I saw some pretty good early discounts available here for a 2008 CTS, but I want a 2009 CTS-V. I already have a deposit at my local dealer at MSRP, but am looking to save some $$$.

What happened to this thread:confused:

What would you have go here right now ? More speculative articles on what the 09 V does or does not have, how it will perform, what color the brake calibers will be, etc ? We must have new material to post new material. Until then it's pop-tart nav :D

Yummy, pop tarts.

We need January to come.......right now.

I like pop-tarts... Hmmmmmm;)

This is the only thread in the V forum with any semblance of entertainment, and it is half-witted at best. That is why I hang out in the CTS forum for now. The kids are dumb, but funny.

This is the only thread in the V forum with any semblance of entertainment, and it is half-witted at best. That is why I hang out in the CTS forum for now. The kids are dumb, but funny.

Funny ha-ha or funny queer?

-Chris

both

This is the only thread in the V forum with any semblance of entertainment, and it is half-witted at best. That is why I hang out in the CTS forum for now. The kids are dumb, but funny.
I found it pretty entertaining. A bit rough on them though.

I just like watching SD, Tony, Koz and X do their thing.

I can guarantee you our first 2009 CTS-V with a deposit. Once the ordering system is up, I'll order the exact color and options you want and hold the car until you come in. $1,000 off MSRP, whatever that turns out to be. If the car or the price is unacceptable, I'll refund the deposit in full. I'm only a few hours away from you in Leesburg, so there's no need for shipping.

See how easy I am? :D Thanks for the opportunity, and feel free to call any time.

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oh dear lord

new av

new avNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

new av
Trying to liven things up a bit are we?

How could you do this...

new av


Hmmm, goatse fun is goatse fun and all, but you guys are a little obsessed with it. :eek:

That's what makes it fun!

What in the wide world of sports is going on?

pop tart anus

Anyone can post drivel.

5 x 5 to (16000000)^1/2 posts.

So glad that was censored. That appears to be some weathered wool.

oh my god i am dying laughing.

that is the funniest thing i have seen in ages.

Anyone can post drivel.

You did!

Anyone can post dremel.



http://www.ciws.net/images/dremelnav.jpg

Not bad.....Im done with Cadillac though. Im going back to Jeeps....thinking about getting a Grand Cherokee, doing a simple 3.5" lift and stuffing 33s in there. Should be a nice change.

Redneck.

News Flash - The 2009 V is not going to be God's gift to uber sedans.

Hey Stealth, how's the Sierra Denali? I was thinking about one of those...beautiful truck! Is that what you use to pull the sleds now? I can't wait for snow...I need to go play-cant wait! :sneaky:

The Denali simply rocks. The L92 with VVT combined with the 6-speed is sweet. Spun all four tires the other day on the 1-2 shift. :cowboy:

500 hp LS8 - Camaro Z28, Corvette Z06, G8 GXP, Impala SS
550 hp LSA - CTS-V
600 hp LS9 - Corvette ZR1

now they are talking about overpowered pickups

lets go back to talking about drivel (and dremels, they are pretty damn kewl)

500 hp LS8 - Camaro Z28, Corvette Z06, G8 GXP, Impala SS
550 hp LSA - CTS-V
600 hp LS9 - Corvette ZR1

:shhh:

My dealer says (not thinks) the 09 V will have a 525 HP LS7 with no supercharger. This decision was apparently made after Motor Trend stated that the 09 V would have a 600 HP supercharged LS7. This information might or might not be accurate, and it might or might not be new. I don't know.

It's not accurate.

(IBTM)

i havent been reading much about the 09v
what is the most accurate info on it

This thread is doomed.

Gosh, I hate rumors, but............................................... ..two different dealers have said the '09 will around 600 HP.......Is that even possible (stock, I mean)???????

Gosh, I hate rumors, but............................................... ..two different dealers have said the '09 will around 600 HP.......Is that even possible (stock, I mean)???????
I still believe in the high 500/low 600 range.

You guys will call me crazy, but I have faith in Bob Lutz.

Not that it will matter since I won't be able to afford one lol.

Not that it will matter since I won't be able to afford one lol.


Haha.. Same here.. But I wouldn't want to jump on the depreciation bandwagon too soon anyways! :D

I'm starting to save for a '10 Chesrown model...

I like Jon's faith.

Why dive in and spend all kinds of money on depreciation when I can just sink that money into Mod's on this V?

First Gen V Mod Hell > 550 hp 6.2L supercharged LSA

Oh yeah.....

Not that it will matter since I won't be able to afford one lol.

+1..

The square root of speed is the amount of broken parts divided by expendable income, multiplied by hours worked. The sum of that is inverted by the smile on your face with the first kill.

The square root of speed is the amount of broken parts divided by expendable income, multiplied by hours worked. The sum of that is inverted by the smile on your face with the first kill.

:yeah: :alchi: :thumbsup:

Tuner Math at it's best.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121130

Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121130

Not sure if this was posted yet.
No, and...
SANTA MONICA, Calif. — Despite various rumors of a supercharged V8 under the hood, the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=109332) will use a normally aspirated 7.0-liter V8 when it goes on sale in 2008.

New pictures (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120994) of the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V surfaced recently and as usual, they were accompanied by a flood of speculation about what lies under the hood. Most of that rumor was fueled by the hood itself, as it was sporting a rather large bulge that seemed to indicate the presence of a supercharger.

One popular theory says that bulge is hiding a supercharged version of the 430-horsepower LS3 used in the 2008 Corvette (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/FVDP/Preview/styleId=100727723). Another source claims the CTS-V will get an even more potent supercharged power plant with as much as 600 hp. That engine would be a detuned version of the nearly 700-hp blown LS7 slated for the $100,000-plus Corvette Z07 (http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2360), according to the same source.

According to our information, however, none of those rumors are true as the CTS-V won't be supercharged at all. Instead it will borrow the normally aspirated 7.0-liter LS7 from the current Corvette Z06.

With 505 hp and 470 pound-feet of torque, the LS7 should have more than enough grunt to get the roughly 3,800-pound CTS-V up to speed. Consider that Mercedes-Benz uses an engine with nearly identical specs in its 4,000-pound E63 AMG (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=120601), which is the quickest sedan we've ever tested.

Don't expect 700 horses from the Corvette Z07 either. It's more likely to show up with around 625 hp — enough to top the latest Viper without tearing the tires off the rims.

Expect to see the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V in dealers next year with a price tag significantly below its European counterparts.

What this means to you: Regardless of which rumor is true, the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V is guaranteed to have enough power to play with the big boys in the luxury super-sedan class.
... Pleeze, no.

The most important part of this article:

Date posted: 06-08-2007
This article was written before it was discovered that the internal codename for the CTS-V is GMX322 V S/C, and before Motor Trend published this same info, then retracted it. We've been down this road already (somewhere in this thread, anyway...): Hand built LS7 is too expensive and already maxed out in terms of cylinder bore. The SC LS3/LSA leaves room for bumps in power via boost upgrades or overbores for future models should MB or BMW raise the stakes.

Count on a Supercharger, kiddies.

i got a complaint that having only one 09 V thread "buried" "real information" amongst all the spam.

however, as so clearly pointed out above, people are STILL posting articles from 4 months ago causing the SAME discussions to recurr.
there is no confirmed anything, its all speculation and until there is something of substance, determined by me based on posted information, all this CRAP stays here.

... all this CRAP stays here.


Good Call Urb :thumbsup:

So, it's possible that my brother and I may decide to attend the Detroit Intl Auto Show. I'd like to be there in person for the unveiling of the V and we've always wanted to go to one of the big shows and this may be the one. So has anyone thought of making a meet type event for this?

i got a complaint that having only one 09 V thread "buried" "real information" amongst all the spam

:rofl:

Good point. They had a pre-event gathering for the intro to the C6 that was right before the show opened the first day. Probably had 50 people there that I'd doubt the V would draw. If we could out something together and invite some other target audience owners I'd net we could make it worth while. :)


Norm

So, it's possible that my brother and I may decide to attend the Detroit Intl Auto Show. I'd like to be there in person for the unveiling of the V and we've always wanted to go to one of the big shows and this may be the one. So has anyone thought of making a meet type event for this?

I spent the day today at Laguna Seca with the Cadillac Marketing Team. Lawson Aushenbach, Andy Pilgrim, Ron Fellows etc were there after their qualifying run for tomorrows final race of the year and we started talking about the V. I asked what was up for next year and what was up for the 09 consumer V. At that point I was introduced to one of the head marketing guys so I asked point blank what will be offered in 09.

He answered point blank:
New diff
Manual and Automatic Transmission (shift paddles) will be offered
275's all the way around
Supercharged (I didnt ask if it was going to be a LSx magi or a Northstar)
My bad I will try to find out tomorrow.

IMHO he and others standing there who also confirmed what was said were telling the absolute truth. I said I thought most enthusiasts would probably want naturally asperated he said to late its all etched in stone.

So now you know. Who knows for all I know this is old news I have not kept up on all the threads lately.

True story!!!

rgd~out

II said I thought most enthusiasts would probably want naturally asperated...

If you had a supercharged LS6, you wouldn't say that. :spin:

I'm hearing 600 + HP......let's hope.

If you had a supercharged LS6, you wouldn't say that. :spin::yeah:

I swear, anyone who says they'd rather have a NA anything ought to drive a maggied, LS6 V ... just once. It feels like a big block re torque and as far as installation it simply bolts on ... no cracking-open-the-motor stuff. It's pure :cloud9:!

I believe in the best of both worlds,

Crack open the motor THEN Maggie, oh one can :cloud9:

:yeah:

I swear, anyone who says they'd rather have a NA anything ought to drive a maggied, LS6 V ... just once. It feels like a big block re torque and as far as installation it simply bolts on ... no cracking-open-the-motor stuff. It's pure :cloud9:!

Anyone who says that, should drive a NA 427 with a wicked cam and headwork. :lildevil:

I agree with RGD, I can't see any enthusiast giving up displacement for a SC.
Displacement 1st, then add SC if needed.
That's assuming we had the choice.
We are just at the mercy of GM.

Anyone who says that, should drive a NA 427 with a wicked cam and headwork. :lildevil:

I agree with RGD, I can't see any enthusiast giving up displacement for a SC.
Displacement 1st, then add SC if needed.
Can't wait to see you run that beast next month...

Pfft. You go N/A, you have minimal problems. You go Maggie, there's alwasy things to worry about. I'd love the thrill but I'm not wasting my time on fixing the damn thing...

Pfft. You go N/A, you have minimal problems. You go Maggie, there's alwasy things to worry about. I'd love the thrill but I'm not wasting my time on fixing the damn thing...

Your just scared..:histeric:

Displacement 1st, then add SC if needed.
Since were straying a bit off subject, here's displacement with the needed SC added

If that were only real, I would trade up!

If that were only real, I would trade up!
It's real. I took the pics. Kinda tight quarters in the dyno room. Way outa my $$ range

I'd love the thrill but I'm not wasting my time on fixing the damn thing...

The only thing I've had to fix is working the bugs out of my own custom stuff. Just like anything else on this forum, the people with problems overpower the people that are happy with ____.

With the '09, you'll get displacement and a blower. Waiting for CVP to complain about it next year...

If your not in control of this beast who is?

It's real. I took the pics. Kinda tight quarters in the dyno room. Way outa my $$ range
So that's the 09 engine getting tested in a 1st gen V?
:bonkers:

That is the king of Mod Hell right there. :worship:
I'm glad to see he was wise enough to invest in full-race Brembo calipers to stop that beast.

jimmyh=happy with _____.

The only thing I've had to fix is working the bugs out of my own custom stuff. Just like anything else on this forum, the people with problems overpower the people that are happy with ____.:yeah:


I'm at 2k+ miles on my maggie with one minor issue which 'tis now history.

... but, then again ... :shhh: ... the secret is I'm runnin' sans Magnavolt, too. :yup:

Pfft. You go N/A, you have minimal problems. You go Maggie, there's alwasy things to worry about. I'd love the thrill but I'm not wasting my time on fixing the damn thing...

Just throwing this out there. I have had no problems so far with my blown STS-V, I couldn't say that about my NA 06 CTS-V. I'm not babying this thing either, with an average mpg of about 12.5 you can see I run her hard. Not one single mechanical problem in 10,000 miles.

Again, let me state for the 1,000,000th time. Blown LSA motor coming in just over 500 hp and under 60k. Book it Dano.

BTW,

I was talking with the Marketing Manger for the CTS and he said that they came in at or lower then the previous year sell price for the base CTS and couldn't see any reason why the V wouldn't be the same. Man, I sure hope he wasn't pulling my leg.

If he is telling the truth you might be looking at a $50 to $55K Price tag. This may convert more then just a couple people to going for the 09.

Also he said they were going for new customers and would not do much for loyalty. Had to ask but still didn't like the answer.

Soooo Cadillac Tony, have they told you what the base price would be for the new V???

Sure, Cadillac aims for the Germans but power and price end up competing with SRT in the end. Any news on SRT 300C?

Funny how the blue devil is rumored to have 600hp super charged for $100K a year ago. Dodge pumps up displacement on the Viper and funds 600hp for under $80K. Now blue devil has a rumored 625hp. GM can't afford to be a winner, but just a player as they have done in the past.

I'd watch SRT as a bench mark. Even though they don't have Mercedes underpinnings to fall on.

Norm

Just throwing this out there. I have had no problems so far with my blown STS-V, I couldn't say that about my NA 06 CTS-V. I'm not babying this thing either, with an average mpg of about 12.5 you can see I run her hard. Not one single mechanical problem in 10,000 miles.

Again, let me state for the 1,000,000th time. Blown LSA motor coming in just over 500 hp and under 60k. Book it Dano.Nah, I think a blower done right from the factory is fine and dependable. But to mod a N/A motor with FI is what makes me nervous.

BTW,

...Also he said they were going for new customers and would not do much for loyalty. Had to ask but still didn't like the answer.

..

So whats up?
Is Cadillac getting all big headed over a car that has yet to prove it's demand in the market place, let alone even exists yet.

No loyalty rewards?
Old customers are not worth more than new customers?

I don't think GM will be able to handle BMW & MB customers, should they be lucky enough to sway any over.
If they think we are picky? :helpless:

So whats up?
Is Cadillac getting all big headed over a car that has yet to prove it's demand in the market place, let alone even exists yet.

No loyalty rewards?
Old customers are not worth more than new customers?

I don't think GM will be able to handle BMW & MB customers, should they be lucky enough to sway any over.
If they think we are picky? :helpless:
I feel the same way you do about this. I'm wondering if we should start a new thread then I will forward it to the CTS Manager and see if Cadillac will rethink their position on this.

Cadillac has plenty of Old customers, they need young customers.

Probably don't want to loose their old customers though. Bad enough some of you are starting to die off they should want to keep the one's that may buy a car or 2 in the near future.

I'm gonna buy a car in the next two years.

If GM don't want me, they can kiss my ___ goodbye.

I'm sure the new V will suck me in, I'm a sucker for cash, skinny women and HP.

What are you guys worried about. Just like any new, hotly anticipated car, the 09 CTS-V will be marked up by dealers for a coupleathree months (because the gotta-have-it-first folks will pay it), then it will get discounted just like any other car. Whether you are a current GM owner, or never owned one in your life, incentives, rebates etc be damned. You walk in there with bank-book in hand and they will sell you the car at their bottom line price.

Sure, Cadillac aims for the Germans but power and price end up competing with SRT in the end. Any news on SRT 300C?

Funny how the blue devil is rumored to have 600hp super charged for $100K a year ago. Dodge pumps up displacement on the Viper and funds 600hp for under $80K. Now blue devil has a rumored 625hp. GM can't afford to be a winner, but just a player as they have done in the past.

I'd watch SRT as a bench mark. Even though they don't have Mercedes underpinnings to fall on.

Norm

I think you'll see Caddy take the lead here and then Chrysler will try to catch up. We know the basic drivetrain (rear diff and trans) is good for 500hp and 500tq due to Mercedes. We also know that the 6.1L can comfortably make 50 more HP with some tweaks, but probably not 500. The safe money has Chrysler going to a 6.4L to get to the competitive numbers, but who knows. All this could be on hold with Cerberus buying them, or it could've already been done and in the pipe line via Mercedes. Who knows.

If Caddy fixes the "issues" lot's of people will be paying attention. At the end of the day, all things being equal (quality, performance, etc.) no one would rather have a Chrysler vs. a Cadillac. Now if only I could fix my local dealers in the process. :banghead:

At the end of the day, all things being equal (quality, performance, etc.) no one would rather have a Chrysler vs. a Cadillac.

Bingo.

I don't agree, Chris. Cadillac meant nothing to me until this car. I have no brand loyalties and I suspect that most buyers feel the same way.

I don't agree, Chris. Cadillac meant nothing to me until this car. I have no brand loyalties and I suspect that most buyers feel the same way.
I guess it's different for different people.

I had a CTS and then got the CTS-V. Loved the car, loved the brand. Hell, I even put "BRK THRU" on my license plate.

I don't agree, Chris. Cadillac meant nothing to me until this car. I have no brand loyalties and I suspect that most buyers feel the same way.

I simply want the best bang for my buck, which ever brand offers that wins. If all things were close to equal between the M45 and the CTS-V, I would grab the Infiniti so I could once again receive the Royal Azz smooching they provide to their customers.

No loyalty here, but why should there be? GM (Corvette division excluded) doesn't treat it's customers all that well so why should I be loyal?

Cadillac and loyalty... It would have to be a 2 way street, they need to earn my loyalty. I say this 5 SDV's, 2 Eldo's and a CTS later.

Anyone catch this article on Autoblog, where someone from Cadillac says the next CTS-V is a year away? Looks to me the next V will be a late '09 arrival.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/23/cadillac-cts-v-race-car-goes-out-on-top/

So... no change.

WOW!!!

Anyone cathc this video of the ZR-1 Blue Devil? Check out that video. That car moves and I certainly hope the new V gets that motor.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/19/corvette-zr1-sighted-at-laguna-seca-but-not-unveiled/

Why did the asshat dub music over the video. I wanted to hear the engine.

I don't agree, Chris. Cadillac meant nothing to me until this car. I have no brand loyalties and I suspect that most buyers feel the same way.

Hmmm, well I have no brand loyalties either. But I'm not sure that's the point here. Chris basically said that were the cars equal, most people would prefer the Caddy over a Chrysler. I think he is referring to brand perception, cachet, whatever it is that makes people believe that Cadillac is a cut above. Maybe as simple as the expression "this is the CADILLAC of _____ "(fill in whatever here). The implication being of course that Cadillac is the pinnacle or the yardstick against which others are measured. OK. That was long-winded and of no use to anyone. ahaha


And I would DEFINITELY choose the Caddy. :alchi:

I'm not speaking for everyone but I didn't buy this car because it was a cadillac.

My criteria was:
Six speed manual (or it might have been a charger)
400 or more HP
IF 400 HP must have parts to mod it (The magic of the LS2)
Must handle well (Independent rear a plus)
Needed to be able to seat four (or it would have been a Vette)

Point to this is if they put 500 HP with a N* in the 09 I will probably go for either keep what I have or go for a Camaro or a Challenger (Dodge and I hate them!).

I want to be taken care of and if cadillac doesn't want to do this then I can get that attitude from any auto manufacturer.

I'll climb off my soap box now.

I want to be taken care of and if cadillac doesn't want to do this then I can get that attitude from any auto manufacturer.


Can I get an "amen." :highfive:

(but I have owned Chrysler products and never will again, lol)

I want to be taken care of and if cadillac doesn't want to do this then I can get that attitude from any auto manufacturer.


Definately agree with that, but at the same time I wouldn't not buy a product purely because of bad service dept. I'd just take it elsewhere to be serviced.

Definately agree with that, but at the same time I wouldn't not buy a product purely because of bad service dept. I'd just take it elsewhere to be serviced.
Agreed, The Dodge is still on the list even though I had technical problems with them.

Sooooo, that also means Caddy is still in it even though they have there problems as well.

It all comes down to what can you live with, there is no such thing as perfect.

Agreed, The Dodge is still on the list even though I had technical problems with them.

Sooooo, that also means Caddy is still in it even though they have there problems as well.

It all comes down to what can you live with, there is no such thing as perfect.
Your inbox is full :p

not anymore.

But it will be soon.

But it will be soon.
LOL. You must be very popular!

No, just lazy.

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:highfive: holy shit i just spent the last 10 minutes LMAO....thats some funny $hit and then the inspiration for the pumpkin...very twisted. Points! LOL, wow. I really dont know why that is so funny...it just is.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0707_2009_cadillac_cts_v/


Heres an article I just bumped into for the 09 CTS V. If the photo is accurate, I must say that the 08 font end is much nicer. But who knows if they are hiding the real front end until closer to production time.

Thought it might be of interest.

Old photochop estimate of what the magazine postulates the 09 front end might hypothetically look like.

The real deal looks way better than that old MT photoshop.

Waaaaaa??? You've seen it? I thought they cancelled.

They did, but I finally saw photos of the real deal, unmasked and everything. I was surprised at how much different it looks than a regular CTS (as opposed to the current gen, which is identical save for slightly different fascias).

They were adamant about no cell phone pics- still top secret. :)

i am going to kidnapp Tony and through some kind of electrical shock therapy hooked up to my A.C.M.E. super deluxe mind reading computer get those pictures from his head...

Tony, how about an email detailing what you saw in the photos. Thanks.

chillimd@comcast.net

Bill

They did, but I finally saw photos of the real deal, unmasked and everything. I was surprised at how much different it looks than a regular CTS (as opposed to the current gen, which is identical save for slightly different fascias).

They were adamant about no cell phone pics- still top secret. :)

But...you can trust US, Tony. :yup: :lildevil:

You can't trust me.

Hay Koop, ur pants are smouldering. :alchi:

Men in black are knocking on Tony's door right now... :wheelhop:

soooooooooooooooo, first time I seen this thread. Haven't been here regularly for a while.
And I don't really feel like going through all 137 pages...

The hump looks more like it is needed for the bad ass strut brace.

Good prospects on the engine. Makes interesting options for the 09 Camaro too.

I wish they would hurry up with something "officially leaked" or something.

I wish they would hurry up with something "officially leaked" or something.


After what happened with the Vette, I don't think your gonna get any offical info until at best Dec, with the car supposedly being shown in Jan.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Civilian-Who-Leaked-Corvette-SS-Blue-Devil-Images-is-ARRESTED-or-is-He-12839/

Come on, take one for the team Tony!

Hay Koop, ur pants are smouldering. :alchi:


Yeah, I'm hot, :flame:so hot I'm rated :pir8:!

i'll bet pratt would tell us...

They did, but I finally saw photos of the real deal, unmasked and everything. I was surprised at how much different it looks than a regular CTS (as opposed to the current gen, which is identical save for slightly different fascias).

They were adamant about no cell phone pics- still top secret. :)
That's one thing I was really curious about. I haven't seen a good side by side view but the 08 CTS looks just as sporty if not a little more than the V.

I was wondering how much they could improve on it to make the new V stand apart.

When exactly are they going on sale, next fall?

i've been told they'll be available in april/may time frame....pre-production parts are already in lansing.

B

i've been told they'll be available in april/may time frame
Hubba hubba!!

Okay, honestly: after careful consideration, and being that I'm an old guy, I'm thinking of taking the mature, reasoned approach and letting other early adopters buy the first model year V and discover all the problems. Then I can use my l33t analytical skillz to perform proper risk and cost/benefit assessments.

Maybe.

For sure: when I decide to buy, I'll have to figure out a way to buy from Tony even though he's on the other side of the world. Tony rocks!!

Or from Pratt... :lol:

I've been told they'll be available in April/may time frame....pre-production parts are already in Lansing.

B


I wouldn't expect availability until the 4th quarter of 08.

I am sure there are dealers that will take deposits after official showing in Jan (which is coming up pretty fast!).

I do expect a real teaser to occur shortly.

..the 08 CTS looks just as sporty if not a little more than the V. ...

Sporty?
Perhaps you mean "older" than the V.
I suppose we all have to grow up sometime. :rolleyes:

Hubba hubba!!

Okay, honestly: after careful consideration, and being that I'm an old guy, I'm thinking of taking the mature, reasoned approach and letting other early adopters buy the first model year V and discover all the problems. Then I can use my l33t analytical skillz to perform proper risk and cost/benefit assessments.

Maybe.

For sure: when I decide to buy, I'll have to figure out a way to buy from Tony even though he's on the other side of the world. Tony rocks!!

Or from Pratt... :lol:
I may be one of those that's lets everyone know what to look out for and what you're missing. If it looks right in January, my deposit will be in. As long as I have a warranty I'm not too worried. I have an early production 04 already and a very good service department.

may 42nd

may 42nd
Sorry for being a retard but what do you mean Urb?

Hey Rob!

How many days in a month?

Urbs sure got you!

Sorry for being a retard but what do you mean Urb?

^^ hangs out in morgan hill :lol:

I may be one of those that's lets everyone know what to look out for and what you're missing. If it looks right in January, my deposit will be in. As long as I have a warranty I'm not too worried. I have an early production 04 already and a very good service department.

I have my deposit in already to be the first production slot at my dealer.

My wife wants me to get an M6 or an Aston Martin. I am holding out for the unveiling of the next gen V. There's something intangible that I just like about this car.

However, if it is not blow-your-socks-off cool, then I'll withdraw.

However, if it is not blow-your-socks-off cool, then I'll withdraw.
You... no. I'll just leave that one hanging there. :lol:

Judging by the test results on Car and Driver for the new M3, C63, and IS-F, the new V should be mighty quick if we are to believe Lutz' claims. The C63 is a sub 4 second 0-60, and even the IS-F is showing a 114 trap speed on the QM. It looks as though the M3 will be the slowest one. A CTS-V thaat can achieve a sub 4 second 0-60 and a mid 12 second QM for less than 60K will be a big hit for Caddy, as long as other issues such as Wheel Hop have been properly addressed in the new car. I can't wait to see it!

C63 is not a sub-4 0-60 car; it's just a hair faster than our current CTS-V. 3,800 pounds, 450 hp, 443 lb-ft. A very good MB sport auto.

If the new CTS-V is really over 4,000 pounds, then even with over 525 hp it'll be hard to beat a C63 in a sprint. Much less stage a "blowing off of doors."

C63 is not a sub-4 0-60 car; it's just a hair faster than our current CTS-V. 3,800 pounds, 450 hp, 443 lb-ft. A very good MB sport auto.

If the new CTS-V is really over 4,000 pounds, then even with over 525 hp it'll be hard to beat a C63 in a sprint. Much less stage a "blowing off of doors."Somebody, somewhere on this forum posted a new C&D comparo. The M3 was much lighter than originally thought and the C63 was close to 4000 lbs. But it did rip a 3.9 0-60 time.

C&D results: C63 0-60 3.9 seconds, QM 12.3 at 116, this was just posted on the C&D website. It's awful fast and you are right, the CTS-V will need at least 600 hp to dominante, especially with the weight issue.

Whoa, I didn't see that. My apologies.

Whoa, I didn't see that. My apologies.Shouldn't you say something like, "By a preponderance of the evidence that has been brought before me at this time..."?

lol

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Screw Mercedes.

Screw BMW.

Screw Car&Driver

Screw Road&Track

Screw MotorTrend.

F**k 'em all.

CTS-V rules all.

Yes, I too love wheel-hop, whiny rear ends, broken sail panels and a sunroof that rattles.

I am still trying to figure out where this supposed sail panel is on the CTS that everyone is bellyaching about.

I'm hoping against hope that they've managed to manage the wheel hop issue when engineering the new V. It will be one of the criteria I'll evaluate prior to purchasing one.

Yes, before anyone once again brings it up, I know that all really powerful cars can suffer to a greater or lesser extent from axle tramp. But, that said... Gaah! Our V cars hop so much, there should be bunny ears above the A-pillar.

I am still trying to figure out where this supposed sail panel is on the CTS that everyone is bellyaching about.If your wife would let you roll down the windows and drive over 60mph, maybe you'd find out...

If your wife would let you roll down the windows and drive over 60mph, maybe you'd find out...

it isn't my wife, traffic wont let me get above 60 (I kid you not, every time I drive the V to work, traffic manages to find a new all time congestion high) and I keep the windows up so I dont cough on all the diesel soot

I'm hoping against hope that they've managed to manage the wheel hop issue when engineering the new V. It will be one of the criteria I'll evaluate prior to purchasing one.

Yes, before anyone once again brings it up, I know that all really powerful cars can suffer to a greater or lesser extent from axle tramp. But, that said... Gaah! Our V cars hop so much, there should be bunny ears above the A-pillar.

Axle Tramp?

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it isn't my wife, traffic wont let me get above 60 (I kid you not, every time I drive the V to work, traffic manages to find a new all time congestion high) and I keep the windows up so I dont cough on all the diesel soot

MOVE!

He wants to move, and fast, but he can't. Did you miss the part about the congestion?

dont think I havent thought about it. I am a college dropout who is a plant manager making pretty decent money. If I move, that means finding a new job, and fate doesnt smile on guys like me twice.

He wants to move, and fast, but he can't. Did you miss the part about the congestion?

LA, you should know more about congestion than me (ah, the 405 :banghead:)

If your wife would let you roll down the windows and drive over 60mph, maybe you'd find out...

From May - October, I always drive with the windows down. On occasion, I've been know to exceed the speed limit (:shhh:).

I still have no idea what a sail pannel is. I haven;t had any issues with this in 59k miles.

I can say I'm very glad I didn't get a sunroof though :D

-Chris

Last week it took me 2.5 hours to get from Corona to LAX because the 241 toll road to Orange County was closed by the Santiago fire. 2.0 hours to go halfway; 0.5 hours to go the other half. I made my plane with 10 minutes to spare before blast-off time.

This morning I left a half hour earlier, just in case. No traffic issues; got to the airport nice and early. And... my plane is delayed. :lol:

I'm not sure what, in our car, a "sail panel" is either. Maybe the piece that covers the inside of the C-pillar? They tend to come off pretty easily.

Last time I was in LA, it took us 3 hours to go like 50 miles or so. Most of that 3 hours was on the 405. Mid-day.

The first time in my life I was happy to return to Chicagoland traffic. At least we get a mid-day break.

I'm not sure what, in our car, a "sail panel" is either. Maybe the piece that covers the inside of the C-pillar? They tend to come off pretty easily.

Oh yeah, ok I remember now. That is what they are referring to. A guy at a meet was telling me about his.

Sail-panel, in this case then, is a misnomer. Sail panels are actually from the old days; they were common back in the days before unitized-body construction when some cars used "hard tops." The were a triangular shaped piece almost like rear fins, but facing forward, sitting on top of the rear fender attached to rear C-pillar. They looked like sails. Hence the name. I am not sure why they would use that name for interior pieces. I believe the technical name would be "C-pillar Interior Finisher."

Oh yeah, ok I remember now. That is what they are referring to. A guy at a meet was telling me about his.

Sail-panel, in this case then, is a misnomer. Sail panels are actually from the old days; they were common back in the days before unitized-body construction when some cars used "hard tops." The were a triangular shaped piece almost like rear fins, but facing forward, sitting on top of the rear fender attached to rear C-pillar. They looked like sails. Hence the name. I am not sure why they would use that name for interior pieces. I believe the technical name would be "C-pillar Interior Finisher."Whatever you say, Mr. Wikipedia...

Don't get me started on Wikipedia (garbage in, garbage out)

I still have no idea what a sail pannel is. I haven;t had any issues with this in 59k miles.

Go faster.

Go faster.

....

^^ Funny...

In before the Lock!

^^ Funny...

In before the Lock!This is a no-lock zone!

You don't think Urb would lock the thread that he transfers all of the 09 stuff into? Would be kind of funny though.

naw no lock til definite proof!

i have super double secret probation pictures of the 09 V


























http://www.ciws.info/vbadger.jpg

Cadillac CTS Sport: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123202

Cadillac CTS Sport: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123202Right...let's turn to SEMA...

Under the hood is a...big-bore...injection...package

what?

They said "package"

Did CadillacTony really see the new V? If he did, we might consider a midnight visit to discuss things.

They did, but I finally saw photos of the real deal, unmasked and everything. I was surprised at how much different it looks than a regular CTS (as opposed to the current gen, which is identical save for slightly different fascias).

They were adamant about no cell phone pics- still top secret. :)

Come on. You gotta give us something. You can PM me and I'll leak it for you.

"Patience is a virtue."

-- Attila the Hun

Come on Tony, give us somthin here. Please?????

Cadillac CTS Sport: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123202

I thought Edmunds was sticking to their N/A LS7 story. In this one, they mention s/c V8.

I hope the V does not get that hood. That'll send me to an M6 all on its own.

I thought Edmunds was sticking to their N/A LS7 story. In this one, they mention s/c V8.

I hope the V does not get that hood. That'll send me to an M6 all on its own.

ooh yeah, the M6, now that car, the convertible, has ACTUAL sail panels...

Go faster.
YaYa, go eat a Pop Tart.

I'm the first one to say that I've had my share of issues with this car, but the sail panel one I haven't had.

I daily drive my car 40 miles each way to work on rt 95. I average about 85 mph. I always have the windows down from May - Oct. 59k miles. No wind issues. I Don't have a sun roof though, so maybe that has something to do with this ?? Perhaps it causes the wind currents to be significantly different, as to pull the sail panels away? Food for thought (and not a pop tart.)

-Chris

Interesting article pertaining to the future of GM performance V8's including the CTS-V for those interested....

http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detailed-look-at-gms-ls-motor-plans.html

YaYa, go eat a Pop Tart.

I'm the first one to say that I've had my share of issues with this car, but the sail panel one I haven't had.

I daily drive my car 40 miles each way to work on rt 95. I average about 85 mph. I always have the windows down from May - Oct. 59k miles. No wind issues. I Don't have a sun roof though, so maybe that has something to do with this ?? Perhaps it causes the wind currents to be significantly different, as to pull the sail panels away? Food for thought (and not a pop tart.)

-Chris

Yeah, the sunroof is the culprit for that and more!

How many of the blown differential cars had a sunroof?

>Never replaced the sail panel or a rear end...

Coincidence? I think not, my car doesn't have a hole in the roof.

The CTS Sport is a "concept" vehicle, which is oftentimes used as a litmus test for styling cues on a future production model.

My advice? Once you see the actual photos from SEMA (not the Photoshops linked to here) write GM with your feelings on the hood, CF grill, Fender vents and rear diffuser (under the fascia) if you don't want to see them on the 2009 V.

I'm just sayin'........

it would be interesting to see a riced-out as **** 09 V, even with 600HP. I'd imagine there would be a massive surge in demand for our "old style".

Yeah, the sunroof is the culprit for that and more!

How many of the blown differential cars had a sunroof?

>Never replaced the sail panel or a rear end...

Coincidence? I think not, my car doesn't have a hole in the roof.

I never put it together. My differential grenaded, and the front suspension dropped out as well. Tires burned up at 8k miles, had the nav replaced for peeling buttons a few times. Gas mileage sucks under hard acceleration.

And........... I have a sunroof.

And........... on the '09, I'll have bigger sunroof (if it's like the base). For the 3 days a year it's not too hot to have it open, it's a nice add.

The CTS Sport is a "concept" vehicle, which is oftentimes used as a litmus test for styling cues on a future production model.

My advice? Once you see the actual photos from SEMA (not the Photoshops linked to here) write GM with your feelings on the hood, CF grill, Fender vents and rear diffuser (under the fascia) if you don't want to see them on the 2009 V.

I'm just sayin'........

That is an aftermarket package like VTXi isnt it? That is how I interpreted it. Why else would they should it at SEMA?

I am sure the V will be completely different.

It's definitely not just for aftermarket companies anymore. Due to its popularity, a lot of manufacturers show factory souped cars at SEMA now.

Don't count on the yellow calipers of blingtastic wheels to make production (ever), but there's a long history of GM showing vehicles like the G6 GXP Street at SEMA and having it arrive in showrooms a year later with minor changes.

I average about 85 mph. Perhaps it causes the wind currents to be significantly different, as to pull the sail panels away?

Go faster; with the windows down, 150 will be enough to free the sail panels from their pesky mounts.

it would be interesting to see a riced-out as **** 09 V, even with 600HP. I'd imagine there would be a massive surge in demand for our "old style".

Is this rice enough?

:2fast:

Is this rice enough?

no
small wing
u haev a small wing :teehee:

I'll put some 12000k HID's in the fogs and high beams...

You'll be a hit in the CTS Forum! :lol:

stEp uP Yo Game, foo!

Oh I have so many ideas to taunt those guys, just have not gotten around to them yet.

The CTS Sport is a "concept" vehicle, which is oftentimes used as a litmus test for styling cues on a future production model.

My advice? Once you see the actual photos from SEMA (not the Photoshops linked to here) write GM with your feelings on the hood, CF grill, Fender vents and rear diffuser (under the fascia) if you don't want to see them on the 2009 V.

I'm just sayin'........

Real pictures -> http://jalopnik.com/cars/sema/sema-2007-cadillac-cts-sport-concept-now-with-live-photos-316800.php

I'm not sure why but I think it looks more like the current CTS than the regular 2008 CTS does. Anyway, i don't like it; I prefer the more sleeper look to our current V. Tony, please say it ain't so this hood will be on the new V.

who exactly do you email about such a thing?

there's too much wrong with that sport model to even go into.

Great, the SEMA CTS Sport concept has the pop-tart nav systemTM with the optional extra rice tarts package. :bigroll:

Gotta get me one of those!

I thought the V would come with all of the options. Maybe if you don't get the extra rice tarts it will be a delete...

I Don't have a sun roof

my car doesn't have a hole in the roof.

Lucky bastards.

Is this rice enough?
SubLime! Yay!!

Yeah, the sunroof is the culprit for that and more!

How many of the blown differential cars had a sunroof?

>Never replaced the sail panel or a rear end...

Coincidence? I think not, my car doesn't have a hole in the roof.
Sail Panels fine, Rear end fine. 07 with a Sun roof.

Casey Kasem "Here's the latest from the new group hailing from the city formerly known as Detroit, THE RICE TARTS!"

:Playdrv4me:

Real pictures -> http://jalopnik.com/cars/sema/sema-2007-cadillac-cts-sport-concept-now-with-live-photos-316800.php

I'm not sure why but I think it looks more like the current CTS than the regular 2008 CTS does. Anyway, i don't like it; I prefer the more sleeper look to our current V. Tony, please say it ain't so this hood will be on the new V.

Two of my favorite quotes from the comments section in that article:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/commenter/90000/98778_32.jpg (http://jalopnik.com/commenter/PlatformHoon/) BY RONINIANHOON (http://jalopnik.com/commenter/PlatformHoon/) AT 02:01 PM (http://jalopnik.com/cars/sema/sema-2007-cadillac-cts-sport-concept-now-with-live-photos-316800.php#c2818125) That grill looks like it was made by ACE hardware...


BY POXPOPULUS (http://jalopnik.com/commenter/poxpopulus/) AT 02:50 PM (http://jalopnik.com/cars/sema/sema-2007-cadillac-cts-sport-concept-now-with-live-photos-316800.php#c2818785) As long as you have a good set of pipes.....look how far Barbara Streisand got with her snout.

Cadillac Racing 2009 - Team Rice Tart

Go faster; with the windows down, 150 will be enough to free the sail panels from their pesky mounts.A quick jaunt to 120 with the windows down and the moonroof closed knocked loose a sail panel. Once you see the inside of the sail panel, you'll see why they break so easily.

it would be interesting to see a riced-out as **** 09 V, even with 600HP. I'd imagine there would be a massive surge in demand for our "old style".

I had my '05 next to an '08 at the gas station...

I don't care how much they rice out the new V, it's gonna look GOOD!

:shhh: When the new car hits the road, the old V will go down more in value so the rice boyz will be able to afford them. Use your imagination (or photoshop)

I guess I might as well rice my own V rather than let some damned kid do it.

Wing. Bling.

How do I fit a fart can to the Corsa pipes?

Interesting article pertaining to the future of GM performance V8's including the CTS-V for those interested....

http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detailed-look-at-gms-ls-motor-plans.html


Will that article FINALLY put to rest the 600 hp LS7 V rumors? Please?????

I guess I might as well rice my own V rather than let some damned kid do it.

Wing. Bling.

How do I fit a fart can to the Corsa pipes?

You already got the rice under the hood, hell you put the whole box under there!

Will that article FINALLY put to rest the 600 hp LS7 V rumors? Please?????

There is only one thing that is going to put the rumours to rest:

http://www.naias.com

Go faster; with the windows down, 150 will be enough to free the sail panels from their pesky mounts.

A quick jaunt to 120 with the windows down and the moonroof closed knocked loose a sail panel. Once you see the inside of the sail panel, you'll see why they break so easily.

8 Days @ VIR. Windows down. No broken sail panels.

Significant number of 100+ runs. Windows down. No broken sail pannels.

Perhaps the pulled some mojo from my rear diff and put it in the pannels. ) new panels. 4th diff.

Again, no roof. And when I drive, it's with the windows all the way down. It is very rare that they are only part down. My guess is funky wind patterns inside the car are causing the problem, and my driving style doesn't cause the issue. And yes I drive flarkin fast. That's not the issue.

Lucky bastards.
<^ L5 response to two posts about not having a moon roof>

I had to hunt to find mine new w/o a moonroof. I'm SOOOO glad I made the effort.


-Chris

And yes I drive flarkin fast. That's not the issue.You do?

Chris, thank you for following proper jargon.

Sunroof = roof opening made of metal
Moonroof = roof opening made of glass

Chris, thank you for following proper jargon.

Sunroof = roof opening made of metal
Moonroof = roof opening made of glass

Sunroof = roof opening covered with metal
Moonroof = roof opening covered with glass

Opening = thin air


I'm just saying.

Sunroof = roof opening covered with metal
Moonroof = roof opening covered with glass

Opening = thin air


I'm just saying.They are not "covers", they are retractable panels.




I'm just saying.

:yawn:

:yawn:It must be lunch time. Welcome, RT!

ok, so what is wrong with moonroofs? or sunroofs? I dont use it much, but it is nice to have on a nice crisp day.

and TBJS, you never answered me on what a crisp day is?

ok, so what is wrong with moonroofs? or sunroofs? I dont use it much, but it is nice to have on a nice crisp day.

Other than they make your sail panels fly off and your diff blow up, there's nothing wrong with having a hole in the top of your perfectly good car.

You can haul a 15' Palm tree home from Home Depot in your V and I can't. :helpless:

I can haul some ass in my V, that's what I can haul.

ok, so what is wrong with moonroofs? or sunroofs? I dont use it much, but it is nice to have on a nice crisp day.

^ weight

V headroom

My guess is funky wind patterns inside the car are causing the problem, and my driving style doesn't cause the issue. And yes I drive flarkin fast. That's not the issue.

All four down windows down or just the front two?

^ weight

V headroom

what? 50, 60 lbs at most? the V is already a fatass, it isnt that much added weight.

Then again, I am a fatass too, and short...

Oh, and I left out:

> don't use it



So the negatives aren't outweighed by any positives. Sure be nice if the hole in the roof is optional on the new CTS-V.

^ weight

V headroomMe's gots plenty of headroom with the moonroof even whilst wearing a helmet. Weight? Eh, so what?

Me's wearing a helmet.

Fixed. :highfive:

Nevermind. :alchi:

Anyone seen this? http://autoshow.autos.msn.com/autoshow/Tokyo2007/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=5621902

If this thing has 460 HP with a 6 banger, the new V has to have 600 HP. The dream is still alive for me.

ah yes, the controversial GT-R. Goto the lounge and the versus forums. They have been arguing over it for months now.

Nevermind. :alchi:

The reports we are getting of your driving, you should be wearing helmet even for trips to the corner convenience store.

Fixed. :highfive:You should bes thinkin' about fixing your Pup E instead...

The reports we are getting of your driving, you should be wearing helmet even for trips to the corner convenience store.

Reports? :wtf:

550 hp LSA.

550HP AS(sho)L(e)?

^^Creative. Aren't you planning to get one of these?

550 hp LSA.
from http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detailed-look-at-gms-ls-motor-plans.html

500HP LSA

there ya have it.....and I believe it.


F

from http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detailed-look-at-gms-ls-motor-plans.html

"Preliminary specs have it over 500 horsepower"
Post fixed

This will make me want a used LS7 powered Z06 for a track car somewhere down the road...

So when the car is unveiled at Detroit in January, what do Kadonny and I win for posting this info 6 months ago? :D

Back-rubs from BigJim and WildWhl

Back-rubs from BigJim and WildWhl

with scented oil

oh the scented oil...

All four down windows down or just the front two?

All 4.

what? 50, 60 lbs at most? the V is already a fatass, it isnt that much added weight.

Then again, I am a fatass too, and short...

Me's gots plenty of headroom with the moonroof even whilst wearing a helmet. Weight? Eh, so what?

I'm only 5' 8". When I get a loaner CTS, you really notice the head room difference w/o the Moonroof. It is really noticible. Anyone over 6', should consider hunting for one w/o a roof.

60lbs, as the highest point in the car? Anyway to shed pounds is great. Unsprung = #1, highest point in the car has go to be #2.

Also don't forget improved chasis stiffness. I'm sure it's not a lot, but every little bit helps.

I'm glad I don't have a moon roof. :D Now all I need to do is getter better tires, brakes, and driver mod, and I will ownz joo on the track :D

-Chris

All 4.





I'm only 5' 8". When I get a loaner CTS, you really notice the head room difference w/o the Moonroof. It is really noticible. Anyone over 6', should consider hunting for one w/o a roof.

60lbs, as the highest point in the car? Anyway to shed pounds is great. Unsprung = #1, highest point in the car has go to be #2.

Also don't forget improved chasis stiffness. I'm sure it's not a lot, but every little bit helps.

I'm glad I don't have a moon roof. :D Now all I need to do is getter better tires, brakes, and driver mod, and I will ownz joo on the track :D

-ChrisI'm 6'1 and certainly not small and I have no problems wearing a helmet in my moonroof equipped V.

I want to see you at VIR and see who ownz j0o next spring!

I'm 6'1 and certainly not small and I have no problems wearing a helmet in my moonroof equipped V.

I want to see you at VIR and see who ownz j0o next spring!


Haha, notice I said I still need 'driver mod'. That may take a few years to develop :D. But after that, you are TOAST!

Next time, you'll need to sit in my car w/ your helmet on. It really is a big difference.

-Chris

I'm 6'1 and certainly not small and I have no problems wearing a helmet in my moonroof equipped V.

I want to see you at VIR and see who ownz j0o next spring!
Hey Jim,

I still need the 'driver mod' as well but I was wondering about the helmet. I am about 6'1 and I was looking into buying one but I have the seat all the way down and have about an inch from the headliner now. How far away from the headliner are you without the helmet and how much does the helmet add in height?

Thanks in advance.

Hey Jim,

I still need the 'driver mod' as well but I was wondering about the helmet. I am about 6'1 and I was looking into buying one but I have the seat all the way down and have about an inch from the headliner now. How far away from the headliner are you without the helmet and how much does the helmet add in height?

Thanks in advance.I always have my seats all the way down to aid in lowering the center of gravity. I am close to the headliner but it usually doesn't touch on the track. The helmet probably adds about 2-3" in height. I have a brand new Bell M4 helmet.

Are the helmets you use in cars any different that motorcycle helmets? I have always used HJC; great helmet for the price.

Are the helmets you use in cars any different that motorcycle helmets? I have always used HJC; great helmet for the price.
Wow, shockingly we are Way off topic here :D.

I just use an M2000 rated open faced helmet. If I ever move up to Advanced HPDE, I'll probabaly sitch to a closed face SA rated helmet.

Unless you start getting fairly serious out there, and M rated helmet should be fine, as long as the group you run with is OK with it.

-Chris

Wow, shockingly we are Way off topic here :D.


you seem surprised

What were we talking about?

How much we all want to get some Brittany Spears...

Helmet and Brittany Spears, sounds like Jimmy may be polishing one.

Thanks for the info guy's and back to the Dream thread...