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Night Wolf
06-28-07, 11:57 AM
First the tires now....

Thousands of Tubes of Contaminated Chinese Toothpaste Found in US Prisons

An officer from the Beijing Administration for Industry and Commerce (BAIC) office speaks to journalists near fake or non-standard products on display at a BAIC food safety monitoring center in Beijing in this June 12, 2007 file photo. China has closed 180 food factories after inspectors found industrial chemicals being used in products from candy to seafood, state media said Wednesday, June 27, 2007. (AP Photo/Ng Han Guan, File)
06-28-2007 12:17 PM
By DON SCHANCHE Jr., Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA (Associated Press) -- Thousands of tubes of contaminated Chinese-made toothpaste were shipped to state prisons and mental hospitals in Georgia, officials said Thursday, a sign that U.S. distribution of the tainted products was wider than initially thought.

Officials with the state prison system and with the agencies that run mental hospitals and juvenile detention centers said they knew of no health problems stemming from the Chinese products.

They said the toothpaste contaminated with diethylene glycol, which is often found in antifreeze, was immediately taken out of use as soon as federal officials notified the state about the problem.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration advised consumers to "avoid using tubes of toothpaste labeled as made in China," according to a statement posted on the agency's Web site.

"Out of an abundance of caution, FDA suggests that consumers throw away toothpaste labeled as made in China," the statement said.

Chinese-made toothpaste has been banned by numerous countries in Asia and the Americas for containing diethylene glycol, or DEG. It is also a low-cost _ and sometimes deadly _ substitute for glycerin, a sweetener in many drugs.

The New York Times reported Thursday that about 900,000 tubes have turned up in the United States, including correctional facilities and some hospitals, not just at discount stores as initially thought.

China insisted Thursday that the safety of its products was "guaranteed," making a rare direct comment on spreading international fears over tainted and adulterated exports.

China "has paid great attention" to the safety of its exports, especially food, because it concerns people's health, Commerce Ministry spokesman Wang Xinpei said.

"It can be said that the quality of China's exports all are guaranteed," Wang told reporters at a regularly scheduled briefing.

Rick Beal in the purchasing division of the Georgia Department of Administrative Services told The Associated Press that cases of the tainted Chinese toothpaste were sent to two state prisons, five state psychiatric hospitals and four juvenile detention facilities.

The prison system was the largest consumer, with 5,877 cases. The hospitals had 101 cases plus some loose tubes and the juvenile detention centers had 25 cases. Each case had 144 tubes.

Beal said that when the FDA notified the state about contamination with diethylene glycol, the toothpaste was taken out of use.

"It's being stored," he said. "It's segregated from their operating supply. 'Do not use' signs are place on them. And they're pending disposition."

Tracy J. Smith, a spokeswoman for the Georgia Department of Corrections, said the prison system had no reports of any health problems related to the toothpaste.

Thomas Wilson, a spokesman for the Georgia Department of Human Resources, which oversees the state's seven mental hospitals, said Thursday that after getting the FDA advisory on June 8, the tubes of tainted toothpaste were immediately pulled and replaced with name-brand toothpaste.

"We asked our clinical directors to be on the lookout for any signs of poisoning or symptoms," Wilson said. "We've not have anybody ill. We are continuing to monitor the situation."

Steve Hayes, a spokesman for the Georgia Department of Juvenile Justice, said none of the youths in the agency's care was affected by the tainted toothpaste.

"We pulled all the product immediately upon notification that there might be a problem and we've continued to monitor the youth in our care," Hayes said. "We've had no illnesses

A spokesman for North Carolina's Department of Correction told the Times that Pacific brand toothpaste was distributed to prisoners who could not afford to buy a name brand at prison stores. The tubes were taken away after trace amounts of DEG was found in them. They said there had been no illnesses reported, and that the toothpaste in question was being replaced with brands not manufactured in China.

Chinese exports came under scrutiny earlier this year with the deaths of dogs and cats in North America blamed on Chinese wheat gluten tainted with the chemical melamine.

Since then, U.S. authorities have turned away or recalled toxic fish, juice containing unsafe color additives and popular toy trains decorated with lead paint.

On Wednesday, three Japanese importers recalled millions of Chinese-made travel toothpaste sets, many sold to inns and hotels, after they were found to contain as much as 6.2 percent of diethylene glycol.

Wang, the Chinese Commerce Ministry spokesman, said Chinese experts have already "explained the situation."

He gave no details, although the country's quality watchdog has in past cited tests from 2000 that it said showed toothpaste containing less than 15.6 percent diethylene glycol was harmless to humans.

Also Wednesday, Beijing police raided a village where live pigs were force-fed wastewater to boost their weight before slaughter, state media reported.

Plastic pipes had been forced down the pigs' throats and villagers had pumped each 220-pound pig with 44 pounds of wastewater, the Beijing Morning Post reported Thursday.

Paperwork showed the pigs were headed for one of Beijing's main slaughterhouses and stamps on their ears indicated that they already had been through quarantine and inspection, the paper said. Suspects escaped during the raid and no arrests were made, it said.

Earlier this week, inspectors announced they had closed 180 food factories in China in the first half of this year and seized tons of candy, pickles, crackers and seafood tainted with formaldehyde, illegal dyes and industrial wax.

"These are not isolated cases," Han Yi, an official with Wei's quality administration, was quoted as saying in Wednesday's state-run China Daily newspaper.

Han's admission was significant because the agency has said in the past that safety violations were the work of a few rogue operators _ a claim aimed at protecting China's billions of dollars of food exports.

06-28-07, 01:31 PM
Ooooh yeah, pigs stuffed with 40+ of rancid $hi+water just to boost the price paid at market. Gives that pork loin an extra special tenderness.

You realize that this kind of thing (and the toothpaste, and the tire recall, etc. etc.) are already having a negative effect on the American mindset towards China. I might add that many of US already had an unfavorable opinion of the Big C due to our country having lost so many jobs (which went there in large part) and the trade deficit, among other things. These reports only serve to reinforce our collective disgust and cynicism.

Now, I know that there is all manner of corporate malfeasance by American companies in this country, but the matter of tainted/harmful/deadly imports from China is surely going to come to a head if their government doesn't figure out how to stop this crap - or at least keep it quiet. I'm guessing they will find ways to do the latter.

They are now enjoying the benefits of big business (unparalleled economic growth and prosperity - at least for a select few) but they are also finding out it is a double edged sword. Personally, I find this somewhat amusing. We [as a society] have led ourselves into a situation where our demand for bigger, more, cheaper consumer goods are biting us all in the butt and it is leaving red China with a PR black eye.

Allow me to point out that I'm not blaming China for faulty product directly - the market there is simply doing what America has been doing for a century. Namely, finding new, inventive ways to do things cheaper, quicker and with more margin, even if it results in people getting burned. Once you let the cat out of the bag, it usually claws your eyes out. This is just how the system works.

To recap a sentiment already posted here by other in various threads, China (or more specifically Chinese industry) is emerging as a major economic power - this makes them the new prime target for criticism. Thing is, they were already at a disadvantage going in because so many Americans had a less than stellar opinion of they way things are done there. These recent problems just pile on more damage.

Just my personal rantings - you may well think I'm full of 44 pounds of wastewater. And yes, I have been likened to a pig on more than one occasion. Oink.


06-28-07, 01:52 PM
The problem with China is that they're growing so quickly right now, trying to become one of the world's largest economies, and they have little regard for laws and patent protection because of it. Kind of like Toyota's quality dropping the bigger they get, the Chinese are more concerned with exporting than they are with the safety of their products. "It can be said that the quality of China's exports all are guaranteed," Wang told reporters at a regularly scheduled briefing. Frankly, what the hell does that mean, coming from the mouth of this guy?


Night Wolf
06-28-07, 02:08 PM
China IS growing fast... but the truth is, its not as cool as Paris Hilton getting out of jail again, so its not on the news... most people don't even know about it, or don't care. When in turn they pollute more then us and all that, yet the world still turns to the USA as the country that dosn't care about anyone else....

06-28-07, 02:14 PM
Night Wolf-

Well said, pathetic though it may be. Did you see the New York Post's remarks about Paris - they characterized her as a directionless, thoughtless, brainless, pantyless skank (not sure if all those were the exact adjectives used, but you get the idea). Heh, at least she isn't penniless.

Finally some truthful, unbiased reporting!

Now, before I unwittingly thread jack our China-bashing fun, back to our regular programming...


06-28-07, 02:18 PM
A more appropriate title for this thread might be "Wanna keep buying shit from Wal-Mart?"

You can blame Wal-Mart for the unstoppable explosion of Chinese made goods into this country. The mentality of more and more for less demands that the supply come from the lowest and lowest bidder. Increasingly, the lowest bidder for everything from TV's to food (which is incredible we source from there) to cars is becoming China. Then add in the strongarm tactics Wal-Mart and friends use to squeeze every last penny out of the manufacturing process, and the already tainted world view of the U.S. in much of the world, and you dont end up with much. China is even undercutting Korea, who has made strides in quality and brand awareness over the past 10 years (LG, Hyundai, Samsung etc). Korea in turn has no choice but to have THEIR products manufactured in China as well...

Bottom line... you get what you pay for.

06-28-07, 04:50 PM
People would rather save $.20 and buy crap. The problem with Wal-Mart is that everyone shops there because it's easy, they have everything, and they think they're saving money. Ever buy any food from Wal-Mart? There's a reason those oranges are half the price of the grocery store, they go bad in a day.


06-28-07, 05:17 PM
I don't see what the problem is with toothpaste in prison found being bad. If there's ever a place for it prison is definately the place for it

06-28-07, 05:21 PM
I don't see what the problem is with toothpaste in prison found being bad. If there's ever a place for it prison is definately the place for it


06-28-07, 08:39 PM
I don't see what the problem is with toothpaste in prison found being bad. If there's ever a place for it prison is definately the place for it

Sadly....the same thought occured to me. :confused:

06-28-07, 09:18 PM
Sadly....the same thought occured to me. :confused:

It did to me as well. Prison, give em the toothpaste.

China is getting F-ing HUGE! They say there demand for vehicles will exceed that of the US in the next few years.
Just look at the engineering and man power that went into the Gorges Damn.
If they pull togther like that often they are going to be a serious power and economic source to rekon with, infact it has already started.

06-29-07, 12:49 AM
I love the enthusiasm but take it off the forum and to the streets everyone talks but no one acts, it's actually to late all of this countries man power is gone, the big three are circling the drain in true nascar fashion, and everyone is willfully ignorant about the true facts as the media shoves loads down peoples throats to buy a new I-phones or PS3's now i bet you 99% of the components for everything everyone uses on a daily basis isn't even made in this country/continent. open up your cellphone pull out the battery look inside i'll bet you it says made in an asian country on it, with assembled in mexico or china. AC Delco has been making parts in mexico for as long as I can remember at this moment, half my cadillac was probably made somewhere else and it was made in Detroit in 1996. It's called Outsourcing in corporations and Nationalization on a world scale. If you'd like to see something scary look at India they make EVERYTHING and do nearly all tech support, except microsoft whos tech support is in Canada. Take Cisco systems a massive USA based Corporation that makes telephony, internet and many other systems for communication they are no longer based in the US they're in oops India now. I guess the point im trying to make is that we where already sold out by old men in business suits it's to late the only way to survive in this new world economy would be to simply create a similar system to the euro and go United Americas (UA) much as europe did with the European Union or EU. But if we do this we'll have bible thumpers screaming It's THE END OF THE WORLD faster than you can say America. So tell everyone you know UA or no more USA :thumbsup: .

06-29-07, 03:31 AM
Hey, our labor could be cheap like China's too... All we have to do is tell the workforce "You're going to work for "x" amount of hours for "y" amount of dollars. If you don't, we're going to kill your family."

It works there, why not here?

06-29-07, 03:32 AM
And, on another note...I don't think I like whitesoldat.

Nothing personal.

06-29-07, 08:04 AM
And, on another note...I don't think I like whitesoldat.

Nothing personal.

Yeah. I hate poor sentence structure. :)
He's right though. From the executives who say they have to produce widgets as cheaply as possible to the consumer that wants the lowest price, we've all contributed to the current outsourcing situation.


06-29-07, 09:18 AM
I hate to say it but the average American is a cheap bastard who wants to save nickels and dimes and has become satisfied with buying crap. We have only ourselves to blame. Walmart is probably the worst thing to happen to the US since the civil war.

06-29-07, 01:21 PM
Yeah. I hate poor sentence structure. :)

I was referring to
"So tell everyone you know UA or no more USA :thumbsup: ."

06-29-07, 02:23 PM
See if this doesn't piss you off.


06-30-07, 09:52 AM
O geezus crispies!!!! Not the Wal-Mart - China - monopoly argument again...

I need to head out to *insert empire-like store here* and buy some dental hygiene products.