: Power Steering Fluid Change...



thebigjimsho
06-10-07, 10:03 PM
Alright guys, my power steering fluid is probably shot. I was getting the groan at lower temps, but it seems to happen more often when it's not really that cold. After my last autocross, it seemed to get worse. The FAQ doesn't have the changing procedure as far as I can tell.

Any info and advice on this would be of great help.

nikon
06-10-07, 10:21 PM
suck it out and refill it...that's all I've ever done...as for flushing the system, got me.

C66 Racing
06-10-07, 10:40 PM
I've used the suck it out and refill it option on my Z06 power steering and clutch fluid for years.

I'd suck it out and refill, drive it for a day or so and repeat. You'll likely have the majority of the old fluid out at that point.

thebigjimsho
06-10-07, 10:40 PM
suck it out and refill it...that's all I've ever done...as for flushing the system, got me.Feffman, in another thread, was talking about either sucking it out or getting under the car and draining it. As for sucking it out, any specific pump you use?

Feffman
06-11-07, 12:04 AM
Be careful how you refer to Feffman "sucking it out"! Damn a guy could get a reputaion around here. :)

I use one of those little hand vacum pumps to remove the fluid from the power steering reservoir, refil it, drive it around for a while then remove all the fluid fro the reservoir again. After about 2-3 times, it's all pretty new.

Feff
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thebigjimsho
06-11-07, 12:07 AM
And what type of fluid is that again? Preferably Red Line...

ewill3rd
06-11-07, 07:01 AM
Here is what I do, anyone can do it but it is kind of tricky, or you'll make a mess.

If you can get as much fluid out of the reservoir as possible to start, find a way to get it out.

On the side of the power steering reservoir there is a return hose with a spring clamp on it, put some rags under it so you don't get fluid everywhere and pull the small line off. Now you have to find some way to connect a small pipe or hose to that and a jug of some sort.
The idea is to extend that return hose into a container to catch the fluid.
Next find something to plug off the nipple on the reservoir.
As funny as it sounds, if I can't find something I use a chunk of a latex glove and a rubber band.
Once you get set up all you need is your fluid and an assistant.

Raise the front wheels off the floor and have someone get in the car.
Fill the reservoir with whatever fluid you like and have your assistant start turning the steering wheel from lock to lock WITHOUT starting the engine (OFF).
The rack and pinion will act as a pump and push the fluid through into your jug, all you have to do is keep some fluid in the reservoir so you don't pump air into the system.
Just keep doing that until you see clean fluid coming out of the return line into your jug, and maybe a couple times after that just to be sure ;)

Then suck the fluid back out of the reservoir, remove the cap, reinstall the hose, clean up any spillage and top off the fluid, put the car back on the ground and go driving.

It can be a pain at first, but I have seen fluid changes really quiet down some of these when they get noisy.
I just use a can of brake clean to wash everything off but you can just use a light application of degreaser and wash it off with a hose (preferably not in your flower beds)

nikon
06-11-07, 09:12 AM
^^thanks for the tip.

thebigjimsho
06-11-07, 09:28 AM
Good stuff. Thanks ewill. I'll probably do that later this month but do the quick suck and blow in the meantime. Yeah, have fun with that one guys...

lonestranger
06-11-07, 01:48 PM
Ya, a guick suck and blow will always help you get through until you have more time to devote! (with or without wine and candles!!:bouncy: )Enjoy!!:rolleyes:

MescalVto
06-11-07, 03:51 PM
Ya know, you can get the dealer to do that fluid swap for free due to the TSB . . .

nikon
06-11-07, 05:17 PM
^^ you really think they're gonna flush it properly for what warranty pays for that? HA!

ewill3rd
06-11-07, 06:06 PM
Actually I think the warranty pays pretty good to do it.
Some places won't do the flush for the TSB unless they can get it to act up.

Some places you'd be better of not having them do it ;) (if you know what I mean)

heavypedal
06-12-07, 11:19 AM
The two power steering fluids that are recommended are Redline Power Steering Fluid and Royal Purple MaxEZ. I am going to roll with the Redline since it seems to be better documented and seem to put up with more abuse.

http://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/8.pdf

http://www.royalpurple.com/prodsa/meza.html

T

heavypedal
06-12-07, 11:22 AM
Question is....will the dealer put Redline in for us vs. whatever the dealer uses?
Ewill...any comments on what you guys use at the dealer and your feeling on whether other dealers will put Redline power steering fluid in the car (that is, if we purchase it)?

T

MescalVto
06-12-07, 11:40 AM
Some places you'd be better of not having them do it ;) (if you know what I mean):thumbsup:

Well, I do know exactly what you mean as while this dealer does generally provide good service; I saw smoke coming from under my hood periodically for two days after the flush, likely due to the mess left:tisk:

ewill3rd
06-12-07, 11:53 AM
James might be better suited to answer as to what our policy would be.
As a tech I can see GM not wanting me to flush it with anything but GM fluid, cold climate or the regular stuff.

I wouldn't have a problem doing it but GM would probably want me to charge you to do something like that.

Again, James is the real policy maker around here ;)

heavypedal
06-12-07, 05:43 PM
roger Roger. Had to ask for convenience sake.

T

calicadi
06-13-07, 12:19 AM
Hey, thanks, e! Reed...You snoopin' out there? Could be an FAQ entry.

ewill3rd
06-13-07, 06:38 AM
We have a "flushing machine" but it is kind of weird.
It has two nozzles, one above the other. One puts fluid into the reservoir and the other sucks it out. You are supposed to have an assistant turn the wheel with the engine running while you hold it in the reservoir and use a lever to control the flow rate to keep fluid in the system. It does an okay job but the reservoir on the V is too small for it to work effectively.
The method I listed above is the best one I have found.
It is how we bleed systems before we start them up after power steering system service and it actually works quite well.

alpicone
11-13-13, 02:50 PM
So after doing some searching seems like this is a common issue once the cold temps hit. Got off the train last night with the temp at around 35F... started my car and was not happy. :( Little bit of reading here tells me the first thing to do is flush the power steering fluid.

Since I won't have time until the weekend I am going to try the turkey baster method tonight and see if that helps. Does anyone know how much fluid I need for the TB method? What about for a complete flush?

thebigjimsho
11-13-13, 04:48 PM
I think just 1 1 liter bottle...

alpicone
11-14-13, 12:16 AM
I think just 1 1 liter bottle...
Bought one bottle of power steering fluid and swapped old the old fluid using the turkey baster method. Swapped the whole bottle and I didn't get all the old fluid out. Must be a lot more that 1 liter.

The old fluid was pretty dirty. Going to drive around a few more days and do a proper flush over the weekend.

thebigjimsho
11-14-13, 03:03 AM
With that method you'll never get it all out. But it should serve you almost as well as a flush. You've done some good already, anyway...

JFensty
11-14-13, 11:02 AM
I disconnected the return hose on the cooler and flushed a gallon through. Re connected hose and then topped off with another quart. You will need a helper for this process to start and shut the car off as to not let the pump run dry. It took all of thirty minutes and cleans the cooler as well

odla
01-20-14, 04:39 PM
So if i was going to flush it how many quarts should i have? Need to order some up today if possible.

Thanks

darkman
01-20-14, 04:47 PM
Two quarts should cover a flush, although I like to have 3 on hand in case I knock one over or something.

odla
01-20-14, 04:51 PM
Ok thanks.

Good to see you back.

fweasel
01-20-14, 06:30 PM
although I like to have 3 on hand in case I knock one over or something.been there :lol:

lollygagger8
01-21-14, 04:47 PM
Wait a minute....people drive their V's in the winter?

odla
01-21-14, 04:51 PM
Hey just cause temps hit low 70 deg doesn't mean work stops. Sure I should stay home and out of the cold but got to get the money.

fweasel
01-21-14, 05:52 PM
Hey just cause temps hit low 70 deg doesn't mean work stops. Sure I should stay home and out of the cold but got to get the money.:lol: -4* this morning, didn't even bother to look at what the wind chill was when I was shoveling out the V and driveway this morning.