: Outrageous???



Luna.
07-02-07, 11:52 AM
Am I the only one infuriated by this? The interesting part is that I don't even line in Virginia and this is where this law went into effect!!

It's just as I've always said: if the government wants to raise revenue, INCREASE TAXES. Revenue from traffic law violations should serve as a deterent to perform certain behavior, NOT as a revenue stream.

As Will Durant has said though, "All things bend towards economics."

Ain't it the truth...

What a joke...

"Such "driver responsibility programs" have become increasingly common for two reasons: Many states find that serial offenders make up the bulk of their cases, and they simply need the money. In fact, Virginia added a fee rather than increase fines because it wanted the money to improve its roads, and revenue from fines must go to public schools. The fees are expected to raise $200 million a year."

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/Advice/VirginiasNewSpeedingTicket.aspx

trukk
07-02-07, 11:58 AM
They need to change the name of VA to :

People's Republic of Virginia
UnCommonwealth of Virginia
Union of Southern Socialist Republic's
TexasI hate NorVa, much less the rest of that god-awful state. So glad I live in MD. The only 'nice' thing about VA is VIR.


-Chris

HushH
07-02-07, 11:59 AM
Why does this not surprise me:

"The sponsor of the law, David Albo, is a partner in one of Virginia's largest law firms; one of its specialties is traffic cases. "

Feffman
07-02-07, 12:24 PM
"The sponsor of the law, David Albo, is a partner in one of Virginia's largest law firms; one of its specialties is traffic cases. "

With respect to good attorneys everywhere:

"...the first thing we do is kill all the lawyers!" - William Shakespeare

Feff

darkman
07-02-07, 12:45 PM
They need to change the name of VA to :

People's Republic of Virginia
UnCommonwealth of Virginia
Union of Southern Socialist Republic's
TexasI hate NorVa, much less the rest of that god-awful state. So glad I live in MD. The only 'nice' thing about VA is VIR.


-Chris
What does Texas have to with this? The odds of getting ticketed in Texas, as opposed to other states is not particularly high and the cost of vilolations is not extraordinary. In fact, as a Texan my biggest concern related to moving violations has to do with the assoicated increase in car insurance rates that follow.

onebadcad
07-02-07, 01:11 PM
Don't get me started, as I believe over 75% of Law Enforcement focuses on traffic enforcement and ticket writing.
We have a new proposal in Florida for cutting Homeowner's Property Taxes, and if passed, many LEAs and other Governmental Agencies will be forced to downsize due to decreased budgeting-this should be one very entertaining fight. I really do not see this getting approved, as Government cannot operate with less funds.
Go ahead and flame,,,
Back on Topic, I have not reviewed the proposed Virginia Laws, but it seems that a traffic offender may now pay up to 15 times the amount of the current fines-why not just put them in prison for ten years, seize their assets and vehicle, and cut off their feet so they can never drive again.

RightTurn
07-02-07, 01:24 PM
What does Texas have to with this?

:yeah: We don't even have state income tax. :cowboy: :alchi:

From the article...

That means a motorist convicted of reckless driving (75 mph in a 55 zone would qualify) faces not only a fine of up to $2,500 and a year in jail, but a non-negotiable $350-a-year tax for three years. The law forbids judges from waiving or reducing the fee.

A freakin' YEAR IN JAIL???? :wtf: I can't believe the citizens of VA are putting up with this...what a crock.

darkman
07-02-07, 01:33 PM
A freakin' YEAR IN JAIL???? :wtf: I can't believe the citizens of VA are putting up with this...what a crock.

For those from out of state the response is simple - don't drive in VA...EVER. The risk is simply too high.

ahahnu
07-02-07, 02:00 PM
This was on MSN.com. I was gonna comment on this over the weekend, but though it would get moved. Scroll down the article and see the other states that have already been doing this. I got nailed for awhile in NJ having 13 points, I had to pay alot of extra "surcharges" to the state for three years. Then if you got another moving violation, it was extended for another three years. I can't believethey would throw you in jail for speeding in Va. Its all slowly coming down on auto enthusiasts. Cameras, speed traps, over the top consequences, and hybridcars. What's next?

Luna.
07-02-07, 02:24 PM
It just never ceases to frustrate me that traffic fines are used PRIMARILY as a revenue stream and NOT to promote certain behavior. TAXES should be the government's primary source of revenue, NOT traffic fines.

It's a joke & these politicians needs to be hung up by their balls...(or boobs--take your pick)

whisler151
07-02-07, 02:33 PM
I'm glad I didn't get that reckless driving in VA!

trukk
07-02-07, 02:36 PM
What does Texas have to with this? The odds of getting ticketed in Texas, as opposed to other states is not particularly high and the cost of vilolations is not extraordinary. In fact, as a Texan my biggest concern related to moving violations has to do with the assoicated increase in car insurance rates that follow.


My reference to Texas was twofold:

1) It's fairly common knowledge in Texas if you get cuaght doing something 'wrong', you usually end up on the wron gend of the stick

2) The article specifically refered to Texas doing something very similar:

Texas:
$100 x 3 years for 6 points (plus $25 for each point over 6)
$1,000 x 3 years for DUI
$2,500 x 3 years for two DUIs
$250 x 3 years for expired insurance
$100 x 3 years for an expired license
-Chris

P.S. I have to schlep 2 hours to go to traffic court tomorrow out in BFE Eastershore MD, for a 'revenue' traffic citation. Hoping the cop is on Vacation for the 4th. I also want to keep my criving reccord points free. This is my 4th ticket this year. Thus far i have zero points, thanks to going to court :thumbsup:

darkman
07-02-07, 02:50 PM
My reference to Texas was twofold:

1) It's fairly common knowledge in Texas if you get cuaght doing something 'wrong', you usually end up on the wron gend of the stick


2) The article specifically refered to Texas doing something very similar:
Texas:


$100 x 3 years for 6 points (plus $25 for each point over 6)


$1,000 x 3 years for DUI


$2,500 x 3 years for two DUIs


$250 x 3 years for expired insurance


$100 x 3 years for an expired license


Okay, but the only big numbers I see are for DUI which I consider a completely different issue. Being an auto enthusiast and serial speeder is one thing, but DUI quite another. I do not know where Texas stands today in the national ratings, but historically our DUI problem has cost many many lives includiing many non-driving children. Thus, our tolerance on that subject is substantially diminished and no apology for that is forthcoming.

thebigjimsho
07-02-07, 03:11 PM
Okay, but the only big numbers I see are for DUI which I consider a completely different issue. Being an auto enthusiast and serial speeder is one thing, but DUI quite another. I do not know where Texas stands today in the national ratings, but historically our DUI problem has cost many many lives includiing many non-driving children. Thus, our tolerance on that subject is substantially diminished and no apology for that is forthcoming.I am all about driving fast and sober.

trukk
07-02-07, 03:56 PM
I am all about driving fast and sober.

One out of two's not bad :thumbsup:

-Chris

P.S. I'll leave which of the two open to the interpretation of Jim's readership.

thebigjimsho
07-02-07, 04:23 PM
One out of two's not bad :thumbsup:

-Chris

P.S. I'll leave which of the two open to the interpretation of Jim's readership.Yep, bump drafting would've been a good idea.

gothicaleigh
07-02-07, 05:27 PM
Michigan has driver responsibility fees too.

Companies and people are leaving the state in droves, our economy is in the gutter, and what does our state government do?
Fleece us for even more! I have a feeling they won't be happy until they drive us all off (in foreign cars of course)... :gothicaleigh:

P-Funk
07-02-07, 05:28 PM
For those from out of state the response is simple - don't drive in VA...EVER. The risk is simply too high.

Actually, if you are going to speed in VA, you better be from out of state. It says that the additional recurring fines only apply to in state drivers and not out of state drivers.

AlBundy
07-02-07, 05:52 PM
Become a law enforcer and you won't have this problem,:eek: as stated before if ya can't beat-em,:thepan: join-em.:highfive::histeric:

RightTurn
07-02-07, 06:46 PM
It's a joke & these politicians needs to be hung up by their balls...(or boobs--take your pick)

The message to these politicians should simply be "my vote got you there and my vote will get you OUT." Enough already.

darkman
07-02-07, 08:33 PM
Actually, if you are going to speed in VA, you better be from out of state. It says that the additional recurring fines only apply to in state drivers and not out of state drivers.

I was not referring so much to the recurring fees as the jail time. Do the jail times apply to out of state drivers?

Spyder
07-02-07, 09:42 PM
Reckless driving in CA can get you a year in jail too. CAN. Doesn't mean it will. That's a worst case...gotta start high so you can litigate down to what you really want to do.

Huh. I'd rather be fined $350 a year for three years than have my Viper taken away!

malcolm
07-06-07, 03:48 PM
How about seat belt laws? In NJ it's now a primary offense, you can be pulled over for not wearing one. The fine is $42.00. Why is it Ok for 40 million kids in this country to ride a school bus twice a day with no seat belts? How F'ed up can this countries laws get?

Jonas McFeely
07-06-07, 04:41 PM
I didnt wear mine the first two years i drove. I got in two accidents with no injuries. Figured my luck may run out... I now wont leave a parking space without it on. I feel naked without it.

Spyder
07-06-07, 05:55 PM
The school buses are designed, actually fairly well from the things I've seen, to hold kids in place, based on angles and closeness of the seats and padding and such... Forget where it was, but I watched an interesting thing on that on one of the history or discovery channels...

thebigjimsho
07-06-07, 06:21 PM
There are school buses that have seat belts.

As for wearing seatbelts, I always do now. I didn't for a while. But back in '99, I was in Boston when a light rain came through. I remember thinking how slick the roads were because the rain wasn't heavy enough to wash the oils on the road away but enough to make the roads slick. I started driving very cautiously. I remember those thoughts succinctly.

2 hours later I got a call from my office on the NEXTEL. My brother was just a couple miles away driving down a curvy road on the Jamaica Way in Boston. He was rounding the bend and a lady came around the other way driving slowly enough for dry conditions but understeered in the wet and plowed my brother head on. He was doing 30, she was doing 40. Even with a seatbelt on, he ate steering wheel. Without one, he very well may not be here. That was one huge wakeup call.