: Drivers arrested for going 141MPH



99esteees
06-29-07, 03:04 AM
Original message removed.

This is blatant copyright infringement. Please PM me a link to the story and I'll link to it from here.

To make a long story short, two men were arrested speeding at 141mph in Snohomish County. One car was a 2005 BMW 330i and the other a 2007 Honda Accord. They were booked and charged with reckless driving.

whitesoldat
06-29-07, 03:59 AM
Well that sucks but thats what they get for not driving cadillacs, hahaha j/k.

Jesda
06-29-07, 04:05 AM
Not much room to do it on that part of I-5. They should have done I-90 out in central Washington.

Spyder
06-29-07, 04:35 AM
I, in particular, like THIS part of the story.

"(Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)"

dkozloski
06-29-07, 05:25 AM
My nephew was stopped in his modified Camaro by an Alaska State Trooper roadblock in town on Geist Road. In exchange for him telling them how fast he was really going they agreed to write him up for 90MPH. Calculating from the tach reading and rear axle ratio he was doing 175MPH.

EcSTSatic
06-29-07, 09:37 AM
Looks like it's Crawford and Scott. There's no set bail, whatever that means.
http://web5.co.snohomish.wa.us/corrections/JailRegister/dailyBookingRegister.aspx (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/ODD_141_MPH?SITE=VASTR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

It's stupid and irresponsible behavior on public roads!:tisk:

96Fleetwood
06-29-07, 09:48 AM
Not a good idea!

Back in 2000, I was caught doing 149 mph racing a C5 Corvette with my modified Porsche 944 S2. The Vette owner tried to run and was eventually caught. I pulled right over and spent the night in jail and had my car impounded.

After $1,500 in legal fees, $1,200 to the state of Virginia, and having to sell my car... I learned my lesson.

They slapped me with a misdemeanor (racing on the highway) and it will be on my record until 2011. I am still paying high insurance rates to this day...

not to mention when I applied to medical school in 2003, I had to write a essay on why I had a that blemish on my record :tisk: NOT FUN, and not worth it!!!

CIWS
06-29-07, 09:52 AM
I would never do 140mph in my car (cough)

Where's Whisler ? :D

RightTurn
06-29-07, 10:05 AM
I would never do 140mph in my car (cough)

Where's Whisler ? :D

O...rly? :suspect:

Jonas McFeely
06-29-07, 12:17 PM
Wtf I though Accords were governed at like 125mph?

Anybody ever read about the 147mph Hyundai Sonata rental car?


http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2007/Q1/030120071654169070.jpg < LOLOLOL


It had been a terrific Saturday night for Lawrence Pargo. But now the sun was coming up, and he had to leave the lovely young thing and get to his job, at a home for the disabled, and he was late.
At 5:47 a.m. on Sunday, May 21, the freeway — the Loop 101 — was empty, so empty that before he knew it his rental, a 2006 Hyundai Sonata V-6, was going 128 mph. Eight minutes later he was clocked at 147 mph, which works out to 82 mph over the limit. He didn’t know it, but speed cameras had taken pictures of him as he blew by.
Then he exited the freeway, bought $51 worth of gas, got back onto Loop 101, and at 6:17 a.m. was photographed going 102 mph, and later, 105. Pargo was about to make the newspapers in a big way.




The Sonata had tripped automatic cameras installed along a 7.8-mile stretch of southbound freeway, the so-called Loop 101, that passes through the city of Scottsdale, Arizona. The city council of that upscale desert town had paid $650,000 to Redflex Traffic Systems, also of Scottsdale, to install and run 12 cameras (six southbound, six northbound) for a nine-month trial period, starting in February ’06 and ending in October. So now, just 13 weeks into the deal, cameras had caught the mother of all speeders. (After nine months, the cameras had nailed more than 220,000 drivers going over 75 mph in the 65 zone, but only 90,520, were identified and issued citations. Fines averaged $157 — worth $14.2 million — with $73 of each ticket going to the state, $74 to Scottsdale [Redflex getting $42 of that], and $10 to the court. Another $65,417 was spent on extra court staff and $37,223 on process servers.)



After getting Pargo’s photos, the cops now had to find the guy who went 147 mph in a Hyundai. Scottsdale Police Lt. Frank O’Halloran sent anxious e-mails to his officers: “Please put your best guys on this one, and let’s get him this week.” It took six days, but they got him. Pargo took one look at some shots of himself behind the wheel of the Sonata, said, “Yep, that’s me,” and departed, handcuffed. Pargo is said to have described his caper as “the stupidest of all time,” and declared that he’s in favor of the cameras. He was charged with four counts of excessive speeding, reckless driving, and endangerment. Getting the book thrown at him would work out to a year in jail and a $5000 fine.




But wait just a minute. Is a Sonata even capable of going 147 mph? That was the question an Arizona newspaper put to Car and Driver soon after the story broke. If a Sonata could not go 147, then the speed-monitoring equipment was suspect, and so were all the citations.
Two “certified Hyundai technicians” told one paper that the car could not go over 137 mph. Then a Hyundai official in L.A. told another paper that it could go 147 mph.
In a December 2005 C/D comparison [“Mid-Size Four-Door Sedans (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10245/2006-ford-fusion-sel-v-6-vs-2006-honda-accord-ex-v-6-vs-2006-hyundai-sonata-lx-v-6-vs-2006-toyota-camry-xle-v-6.html)”], a V-6 Sonata LX had run 137 mph flat out. That put the accuracy of the speed cameras in doubt, so next we tried locating Pargo’s rental to test it, but to no avail. In the meantime, a C/D test driver took our long-term Sonata V-6 to the track and — surprise — got a top speed of 144 mph. The section of road where Pargo’s highest speed was clocked, we’re told, is slightly downhill, making his 147-mph speed seem plausible.




Things looked bleak for Pargo. But on November 29, Scottsdale prosecutors allowed him to plead guilty to one count of criminal endangerment, one of reckless driving, and one of excessive speeding at 102 mph. So he got a week in jail (23 of 30 days suspended after he agreed to attend a program for aggressive drivers), a fine of $1239, and a year’s probation.
The controversial speed cameras in Arizona are the first in use on a U.S. freeway. When the 101 Loop was completed in April 2002, government agencies say complaints increased about excessive speeds and motorists darting in and out of traffic. Crash statistics on the Loop, from the Arizona DOT, are interesting: There were 209 that first year (2002), 262 in ’03, then a spike to 403 in ’04, followed by a decline to 297 in ’05. A camera advocate might say crashes doubled from ’02 to ’04, whereas a camera opponent would note that crashes decreased 26 percent in ’05.
Still, Scottsdale needed hard evidence of dangerous driving on the 101 to justify the cameras, not just the hearsay of drivers. In September 2004, the city hired Phoenix-based Traffic Research and Analysis (for $5011) to measure traffic speeds. Traffic Research conducted two speed tests at six locations on the 101 during non-rush-hour periods. The results showed that more than half the drivers clocked — some 62,000 — were driving faster than 75 mph. The city council then voted five to two to bring in the speed cameras.




Simon Washington, an Arizona State University civil-engineering professor and race-car enthusiast, oversaw a committee evaluating the program. He conducted research showing that when the cameras were ticketing, average speeds slowed, from 73.6 mph to 64.2 mph, on that stretch of the 101 Loop. During the 30-day “warning phase” in early 2006, just before the nine-month program began, an average of 973 speeders a day were detected going over 75. When the cameras began issuing citations for real, the average dropped to 778 detections a day. Interestingly, in the first 30 days after the ticketing stopped, the sensors continued to count — and determined that 228,036 drivers exceeded 75 mph in that short time, more than all the speeders clocked in the nine months.
Meanwhile, several bills to ban the cameras were threatened by Arizona state legislators, but none made it to a vote, and many haven’t even made it out of committee.




On January 30, Washington’s panel recommended turning the cameras back on, and by a 5-1 vote, the Scottsdale City Council concurred. In doing so, the traffic cameras took a giant step toward becoming permanent. There is now reason to fear a national move to these electronic Big Brothers.
Mike Sakal is a reporter for the daily East Valley/Scottsdale Tribune.

thebigjimsho
06-29-07, 12:35 PM
Why would you do those speeds and then stop right after? If you need to swap passengers, get off the road...

140 is nothing. 161 isn't that hard, either...

gary88
06-29-07, 01:34 PM
I was watching the Gumball 3000 DVD, and at a gas station one guy was telling the story of how someone in the rally in a Ferrari F50 got clocked doing about 198. They had to bring out a helicopter to follow him.

Spyder
06-29-07, 02:13 PM
I don't like the cameras. I don't like them at all...

Rolex
06-29-07, 08:50 PM
I don't like the cameras. I don't like them at all...

The best sroty I've read about the cameras is the one where kids stole a license plate off of a police vehicle and repeatedly tripped the speeding cameras at 10-15 mph ove the limit. Can you imagine the look on the face of the cops when they started writing themselves tickets for speeding? :rolleyes:

Spyder
06-29-07, 10:52 PM
Sounds like something one of our forum members from Northern California would do, hmmmm? :)

Caddy Man
07-02-07, 09:53 AM
I dont get it. How do these cameras work??? Ive ridden with many cops who have explained to me the complexities of running radar. Thats why all officers are sent to a radar certification school. There can be many mistakes made when using radar to catch speed. There could be large trucks nearby, there could be many other cars nearby, or large road signs. I police rookie cannot just start using radar the first day, they must get trained because there are many factors that go into making it work accuratly. So that leaves the question of how the hell these cameras possibly work?

CIWS
07-02-07, 10:20 AM
I dont get it. How do these cameras work???


A lot of time they are placed at specific distances from each other and use timing, or they place markings on the roadway and measure distance travelled in a time period by the marks. Oklahoma used to use "Bears in the Air" The highway markers (dashed lines) were painted very exacting lengths and a Highway Patrol flying overhead in a cessna would count how many marks travelled in a specific time period and calculate your speed.

Caddy Man
07-02-07, 10:38 AM
A lot of time they are placed at specific distances from each other and use timing, or they place markings on the roadway and measure distance travelled in a time period by the marks. Oklahoma used to use "Bears in the Air" The highway markers (dashed lines) were painted very exacting lengths and a Highway Patrol flying overhead in a cessna would count how many marks travelled in a specific time period and calculate your speed.

you know that makes a lot more sense than what I had thought. I thought that they were operated via radar at which point was I was skeptical about it even working accuratly (ever driven by those speed limit signs that say your speed underneath? See how those numbers just jump all over the place?) The time distance thing makes more sense. We dont have those cameras here. Thanks.

Spyder
07-02-07, 12:45 PM
Out here the freeways are marked on the shoulder. Giant thick white line every quarter mile. Only in some areas, but that'd be an easy way for the chopper or the cessna to time you...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-02-07, 01:00 PM
Hey, Rick and Tim....I think you should take that race of yours out on the highway, for some insane, balls to the walls 75+ mph racing!

We'll call it the Waterbed Rally 2007.

thebigjimsho
07-02-07, 04:46 PM
I dont get it. How do these cameras work??? Ive ridden with many cops who have explained to me the complexities of running radar. Thats why all officers are sent to a radar certification school. There can be many mistakes made when using radar to catch speed. There could be large trucks nearby, there could be many other cars nearby, or large road signs. I police rookie cannot just start using radar the first day, they must get trained because there are many factors that go into making it work accuratly. So that leaves the question of how the hell these cameras possibly work?Ding! That's why they are not legal. Not according to the NHTSA's procedures. And if you go to court to fight the ticket, who is the prosecution's expert witness? Unless those cameras can talk, noone. It's a financial boondoggle that violates every spirit of the law.

Jonas McFeely
07-02-07, 07:19 PM
Hey, Rick and Tim....I think you should take that race of yours out on the highway, for some insane, balls to the walls 75+ mph racing!

We'll call it the Waterbed Rally 2007.

Was listening to Possum Kingdom by The Toadies(another one you should download) on my way to work this morning and i was feeling frisky(and i was late) and got the ol' Sage Sled up to about 90mph. I had the A/C off and it got up there with no problem and felt really solid and safe. Sometimes i dont give her enough credit...

Koooop
07-03-07, 01:17 PM
Not a good idea!

Back in 2000, I was caught doing 149 mph racing a C5 Corvette with my modified Porsche 944 S2. The Vette owner tried to run and was eventually caught. I pulled right over and spent the night in jail and had my car impounded.

After $1,500 in legal fees, $1,200 to the state of Virginia, and having to sell my car... I learned my lesson.

They slapped me with a misdemeanor (racing on the highway) and it will be on my record until 2011. I am still paying high insurance rates to this day...

not to mention when I applied to medical school in 2003, I had to write a essay on why I had a that blemish on my record :tisk: NOT FUN, and not worth it!!!

LOL, Having to sell your car... That's how I bought a Maserati, the judge ordered the guy to sell it "Immediately".

Spyder
07-03-07, 01:37 PM
So...you HAVE a Maserati? Pics!!!

whisler151
07-03-07, 07:53 PM
I would never do 140mph in my car (cough)

Where's Whisler ? :D

So basically here's the low down on my thread...i was caught racing what I thought was a corvette...turns out it was a cop. I was going 142 (on my way to 163) but he was only able to put it as "130+" as his car governed out at 130.
I have a phone interview on the 25th of this month with the prosecuting attorney. I am going to ask to be put on probation and will pay the reckless driving ticket. The way I see it, I was lucky to drive away in the V and not be taken to jail...no need to try to weasel out of much more.


http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/107514-142-mph-75-mph-i-need.html

Koooop
07-03-07, 08:49 PM
So...you HAVE a Maserati? Pics!!!

Long time ago... This is the only picture that I have in my computer. Maserati 4Porte III Royale. Special order car with lots of go fast stuff including a 5spd stick.

Previous owner got nailed for 145+ on a surface street, judge ordered the sale of the car among other things. This great big pig topped out at 174 according to the highly accurate italian speedo.

Koooop
07-03-07, 08:53 PM
So basically here's the low down on my thread...i was caught racing what I thought was a corvette...turns out it was a cop. I was going 142 (on my way to 163) but he was only able to put it as "130+" as his car governed out at 130.
I have a phone interview on the 25th of this month with the prosecuting attorney. I am going to ask to be put on probation and will pay the reckless driving ticket. The way I see it, I was lucky to drive away in the V and not be taken to jail...no need to try to weasel out of much more.


http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/107514-142-mph-75-mph-i-need.html

Get a lawyer.

Spyder
07-06-07, 06:20 PM
Hahaha...I like the luggage rack on the Mas... :)

thebigjimsho
07-06-07, 06:23 PM
Hahaha...I like the luggage rack on the Mas... :)You're not THAT far from Tahoe or snow. So I'm puzzled by this comment...

Jonas McFeely
07-06-07, 06:28 PM
The snow kinda made me think it was a ski rack? :thepan: :stirpot:

Koooop
07-06-07, 06:55 PM
That was a ski rack :thepan: ! It was a sled, seemed like a good idea to take it in the snow. It was a blast on the mountain roads, the great cow cornered like it was on rails.