http://www.cadillacforums.com/images/2008-cadilac-cts-prices.gif

i dont worry about the prices much cuz i wont be able to afford the car for the next 2-3 years
still good to know PTS!!!

250.00 for a compact spare???!!, must be the luxury compact spare

Where did the info come from, we have been waiting for this.:bouncy:

:bonkers:

MSRP is lower than what I would have expected, but the package pricing is far higher than I would have thought.

I'd like to see the breakdown and what exactly a stripped down CTS looks like.

It looks like Cadillac did a complete decontenting... and then you build upwards from that.

Where did the info come from, we have been waiting for this.:bouncy:

gmpricing.com which is a protected website.

Additional information on Option Packages:

PDP includes Y40, Y44
PDQ includes Y40, Y41, Y44, UAV, C3U, B19, B20 and UG1
PDR includes Y42 and Y44

:cheers:

What is Luxury Level I and II?

Nice list. I cannot compare to euro's, because the pricing due to taxes is a lot different in Europe. How much higher is this in % compared to the prices of the 'old' CTS?

Thats awesome.

Its actually exactly what I figured.

Great pricing!

Can't wait to see the car!

Thanks

JB

The '08 250 HP version is actually cheaper than the outgoing model.

What is Luxury Level I and II?

Luxury Level One Package, includes (UA6) Theft-deterrent alarm system, (U2R) Audio system, (CE1) Rainsense wipers, (TSQ) Accent lighting, and (P62) 17" x 8" machined-faced wheels
Requires (Y44) Seating Package. (U2R) AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer and MP3 playback is upgradeable to (U2S) AM/FM stereo with DVD player, MP3 playback and Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound 10-speaker system or (UAV) AM/FM stereo with DVD player, MP3 playback, Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound 10-speaker system and DVD-based navigation. (P62) 17" x 8" (43.2 cm x 20.3 cm) machined aluminum wheels replace (P61) 17" x 8" (43.2 cm x 20.3 cm) painted aluminum wheels when (Y40) Luxury Level One Package is ordered. (P62) 17" x 8" (43. cm x 20.3 cm) machined aluminum wheels will be upgraded to (P75) 18" x 8" (45.7 cm x 20.3 cm) aluminum wheels with premium multi-coat painted finish and (QKE) P235/50R18 V-rated all-season, blackwall tires when ordered with (PDR) Performance Collection. If desired, (P75) 18" x 8" (45.7 cm x 20.3 cm) aluminum wheels with premium multi-coat painted finish can be upgraded to (P63) 18" x 8" (45.7 cm x 20.3 cm) aluminum wheels with high-polished finish with (QKE) P235/50R18 V-rated all-season, blackwall tires when (PDR) Performance Collection is ordered with (Y40) Luxury Level One Package. Must order (P63) 18" x 8" (45.7 cm x 20.3cm) aluminum wheels with high-polished finish separately.

Luxury Level Two Package, includes (KB6) heated/ventilated front seats, (AM9) split-folding rear seat, (N38) Power rake wheel and telescopic steering column, (UG1) Universal Home Remote, (UHA) EZ Key passive entry system (automatic transmission version with remote start. Included when equipped with (MX0) or (MX7) transmissions), (UHF) EZ Key passive entry system (manual transmission without remote start. Included when equipped with (MN6) transmission), (UD7) Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist
Requires (Y44) Seating Package. Requires either (U2R) AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer and MP3 playback, (U2S) AM/FM stereo with DVD player, MP3 playback and Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound 10-speaker system or (UAV) AM/FM stereo with DVD player, MP3 playback and Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound 10-speaker system. When (Y41) is ordered with (U2R) audio system, you must also order (Y40) Luxury Level One Package.

:cheers:

:cheers:

Thanks, the picture's now complete ;)

:thumbsup:

the 07 2.8L CTS started at 28 or 29k i think....

so the pricing isnt as outrageous as you think.


i gotta see what it looks like with a chrome mesh grille & a different front bumper cover before i start drooling...

It looks like Cadillac did a complete decontenting... and then you build upwards from that.


Isn't that similar to how the German luxury marques do their lower tier cars?

It'll be interesting to see what that translates to for us Canucks. Big shift in the exchange rate in the past 6 months.

-GT

Am I correct that you can option the 2008 CTS (non-v) "up" to more than $11,000.00 more than the 2007 model (at its' highest trim level)?

Ed

Thanks for posting.

Awesome...do you have the same for invoice pricing too? Okay I'm being greedy.

So let's say I want a base automatic with 18" wheels, heated seats, sunroof, white diamond, and stereo upgrade...looks like I'd have to pony up $40,755 if done separately. I could do the PDR (18" + Seating pkg) and save $500. Still, seems much more expensive than a comparable outgoing model when factoring in options! Do I smell REBATES?

Model Model Description List
Price Factory
MSRP Employee

6DM69 CTS 3.6L V6 VVT (Manual Transmission) $32,245.00 $29,331.73 $745.00
6DP69 CTS 3.6L V6 VVT DI (Automatic Transmission) $34,545.00 $31,413.23 $745.00
Option
Code Description MSRP Employee/ Price(c)
Brakes:
J55 Performance Brakes $395.00 $316.00
K05 Engine Block Heater $100.00 $80.00

Paint:

30U Thunder Gray Chromaflair Premium Paint $995.00 $796.00
89U Crystal Red Premium Paint $995.00 $796.00
98U White Diamond Premium Paint $995.00 $796.00

Radio and Navigation Equipment:

U2S AM/FM Stereo, MP3 Format, Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound System, 40GB Hard Drive Device $1,000.00 $800.00
UAV DVD Navigation System with AM/FM Stereo, CD/DVD Player, MP3 Format, Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound System, 40GB Hard Drive Device $3,145.00 $2,516.00

Sunroof:

C3U Ultraview Sunroof w/PDP/PDR $900.00 $720.00
C3U Ultraview Sunroof $1,450.00 $1,160.00

Tires:

ZAA Compact Spare Tire $250.00 $200.00

Transmissions:

MN6 Manual Transmission 6DP69 Requires Y43 ($1,300.00) ($1,040.00)
MX0 Automatic Transmission 6DM69 $1,300.00 $1,040.00
MX7 All Wheel Drive 6DP69 $1,900.00 $1,520.00
MX7 All Wheel Drive and Automatic Transmission 6DM69 $3,200.00 $2,560.00

Wheels:

P63 18" Polished Aluminum Wheels Requires Y42 $750.00 $600.00

Wood Trim Packages:

B19 Wood Trim on Center Console, Instrument Panel and Door Trim $495.00 $396.00
B20 Wood Trim on Shift Knob and Steering Wheel Requires B19 $150.00 $120.00


Option
code Description List Price Employee/ Price(c)
1SA 1SA Equipment Group (6DM69) $0.00 $0.00
1SB 1SB Equipment Group (6DP69) $0.00 $0.00
PDP Luxury Collection $2,600.00 $2,080.00
PDQ Premium Luxury Collection $8,165.00 $6,532.00
PDR Performance Collection $3,300.00 $2,640.00
Y40 Luxury Level One Package $1,000.00 $800.00
Luxury Level One Package (w/PDR) $850.00 $680.00
Y41 Luxury Level Two Package $2,025.00 $1,680.00
Y42 18" All Season Tire Performance Package $1,740.00 $1,392.00
Y43 18" Summer Tire Performance Package $2,980.00 $2,384.00
18" Summer Tire Performance Package (w/PDQ) $2,430.00 $1,944.00
18" Summer Tire Performance Package (w/PDR) $1,240.00 $992.00
Y44 Seating Package $2,200.00 $1,760.00

Fully optioned 2007 approximately $41K MSRP

Fully optioned 2008 approximately $50K MSRP

Does this seem accurate to the rest of you?

Fully optioned 2007 approximately $41K MSRP

Fully optioned 2008 approximately $50K MSRP

Does this seem accurate to the rest of you?

Well - it looks to me like:
2008 CTS /3.6L DI $34,545
PDQ $ 8,165
Y43w/PDQ $ 2,430
Total $45,140

And the only other significant option would be
AWD - at another $1,900.

How do you arrive at $50K?
- Ray
Just curious.....

Well - it looks to me like:
2008 CTS /3.6L DI $34,545
PDQ $ 8,165
Y43w/PDQ $ 2,430
Total $45,140

And the only other significant option would be
AWD - at another $1,900.

How do you arrive at $50K?
- Ray
Just curious.....

How about AWD with automatic for $3,200? That brings the price to

$48,340

Add special paint? $995

$49,335

And do those wheels come polished? $750

$50,085

Chuck C -

“How about AWD with automatic for $3,200?
That brings the price to

$48,340”

By my reading of the Order Guide, the AWD option is $1,900 on the 6DP69 = 3.6L V6 w/DI & w/Automatic. So AWD total would be $45,140 + $1,900 = $47,040.


“Add special paint? $995”

True – so that would bring it to $48K.

“And do those wheels come polished? $750”

Y43 includes: (P63) 18" x 8" (45.7 cm x 20.3 cm) aluminum wheels with high-polished finish’

So - $48K – not quite $50K.

Not cheap, I will agree . . .


I suppose that GM would point to a new ( and presumably better ) chassis, improved interior, more HP, more TQ, the 6 speed automatic, etc. to ‘justify’ the rise in MSRP. Whether or not any of that is ‘worth it’ to any particular buyer is an open question, certainly. And I did not think that the 2007 was available with AWD??? Near $2K of the ‘difference’ . . .

- Ray
Still willing to test drive one . . .

How about AWD with automatic for $3,200? That brings the price to

$48,340

Add special paint? $995

$49,335

And do those wheels come polished? $750

$50,085
Automatic is standard with the DI engine. You get a $1300 credit for the manual.

Fully optioned 2007 approximately $41K MSRP

Fully optioned 2008 approximately $50K MSRP

Does this seem accurate to the rest of you?

No, a fully loaded 2008 (6DP69 - 304 HP with Automatic, PDQ - Luxury Collection, 98U - Premium Paint and Y43 - Summer Tire Performance Pkg) totals $46,880 including destination charge of $745. Only "options" left out is the compact spare ($250) and AWD ($1900).

:cheers:

CTS 3.6L V6 VVT DI (Automatic Trans) 34,545.00
PDQ Premium Luxury Collection 8,165.00
PDR Performance Collection 3,300.00
V43 18" Tire Performance Package (w/PDR) 1,240.00
J55 Performance Brakes 395.00
ZAA Compact Spare Tire 250.00
P63 18 inch Polished Al Wheels 750.00
_________
Total = $48,645.00 Approx. $49K

Looks like I was using the wrong Tire Performance package so it is closer to $49K than $51K ($48,645.00). Don't get me wrong, I think the new model is worth every penny - just thought an $8K increase was significant (vs. MSRP of 2007 w/options).

I wonder where this puts the V?

If Y43 includes 18" polished aluminum wheels - then I need to subtract $750.00 which brings the total down to:

$47,895.00 or approx $48K. Well worth the price - IMHO.

I'll take a V. Any speculation on V pricing?

If Y43 includes 18" polished aluminum wheels - then I need to subtract $750.00 which brings the total down to:

$47,895.00 or approx $48K. Well worth the price - IMHO.

I'll take a V. Any speculation on V pricing?

No V's until 2009 Model Year.

Are the performance breaks (J55) included in the Performance Collection Pkg(PDR)?

-=sigh=-
I knew cadillac would do this.
the first gen cts you could get every option possible out the door for a little over 40k.
now the new "big draw" items such as awd and the 304hp (and I think necessary) engine puts the pricing of the cts higher than a lot of its competitors. and more than a lot of people would pay for an "entry level" cadillac.

I dread what the price of the cts-v will be, probably around 60-68k
(well the stock all option cts is 40k, the V came with all options plus the doom engine and was about 55k.) and the new V has the 600hp supercharged v-8 6.2L of doom, big money.

that puts it at more than its import competitors.

I might pick and 08 up used off some poor sap that shells out nearly 50k for one.. but I won't be buying one new. hell for that money I can get a g35 with a turbo.

Are the performance breaks (J55) included in the Performance Collection Pkg(PDR)?

Yes, indirectly. J55 is included in Y42. Y42 is included in PDR. See my new thread with the Order Guide. It will answer all these type of questions.

:cheers:

Zymurgy,

Thanks. If the Performance Brakes (J55) are included in PDR then the price goes down another $395.00. Sorry for all the corrections - but at least the price is moving in the right direction. Total now - without AWD is:

Total: $47,500.00 for 2008 CTS with virtually every option other than AWD.

Thanks for posting this. I'll get the information into my database ASAP, to enable thorough price comparisons.

One thing to keep in mind: for the last few months a "Special Bose Edition" has been available that puts the Bose and other options into a zero-cost package. It would be more realistic to compare the 2008 to this car. Why didn't they just make these features standard? Well, the 2008's price now looks better because they did not.

Vehicle price comparisons (http://www.truedelta.com/prices.php)

If I read this right, if you want remote start or folding rear seat, you have to get Luxury I & II and the seating package, for $5225, and $1300 for the auto for the base engine. That's absurd.

Nothing like buying a Cadillac with a souped up 6-banger "stickered" at $47K. What's next? A $70K Escalade?

What year was the CTS?

cadillac is nuts lol to much money......

What's next? A $70K Escalade?

You can already get an Escalade over $70k if you load it up.

Nothing like buying a Cadillac with a souped up 6-banger "stickered" at $47K. What's next? A $70K Escalade?

The 304 HP version lists for $34,545 plus $745 destination charge. Total $35,290. Load it up and you can reach $47K. But this new CTS is far more refined than the current CTS. Full leather hand-sewn dash, remote start, ultra-sonic backup assist, adaptive forward lighting (headlights turn with steering wheel), etc, etc.

:cheers:

The 304 HP version lists for $34,545 plus $745 destination charge. Total $35,290. Load it up and you can reach $47K. But this new CTS is far more refined than the current CTS. Full leather hand-sewn dash, remote start, ultra-sonic backup assist, adaptive forward lighting (headlights turn with steering wheel), etc, etc.

The dash isn't leather. I think they're saving that for the V model.

Looks like I need to start saving up more if I want all wheel drive.

The dash isn't leather. I think they're saving that for the V model.

From what I read before, it is. Maybe it's leatherette. If you look closer there's stitching on the dash just like in an SRX.

I'm not totally sure though.

The dash isn't leather. I think they're saving that for the V model.


OK, it may not be leather. But it is cut and sewn and wrapped by hand.

Some additional new features: Passive vehicle and trunk entry - the fob just needs to be nearby, no buttons to push; Keyless ignition; heated windshield washer system; power rake and telescoping steering column.

:cheers:

I think it's hilarious that everyone bitches about the quality of Cadillac interiors not being up to par with the more expensive imports, but when Cadillac spends the money and makes a more upscale car the same people cry that it's too expensive.

*sigh*

I think it's hilarious that everyone bitches about the quality of Cadillac interiors not being up to par with the more expensive imports, but when Cadillac spends the money and makes a more upscale car the same people cry that it's too expensive.

*sigh*



Tony- I couldn't agree more. Cadillac really stepped the game up for this car. From the research & design, to the overall execution. For some of you guys to say these things is absurd. If you want the Price of a nissan, then buy a nissan. If you want Luxury, you'll pay Luxury. I just really don't get the bitching.
Now, the one thing im concerned with is their marketing for the 08' CTS...
I REALLY hope they stop this whole subtle ad campaign. I realize they switched companies and have again stepped up, but it's the time to shine. Make it count I think..

Anyone have one on order yet? Deposits and all?

Is saving his pennies for the V. And it better be awesome! For now will mod the 04' out. Modestly of course.

I'm happy with my 07!

I think it's hilarious that everyone bitches about the quality of Cadillac interiors not being up to par with the more expensive imports, but when Cadillac spends the money and makes a more upscale car the same people cry that it's too expensive.

*sigh*

I fully agree! :highfive: At least you have the option to go full option. All the stuff that people wanted to see in a Cadillac and missed it in the CTS. Now you can get it. For a price...

Nothing like buying a Cadillac with a souped up 6-banger "stickered" at $47K. What's next? A $70K Escalade?

I ran through a “build your 3 series BMW" on-line.
With all options ( including AWD ) the MSRP is over $55.5K.
With a ‘6-banger’ - and a few LESS hp that the CTS w/DI...
And a 5 series ( dimensions suggest that this may be a valid comparison ) with the same motor is ( ahem ) more . . .

As far as I'm concerned the CTS with 300hp DI V6 is an amazing feat.

With all wheel drive this is another huge plus for those of us trying to get our better halfs out of SUV's.

We looked at infiniti's, BMW's, the new MB C350 and the Cadillac.

As far as I am concerned as a buyer of this market segment and also as a person who is no stranger to wanting strong performance in a vehicle this new Cadillac is an amazing offering.


The interior is stunning and I'm just waiting to see the production version of the CTS before ordering one up.

I've seen the competition and its not as impressive especially when you consider the "VALUE" the CTS offers..

I'm impressed with the total package that Cadillac has been able to bring to the market. So much so that I believe I will speaking with my money to buy one.

Just my opinion. A great vehicle that is better than the competition when weighing in all factors.

the all-new '08 CTS is nearly here, featuring a completely redesigned exterior and a pure luxury interior. Motivated by an advanced, available 304hp Direct Injection V6 engine, the all-new '08 CTS provides brisk acceleration to complement its styling. It also touts hand-cut and -sewn interior features and a host of available features including Bose® 5.1 Cabin Surround® Sound, 40 gig hard drive media storage, and UltraView sunroof. It's all the luxury you deserve, with the performance you've come to expect from Cadillac.

Yes, indirectly. J55 is included in Y42. Y42 is included in PDR. See my new thread with the Order Guide. It will answer all these type of questions.

:cheers:

The J55 Performance Brakes are only part of PDR is you order AWD. With RWD, they're only included with the Summer Tire Performance Package, and are already in the price. The reason for this is that AWD isn't available with the Summer Tire package, so they made the brakes available with the lesser package in that case.

Full pricing for the 2008 CTS now up on my site:

2008 Cadillac CTS pricing and specs (http://www.truedelta.com/models/CTS.php)

... Anyone have one on order yet? Deposits and all?


Yep. Last week it was at event status 3400.

:cheers:

The J55 Performance Brakes are only part of PDR is you order AWD. With RWD, they're only included with the Summer Tire Performance Package, and are already in the price. The reason for this is that AWD isn't available with the Summer Tire package, so they made the brakes available with the lesser package in that case.

Full pricing for the 2008 CTS now up on my site:

2008 Cadillac CTS pricing and specs (http://www.truedelta.com/models/CTS.php)


Not according to the Order Guide:

1 - Not an orderable option. Included and only available with (Y42) 18" All-Season Tire Performance Package when (MX7) 6-speed automatic transmission AWD is ordered. Additional charge for (J55) performance brakes will apply.

2 - Not an orderable option. Included and only available with (Y42) 18" All-Season Tire Performance Package when (MX7) 6-speed automatic transmission AWD is ordered or with (Y43) 18" Summer Tire Performance Package when (MX0) 6-speed automatic transmission RWD is ordered. No additional charge for (J55) performance brakes will apply.

Note 1 applies to the 6DM69
Note 2 applies to the 6DP69

:cheers:

Fully optioned 2007 approximately $41K MSRP

Fully optioned 2008 approximately $50K MSRP

Does this seem accurate to the rest of you?

BTW, a fully optioned 2005 CTS w/ 1SC and special paint retailed for $45.5k.

Not according to the Order Guide:

1 - Not an orderable option. Included and only available with (Y42) 18" All-Season Tire Performance Package when (MX7) 6-speed automatic transmission AWD is ordered. Additional charge for (J55) performance brakes will apply.

2 - Not an orderable option. Included and only available with (Y42) 18" All-Season Tire Performance Package when (MX7) 6-speed automatic transmission AWD is ordered or with (Y43) 18" Summer Tire Performance Package when (MX0) 6-speed automatic transmission RWD is ordered. No additional charge for (J55) performance brakes will apply.

Note 1 applies to the 6DM69
Note 2 applies to the 6DP69

:cheers:

This is exactly what I said, which makes sense since I'm using the same source. Note the AWD in note 1. That's for all-wheel-drive. And note 2 says that the brakes are only included with RWD when the pricier Summer Tire Package is also ordered, not with PDR alone.

If you order a RWD car with PDR and not the Summer Tire package, you do not get the performance brakes and are not charged the extra $395.

This is exactly what I said, which makes sense since I'm using the same source. Note the AWD in note 1. That's for all-wheel-drive. And note 2 says that the brakes are only included with RWD when the pricier Summer Tire Package is also ordered, not with PDR alone.

If you order a RWD car with PDR and not the Summer Tire package, you do not get the performance brakes and are not charged the extra $395.


I stand corrected. You are right.


:cheers:

BTW, a fully optioned 2005 CTS w/ 1SC and special paint retailed for $45.5k.

Chuck,

I was using the 2007 price for the current CTS minus the free audio package since I think it is a model close out type of deal and it turns out that a fully optioned 2008 CTS (sans the AWD) comes in at around $47,500 rather than $50K. A significant increase, but also significant improvements. We can't ask for major improvements and not expect to help finance them.

I stand corrected. You are right.


:cheers:

That little "AWD" is an easy thing to miss. I'm painfully aware of how hard it can be to dig accurate info out of these guides. And they're still far clearer and more accurate than Nissan's. And Chrysler's...I don't even like to think about those. I currently have pricing info for the 2008 300 on hold after messing with it for hours because it was such a mess.

I'm waiting for inventories to build, hopefully rebates after the first of the year and hopefully I can use some of my accumulated $3000 in GM card credits.

I'm thinking the 304HP DI engine, PDR performance - that'll get me automatic, leather, pwr seats w/ lumbar / heat / memory, heated washers, HID w/ washers, 18" wheels, Limited slip, FE2 sport suspension and performance cooling for $37,845 plus delivery. Getting the price close to invoice and I'm hovering around $35K. Sign me up! (maybe I'll kick in for the summer performance package for another $1,240...)

Chuck,

I was using the 2007 price for the current CTS minus the free audio package since I think it is a model close out type of deal and it turns out that a fully optioned 2008 CTS (sans the AWD) comes in at around $47,500 rather than $50K. A significant increase, but also significant improvements. We can't ask for major improvements and not expect to help finance them.


That being said, I think the price increases are a good indication that the V will probably start at ~$52k. Wouldn't you say?

I have been placing lots of orders for the 2008 Cadillac CTS..

I'm waiting for inventories to build, hopefully rebates after the first of the year and hopefully I can use some of my accumulated $3000 in GM card credits.

I'm thinking the 304HP DI engine, PDR performance - that'll get me automatic, leather, pwr seats w/ lumbar / heat / memory, heated washers, HID w/ washers, 18" wheels, Limited slip, FE2 sport suspension and performance cooling for $37,845 plus delivery. Getting the price close to invoice and I'm hovering around $35K. Sign me up! (maybe I'll kick in for the summer performance package for another $1,240...)

I like that package! I too have accumulated some GM Card $$$.

Yep. Last week it was at event status 3400.

:cheers:

:highfive::worship::highfive::alchi:

RIGHT ON! Just curious, which color combo did you go with?

Im patiently waiting for the reveal of the CTC Coupe. GOD I hope they pull this trigger... sooner than later of course!

:highfive::worship::highfive::alchi:

RIGHT ON! Just curious, which color combo did you go with?

Im patiently waiting for the reveal of the CTC Coupe. GOD I hope they pull this trigger... sooner than later of course!


It's going to be my wife's car. White Diamond with Cashmere.

6DP69
PDQ
Y42
P63

:cheers:

I'm waiting for inventories to build, hopefully rebates after the first of the year and hopefully I can use some of my accumulated $3000 in GM card credits.

I'm thinking the 304HP DI engine, PDR performance - that'll get me automatic, leather, pwr seats w/ lumbar / heat / memory, heated washers, HID w/ washers, 18" wheels, Limited slip, FE2 sport suspension and performance cooling for $37,845 plus delivery. Getting the price close to invoice and I'm hovering around $35K. Sign me up! (maybe I'll kick in for the summer performance package for another $1,240...)

I'd want to drive both packages before deciding myself. Gotta wonder how much difference there is between the suspensions.

hurry up and depreciate.
i'll buy a lease end, or an 07 so i can swap my parts.

I don't know about you guys, but I am kinda happy that Cadillac increased its CTS pricing like this.

Cadillac was always known as the... welll.... Cadillac of cars!

With the base-level CTS back in 2003-2007, heck, ANYONE could easily own a Cadillac... they were cheaper than a fully-loaded Accord!

Bums like you and me :D were able to easily afford a Caddy.

I knew all along that after a few years, when it was re-design time, we'd again be looking at a ~$50,000 ENTRY-LEVEL vehicle from Cadillac.

None of these prices shock me.

I think this will help elevate the brand to a more prestigious level once again.

Getting behind the wheel of a 2004-5-6-whatever CTS does not, in any way, smell or feel luxurious. Heck, the Impala the dealer gave me seemed more luxurious.

I'm very glad to see a decently base-level Caddy close to the $50K mark.

In my grandparents' and parents' day... only the most successful of athletes, businesspeople, and professionals were able to drive around town with the Cadillac crest and wreath on their vehicles.

For the past few years, the rest of the public was able to drive around in a caddy.

I am happy once again to see Cadillac rise to a luxurious level, even if it means we have to shell out around $50,000 for a CTS.

I'm okay with the 2008 pricing.

The price increase simply isn't that large. Comparably equipped, it's just a grand or two. Adjusted for inflation, it's probably less than the 2003 was.

I don't know about you guys, but I am kinda happy that Cadillac increased its CTS pricing like this.

Cadillac was always known as the... welll.... Cadillac of cars!

With the base-level CTS back in 2003-2007, heck, ANYONE could easily own a Cadillac... they were cheaper than a fully-loaded Accord!

Bums like you and me :D were able to easily afford a Caddy.

I knew all along that after a few years, when it was re-design time, we'd again be looking at a ~$50,000 ENTRY-LEVEL vehicle from Cadillac.

None of these prices shock me.

I think this will help elevate the brand to a more prestigious level once again.

Getting behind the wheel of a 2004-5-6-whatever CTS does not, in any way, smell or feel luxurious. Heck, the Impala the dealer gave me seemed more luxurious.

I'm very glad to see a decently base-level Caddy close to the $50K mark.

In my grandparents' and parents' day... only the most successful of athletes, businesspeople, and professionals were able to drive around town with the Cadillac crest and wreath on their vehicles.

For the past few years, the rest of the public was able to drive around in a caddy.

I am happy once again to see Cadillac rise to a luxurious level, even if it means we have to shell out around $50,000 for a CTS.

I'm okay with the 2008 pricing.

As a Cadillac dealer that's the way I look at it too- restoring the brand. A lot of the people on these forums will disagree with you though, since all they care about is being able to get one cheap and then bitch about the features that are missing.

Points for an intelligent post. :thumbsup:

The nice thing about owning or buying a cadillac is the high rate of depreciation in a few years I should be able to get a used one for cheap.

exactly, buying brand new is almost stupid. just to have it depreciate 10g's just driving it off the lot. i just wait untill people return their lease and buy a loaded caddy for 15-20g's less. and ya still get a nice gm optimized warranty.
brand new is for leasers.

A guess - 09 V ? 11K more than a fully optioned CTS + Gas guzzler tax :D

Depreciation is just a fact of buying any new vehicle.

Not a big deal if the new car is worth the experience.

IMO the 2008 CTS is worth the hit.

Hell you only go around once in this life time.

Sometimes its just part of buying new.

Can't take it with you and you snooze you might just loose. (never having had the chance) I'm not saying buying preowned is less expensive...just not as much fun.

And we all know you often times have to pay for the fun.

Compared to whats out there "new" the CTS is still a hell of a luxury car and priced well to boot.

JMO

I do not think that it is quite fair to compare any ‘end of last model year’ ‘special edition \ package’ sorts of promotional pricing [ Bose Edition ] to the beginning of a first model year follow-on model.

[[ The last year ( MY 2004 ) of the C5 Corvette resulted in monstrous discounts ( for Corvettes ) of $10K - $12K, from several reports I have seen. Just after the C6 version was introduced. ]]

And whether or not any of the new features standard or available for 2008 ( higher HP \ TQ version of the 3.6L V6 w/Direct Injection, 6-speed automatic, really big sunroof, front seats that can be ventilated \ cooled as well as heated, navigation system, AWD - anything I missed? ) are of interest to you, I think that when added \ selected they clearly add some cost – and offer additional value, at least to some.

Thus, in the content sense, ‘fully loaded’ for a 2007 CTS is really not comparable to ‘fully loaded’ for a 2008.

And I keep coming back to the rather significant gap between the base 2008 CTS and the base 2008 V6 STS.

- Ray
Thinking the 2008 pricing is at least reasonable – if not ‘bargain basement’. . .

From my observations, it seems that the new caddy is about $2k more than a similarly equipped first gen model...and that's consistent from base to fully equipped. Based on the improvements, I'd say this is a not a bad deal.

AWD :drool:

From my observations, it seems that the new caddy is about $2k more than a similarly equipped first gen model...and that's consistent from base to fully equipped. Based on the improvements, I'd say this is a not a bad deal.

I absolutely agree. I have the '05 CTS 3.6l, manual with FE3 suspension, fold-down rears and XM. That was it. I want the performance. If you don't want the "luxury items" (which obviously I don't) you don't have to buy 'em.

I was relieved to see that the 6-speed is still an option. Also, I disagree regarding the pricing effect on used vehicles. Off the lot, they will have to discount, but I would hope that the resale of the older units may hold up with the higher list prices.

If not, an older version CTS-V will get into my price range for a weekender car.

Let's see what the dealerships charge for the 08 CTS. The dealerships around me here in California still have plenty of 07s for sale all of which are stickered at 35K plus and these are base package models. At least initially, I would be surprised to see any 08s for under 40K on the lots. Of course, you could always try ordering one.

exactly, buying brand new is almost stupid. just to have it depreciate 10g's just driving it off the lot. i just wait untill people return their lease and buy a loaded caddy for 15-20g's less. and ya still get a nice gm optimized warranty.
brand new is for leasers.

There are smart people on this forum!! It's the way to do it. Even if you can afford a new one; why do it. Yeah, for about a year or so you will have people checking out your ride and give you compliments.

for a few laughs..to discuss this further...

There are concepts that are more important than "bang for the buck"

When I put my wife in a car with my 11 year old severly handicapped kid I don't want them driving down the road alone in a used car.

Thats why I only have her in new vehicles.

Does it cost me a few dollars more? probably but thats not the most important thing when considering all factors.

for a few laughs..to discuss this further...

There are concepts that are more important than "bang for the buck"

When I put my wife in a car with my 11 year old severly handicapped kid I don't want them driving down the road alone in a used car.

Thats why I only have her in new vehicles.

Does it cost me a few dollars more? probably but thats not the most important thing when considering all factors.

Sadly – there will likely always be many who believe that THEIR views and THEIR priorities ( for car purchase, or whatever ) are the only ones that are valid.

That only the way they term ‘smart’ is The One True Way.

And what is most important to them must also be most important to any other rational & reasonable human. ( sigh )

Since it your money ( and perhaps your credit ) it seems to me that YOUR views & priorities are all that really matter

Typically buying ‘new’ – for reasons that make sense ** TO ME ** . . .

Sadly – there will likely always be many who believe that THEIR views and THEIR priorities ( for car purchase, or whatever ) are the only ones that are valid.

That only the way they term ‘smart’ is The One True Way.

And what is most important to them must also be most important to any other rational & reasonable human. ( sigh )

Since it your money ( and perhaps your credit ) it seems to me that YOUR views & priorities are all that really matter.

- Ray
Typically buying ‘new’ – for reasons that make sense ** TO ME ** . . .

What's with the font? I feel like I'm back in high school trying to make my essay longer by stretching my words using "courier new". Use the smilies to express your words.:highfive:

is it true that the only way to get HID headlamps is to get a performance tire package? does anyone besides me find that to be ridiculous? i can spend about $45,000 to get navi, all wheel drive and what not but doesn't come with HIDs? i sure hope i'm reading this wrong and it's not true..

That's the way I read it. HID's shouldn't even be optional in this class of car. I had been seriously interested in the CTS and lurking in these forums until this pricing information came out. It's unfortunate that Cadillac had modeled their price structure after BMW. I had already ruled them out for not providing adequate value for the prices they're demanding and I fear that I'm going to have to cross the CTS off my list for the same reason.

i wasn't really disapointed with the pricing, it's not that high comparative to what it was back in 03/04. i mean i have an 04 cts loaded with every option available that year and that was about $44,000. so adding the awd, which is what i really want, that puts it about 2 grand more which isn't bad because it does have a lot more options then my car has now. i just can't believe that HID's aren't standard.. but yet my dad has an 06 sts and he doesn't have HID's either

Wait for the later issues in 2009 and 2010 for more options/packages being available for this CTS. Aren't most packages restricted for first issues?

Sadly – there will likely always be many who believe that THEIR views and THEIR priorities ( for car purchase, or whatever ) are the only ones that are valid.

That only the way they term ‘smart’ is The One True Way.

And what is most important to them must also be most important to any other rational & reasonable human. ( sigh )

Since it your money ( and perhaps your credit ) it seems to me that YOUR views & priorities are all that really matter

Typically buying ‘new’ – for reasons that make sense ** TO ME ** . . .

there you go...Thats the kicker! Its an individual choice. New definitely has its advantages to those that have priorities that transcend "bang for the buck"

Any news about the diesel engine for the new CTS, power, price and when!? or maybe this will be for europe only.