: Virginia speeding ticket taxes ARE INSANE!!!!



pondo
07-11-07, 11:37 AM
I need to leave this god damn state.

"The purpose of the civil remedial fees imposed in this section is to generate revenue," the new law states. (Virginia Code 46.2-206.1)

Driving as little as 15 MPH over the limit on an interstate highway now brings six license demerit points, a fine of up to $2500, up to one year in jail, and a new mandatory $1050 tax. The law also imposes an additional annual fee of up to $100 if a prior conviction leaves the motorist with a balance of eight demerit points, plus $75 for each additional point (up to $700 a year). The conviction in this example remains on the record for five years.

Other six-point convictions include "failing to give a proper signal," "passing a school bus" or "driving with an obstructed view." The same $1050 assessment applies, but the conviction remains on the record for eleven years.

Maybe I should pickup a diesel benz...naaaah!

TagApl4
07-11-07, 12:00 PM
Kinda makes the moving violation I just paid seem insignificant: $158 for rolling through a stop sign. I'm from the west coast where its in the books that if there is no cross traffic just pause real quick.

RunningOnEMT
07-11-07, 12:54 PM
its not that bad... i live in VA too... i just got my tickets luckily before the July 1 cut in date for the new fines...

You seriously have to sit down and think about it though, yeah this is probably the defensive driving course speaking. but how much time do you save by speeding?

over the 216 mile trip to my parents house in jersey i'd save 20 minutes going 75 as opposed to 65... is it worth the 1000 dollar fine and possible jailtime over 20 more minutes in the car....

and damned if my V lets me drive more than 20 feet with no seatbelt on... and stopsigns have 10" tall letters on them that say STOP ... no reason to miss them


yeah the fines suck but personally i don't see any reason anymore to go that fast to save so little time and risk so much money/time

pondo
07-11-07, 03:10 PM
You have a car with 100,000 miles on it. Suppose you averaged 60mph for each of those miles - it would take you 1666 hours worth of driving. Now say you were speeding 15mph over doing 75...it would take you 1333 hours saving you 333 hours or just under 14 complete days of driving. That would be like skipping a 3 week vacation (work days) just because you were a good person and did the speed limit.

screw virginia.:rant2:

Dadillac
07-11-07, 05:18 PM
You have a car with 100,000 miles on it. Suppose you averaged 60mph for each of those miles - it would take you 1666 hours worth of driving. Now say you were speeding 15mph over doing 75...it would take you 1333 hours saving you 333 hours or just under 14 complete days of driving. That would be like skipping a 3 week vacation (work days) just because you were a good person and did the speed limit.

screw virginia.:rant2:

We drive Cadillac's. We love to drive our cars. Don't we?

Don

malcolm
07-11-07, 05:51 PM
Virginia will make criminals out of common ordinary good citizens. When low income drivers are ticketed there will be no way to pay, the choice of feed the family or pay an outrageous fine. I think and hope the laws will be challenged and amended.

thebigjimsho
07-11-07, 06:39 PM
I drive 80 in a 65 anywhere I go, stupid revenue generating laws be damned. Have fun catching me. And if you do, have fun ever getting money out of me. I'll fight everything and anything...

JimMayor007
11-10-09, 12:51 PM
Have any of you guys tried that GPS program that alerts you to speed traps. looks interesting. I was thinking of trying out phantom alert. anyone with personal experience in here?

http://phantomalert-review.blogspot.com/

dkozloski
11-10-09, 01:31 PM
Scofflaws forever. Pick out the laws you want to obey and screw the rest. Do what you want but don't come blubbering around to me looking for sympathy when you get nailed.

To get a speeding ticket two things have to happen; you need to violate the limit and you have to be stupid enough to let the cops see you do it. Evey speeding ticket should have a negligent drivng charge tacked on because you must have been sleeping or day-dreaming instead of being on the lookout.

Stingroo
11-10-09, 03:12 PM
^ I like the way you think in this case.

That is a very fair point. I especially find it funny when people SEE a pack of cars slowing down, because a cop is near, and then think we're all morons and speed past. Guess who gets the ticket EVERY TIME? lol

Submariner409
11-10-09, 05:05 PM
If you watch the DC drivers on I-95 southbound in Virginia, they generally do 20-25 mph over the limit, faithfully. Radar detectors are illegal in VA, sooooooo..........the trick is to let one of the DC clowns fly by, and then fall in a half mile behind and let them blaze the trail.

dkozloski
11-10-09, 05:11 PM
If you watch the DC drivers on I-95 southbound in Virginia, they generally do 20-25 mph over the limit, faithfully. Radar detectors are illegal in VA, sooooooo..........the trick is to let one of the DC clowns fly by, and then fall in a half mile behind and let them blaze the trail.
A hundred years ago when I was stationed at FAAWTC Dam Neck the state troopers patrolled at about 70 MPH so I'd get about a quarter mile behind one of them on a long trip.

orconn
11-10-09, 05:26 PM
Virginia should really clean up on Interstate 95! I think this was tried a few years ago and was rescinded decause there was no way to be sure to collect from out of state drivers, who were the biggest scoff laws on the interstates.

In Virginia the likelyhood of some mimser pulling into your way at 45 mph while you are travelling at 70 mph or better is very real. Virginia's speed limits, by and large, are pretty reasonable so I have little symapathy forthose doing in excess of 15 mh over the limit.

Now if the VA legislature were really serious about traffic safety (which is doubtful) they would hike the fines for "tail gating." Not only would multiple car accidents be cut significantly, but in the process revenues from the enforcement of tail gating laws would probably allow the state to cut income taxes! Truth is all the legislators and their wives and their children all tail gate and the fact taht VA Troopers don't want to enforce the tail gating laws on the books means we all can look forward to multiple car accidents caused by ubiquitous tail gating to continue unabated driving up insurance premiums.

93DevilleUSMC
11-10-09, 08:39 PM
$1050 for small traffic violations is outright unreasonable.

ga_etc
11-11-09, 03:33 AM
Evey speeding ticket should have a negligent drivng charge tacked on because you must have been sleeping or day-dreaming instead of being on the lookout.

That's not always the case, especially here in Georgia. The only ticket I have on my record is for speeding on I-75 late in '07. I was coming down a hill southbound and went to pass a camper. GSP was sitting at the top of the on-ramp shooting radar from behind the trees. There was absolutely no way to see them until until you were under the over-pass, and by that time it is way too late. They got me at 81 in a 65. Cost me $125.

Jesda
11-11-09, 04:06 AM
VA just lost my tourist dollars.

Jesda
11-11-09, 04:08 AM
Scofflaws forever. Pick out the laws you want to obey and screw the rest. Do what you want but don't come blubbering around to me looking for sympathy when you get nailed.

To get a speeding ticket two things have to happen; you need to violate the limit and you have to be stupid enough to let the cops see you do it. Evey speeding ticket should have a negligent drivng charge tacked on because you must have been sleeping or day-dreaming instead of being on the lookout.

In many urban areas, going the speed limit will CAUSE dangerous bottlenecks and sudden slowdowns.

Atlanta.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-11-09, 07:56 AM
In many urban areas, going the speed limit will CAUSE dangerous bottlenecks and sudden slowdowns.

Atlanta.

Right, but in that case, you've gotta roll with it and not stick out from the pack.

ewill3rd
11-11-09, 08:14 AM
As stated, you have to be in violation of the law to get cited. Obey the law and the rules they impose on the lawbreakers are meaningless, reasonable or not.

I am not sure how much time during each given day on the roads I have driven on in NO-VA you can even go 15mph over the speed limit on.
Usually it is more like 20-40 mph below the speed limit. It took me almost an hour and a half to get to Chantilly last night and I bet 5 minutes of that was travelling even close to the speed limit.

You have the freedom to break the law, and you have the freedom to pay for your actions.
Sorry to sound like your mother....
As far as the law goes, if it is so unjust there are ways to appeal it in our society. Maybe instead of crying and leaving you could take up and make a difference about something you care about.
I would hope that overall speed limit enforcement is more about public safety than it is about collecting revenue. (although I am sure that is not always the case)

The exits from VA are clearly marked and defined on any map. The on board GPS system will help you get wherever you want to go :lol:
As a person with 15 moving violations in my past, every one of which I deserved... and more, I say in an area this densely populated with a lot of horrible and inexperienced drivers it falls on us to at least make an effort to obey the law for our own safety.
Granted in less populated areas of the state this might seem over the top, and again if I understand this whole situation the fines and punishment are at the discretion of the judge and more than likely based on the circumstances.
I am not sure it is "automatic" but then again it has been a considerable amount of time since I have gotten a ticket, but not long enough!

Rolex
11-11-09, 11:14 AM
Times get tough, cops write more tickets. The idea that they have a quota to meet is not true, but patrolmen have to show their supervisors they were doing something other then cruising around and wasting gas. My old college roomate is a deputy with Washington county locally, and told me his super rode his case because he gave too many verbal warnings (no real evidence he was doing his job). He got off his case when he started to write citations and generate some revenue too :rolleyes:. It happens.

If I exceed the speed limit I try to keep it under 10 over on the highway and no more then 5 over in the city. If you're 20 over in my city the local judge will give you a mandatory license suspension for 30 days and fine you big time. On the highway I also get about a half mile behind a speeder and let them run my front door while I scan with the Escort detector. It's good to keep an eye out but the state boys get pretty crafty at hiding behind trees and cover on freeway on ramps so you never see them when they pop you. If you speed past a trooper comic straight at you i agree you deserve a ticket.

When I get caught speeding I just pay the kitty and move on. Those extra fines aren't going to deter speeders IMO. I agree they will make criminals out of the common guy.

gdwriter
11-11-09, 12:29 PM
In many urban areas, going the speed limit will CAUSE dangerous bottlenecks and sudden slowdowns.

Atlanta.You're also likely to get mowed down.

When I was in Chicago, I was doing 75 MPH on I-355 heading to Volo just to keep pace, and there were still people passing me like I was standing still. When there's moderate traffic, even when it's moving steadily, speeds that high are just asking for trouble.

On my last visit to Phoenix last January, I saw how they've gone absolutely nuts with the photo radar. They're mounted on light poles all over the freeways, along with mobile units. Ironically, the mobile units post signs along the shoulder giving you advance notice of their presence, but I still see people blow past them.

As Chicago's biggest suburb, Phoenix drivers are also leadfoots and you have to speed to keep from getting run over. I still keep it to less than 10 over. Out of the city, where the speed limit is 75 MPH on the Interstates, I generally keep it at 75; it's a comfortable speed and when traffic is spread out, you're not as likely to get run over.

Oregon is still stuck with a 65 MPH speed limit on the Interstate because the former governor was an emergency room physician and he vetoed every bill to increase it. So I set the cruise at 70, and I've been passed by the highway patrol.

dkozloski
11-11-09, 04:17 PM
You're also likely to get mowed down.

When I was in Chicago, I was doing 75 MPH on I-355 heading to Volo just to keep pace, and there were still people passing me like I was standing still. When there's moderate traffic, even when it's moving steadily, speeds that high are just asking for trouble.

On my last visit to Phoenix last January, I saw how they've gone absolutely nuts with the photo radar. They're mounted on light poles all over the freeways, along with mobile units. Ironically, the mobile units post signs along the shoulder giving you advance notice of their presence, but I still see people blow past them.

As Chicago's biggest suburb, Phoenix drivers are also leadfoots and you have to speed to keep from getting run over. I still keep it to less than 10 over. Out of the city, where the speed limit is 75 MPH on the Interstates, I generally keep it at 75; it's a comfortable speed and when traffic is spread out, you're not as likely to get run over.

Oregon is still stuck with a 65 MPH speed limit on the Interstate because the former governor was an emergency room physician and he vetoed every bill to increase it. So I set the cruise at 70, and I've been passed by the highway patrol.
I remember when Oregon had a reasonable and prudent law like Montana and Nevada where you drive for weather and highway conditions. Back then if you got a speeding ticket in Oregon you had to be asking for it by acting stupid.

Aron9000
11-12-09, 05:54 AM
I remember when Oregon had a reasonable and prudent law like Montana and Nevada where you drive for weather and highway conditions. Back then if you got a speeding ticket in Oregon you had to be asking for it by acting stupid.

That is a great law for some sparsley populated areas of the western US, where you'll pass an oncoming car once every 5 or 10 miles. If the road is straight and your rig will comfortably cruise at 100mph+, I don't see why you shouldn't haul ass if you're the only man on the road.

I'll straight up admit to being an Interstate speed demon, I usually drive 80-85mph in town, 85-90mph out in the country if the traffic permits. I've found that driving faster is a lot more relaxing/less irritating for me than driving the speed limit. I hate driving 73mph and having some bozo pass me then slow down. I pass him because he slowed down, then he passes me again, hanging out in my blind spot for a good two miles before finally pulling ahead. :bomb: That's why I drive faster than everybody else, just pass them and don't worry about how shitty of a driver they are.

I'm extremely safe when I drive though, because I am 100% focused on the road. I never weave through traffic, I always pass in the far left lane. If you're being a whore and hogging the left lane, I will flash my brights, ride your ass, and generally be obnioxous. It is the law for slower traffic to keep right.

If I have to make a phone call or feel like one of my passengers is distracting my concentration, then I'll slow down and sit in the right lane. Speeding in town or in highly congested areas is a no go though, but on the interstate I just feel safer driving fast.

ewill3rd
11-12-09, 07:06 AM
Oh I will confess that I speed no matter where I go.
Something in my brain makes me want to go just a liiiiiittle bit faster than the rest of the traffic. Mainly so I can keep track of who is where.
If I see an insane driver I will either back off and let him get away from me, but if it is slow crazy person I will do my best to get in front of them and let them be insane behind me.

In CA the speed limit was either 55 or 65 depending on where you were, but if you were going less than 80 you were dead meat.
I was going about 80 in one of the 55 areas and I had a CHP on my tail with his lights on, when I started to move over, turns out I was just in his way! He blew by me like I was standing still.

Point is, there is no real need to exceed speed limits by that amount unless you are being goofy, there is also a point in your speed where the frictional forces overcome and seriously begin to reduce the efficiency of your vehicle... meaning you are burning fuel at a seriously excessive rate.
There is also a factor of safety here. If a deer shoots out in front of you (as some members can attest to) you'd be better off (in most, if not all cases) to be going a slower speed.
Same goes for a pedestrian or alien spacecraft. If the spacecraft is behind you then I think you can go as fast as you want.... :lol:
If you want to goof off and speed, buy some track time.
Me and my kids are driving around on the roads. I don't need a 5,000 pound projectile blasting through traffic in an attempt to prove that someone's penis is bigger than mine (or at least their wallet) and putting me and my family at risk.
If you are out in the sticks and it is just you and the wild animals, knock yourself out.
There are too many people in this country picking which laws they want to abide by.
Granted lawmakers are cranking out some retarded ones, but they are still laws and as I said earlier, if they are so unreasonable there is a process in place to get them changed.

Rant off.

joee5
11-12-09, 08:55 AM
Reckon they need more revenue. Property taxes only go so far nowadays so the need to come up with new schemes while we have no choice but to pay.