FYI - A "First Drive" report on the upcoming 2008 Cadillac CTS is now available at MotorTrend.com
Here's the link:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_cadillac_cts
I've attached some photos copied over from the MT article.
Cheers
Rab

Rab!The car is stunning! Thanks for the link too!

Attached photo #2 of 4 copied over from MT article...

Attached photo #3 of 4 copied over from MT article...

Attached photo #4 of 4 copied over from MT article...

Thanks, RAB! Great post! Damn (!) that car looks good!

Hotness, they tested it at Nurburing?!

Though MT has a slight Domestic sway, and an even larger 3-series sway:




The new CTS deserves a creamy BMW six under the hood. Yes, it's that good.

More important, the CTS drives like a proper BMW rival. It's light and agile on its feet, with quick steering response yet impressive straight-line stability at speed, and a StabiliTrak system that's beautifully tuned to be almost unobtrusive in its interventions.

The new CTS isn't quite the Standard of the World. But it's certainly world class. The best damn Cadillac sedan in 50 years? Easily.

Even our CTSs were tested and tuned at Nurburing.

I like the car I guess. Im not a huge fan of the shape but I do like it. I guess Im just biased towards my CTS. The interior is difnately way nicer than my CTS but for some reason I hate how that steering wheel looks. I do love that big sun roof!!

one other thing- I say, bring it on you DI bitches. My non DI 3.6 CTS can hit a 5.9 zero to 60!! :gun2:

Another FYI for the information hungry...
A "Road Test" report on the 2008 Cadillac CTS is now available at CarandDriver.com
Here is the link:
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/13537/2008-cadillac-cts.html
C & D's 'road test' (and MT's 'first drive') articles will appear in the September magazine issues. Similar reports should also be found in the Sept. issues of Road & Track and Automobile.
Cheers
Rab

Finally we see GM doing the right things.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/13537/2008-cadillac-cts.html

merged
come on guys, 1 thread is enough

As Mr. Lutz said, the best products come when a company is just about dead :D

Now the vehicles that will try to keep GM afloat, the GMT900 hybrids...

The UAW is trying thier level best to put GM out of business.As Mr. Lutz said, the best products come when a company is just about dead :D

Now the vehicles that will try to keep GM afloat, the GMT900 hybrids...

merged
come on guys, 1 thread is enough

Picky, picky, picky.
Ok Urbanski - sorry for the transgression.

Here's another link to a 'First Drive' article on the '08 CTS. This particular road test is posted at the Edmunds Inside Line site:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=101188

Winding Road magazine also has a nice write-up of the 08 CTS: http://www.windingroadonline.com/windingroad/200709/?folio=1

:cheers:

That was a pretty nice write up and I finally got to see a half decent photo of the pop-up Nav http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_22z+2008_cadillac_CTS+driver_view.jpg

The UAW is trying thier level best to put GM out of business.

CAW here in Canada too ;) They're almost succeeded with Chrysler ;)

I didnt like it much at first but man its growing on me. I want to see the great color CTS....you know? Black

Picky, picky, picky. Ok Urbanski - sorry for the transgression.


Go get em Urb!


This is an American car with a German chassis: not exactly like a Mercedes or a BMW, but taut, tied down, nicely balanced, and stable at high speeds.

You know, I am really getting sick and f**kin tired of MT, CD, and RT always putting MB and BMW up on the pedestal. These idiots are a big part of the reason there is such a bias against American cars. And why BMW and MB owners are so friggin snooty. F**k em. :rant2:

I love that new interior. Gotta get that transplanted into the V.

http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/new/cockpit.jpg

I feel like I could slap on the 08 bumper and grille and my 03 would lose 5 years.

That was a pretty nice write up and I finally got to see a half decent photo of the pop-up Nav http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_22z+2008_cadillac_CTS+driver_view.jpg

Is that you driving over 150 mph??? :eek: hahaha! :thumbsup:
You got a head mounted camera? :D

Nice shot! Finally a picture of the pop up nav. That looks very good actually. And it is positioned well to my opinion.

That was a pretty nice write up and I finally got to see a half decent photo of the pop-up Nav http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_22z+2008_cadillac_CTS+driver_view.jpg

Here's my equivalent:
http://www.pichotel.com/pic/3273LP0k7/138464.jpg

Attached photo #4 of 4 copied over from MT article... If it drives better then the outgoing model, as good as these magazines are saying it does, and it looks like it does in this photo, Im sold! Looks like Im getting an 08 :) :) RWD, 6 spd man and the DI...sounds great :)

The test sheet reports 5.8 secs 0-60 and 2.7 lock to lock steering ratio. Wooo, that's sharp!

points for photoing the fuel limiter!

That was a pretty nice write up and I finally got to see a half decent photo of the pop-up Nav http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_22z+2008_cadillac_CTS+driver_view.jpg
Why the fugg is the airbag light on?

no more auto/ manual tranny hybrid sport mode for this year I guess

didnt the 06-07 have a shifter that let you shift manually if you wanted?



http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_17z+2008_cadillac_CTS+center_stack.jpg

Why the fugg is the airbag light on?

Maybe because at these speeds the airbag wouldn't help you anymore...?

no more auto/ manual tranny hybrid sport mode for this year I guess

didnt the 06-07 have a shifter that let you shift manually if you wanted?


Yes: tip-tronic :thumbsup:

no more auto/ manual tranny hybrid sport mode for this year I guess

didnt the 06-07 have a shifter that let you shift manually if you wanted?



http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_17z+2008_cadillac_CTS+center_stack.jpg

Thats what the + M - on the right side of the shifter means...Manual Mode:thepan:

Thats what the + M - on the right side of the shifter means...Manual Mode:thepan:
oh yeah i didnt sww that:thumbsup: nice catch.....i wonder how far over the shifter goes :confused:

Here's the car I actually see as a competitor to the 3.6 DI AWD CTS

2008 BMW 535xi



AutoWeek | Published 07/25/07, 2:09 pm et
AT A GLANCE:
2008 BMW 535XI
AS-TESTED PRICE: $70,905
DRIVETRAIN: 3.0-liter twin-turbocharged I6; awd, six-speed automatic
OUTPUT: 300 hp @ 5800 rpm, 300 lb-ft @ 1400-5000 rpm
CURB WEIGHT: 3946 lb
FUEL ECONOMY (EPA/AW): 19/22.2 mpg
OPTIONS: Adaptive cruise control ($2,400); night vision ($2,200); premium package, including leather upholstery, integrated garage-door opener, auto-dimming mirrors, ambient light package ($2,100); navigation package ($1,900); sport package, including multicontour front seats, sport steering wheel, shadowline trim ($1,300); head-up display ($1,200); premium maintenance package ($1,200); comfort access system ($1,000); cold-weather package, including heated front seats, headlight washers, heated steering wheel ($750); park distance control ($700); satellite radio ($595); rear sunshades ($575); HD radio ($500); lane-departure warning ($500); fold-down rear seats ($475); iPod and USB adapter ($400); rear side airbags ($385); heated rear seats ($350)





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OUR TAKE: We probably shouldn’t have been surprised to find that a 5 Series will run north of $70,000 when you slather on all the bells and whistles, but with a base sticker of $52,375, those extras add up to near a whole new Mini’s worth. Given that perspective, we don’t know how many 5 Series shoppers will opt for the six-cylinder optioned out to the gills—that is, unless even Bimmer buyers are becoming more conscious of fuel prices.

As for its driving characteristics, it is everything you come to expect from BMW. We were particularly interested to find out just how well the twin-turbocharged I6 from the 335i would perform in this heavier application. The old motor was frankly underpowered and required you to really stand on the throttle to get anywhere. With this, power is available instantly and moves the 5 forward swiftly. At no time did we want for the extra jolt of the highline V8. Throttle response is superb, and the steering, naturally, is near perfect.

If there is one thing we’d love to see, it is the paddle-mounted shifters. The drive-by-wire auto-manual in this car sits in the standard shift position, but BMW insists on doing something that’s counterintuitive (and it needn’t be): In most cars, pulling the shifter toward you shifts the tranny down a gear, while pushing it forward shifts up; here it is reversed, and more than once we found ourselves upshifting when we wanted to downshift.

Did I mention the cadillac is a lot better looking and almost half the cost of its german rival.

Why does anyone think the CTS will be a success.

Those are the reasons. Compare the "ultimate driving machine" at 70 grand! OUCH!

OPTIONS: Adaptive cruise control ($2,400); night vision ($2,200); premium package, including leather upholstery, integrated garage-door opener, auto-dimming mirrors, ambient light package ($2,100); navigation package ($1,900); sport package, including multicontour front seats, sport steering wheel, shadowline trim ($1,300); head-up display ($1,200); premium maintenance package ($1,200); comfort access system ($1,000); cold-weather package, including heated front seats, headlight washers, heated steering wheel ($750); park distance control ($700); satellite radio ($595); rear sunshades ($575); HD radio ($500); lane-departure warning ($500); fold-down rear seats ($475); iPod and USB adapter ($400); rear side airbags ($385); heated rear seats ($350)

OMG! the only thing missing is the $500 Vente sized cup holder option.

I cannot believe how much they charge for some of that. BMW buyers are the ones who are filthy rich AND crazy

Looking good. I can't wait to see this car in person. Should be a winner in my book

Sorry current CTS drivers but that is one bad S.O.B !

Did I mention the cadillac is a lot better looking and almost half the cost of its german rival.
Why does anyone think the CTS will be a success.
Those are the reasons. Compare the "ultimate driving machine" at 70 grand! OUCH!

JB, excellent post. The Autoweek article is interesting, to say the least.
Why anyone would want to pay $22,000-$24,000 MORE for a fully optioned BMW 535xi vs. a fully optioned 3.6 DI AWD CTS is beyond me. Of course, for the added cost of the BMW, the buyer gets Bangle-ized (read: WEIRD) styling, and a car (among all the others within BMW's line) that has proven to be unreliable. I suppose that's the price of exclusivity (ahem, yeah right)... or rather, more like the price of compensating BMW for the high cost of the German auto worker.
The new '08 CTS is an extremely sharp car, in every respect. The current 5 Series is decidely unattractive (almost everyone will agree with that, if they're being honest), and this ultimately represents a failure for BMW, both stylistically and commercially. Who knows, maybe the next 5 Series car will be prettier.
Frankly, I can afford either car. I've chosen the '08 CTS for reasons of spot-on contemporary styling and genuine product excitement. The huge dollar difference, on comparison of the 535xi vs. the 3.6 DI AWD CTS, just happens to be a terrific added benefit.
Competition is wonderful, and I'm really enjoying seeing what this company (Cadillac/GM) is capable of when pushed to the brink. For me, I think it's a great time to be involved in all of this, both as an observer/auto enthusiast and a consumer.
Cheers
Rab.

You are comparing 2 separate classes of cars. Regardless of how big the CTS is, its still entry level in terms of cost. People shop by cost, afaik. Compare that CTS to the 335i.

You are comparing 2 separate classes of cars. Regardless of how big the CTS is, its still entry level in terms of cost. People shop by cost, afaik. Compare that CTS to the 335i.

true, that's why the car mags always put the cts up against the 328 in comparos

The 328 might cost the same as the CTS but the car rivals the 528 in size. The fact that the CTS costs less than the 528 is an added bonus.

Which to chose? The beautiful new AWD CTS with 300hp or the weak ugly 5 AWD series?

Hard to decide for sure.

What would you chose?

well, i dont think you can get both 300 hp and awd, the DI only comes rwd.

but i thing i would definitely go CTS, oh wait, i did already!

well, i dont think you can get both 300 hp and awd, the DI only comes rwd.

but i thing i would definitely go CTS, oh wait, i did already!


Both engines do AWD, DI inclusive.

Anyone catch the latest Motortrend review of the CTS? Looks like it'll be a very nice car. They commented on the heavily revised rear end of the car and said the handling is finally really competitive w/ the Germans. Interior looks top-notch too! I can't wait for the V... :worship:

I may get flamed for mentioning another article but here goes - The upcoming C63 AMG looks awesome! They detuned it a little to ~450hp/430tq (I can't remember the exact numbers) but the aftermarket will take car of that. For once, they say AMG has created a car that will likely out-accelerate and out-handle the upcoming M3. Base price at about $63k. Throw in a manual transmission and I would probably consider it :thepan:

I may get flamed for mentioning another article but here goes - The upcoming C63 AMG looks awesome! They detuned it a little but the aftermarket will take car of that. For once, they say AMG has created a car that will likely out-accelerate and out-handle the upcoming M3. Base price at about $63k. Throw in a manual transmission and I would probably consider it :thepan:

You went over the line, you are permanently banned:stirpot:-J.K., those Uber cars are nice, but at $63K they cannot be considered over the '09 V.

my bad, its the FE3 suspension that's only available with rwd and DI

The new CTS looks great and the interior is a big improvement. I'll be surprised if the '09V has anything north of 525hp (via de-tuned LS7). Ah rumors, sorry for "going there." I will tell you that if it has under 550hp I might not consider it. Although a pulley, headers and cat-back could solve for that issue...

How's things Tom, you're a new Dad right?!

IBTMg

Me too! :postwhore3:

Here's the link to the article.

www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_cadillac_cts/

Base price at about $63k. Throw in a manual transmission and I would probably consider it :thepan:

For 63K they (MB) includes a frame, motor, and wheels. Everything else is extra.

I have nothing to add except that my ballz itch...

I have nothing to add except that my ballz itch...


I think they have a shampoo for that.... :D

I may end up in an AMG next year if the 09 V is not what it should be. I really want to stay Cadillac for the next round of the horsepower war. The 08 CTS is a step in the right direction for GM.

How's things Tom, you're a new Dad right?!


Baby boy (Bennett) is doing very well. Takes after Daddy and gravitates right to the breast. He'll gain weight fast and will hopefully be out of the hospital in the next couple of weeks!

The 328 might cost the same as the CTS but the car rivals the 528 in size. The fact that the CTS costs less than the 528 is an added bonus.

Which to chose? The beautiful new AWD CTS with 300hp or the weak ugly 5 AWD series?

Hard to decide for sure.

What would you chose?That 300 hp 5 series is NOT weak. If its tuned the same as the 335, its actually making about 300 whp. Thats alot more then any non-V CTS, which at best is around 260.

They still aren't cross-shoppable either. My family has been buying BMW's for as long as I can remember, and thats just not a way they would go about it. 99% of the population buy what they can afford, or almost afford.

I am looking at a 335i myself. Along with the new CTS and the new G35. And I'll bet those cars will be pitted against each other in all the magazines.

The new CTS looks great and the interior is a big improvement. I'll be surprised if the '09V has anything north of 525hp (via de-tuned LS7). Ah rumors, sorry for "going there." I will tell you that if it has under 550hp I might not consider it. Although a pulley, headers and cat-back could solve for that issue...

How's things Tom, you're a new Dad right?!

The gauges & buttons look VERY SIMILAR to a car company called "Infinity" :tisk::tisk::tisk:

Wouldn't people consider a 528ix which is priced higher than the CTS but not as high as the 530 ix? or 535 ix ?

The gauges & buttons look VERY SIMILAR to a car company called "Infinity" :tisk::tisk::tisk:I believe you mean Infiniti...

I have nothing to add except that my ballz itch...

:hijacked:

Yeah Doc I have this rash.....

Motor Trend - "It's not just the best-handling Caddy in history, but probably the best-handling American sedan ever."

I guess we should just go park our CTS-V's. Seems the '08 CTS will out handle them.
Angus MacKenzie of Motor Trend, with his infinite wisdom and unparalleled driving skills, says so. :bigroll:

Motor Trend - "It's not just the best-handling Caddy in history, but probably the best-handling American sedan ever."

I guess we should just go park our CTS-V's. Seems the '08 CTS will out handle them.
Angus MacKenzie of Motor Trend, with his infinite wisdom and unparalleled driving skills, says so. :bigroll:

It may handle well but it is dissapointing that they describe the engine as being rough especially at the higher rpms. They say it is worthy of a smooth BMW inline 6. It is really a shame that Caddy has produced a such a great car but can't give it a great engine. I drove a V6 SRX rental car and while it is fast, the engine is so rough that it makes the whole car feel cheap. Why can't GM understand that the engine must sing to make you want to drive the car just to hear the engine. The cheap sounding engine will mar what should be a triumphant return to the top for Caddy. The car will lose comparison tests and then sales to the Germans who know how to make quality 6 cylinder engines. Bummer...

Motor Trend - "It's not just the best-handling Caddy in history, but probably the best-handling American sedan ever."

I guess we should just go park our CTS-V's. Seems the '08 CTS will out handle them.
Angus MacKenzie of Motor Trend, with his infinite wisdom and unparalleled driving skills, says so. :bigroll:

It may handle well but it is dissapointing that they describe the engine as being rough especially at the higher rpms. They write that the car is so good that it is worthy of a smooth BMW inline 6. It is really a shame that Caddy has produced a such a great car but can't give it a great engine. I drove a V6 SRX rental car and while it is fast, the engine is so rough that it makes the whole car feel cheap. That's why SRX's are not selling well. Buyers want quality but the Caddy V6 sounds and feels like a tractor. Why can't GM understand that an engine must sing to make you want to drive the car. I often find an excuse to drive my V just to hear the engine. A cheap sounding engine will mar what should be a triumphant return to the top for Caddy. The new CTS will lose comparison tests because of it and then sales to the Germans who know how to make quality 6 cylinder engines. Then in 3 years after being berated by the automotive press, GM will wake up and do something about it -too late. Bummer...

That 300 hp 5 series is NOT weak. If its tuned the same as the 335, its actually making about 300 whp. Thats alot more then any non-V CTS, which at best is around 260.

They still aren't cross-shoppable either. My family has been buying BMW's for as long as I can remember, and thats just not a way they would go about it. 99% of the population buy what they can afford, or almost afford.

I am looking at a 335i myself. Along with the new CTS and the new G35. And I'll bet those cars will be pitted against each other in all the magazines.

Attn: AznPrydeRegalRyde
You might have checked some of the facts before forwarding this argument. (I spoke of arguments in one of my recents posts...).
Anyway, in your prior post, you made a reference to price being the primary dictate of where a car should be 'positioned' in the marketplace, and therefore must only do battle with like-priced competitor models. Okay....
With that in mind, and based on PRICE (together with size of vehicle - surely you can't discount the importance of size of vehicle in the arena of luxury vehicle "pecking order"), JB advised correctly that BMW's competitor vehicle to the 2008 DI (304-hp) SIDI AWD CTS is the 528i, or shall we say the 528xi (the AWD version of the 528i). The base price of the 528xi is $47,255, which is equivalent in price to the 'fully optioned' SIDI AWD CTS (which would include Navigation and everything else available on the CTS). On the 528xi, for your $47,255 you get an engine with 230-hp, together with a base model car that is missing a whole lot of equipment... until you start ticking a lot of boxes. As well, if you want 300-hp on your 5 Series AWD car, you will need to dig deeper into your pocket, for thousands of dollars more.
Your comment that 99% of the population only buys what they can afford infers that all buyers are basically like sheep, and hence only want to make a statement to all about the high dollar they paid for something... (rather than exhibiting smart shopper/informed buyer qualities to obtain an equal or greater product at a reduced cost)... is elitist and past-tense, in my view. I think we can give a lot of people more credit than that.
With the '08 CTS, I believe that Cadillac is re-positioning the car to the next segment. Like it or not, everyone will have to deal with that. Including the likes of BMW and Mercedes, and their historic customer base.

Interesting times, these are. If Cadillac has their way, your family and others may just be in for a re-education where future luxury car acquisition is concerned. :)

Cheers
Rab.

Driving Impression: 2008 Cadillac CTS

Fine-tuned at the Nürburgring, again. And it shows.


By Andrew Bornhop • Photos by Bert Swift
September 2007

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There’s an all-new CTS in town, replacing the original that made its debut six years ago and far exceeded Cadillac’s sales expectations. By the company’s count, some 300,000 CTSs are now on the road, spearheading the company’s renaissance with edgy “Art & Science” bodywork on the sporty rear-drive Sigma chassis that was fine-tuned on the Nürburgring in Germany. In size, it slotted between the BMW 3 Series and 5 Series, two cars Cadillac clearly had in mind when it developed the CTS.
Well, the all-new 2008 CTS is here, and guess what — it’s the same length as before, but with a 2.0-in.-wider track that’s the equal of its larger STS brother. And it’s based on a strengthened Sigma chassis that has an all-new upper structure. Also tuned on the Ring, this new CTS has bodywork best described as evolutionary. It’s a bit slab-sided, but the pronounced fender flares make the car look especially aggressive, with 17- or 18-in. tires filling out the wheel wells nicely. Interesting stylistic details include die-cut metal heat vents in the front fenders and ribbed vertical LED light tubes in the headlights and taillights, which give the new CTS a highly technical look.
And technology is at its peak underhood, where the base engine, the familiar 258-bhp port-injected 3.6-liter V-6, is now joined by a direct-injected 3.6-liter V-6 with 304 bhp at 6400 rpm. This aluminum block 24-valve powerplant with chain-driven overhead camshafts is a gem, fitted with a forged crankshaft, coated pistons and variable valve timing that spreads the torque across a wide rev band. Peak torque of 273 lb.-ft. arrives at 5200 rpm, but there’s already 220 lb.-ft. on tap as low as 1000 rpm. As for performance, expect 60 mph to arrive in about 6 seconds.
Direct injection of fuel into the combustion chambers does wonderful things. According to Cadillac, the new V-6 makes 15 percent more horsepower and 8 percent more torque than the port-injected 3.6-liter, while getting 3 percent better fuel economy and reducing cold-start emissions by 25 percent. So, the new CTS is unusual in that its optional, more powerful engine is actually more economical than the base powerplant, although the official EPA fuel economy ratings of both cars are expected to be 17 mpg city/27 mpg highway.
Cadillac has gone to great lengths to silence the ticking sound of the high-pressure (1750-psi) injectors. With proprietary rubber O-rings isolating the moving part of the injectors from the stainless-steel fuel rail, plus strategic use of dense foam around the mechanical fuel pump, in the engine’s valley and in other underhood areas, the new CTS, says Cadillac, is quieter than Audi’s benchmarked direct-injected engines. Further quieting efforts include a laminated firewall, an acoustic engine cover, a full-perimeter hood seal and a sound-absorbing bellypan that also reduces drag. The efforts have paid off, as the engine is loud only near its 7000-rpm fuel cutoff point.
And with the new 6-speed automatic transmission in manual mode, it’s easy to accidentally bump the engine off its rev limiter by forgetting to nudge the gear lever. This is a great gearbox and, dare I say it, more entertaining than the base 6-speed manual, an Aisin-built unit with vague linkage nowhere near as precise as that of the previous CTS’s manual. At any rate, the GM-built Hydra-Matic auto is the star. In automatic mode, it shifts smoothly, right when you’d expect. With the lever in the manual gate, the car engages Sport mode, which translates to crisper upshifts and throttle-blip downshifts when the car is being driven aggressively. It works well, and if the driver chooses to call for a downshift via the lever, the transmission allows it when most others won’t, even letting the engine zoom close to redline in the lower gear.
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If there’s one small complaint, it’s this: In manual mode, when the driver lets off the throttle, the automatic tends to hold a gear longer than it should before upshifting, a problem that’s fixable with simple programming, says CTS chief engineer Dave Leone. On a positive note, CTS models with the automatic are now available with all-wheel drive; an active transfer case bolted to the gearbox sends 75 percent of the power rearward in most situations to give the car a rear-wheel-drive feel, but can send as much as 100 percent of it forward if needed, making the CTS much more worthy of consideration in states with real winters. The system works in conjunction with StabiliTrak yaw control, which is standard on every 2008 CTS.
Three suspension levels are available: FE1, with an emphasis primarily on ride comfort; FE2 with more of an emphasis on handling; and FE3, with an emphasis on outright performance. Interestingly, all three have the same springs; it’s just the tuning of the dampers and anti-roll bars that differs, along with the size of the wheels, tires and brakes. The FE1 rides on 235/55R-17 all-season tires and, like the FE2, has 12.4-in. front rotors. The FE2 and FE3, both fitted with limited-slip differentials, ride on 235/50ZR-18s, although the FE3’s are Michelin Pilot Sport 2 summer tires that stick like the proverbial cat to Velcro. FE3 models are fitted with huge 13.6-in. front rotors, gripped by 2-piston cast-iron calipers that are better at absorbing brake heat than the aluminum ones on the FE1 and FE2 cars.
And speaking of aluminum, the CTS employs gobs of the lightweight metal — in the standard shock tower brace, in the upper and lower front A-arms and knuckles, and in the cradle and upper control arms of the multilink rear suspension. The differential housing is also aluminum, and now boasts three mounts instead of two.
I drove both an FE2 and an FE3 CTS on the Autobahn and at the Nürburgring’s Nordschleife, two venues where much of the final testing of the CTS was carried out by GM test drivers such as Rick Kewley, who has more than 200 laps around the Ring and gave me a ride I’ll never forget (see roadandtrack.com for video highlights). My initial impressions: On the Autobahn, the CTS is completely at home. Triple door seals help keep it quiet inside, and although the car is on the firm side, the added stability that the suspension provides at 140 mph is much appreciated. The CTS’s steering is not light nor nervous. Bend it into a sweeping corner at triple-digit speeds and the car responds with composure, its speed-sensitive ZF steering rack — now with “front-steer” geometry — responding with good linearity.
On the Nordschleife, it’s clear the engineers have done their homework. The CTS feels, well, like a German sedan on this hallowed 14-mile road course in the Eifel forest. Yes, I was learning the track (taking the slow sections fast and the fast sections slow, as all beginners do), but I could appreciate the excellent suspension damping, the minimal, well-controlled body roll, and a manageable hint of understeer on corner entry. Balance is excellent (51/49, says Cadillac), and with StabiliTrak set in the less-intrusive “Competitive Driving Mode,” I couldn’t sense any yaw control kicking in.
Although the new Cadillac is dynamically impressive, its biggest area of improvement is its interior. Gone is the somewhat funky futuristic design of the old CTS cabin, replaced by one that’s far more modern and attractive, benefiting from extra width, a bit more rear knee room (thanks to thinner front seatbacks) and six standard airbags. All of the materials have a high-quality look and feel, and the controls of the handsome V-shaped center stack are both artfully integrated and easy to understand and use. Particularly well-designed is the large pop-up navigation touch screen, whose top section always remains visible to convey radio station information and the like. The analog gauges are also a model of clarity, with an oil-pressure readout reminding us that this CTS is a serious sports sedan.
But it’s also one that’s keeping apace with the always-advancing world of “infotainment,” and it does so in some intriguing new ways. Every CTS is fitted with a 40-gig onboard hard drive, which allows folks to “rip” their favorite CDs and create their own custom playlists. What’s more, the CTS has full iPod and USB connectivity, and a radio form of Tivo, which allows listeners to pause and rewind radio broadcasts of any kind — all this in addition to standard OnStar and XM satellite radio. Options include swiveling HID headlamps, keyless ignition, remote starting and a killer 300-watt Bose audio system.
Boiled down to what matters most to the basic car, the new Lansing, Michigan-built 2008 Cadillac CTS — with its excellent powertrain, great handling, substantially improved interior and dramatic new styling — succeeds on all levels. Look for the cars to arrive in September

giant post. The link suffices.
I read the article and it is good!

Sorry about the depth of the post. I was excited and wanted to share it with you guys. Next time I'll try and remember to just post a link especially if thats the forums rules.

Makes sense. Like I said I thought you guys would get a kick out of it.

A new sport photo gallery featuring the '08 Cadillac CTS, BMW 335i and Mercedes-Benz C350 has been posted at AutomobileMag.com
Here's the link:
http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0709_2008_cadillac_cts_bmw_335i_mercedes_benz_c350/

Haven't yet spotted an '08 CTS first-drive report at the magazine's website. It should show up in the next few days.
There are a few nice photos in the gallery. I've attached one of them here...

A new sport photo gallery featuring the '08 Cadillac CTS, BMW 335i and Mercedes-Benz C350 has been posted at AutomobileMag.com
Here's the link:
http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0709_2008_cadillac_cts_bmw_335i_mercedes_benz_c350/

Haven't yet spotted an '08 CTS first-drive report at the magazine's website. It should show up in the next few days.
There are a few nice photos in the gallery. I've attached one of them here...

That's a nice photo. At least someone put the Cadillac in front on something...

Not interested in the article; probably be another "this is the best cadillac chassis ever, just shy of MB and BMW standards...." F em all to hell (the journalists that is). Then bring em back and F em again. The pricks. (can you tell I have an axe to grind)

That's a nice photo. At least someone put the Cadillac in front on something...

Not interested in the article; probably be another "this is the best cadillac chassis ever, just shy of MB and BMW standards...." F em all to hell (the journalists that is). Then bring em back and F em again. The pricks. (can you tell I have an axe to grind)

Hey JimmyHauser... you have an axe to grind? I'd have never guessed!
You're right though -- the journalists at the car mags will find something to criticise about the '08 CTS. I suspect the main ones will be about the steering (with comments of 'insufficient feel') and the engine ('too unrefined at high rpm').
I think the overall goodness of the car though will make criticisms like those just seem like sour grapes.
It'll be interesting to see the comparison reports when they start showing up over the next couple of months. We'll of course cheer the good ones, and label the overly critical ones as having been written by complete idiots.
Cheers
Rab.

what bothers me the most is the cover of the new MT "best damn caddy in 50 years"
so in other words, there exists a 1957 Cadillac that is better than the 2008 CTS. Morons.

[/quote]
We're getting into marketing demo's,buyer practices, etc. And since thats my day-to-day work, Id prefer not to. I like to leave my work at work. :) Regardlesss...

Ok, let me get this straight. You are saying that the next CTS will be a competitor to the 5 series, and not the 3-series? Why then does the link and pics you've posted below have the CTS lined up against a 3-series and a C-class?

It doesn't matter where GM/Caddy decide to position the car. It matters more what the magazine editors think and what the buying publics perception of the car is. And since the CTS will be the cheapest in the lineup, Cadillac will have a very hard time convincing everyone that its replacing the STS while the STS is still being sold.

By the way, elitest or not, most of the public DOES in fact buy what they can afford, and lots of times, they buy more then they can afford. Its a major problem I deal with it all the time in my line of work. The upper middle class are the highest debtors of all the demographics.

So heres my question to you then. Assuming you are right.
What happens to the STS? We all know the STS was aimed at the 5-series. And the STS-V was always pitted against the M5 and CLS/E55 AMG.


What will people buy from Cadillac who are looking for a 3-series competitor?

By the way, Im enjoying the discussion. Not an argument at all, assuming its been misinterpreted that way.

I see the cts as a competitor to the 5 series.

I don't see the very small 3 series as such.

Since I'm a buyer and I am comparing the 528xi to the CTS AWD 3.6 DI.

I hate to say it but as much as we read magazines and think their opinion counts most? Its not always the case.

Sometimes the buying public is ahead of the curve compared to the magazines...

Old perceptions die hard even if they are only 20 years or so.

The beauty and enticement of the new CTS is the old Adage (sp) that foreign cars are better takes yet another death blow...

The first CTS was a good strike at it as well.

and just so you know back in the late 60's, the 70's and 80's I was an import fanatic...and then one day you wake up and see what the domestic brands especially GM offers and there is no comparision.

I laugh all the time as I hear people who know nothing about cars (not anyone here) talk how they would never buy an american car because they are crap! and foreign cars are superior.

More fiction than fact in my opinion.

MOTOR TREND sUCKS MY BALLS


one of these days, I am going to their forums and spam the shit out of them with such hatred that i will get banned immediately. the pricks

Originally Posted by AznPrydeRegalRyde

[/Quote]We're getting into marketing demo's,buyer practices, etc. And since thats my day-to-day work, Id prefer not to. I like to leave my work at work. :) Regardlesss...
Ok, let me get this straight. You are saying that the next CTS will be a competitor to the 5 series, and not the 3-series? Why then does the link and pics you've posted below have the CTS lined up against a 3-series and a C-class?
It doesn't matter where GM/Caddy decide to position the car. It matters more what the magazine editors think and what the buying publics perception of the car is. And since the CTS will be the cheapest in the lineup, Cadillac will have a very hard time convincing everyone that its replacing the STS while the STS is still being sold.
By the way, elitest or not, most of the public DOES in fact buy what they can afford, and lots of times, they buy more then they can afford. Its a major problem I deal with it all the time in my line of work. The upper middle class are the highest debtors of all the demographics.
So heres my question to you then. Assuming you are right.
What happens to the STS? We all know the STS was aimed at the 5-series. And the STS-V was always pitted against the M5 and CLS/E55 AMG.
What will people buy from Cadillac who are looking for a 3-series competitor?
By the way, Im enjoying the discussion. Not an argument at all, assuming its been misinterpreted that way.[/Unquote]


> I'm enjoying the discussion as well. I have a hunch, though, that you're being a bit of a devil's advocate with this. In another post you've mentioned you have an '08 CTS on order. :stirpot:

We're definitely getting into marketing demographics, buyer practices, etc.
To be clear, in my opinion, the next CTS will be a competitor to the BMW 5 Series and the 3 Series (as well as the M-B E-Class and the C-Class... together with the Infiniti M35/M45 and the G35). The recent AutomobileMag photo(s) I posted were of a black CTS shown with a 335i and a C350. I really liked the photography, and that is why I posted the photos. I did not agree however with the magazine's decision to arbritrarily include the "historic" German competitors with the CTS in the photos. The magazines will continue to get this wrong for a while. Frankly, I don't care much for what magazine editors think, and the buying public's perceptions do gradually change. I believe the introduction of the '08 CTS will be an impetus for significant change in perceptions, at least where the sport-luxury segment is concerned.

Cadillac will have quite a hard time moving STS vehicles once the new CTS hits showrooms. Buyers will ask themselves why they should consider paying thousands of dollars more for a vehicle (the STS) that is virtually the same size as the CTS, has similar content as the CTS, but is not as exciting and young/fresh looking (both inside and out) as the CTS. I think Cadillac has made a mistake with the '08 STS by not offering the much-improved ('08 CTS-like) interior as what is going into the new STS (the SLS?) being marketed in China. Not sure though if that alternate interior would improve to a great extent the overall picture for the STS in North America. Even with its '08 enhancements for N.A., the STS will still appear to be somewhat stodgy and out of step in comparison to the new CTS.

It's quite unfortunate, the state of affairs with the upper middle class demographic -- and they're supposed to represent some of the smartest among us! Many are just too busy trying to impress others with age-old perception, rather than contemporary common sense.

What will happen to the STS? I think the model, such as it is, will go way in a couple of years. I believe Cadillac will introduce a new vehicle that will do battle with BMW's 7 Series (as well as M-B's S-Class and the Lexus LS).
With the disappearance of the STS, Cadillac will elevate the CTS somewhat further, and make available more optional equipment. By then there will be a CTS coupe and convertible, as well as a wagon model for Europe.
I also believe that Cadillac will introduce in North America, before too long, an appropriate (read 'smaller car') competitor to the 3 Series.

It appears (at least to me) that Cadillac has identified BMW as the primary car line it wants to do battle with, and to compare itself with... with its own uniquely American answer to many BMW models. The existence of the V line is testament to Cadillac's seriousness in countering the moves of BMW (and M-B).
These are interesting times for Cadillac and the entire sport-luxury and full-on luxury segments.

I can't wait to receive my fully optioned "entry level" Cadillac 2008 CTS DI AWD. I ordered the damn thing on June 6th... and I'm becoming more than just a little impatient now. I'm guessing end of August delivery at this stage. The B20 option (wood trim package) has held up the production of some cars, including mine.

Cheers
Rab.

It has already been mentioned in one of these mags that we like to rag on (on one of the online variants) that Cadillac will indeed adopt a strategy of moving the CTS into 5 series territory, replace the STS/ DTS with something more viable against the uber sedans and introduce a smaller car to go head to head with the 3 series and the like. However, for thos who like the prowess of a 3 series car but do not love the dimensions, and who love the dimensions of a 5 series but can not swallow the sticker price, the CTS will poach many of those buyers. And that my friends, is a pretty good strategy all in its own.

doh, all that arguing about who is the competitor of the CTS...

The CTS is right in between the 3- and the 5-series, right in between the C-class and the E-class and right in between the A4 and A6. In size, class and engines. That position already proved its success in the US and it would be a success in Europe, if they would only make some advertisement for the brand. There is none in Europe. Nobody knows Cadillac here, only as the big old road boats of the 50's, 60's and 70's.

The smaller BLS on the Saab 93 platform will hit the US in 2009. I hope it will get some facelift though, because it doesn't look spectacular. At least the front doesn't. The 2.8 turbo is very nice though! And it already has an estate version.

CTS will have a diesel in 2009 and we can expect the coupe and estate soon too. In my opinion Cadillac started a very good market strategy in 2002 when the badge changed and the style of the whole lineup. I think it is an honor to be compared to a class higher in competition than the class aimed for. That's a sign of success! It means the competition is intimidated!

From Germany, Europe. This is Martyn... good night, good morning, and good day.

“Cadillac will have quite a hard time moving STS vehicles once the new CTS hits showrooms. Buyers will ask themselves why they should consider paying thousands of dollars more for a vehicle (the STS) that is virtually the same size as the CTS, has similar content as the CTS, but is not as exciting and young/fresh looking (both inside and out) as the CTS. I think Cadillac has made a mistake with the '08 STS by not offering the much-improved ('08 CTS-like) interior as what is going into the new STS (the SLS?) being marketed in China. Not sure though if that alternate interior would improve to a great extent the overall picture for the STS in North America. Even with its '08 enhancements for N.A., the STS will still appear to be somewhat stodgy and out of step in comparison to the new CTS.” - RAB

The 2008 CTS vs STS V6 does present an ‘interesting’ marketing \ sales challenge – for Caddy and for Dealers. Some may prefer the STS’s exterior styling. I have only see the new CTS & STS in an auto show environment. The HUD is still available only on the STS. But, finally this option is available on the V6 version & as a ‘stand-alone’ option: “(UV6) Head-Up Display available without (K59) Adaptive Cruise Control on V6 and V8.” The STS top handling option package includes Brembo brakes & a somewhat larger tire & wheel size: STS = 255/45x18 on 18x8.5” rims vs 235/50s on 18x8” rims for the CTS. Bluetooth is included \ integrated on the STS. And I suppose one could argue that the fourth model year STS might be somewhat more reliable that a first year of production CTS.

I expect that the CTS will be arriving at dealers shortly after the 2008 STS – and once they are both available, I plan to test drive the V6 versions of each, back-to-back. ( I have driven the V8 STS on several occasions. ) The comparison of pricing & performance will prove interesting, I think. ( It looks right now like an STS V6, equipped as I’d probably buy w/1SC & PDQ MSRP = approx. $53.2K and invoice is $48.7K. )

With the V6 in the STS now over 300 HP, adding the 6 speed automatic and weighing less than the STS V8s I have driven ( by 150 pounds or so – largely offsetting the NorthStar’s HP & TQ advantage, I’d think) this sounds worth looking at – and comparing to the top line V6 CTS. My reading indicates that the STS V6 and CTS V6 w/DI are essentially identical in both acceleration & fuel mileage.

Various pricing & packaging restrictions & options availability on the 2005 through 2007 STS ( and the previous relatively ‘weak’ V6 – so until now, I’d focused only on the NorthStar V8 version ) has kept me from configuring an STS that had what I wanted and was also reasonably priced. Things like the HUD only being available in a rather pricey package with the Adaptive Cruise Control, for example - and the top handling option only being available on a V8 1SG – at $60K plus.

And my ** GUESS ** is that a 2008 STS will be available at a somewhat steeper discount off MSRP – at least for a while – than the new CTS. Somewhat reducing the real ‘up-charge’ for the STS.

Now whether or not any of these STS “advantages” is worth the actual difference in final transaction price of a V6 STS over a CTS would be highly subjective.

I will be very, ** VERY ** surprised if many STS V8s are sold for 2008.

We shall see.
- Ray
Interested – and willing to drive both. . .

the new CTS will conquer all, no matter which number is in its competitors name...

/i wanna see the new 08 with a V grill, and tinted windows. and lowered!

/i wanna see the new 08 with a V grill, and tinted windows. and lowered!

You got it:
http://www.automotive.com/future-cars/90/112-0707-2009-cadillac-cts-v/index.html

Though the rendering's a bit flawed...

the new CTS will conquer all, no matter which number is in its competitors name...


jimmyhauser, I do believe you are correct.

I agree

Sorry just trying to get my posts up so I can finally PM :bigroll:

It has already been mentioned in one of these mags that we like to rag on (on one of the online variants) that Cadillac will indeed adopt a strategy of moving the CTS into 5 series territory, replace the STS/ DTS with something more viable against the uber sedans and introduce a smaller car to go head to head with the 3 series and the like. However, for thos who like the prowess of a 3 series car but do not love the dimensions, and who love the dimensions of a 5 series but can not swallow the sticker price, the CTS will poach many of those buyers. And that my friends, is a pretty good strategy all in its own.

caddyhills, you're absolutely spot on with that. Couldn't have said it better myself.
I personally like the 335i a whole bunch... but I don't like the dimensions -- and that's a fundamental deal killer for me.
I like the dynamics, capabilities & refinement of the 5 Series... but find the car's current styling and 'inherent' price premium to be unattractive.
The strategy that Cadillac has with the CTS is excellent really. There's nothing wrong at all with introducing a vehicle that does pretty much most things as good as or better than its principle competition, while making the car much better-looking and more affordable than the others. Then throw in more standard content for good measure. The bonus for Cadillac is that the new CTS straddles two segments, and that will work to maximize the success of the car. In other words, maximize the $$$. Brilliant.

Just picked up the September issue of Automobile.
One of the main articles in the mag covers the '08 CTS, and is entitled: "In Enemy Territory - The new Cadillac CTS takes on the BMW 335i and the Mercedes-Benz C350 on German soil".
As can probably be expected from this particular car mag, the article is less than complimentary toward the new CTS. Some of the criticisms of the '08 CTS are (quote):

- Cabin is let down by fussy detailing and too many different materials
- The powertrain is only marginally satisfying... it sounds artificial, never inspiring... engine is always burdened by the CTS's two ton curb weight
- The CTS's CHMSL neatly serves as a rear spoiler, but its chrome wheels scream "Detroit"
- The sleek key fob... could use a bit more heft (what????!!!!)
- The CTS cabin... is plagued by plastics of middling quality, gratuitous baubles, illumination in no fewer than four colors, and cheesy type fonts
- The CTS has been built to an engineering brief that emphasizes rigid parameters of performance but neglects the intangible feeling of finesse that a car must possess to be truly world-class

So... Automobile thinks the new CTS lacks the intangible feeling of finesse. O k a y . . .
This article is by far the most critical and pick-assed of all the reviews I've read so far on the new CTS. I'm sure Cadillac/GM will not be impressed with this lot, after their having spent thousands upon thousands of dollars flying these and other automotive journalists (not to mention the actual cars) over to Germany to spend some time evaluating the vehicles on the Nurburgring and surrounding areas.

The Automobile writers are most definitely biased toward European cars.
This review might give cause to fellow-member jimmyhauser to declare total jihad on this and similar magazines. This could get ugly.

For myself, I can't wait to receive my new '08 CTS. If only they'd just build the damn thing and ship it to me! The forecast for the assembly and delivery of my car is not looking good at the moment. Think I'm living on the wrong side of the border.

Cheers
Rab.

I can see Automobile picking, I believe their roots are in Europe. But those guys are idiots too.
Motortrend is in the US! They should be biased against the Germans!

They are both rags (said the guy who subscribes to both MT and Automobile)

I remember when I was looking at the CTS when it debuted late in 02. I had already left a deposit on my build for a 330Ci and I was having second thoughts. I'll never forget I asked the Caddy dealer for a test drive and told him I would cancel the deal on my 330 if I liked the CTS and he replied "Stick with the 330. This car can't compete." I thought it was the funniest thing I ever heard. I wonder if this new CTS will really stack up. I'm routing for it.

I can see Automobile picking, I believe their roots are in Europe. But those guys are idiots too.
Motortrend is in the US! They should be biased against the Germans!

They are both rags (said the guy who subscribes to both MT and Automobile)

If I remember correctly Automobile magazine quite often or at least from time to time buys articles from european magazines (ie british mags) and prints the articles in automobile magazine.

Often times that leads to biased reporting. The european magazines tend to "not " like american products.


I wouldn't give automobile magazine articles much merit.

They do have awesome photography though.

I only care about the features I can't assess myself when reading reports in magazines. E.g. I can't fully test drive a vehicle in all conditions so I will read as many articles as I can and try to get a complete picture about handling etc. Reliability records from long term tests are another feature of interest.

As for the quality and refinement of interior - that's all unimportant in an article, as I can go to the dealer and see it and judge it for myself, depending on what is important to me. Fine, they can fill their pages with whatever rubbish they prefer to entertain the generic reader crowd, but things I can judge myself - I'll do.

True, some live, unprettified photos suggest some messed colors and plastics in the 2008 cabin, but the interiors of 3-ers and C-klasses look austere and unimaginative like a cheap microwave oven. But I don't care whether any particular magazine reports this, because it is a matter of personal likes and dislikes and it just requires going to the nearest dealer to get figured.

And in fact, I will compare this vehicle not to a 3er or a Merc, but to the new Audi A4 due this Fall, and maybe the A5 as I don't necessarily need a 4-door. And I imagine most publications will continue to sing the song of "how vague and unresponsive" is Audi's steering compared to the 3-er, but the fact is I like Audi's steering feel a lot, and I hate BMW's inside and outside styling alltogether, as well as its stigma, to the point of not considering it at all, irrespective of how good it drives and how many praises it won from the journos.

My wife wanted possibly a red four door awd sedan so we test drove the 33K dollar Audi A4.

It was not a pleasant drive. The little turbo 4 was struggling with the heft of the vehicle.

Its no longer on the short list of AWD four door sedans we are considering.

Too bad too because I wanted to like it and its DSG tranny.

Baby boy (Bennett) is doing very well. Takes after Daddy and gravitates right to the breast. He'll gain weight fast and will hopefully be out of the hospital in the next couple of weeks!


:cheers: Great news, cheers & congrats!

My wife wanted possibly a red four door awd sedan so we test drove the 33K dollar Audi A4.

It was not a pleasant drive. The little turbo 4 was struggling with the heft of the vehicle.

Its no longer on the short list of AWD four door sedans we are considering.

Too bad too because I wanted to like it and its DSG tranny.

Yeah, A4 is better with the 255 hp 3.2FSI motor (or the torquey 3.0 diesel unavailable in USA). But that's gonna cost marginally more than the 300 HP CTS.

And A4 does not come with DSG. Only manual, CVT (FWD) or conventional auto (tiptronic). Audi is yet to deliver a dual clutch tranny for cars with longitudinal engines.

Discovered an '08 CTS 'first drive' article today at autoblog.com.
Here is the link: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/21/first-drive-2008-cadillac-cts/

great, another "this is fine sport sedan but no bmw" article.

every auto writer on this planet is an asshat it seems. f**k em all

Yeah, A4 is better with the 255 hp 3.2FSI motor (or the torquey 3.0 diesel unavailable in USA). But that's gonna cost marginally more than the 300 HP CTS.

And A4 does not come with DSG. Only manual, CVT (FWD) or conventional auto (tiptronic). Audi is yet to deliver a dual clutch tranny for cars with longitudinal engines.


I didn't know the Audi A4 did not come with the turbo 4 cylinder and dsg.

Thanks (and still was disappointed with the car)

JB

Just picked up the September issue of Automobile.
- Cabin is let down by fussy detailing and too many different materials

I can see why they said that. I must say that the new interior gives off some Infiniti vibes (nowhere as tasteless as the Inifiniti, though).


- The CTS has been built to an engineering brief that emphasizes rigid parameters of performance but neglects the intangible feeling of finesse that a car must possess to be truly world-class


Heh. I could say that about pretty much every Japanese car, however 90% of this is pure psychology.

I could easily nitpick any BMW or Mercedes to death if I wanted to (especially Mercedes).

I didn't know the Audi A4 did not come with the turbo 4 cylinder and dsg.

Thanks (and still was disappointed with the car)

JB

I recently drove a new loaner A4 (before my Audi dealership got rid of the loaner program, haha). Interior quality is worse than previous gen and some of the word labels on dash were crooked. :bigroll:

The founder of Automobile Magazine is a huge advocate and owner of American cars and is a HUGE fan of Cadillac -and- Jaguar. He recently started WindingRoad.com

In general, Automobile is fair to American cars and evaluates them realistically.

There was another good CTS write-up in Car Connection yesterday.

Four stars in the 8/28 Detroit News review:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070829/OPINION03/708290442

"Cadillac has raised the stakes -- a threshold BMW, Lexus and Mercedes will now have to meet."

Found a new 'first drive' article on the '08 CTS, at speedsportlife.com (Dubspeed Driven). The report is a good one, and is complimentary of Cadillac/GM. The photos in this brief report feature the same color exterior (Light Platinum) as the car I've ordered. This latest review on the new CTS has helped inspire me to keep on waiting for my car, in spite of the latest delay they've elected to throw at me - at week 14. It became clear as I re-read some of my recent posts that I was in need of an injection of added inspiration right about now.
Here's the link: http://www.speedsportlife.com/2007/09/09/dubspeed-driven-first-drive-2008-cadillac-cts/
I've pasted in below one of the photos from the article.
Rab.

The 08 CTS is truly a class automobile; unfortunately, most of the automotive press still lives in the past: If it's an
American car, it is inferior to: Mercedes (are you kidding??? My friends C class has been a disater for reliabilty), BMW, etc. American cars were lagging years ago, but they are coming back, and European automobiles have also had quality problems, of late.

TOWERING SUCCESS: Cadillac CTS rises above other sports sedans with its luxury and technical sophistication
September 27, 2007

BY MARK PHELAN

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

The highest compliment I can pay the 2008 Cadillac CTS is that five minutes behind the wheel turned me into as big a jerk as when I test a new BMW.

The drivers of really good sport sedans aren't really rude, callous oafs. They just seem that way because their cars are so much quicker and more responsive than most of what's on the road.

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They accelerate faster, brake later and turn more sharply than lesser vehicles.

It's like walking alongside a much taller person. They don't mean to leave you gasping for breath; they just cover more ground faster than you do.

That's not to say some BMW drivers aren't arrogant twits, but so are some of the people who drive vastly inferior brands, like ... No, I've made enough enemies for one morning.

The virtually all-new 2008 CTS is a terrific car, an excellent successor to the very good first-generation CTS that re-established Cadillac as a luxury brand to be reckoned with.

The 2008 CTS is better looking and much more luxurious and technically sophisticated than the car it replaces, able to stand alongside the BMW 3-series as the world's best sports sedan. In addition to the 3-series, the CTS's prime competition includes the Audi A4, Infiniti G35, Lexus GS 300 and Mercedes-Benz C-class.

Prices for the 2008 CTS start at $32,245 for a rear-wheel drive model with a 263-horsepower 3.6-liter V6 and a six-speed manual transmission. The least expensive CTS with an automatic transmission mates that engine to a slick six-speed with a price starting at $33,545.

Add Cadillac's powerful and fuel-efficient 304-horsepower version of the same V6 and prices for a rear drive CTS start at $33,245 with a manual transmission and $34,545 with the automatic.

All-wheel drive is available with either engine, but not with the manual transmission. All-wheel drive models get bigger brakes to deal with their increased weight and a badge identifying the car as the CTS4.

For this review, I tested very well-equipped versions of the rear drive and all-wheel drive CTS with the direct-injection engine and automatic transmission. The rear drive stickered at $45,545; the CTS4 $47,840. All prices exclude destination charges.

We're talking real money here, but the CTS is a bargain in its class. According to Edmunds.com, comparable all-wheel drive models -- the BMW 335xi, Infiniti M35X and Lexus GS350 AWD -- run from $4,100 to $9,800 more than the CTS.

Only the Audi A4 Quattro, which will be replaced by a new model next year, came in with a lower sticker price, checking in at $450 less than a comparably equipped CTS.

It's not just a good value at the dealership, though. The CTS will save you serious bucks at the pump. It's the only one of the cars I've mentioned that recommends regular gasoline, so you'll save about $4.50 every time you fill the tank.

The CTS's EPA fuel economy ratings of 18 m.p.g. in the city and 26 on the highway are as good as or better than the Audi, BMW, Infiniti and Lexus. An all-new model of the C-class goes on sale shortly, so EPA fuel economy numbers and detailed pricing information are not available.

Frugality doesn't sell performance sedans, though; fun and flair do, and the CTS provides plenty of both.

The direct-injection engine -- the most powerful V6 GM has ever built -- provides oodles of power across the rev range for hotshot standing starts, blitzing through traffic and high-speed highway cruising.

The six-speed automatic delivers smooth, quick shifts. I ended up using its sport mode all the time, though the normal mode will probably satisfy most owners. The lack of steering-wheel mounted paddle shifters was one of the few areas where the CTS doesn't at least match its competition.

The speed-variable steering consistently provided the right amount of assist, making parking-lot maneuvers easy and providing good response at high speeds and dependable on-center feel in highway cruising.

The large disc brakes stop the CTS confidently. The suspension clung to the road but also absorbed bumps from rough pavement. The CTS4's extra 244 pounds impart some noticeable body roll in tight, fast turns, but the all-wheel drive model was otherwise just as responsive and enjoyable as the rear drive CTS I tested.

Inside and out, the new car's design is more sophisticated and luxurious than the first CTS.

The new CTS's body is a graceful contemporary beauty. Every piece of exterior sheet metal is new, including front fenders that have some of the trickiest shapes ever executed in steel and functional air vents that help cool the engine compartment.

Flowing from the CTS's luscious curving wheel wells into multiple sharp creases, indentations and more curves around the vents, the front fenders are the most complicated metal stamping GM has ever produced.

Think about that. We're talking about the company that invented the tailfin and built the 1959 Cadillac Eldorado, and GM has just topped that masterpiece of metal bending.

The car's front and rear tracks are about two inches wider, and the flared fenders enclosing the pushed-out wheels contribute to the CTS's sure-footed look.

The interior replaces the hard plastic that marred the first CTS with hand-cut and -sewn soft-touch materials and a creative design that puts elegant and simple controls within easy reach.

The interior includes a few small snafus, though. The gaps around the glove box door are larger than they should be, the plastic cover for the front-seat cupholders feels flimsy and the steering wheel blocks one of the vents, reducing the air conditioning's effectiveness on hot days.

Interior room is good, with plenty of front head, leg and shoulder room. The rear seat is far more accommodating than in the 3-series and A4, but smaller than the GS 350 or M35.

The CTS's safety equipment includes standard antilock brakes, stability control, front-seat side and curtain air bags.

Add advanced features like a hard drive to store music and navigation information and the best real-time traffic information system of any car I've tested, and the CTS is second to none in the speedy world of sports sedans.

TOWERING SUCCESS: Cadillac CTS rises above other sports sedans with its luxury and technical sophistication
September 27, 2007

BY MARK PHELAN

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

The highest compliment I can pay the 2008 Cadillac CTS is that five minutes behind the wheel turned me into as big a jerk as when I test a new BMW.

The drivers of really good sport sedans aren't really rude, callous oafs. They just seem that way because their cars are so much quicker and more responsive than most of what's on the road.

Advertisement


They accelerate faster, brake later and turn more sharply than lesser vehicles.

It's like walking alongside a much taller person. They don't mean to leave you gasping for breath; they just cover more ground faster than you do.

That's not to say some BMW drivers aren't arrogant twits, but so are some of the people who drive vastly inferior brands, like ... No, I've made enough enemies for one morning.

The virtually all-new 2008 CTS is a terrific car, an excellent successor to the very good first-generation CTS that re-established Cadillac as a luxury brand to be reckoned with.

The 2008 CTS is better looking and much more luxurious and technically sophisticated than the car it replaces, able to stand alongside the BMW 3-series as the world's best sports sedan. In addition to the 3-series, the CTS's prime competition includes the Audi A4, Infiniti G35, Lexus GS 300 and Mercedes-Benz C-class.

Prices for the 2008 CTS start at $32,245 for a rear-wheel drive model with a 263-horsepower 3.6-liter V6 and a six-speed manual transmission. The least expensive CTS with an automatic transmission mates that engine to a slick six-speed with a price starting at $33,545.

Add Cadillac's powerful and fuel-efficient 304-horsepower version of the same V6 and prices for a rear drive CTS start at $33,245 with a manual transmission and $34,545 with the automatic.

All-wheel drive is available with either engine, but not with the manual transmission. All-wheel drive models get bigger brakes to deal with their increased weight and a badge identifying the car as the CTS4.

For this review, I tested very well-equipped versions of the rear drive and all-wheel drive CTS with the direct-injection engine and automatic transmission. The rear drive stickered at $45,545; the CTS4 $47,840. All prices exclude destination charges.

We're talking real money here, but the CTS is a bargain in its class. According to Edmunds.com, comparable all-wheel drive models -- the BMW 335xi, Infiniti M35X and Lexus GS350 AWD -- run from $4,100 to $9,800 more than the CTS.

Only the Audi A4 Quattro, which will be replaced by a new model next year, came in with a lower sticker price, checking in at $450 less than a comparably equipped CTS.

It's not just a good value at the dealership, though. The CTS will save you serious bucks at the pump. It's the only one of the cars I've mentioned that recommends regular gasoline, so you'll save about $4.50 every time you fill the tank.

The CTS's EPA fuel economy ratings of 18 m.p.g. in the city and 26 on the highway are as good as or better than the Audi, BMW, Infiniti and Lexus. An all-new model of the C-class goes on sale shortly, so EPA fuel economy numbers and detailed pricing information are not available.

Frugality doesn't sell performance sedans, though; fun and flair do, and the CTS provides plenty of both.

The direct-injection engine -- the most powerful V6 GM has ever built -- provides oodles of power across the rev range for hotshot standing starts, blitzing through traffic and high-speed highway cruising.

The six-speed automatic delivers smooth, quick shifts. I ended up using its sport mode all the time, though the normal mode will probably satisfy most owners. The lack of steering-wheel mounted paddle shifters was one of the few areas where the CTS doesn't at least match its competition.

The speed-variable steering consistently provided the right amount of assist, making parking-lot maneuvers easy and providing good response at high speeds and dependable on-center feel in highway cruising.

The large disc brakes stop the CTS confidently. The suspension clung to the road but also absorbed bumps from rough pavement. The CTS4's extra 244 pounds impart some noticeable body roll in tight, fast turns, but the all-wheel drive model was otherwise just as responsive and enjoyable as the rear drive CTS I tested.

Inside and out, the new car's design is more sophisticated and luxurious than the first CTS.

The new CTS's body is a graceful contemporary beauty. Every piece of exterior sheet metal is new, including front fenders that have some of the trickiest shapes ever executed in steel and functional air vents that help cool the engine compartment.

Flowing from the CTS's luscious curving wheel wells into multiple sharp creases, indentations and more curves around the vents, the front fenders are the most complicated metal stamping GM has ever produced.

Think about that. We're talking about the company that invented the tailfin and built the 1959 Cadillac Eldorado, and GM has just topped that masterpiece of metal bending.

The car's front and rear tracks are about two inches wider, and the flared fenders enclosing the pushed-out wheels contribute to the CTS's sure-footed look.

The interior replaces the hard plastic that marred the first CTS with hand-cut and -sewn soft-touch materials and a creative design that puts elegant and simple controls within easy reach.

The interior includes a few small snafus, though. The gaps around the glove box door are larger than they should be, the plastic cover for the front-seat cupholders feels flimsy and the steering wheel blocks one of the vents, reducing the air conditioning's effectiveness on hot days.

Interior room is good, with plenty of front head, leg and shoulder room. The rear seat is far more accommodating than in the 3-series and A4, but smaller than the GS 350 or M35.

The CTS's safety equipment includes standard antilock brakes, stability control, front-seat side and curtain air bags.

Add advanced features like a hard drive to store music and navigation information and the best real-time traffic information system of any car I've tested, and the CTS is second to none in the speedy world of sports sedans.

YES!!!:)
What all of us Cadillac enthusiasts want to hear.:thumbsup:

Its nice to be on the cutting edge again, lets all continue to pass the word, and feel the pride.

"the steering wheel blocks one of the vents, reducing the air conditioning's effectiveness on hot days."

This is the biggest complaint I have! (Not much, but I like the A/C blowing directly on me.)

I really don't see that big a deal with the A/C vent. Yes, part of it is behind line of sight to the driver, but since it's six to eight inches away from the steering wheel, it doesn't effect overall interior cooling. If it were farther to the side, or lower, it would be even farther away from the driver.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd152/andiscot/ACVent.jpg

Here's the BMW 3-series dash, taken from the back seat. Visualize sitting in the driver's seat, closer to the steering wheel. Don't you think the steering wheel would block both vents?

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd152/andiscot/BMW3Dash.jpg

I agree it's not a big deal

Attached is a link to an article entitled "Full Test: 2008 Cadillac CTS V6 DI", posted at the Edmunds Inside Line website on 09-25-2007.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=122751#

The article features several photos, as well as a separate link to a pretty decent 3-minute Edmunds video on the new CTS.
PS.. For forum members who may be wondering about the CTS I've ordered... the car finally arrived (!) at the dealership late Friday. YES!!! :dance: :banana:
I'll take delivery of the car Monday afternoon. Will post a few pics of the new car on Tuesday. The long wait is almost over folks....

Attached is a link to an article entitled "Full Test: 2008 Cadillac CTS V6 DI", posted at the Edmunds Inside Line website on 09-25-2007.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=122751#

The article features several photos, as well as a separate link to a pretty decent 3-minute Edmunds video on the new CTS.
PS.. For forum members who may be wondering about the CTS I've ordered... the car finally arrived (!) at the dealership late Friday. YES!!! :dance: :banana:
I'll take delivery of the car Monday afternoon. Will post a few pics of the new car on Tuesday. The long wait is almost over folks....
Congrats!! I've seen 2 '08s on the street so far. You'll stand out for sure! I'm happy for ya.

P.S. (shameless post) Don't forget to join the Ontario CTS Club :D It's free! http://www.OntarioCTS.com

Nice write-up on Edmunds comparing the CTS with the MB C-class and Infiniti.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/karl/632

Nice write-up on Edmunds comparing the CTS with the MB C-class and Infiniti.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/karl/632

Pretty fair assessment.

On a different note, I was beginning to wonder if I was the only person that found the the thigh support in the CTSs seats to be lacking.

So who thinks the CTS is gonna take 2008 Car of the Year? :D

So who thinks the CTS is gonna take 2008 Car of the Year? :D

I'll put money on it!!$$$$:cool2::cool2: