nav antenna gps antenna etc....?

no way
lol
pioneer isnt denso
yuh nothing will be swap-able
let me know about your factory nav unit too ill give you 450 (high ebay price) for the unit with the disc
i bought one from a salvage yard and it was busted
let me know

figured......just thought i'd ask the pros. thanks.

np bro

Did you ever get you "Reading DVD, please wait" issue with your NAV disc resolved? I'm having the same issue.
THX

no i didnt. i figured that i might have been using the wrong update disk like someone on here said.

i bought the disc off of ebay for cheap.....$28, so no big deal. i never knew you needed a vehicle specific nav upgrade disc....my mistake. Thanks to cadi and delco for making us pay more. so i gave up on the upgrade since im going to get the avic d3.

i called a cadi dealer parts dept on friday, curiosity, and they said the last upgrade disk for the 02 dts was 5.0. i dont have the part # on hand but ill give it to u MON morning

the disc p# is 15798916 its the last one they made for 02 dts nav upgrade.....5.0

i read another thread and found out you have an 04 srx, i thought you had a deville dts. nevermind the part #. it will only work on a deville. let me know what you find out.

Whats the easiest way to remove the cd changer from my glove box?
It looks pretty cramped in there.

hummm
never had to do that to be honest....
dont own a deville
my guess is there has to be some screws and a bracket

i can see screws and the brackets holding the changer in place but its too cramped to get to them......does anyone else know what ill have to do? i hope i dont have to remove the dash.

def need a short driver

hows this going?

just got the unit last week. im waiting to get the nav traffic and bluetooth to start install. will keep you updated

Hay CadillacSTS2003,
Since i already had a stock nav that would have most likely already used a stock speed sensor wire intergrated in the "into" car harness, do i still need to hook up the speed sensor wire lead that the avic d3 came with, or can i somehow avoid that and use the existing stock one if any? How?

Also do you know where the back up sensor wire lead goes hooked up on an 02 deville dts? The manual states that it can go in the trunk attached to the wire that activates the back up lights. Does that sound like teh easiest place?

Thanks

back up easy
tie it into a reverse light dont even try going to the park assist
yes there is a speed wire already at the harness its in f2 i believe
dont forget i want that stock nav!!!

I haven't forgot bro.
for the speed sensor wire, i should just connect everything with the gmos06 harness as normal and not worry about the speed wire the d3 came with?

no
you need to connect the D3 to a speed sense wire
it uses that to detect your moving when you lose gps signal and on MOST newer navs its required to even get the nav to function
just put a small cut into that wire before the plug and connect it to the D3
heres a wiring schmatic for YOUR specific car a 2002 DTS with Nav

edit hold up i gotta load my ESI to get the pic and then host it

http://i24.tinypic.com/2ic18hk.jpg

i highlighted in blue the data

Perfect Thanks.

np
you remember all this help (saving you install charges which would be at LEAST 1k) when you quote me a price on that nav lol

for sure bro. ive been realizing how much help you fellas are with everything. great to have contacts like you. hopefully i can return the favors

hey man
like i said
we work a deal on that stock nav were gold
hell i woulda done your install for you if you lived closer or brought it to me!

no doubt on the nav deal. where do you stay?

lol
Pittsburgh PA

oh..........i stay in los angeles. would hav been nice though

i bet lol
hows the install going need some more info on anything?

Oh Ya. With The Gmos06 All Ill Have To Do Is Color Match The Wires With The Pioneer Power Harness And Connect The Pioneer Speed Signal Wire Into F2 Before The Final Mating Of The Gmos 06 And The Cadi 'into' Car Harness Right?might Be A Dumb Question But I Wanna Make Sure. Thanks

yuh
color match the wires on the radios (d3) harness to the gmos-06, then tap into F2 on the cars harness for the speed wire
you COULD tap into the wire at the PCM or the Cluster but why bother when you have a wire already run to the harness.

i sent you a pm about the the nav payment. hit me back up.
i installed the radio and is in use but i didnt hook up two fo the most importnat wires yet.....only becaue i was not sure how to do it.
when i installed the gmos06 to the pioneer power harness, it told me to attach the pioneer vss to the
gmos06 14 pin. what do i do? attach it to the gmos06 14 pin or the way you told me?
also it tells me to attach the pionner reverse wire to the 14 pin gmos 06 as well. Should i do it that way or attach it to the back up light?

sry pm box been full didnt get it
as for the wires connect them to the unit, i wouldnt waste my time interfacing them into the 06.

ok then. ill skip interfacing them to the gmos06 and connect them to the back up lights and speed signal spot on the og cadi harness like you said.

as for the stock nav......i guess 5 bens would be cool. shipping and changer included.
let me know so that i can get it going and you can send payment to my paypal account.
as soon as you decide yes....just pm me your address, etc.....and ill tell you what email adrress to send payment to on paypal.
deal?

cant post stuff like that on the forum
doesnt make mods happy

oops.....did not realize it.
im new to this. since about 07/2007 so was not familiar with that reg.
hope i didt f up too bad.
cadillacsts2003 pm me.
MODS, I APOLIGIZE.

hay cadillacsts2003, a little more help..........................

i remember that when i had my stock unit installed, pressing the onstar, emergency, or phone buttons would cause a screen to come up on the nav that would have phone features. (numbers, call, end, phonebook, etc....)

and when i would press memmory seat 2 the screen would restart, re-initialize its self and switch all the radio presets to a second drivers programmed choices.....
that said, i noticed today that when i press the onstar, emrgency assist, phone or memmory seat #2 buttons......the Pioneer nav restarts, re-initializes itself and starts up again, as if starting up the car.
is there any way to avoid that and have the screen stay "as is" when pressing those buttons?

oh and dont forget to pm me

pm back
wow
as far as going to d1 to d2 that i would expect, when you switch between D1 and D2 the data buss sends out a signal with the data

as far as the nav restarting with the onstar, that ive never herd, even in my own car when i put my n1 in temporarily
when it does this, does the nav actually power down then restart or does it just reset?

it doenst power down. just resets....and then starts initializing again, then the "pioneer" logo screen comes up for a bit, and then starts the regular av/nav interface (radio menu, etc...)

does the music stop playing?

well the onstar prompt and voice comes on while the system is reinitializing....i can hear that. all other sound like music is muted to allow the onstar sounds.

No Idea How To Help Huh............anyone?

sry been away my lap top is still virused up at Best Buy
anywho
my GUESS would be that you have to run your own constant wire from the batt to the yellow hu wire
this will allow a bypass of the interrupt assuming it cuts the radio out via the constant not the ignition

its prly on the switched ignition side, if it were cutting out on the constant side all his setting on the radio would reset everytime this happened.

I have an 02 DTS with the regular radio and bose. What dash kit do I need for the dbl din.

Its Most Likely The Same Kit.
I Think The Only Diff B/w Mine And Yours Might Be The Depth And The Radio Itself.

The Depth In Mine Might Be Deeper From Factory B/c I Had A Factory Nav.

Hay pentavolvo, any idea on how i can fix the problem

oh i see how it is
ask him for help now lol
guess im worthless

Hahahahahaha
No Not Worthless. You Helped Alot.
Just Thought He Might Have Some Ideas.
So Youll Hit Me Up As Soon As Youre Ready?

imho if it is an ignition thing you can only bypass it by connecting a constant to it in which your gonna have to run a switch or else your radio is on
or find an ignition power which is UN affected by onstar, like the cluster power, but then you will lose your 10 min accessoy retained power...

Well, Thanks Fellas..............i Figure That Since Im Not Going To Have Onstar Activated Soon. It Wont Be A Problem For Me Until I Decide To Re Activate It, Then Ill Attempt To Fix It.

actually
when you have your cars VICM reprogramed for the onstar update have them set it up for your got NOT having Nav
im betting that the fact your car is set up for nav that when you press the button the 1st time its expecting a voice command which normally mutes the radio via shutting off the amp
ill bet beyond a doubt THATS your problem

makes sense. i hope that fixes the sceen retarting and stuff.
thanks

i gotta agree that does make senes. how much modding do you have to do to the dash kit to get the dbl din in it

youll have to cut the pocket out to make room for the dd i did it using a hot typ of tool then sanded everything down

so any pics of the install?

i will but i still gotta touch it up a bit more. its not sitting as flush as i want it to. ima "Attempt" to fix that problem this weekend.

btw, i noticed some weird operations
1-sometimes the warning chime you hear when the key is in the ignition, comes on.......when my key isnt even in! Whats up with that?
2-Also i was driving today, like 60+ mph on freeway, when i had to slow down.........i probably went down to about 40 mph. The slow down was not gradual, more like "oh shit traffic is slowing down..." when all of a sudden my unit lost power. i tried pressing any button and still wouldnt turn on. so i had to pull over and restart the car in order for it to turn on again.
hasnt done it anymore, but i wanna know what happened?

3-when any warning chime or beep comes on,(low gas chime, back up chime, etc...) the radio sound from the stero pauses in order for the chime/beep to be audible......it didnt do that with the stock. with stock you would hear both stereo and chiem at the same time at normal volume. is that normal with GMOS06?

4-also, when the stereo is on an sound is audible, if i move the gear shift from where ever it is initially, (park, reverse, drive) the sound lowers significantly and then resumes normal audio level. Why is this also normal with the GMOS06?

thanks in avadnce an i hope you can help

fyi i posted this reply on the gmos06 problems tread too.

ok good news...sort of.
i checked the connections, and recrimmped some just to be sure.
the beeps are not as consistent as a wish they were, but got better.

while i was driving, the unit turned off once today. that was it. then turned back on after like 10 secs...so i still need help in this area. i connected the backup lead to the avic power harness but not to the back up lights yet...its just hanging in the trunk.
do you think thats what is causing the unit to power down suddenly. maybe it grounds itself like you mentioned earlier. let me know any ideas.

now, the onstar problem i had regarding the screen is fixed so that solves that.

i couldnt get the unit as flush as i thought it would go. dont know why, the stock nav and avic d3 seem to have the same depth............so i left it as is. i dont wanna cut anymore plastic than i had to. plus if i wanna get it in deeper i would have to cut steel and i dont wanna do that.
so i guess im happy....except for the power thing.

oh and the ill does not automatically turn to night mode so i still gotta rerout that wire to the headlights.
do you know wher the easiest place would be?

Well this install is finally done......

So any pot-install problems ive ran into and will be running into will be posted at another thread called-
"Problems w/GMOS06 & Avic D3 in 02 dev w/bose & onstar".

Thanks for the help.

i meant "...Post-Instal...", not Pot.
Oops.

ok. so im bringing this thread up from the dead because i have a power problem.

so i finally i decided to push in the d3 further an give it a flush look.
i cut the HARD AS HELL metal that is in the rear of the cavity and was able to push the hu further back.
i connected it again and of coarse it powered up. but as i was pushing it back in....th power cut out.
i could tell that the pushing was moving some wire in the back and was causing it to shut off.
so i pulled it out and power came back on. then i decided to go ahead and push it in and the power came off again.
i finished the install and now it has no power at all.

no beeps, sounds, nothing.
i thought maybe i disconnected some wires from the gmos06 so i decided to connect the factory unit to make sure power was being fed from the factory car harness to the gmos06.

well i plugged back in the stock unit and still no power. didnt turn on and, no beeps, sounds, nothing.

what happened?

i already disconnected the ground from the battery, waited.............truned the car on and still no power to radio harness.

HELP!

problem solved.
replaced fuse 21 under the rear seat.

problem solved.
replaced fuse 21 under rear seat.

hay sts2003,

im tryinhg to install the pacswips on my car and the directions say to connect the blue interface wire to the "d8 pin on the 40 pin harness next to the steering column". It says itll be dark blue or light green.
where is this 40 pin harness?
i think i found it under the column, tucked in somewhere i cant get it...it has a 40 on it.
how would i tap into it..it looks cramped.
am i right about the location