: 93-96 caddy fleetwood regulator



stonedraiders1213
07-31-07, 09:25 PM
can anybody help me out. im trying to find a driverside rear window regulator. does anybody have one for sale????

jayoldschool
07-31-07, 10:29 PM
Describe the symptoms of your problem in detail. It may not be the regulator...

stonedraiders1213
07-31-07, 11:00 PM
well I know its the regulator. the clips broke that hold the bar in that makes the window go up and down. the clips are these ones.

z06bigbird
08-01-07, 12:46 AM
Midnight auto supply!!

jayoldschool
08-01-07, 07:48 AM
well I know its the regulator. the clips broke that hold the bar in that makes the window go up and down. the clips are these ones.

Well, I am about to make your day and save you lots of cash. You don't need the whole regulator. You have a very common problem. In fact, GM redesigned the clips so they don't break. All you need to replace are two GM P/N 966-6748. They won't tell you this at the dealer, of course, they just try and sell you the whole assembly. The old rollers are oval and crack right in the middle, but the new ones are round and don't break.

Here is the procedure for you. When I did my window, it took me about 45 minutes, working slowly. A two beer job:thumbsup:

Also, let me suggest a couple of things (after you read below they will make sense). Don't drill out the rivets, just bend open the end of the track with a big screwdriver, and you don't need a small C clamp to install the new roller - small vise grips or pliers will work. One more thing: lube the track with some white spray grease while you are in there. You will be amazed at how well the window works now...

Here you go:
QUESTION: I need some help figuring out a problem with the right rear passenger window. When is lowered it is like it falls out the track or something and gets cockeyed. The only way to get it back up is to pull up on the back edge when raising the window. Although this has been posted/answered before, I have researched and came across (one of) the best compiled answers for it: This is for all you owners who have or WILL experience the pleasure of hearing a "POP" and finding that your window no longer rolls up correctly.

PROBLEM: The power window regulators move the door glass via a plastic retainer that slides in a metal guide mounted on the bottom of the glass. The standard equipment plastic retainer is a rectangle with a big hole in the middle where a ball tipped end of each regulator arm snaps into. The plastic fails (breaks) at the narrow sections and releases the arm which causes the window to fall on one side. This happens with age and use. NOTE: I have found this problem on 3 of my 4 doors!!

SOLUTION: Replace standard plastic guide with new design window roller: GM P/N 966-6748, List: $1.90 ea. Two required per window. Same part works on all windows. Also, I highly recommend purchasing new door panel retainers as old ones may break or be unusable after inside door panel removal, GM P/N 15600382, $0.43 ea, approximately 5 or 6 required per door. Buy small box of aluminum or steel 3/16 diameter rivets for 1/2" depth

HOW: Remove inside door panel, (Sounds easy), unsnap regulator arms from bottom glass channel (if attached), REMOVE glass from door. You must first drill out ONLY one of the 3/16 sized pop rivets that are present on each end of the channel AND remove/bend out the stops placed at the end of the channel (the same end as the rivet), Remove old retainers, grease channel with suitable grease (I used a white lithium based grease) and install two new rollers, replace pop-rivet, slide glass back into door and snap arms into rollers, and reassemble doors. NOTE: You do NOT have to re-bend the channel stop tabs back into place as they were only there to retain the plastic retainers during assembly.



EDITOR'S NOTE: From experience, I have found that the rivet does NOT have to be drilled out. Bend out the stops at one end of the channel and tap out the old/broken guides and replace with new roller guides. The stop doesn't have to be be bent back into position.

Wow! Sounds easy! Well, it is for those mechanically inclined. The front doors are relatively easy but the back doors are a more difficult as they require you to remove the channel guide in order to remove the glass. Also, getting the arms to snap into the new rollers can be difficult the first time. You must position the glass/arms such that you can get some pliers (in position in the door) to snap the arm into the roller. Heating the rollers helps to ease insertion (warm only as they will melt if too much heat is applied).

TOOLS REQUIRED: Phillips screwdriver, POP-Rivet gun/pliers, large pliers, various sized screw drivers for prying etc.

OTHER: Please retain part number of window roller otherwise you may have trouble identifying part via standard exploded view diagrams at parts counter (It is not there!!).





#2 Courtesy of Ken Orlando



Your problem is the same as many others on the list. The guide in the track has broken. The old versions look like little torpedoes, the new replacements are round and actually roll in the channel. Basically, you remove the door panel, bend the end (right next to the rivet) of the track (or grind a little notch with a dremel tool) on the side that failed, remove the old pink looking carrier (plastic) and replace it with the new teflon round one. After you bend the track at the very end, just inside the rivet (you'll see what I mean if you look at it), then insert the new roller. Take a small 2" C-clamp and press the window arm into the new roller. I can do it in about 10 minutes after the door panel is off.

Parts needed are: Rollers for the windows (8 needed to do all windows), PN - 09666748, Bearing (About $1.10ea) Plastic panel fasteners (5ea front door,4 ea back door) PN - 10161510, fastener, Special (about $.19 ea as I recall). I have done at least one roller on each window already and both on the front. When you have the panel off it would help if you put some wheel bearing grease in the track. This will keep the old style from binding and breaking. If you ever have one fail in the down position you can put the window up by having someone guide it while you activate the switch. Need any other help let me know.

NOTE - some folks will tell you to drill out the rivet, insert the new roller and replace the rivet with a screw and bolt. It's your choice - but I always go with what's easiest and what works. Getting those rivets out is no easy task. Hope this helps.

stonedraiders1213
08-01-07, 12:43 PM
:alchi:thanks alot for all the info. the best news ever. was about to spend alot on a new regulator. thanks again bro.:worship::worship::thumbsup:

cadillacmike68
08-03-07, 09:39 PM
Great explanation.

But it's a 4 beer job, you need someone to help you keep everything aligned and he needs beer too :highfive:

For the rear window, you can bump the switch to get it at the optimin height to get access to everything. Again, a friends will be an immense help.

The dealer should be able to supply you with the white plastic clips from similar year Eldorado and / or sevilles. That's how i got mine the first 4 or 5 times they broke :thepan:

Last time the parts counter person just handed me a few over the counter - said they got a supplier outside of GM and they are now considered "bench supplies at that dealer :) I'm still waiting for the next one to break though...

jayoldschool
08-03-07, 10:14 PM
I forgot one more thing. If you are doing this yourself, you will need to devise a way to hold the window up part way so you can do the roller replacement. What I did was to take a small towel and put it over the top of the door frame. Then, I used duct tape on the inside of the window, then up over the towel, and stuck on the outside. This way, the window stays exactly where you need it, and you don't damage the paint. Also, you can easily adjust the height of the window by taking the tape of the inside and raising/lowering and then the tape will re-stick.

Good luck!

Jason.

Patrick7997
08-10-07, 07:04 AM
This is a great post....

A friend of mine had this on a 93 Fleetwood... the tech was all set to put a regulator in it, I told her "hold on, let me print out a post for you"...

Turned out, this was it!!!

Thanks

atikovi
05-10-12, 12:14 PM
HOW: Remove inside door panel, (Sounds easy), unsnap regulator arms from bottom glass channel (if attached), REMOVE glass from door.

I just did a rear window and don't see any reason to remove the glass from the door. And the rollers are now over $7 each.

85 FLEETWOOD COUPE
05-10-12, 04:00 PM
I wish they made a video for this lol

Cadillacboy
05-10-12, 04:08 PM
That's a lot of useful tips by jay :D :highfive:
I think his posts could be good reference point about bad window problems

jayoldschool
05-10-12, 08:26 PM
FWIW, I don't remove the window when I do the rollers either...