Agreed. Hell, the RS4 is almost 70k. Still, the thoughts of that much hp in sedan version makes me moist.

Anyone see the pics of the new S5 from Audi? Pretty hot looking.

I followed one in Michigan at the Cruise.....very nice looking ride.


F

Different strokes, etc. :yawn:


"The 300" Rocked :blurock:

a friend of mine has both an S4 and an RS6... the RS6 was used by some tuners as a testbed car and i think it pushing 650hp to the wheels or something like that, sounds like a lean lean baby eating woodchipping turbine powered beast .... all you hear is turbo coming toward you and V8 rumble going away from you... SICK!!!!

Overpriced German crap.

FOUND IT!!!! Sweet!

http://www.jon04ctsv.com/gallery4/img_0945_std.jpg

FOUND IT!!!! Sweet!

http://www.jon04ctsv.com/gallery4/img_0945_std.jpg


SWEET, a Convertible. No too crazy about the chromed hub caps though.

I wonder if the YAMAHA on the side means it's going to have a Yamaha engine? I bet Jim is creamin' the shorts right now.

-Chris

I wanted to steal that golf cart from the WCGT race at Sebring. Come to think of it, the black V toolbox looked pretty sweet, too.....

:D

More MT info, Blue Devil will be ZR-1 and CTS V gets that engine. Also mentions a new high content DOHC V8 in 09, but not for V.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/6215473/car-news/corvette-blue-devil-finally-gets-a-name-zr1/

More MT info, Blue Devil will be ZR-1 and CTS V gets that engine. Also mentions a new high content DOHC V8 in 09, but not for V.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/6215473/car-news/corvette-blue-devil-finally-gets-a-name-zr1/

you know what we all think of Motortrend

that article is spotty anyway, they report ZR1 first appeared on 8 cars in 1971; that is incorrect; there were over 100 ZR1/LT1 built from 1970-1972. I have spent alot of time reading about them as it is my ultimate dream car.

FOUND IT!!!! Sweet!

http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/images/b_cts.jpg

http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/images/b_cts.jpg
That's not a V....

I'm sure it will be the next time JimmyPhotochop posts here...

I'm sure it will be the next time JimmyPhotochop posts here...

dont tempt me, I waste too much time in PS as it is...

http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/images/b_cts.jpg

hahahahahahahaha.................a f'n kickstand!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahhhaahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!



p.s. For the guys reading this from GM.....if you think putting out some soft ass road bike like that is good for Cadillac's name, think again. I will just mention the bear claw pedal.

hahahahahahahaha.................a f'n kickstand!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahhhaahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!



p.s. For the guys reading this from GM.....if you think putting out some soft ass road bike like that is good for Cadillac's name, think again. I will just mention the bear claw pedal.

If I was going to buy a Cadillac bike, it would be this one:

http://www.cadillacbicycles.com/images/b_am27.jpg

http://wardsauto.com/ar/cts_interior_design/

Good read- thanks!

Yes the interior is VERY nice. Especially when compared with the current CTS. I wish I could transplant one into my V.

Unless of course, you are a writer from an auto mag; then the new interior is nice, but overdone, and they (as always) should have done it exactly like BMW.:banghead:

^^
That's funny, because I also think it's overdone. :hide:
Sure, it's nice but it's just to much bling for me. :o

The woodgrain is completely intollerable. :helpless:
My dealer had one with CF which looked a bit better. :)

I do really like the seats though, as they feel so soft and comfortable. :cool:

some people are just never happy :bouncy:

some people are just never happy :bouncy:
Believe it or not, I'm still happy with my Stock 04. :thumbsup:

I envy you.

Believe it or not, I'm still happy with my Stock 04. :thumbsup:
That's because you have a Mallet V to play with.

I ordered an '08 CTS badge from my Parts Dept. and replaced the one on my decklid (I like the new emblem better).

Zomg08CTSV!!!111!!!lollerzzz

uh-oh TTS sig = politics...

The woodgrain is completely intollerable. :helpless:

The wood trim is fine... with the exception of the wood covering the top of the steering wheel. That sucks ass.

The wood trim is fine... with the exception of the wood covering the top of the steering wheel. That sucks ass.
Yea, what's with that wood on the stering wheel?
Is it so old guys can be reminded of the wood handles from their walking canes. :hmm:

I'm happy with my not so stock 07, I prefer our body style to the new.

The one thing I can think of that I wish I had from the 08 is the NAV with the built in Hard Drive. I wonder if it will fit in the 07????

Love the Nav, really love the way the sreen pops up!

Sorry, the NBA "Bling" fender vents leave me out of any new Cadillacs. I will keep my '04 V untill it dies an untimely death!!

^^NBA "Bling" LOL.

Aside from the fact that I don't want those Vents on my car either... The '08 looks to be an exceptional accomplishment for a company that put out the Cimmaron and the diesel hump back Seville among other lows not all that long ago.

So where's the new V?

The wood trim is fine... with the exception of the wood covering the top of the steering wheel. That sucks ass.

I have a solution...

Does anyone have any inside information on the outside possibility that the 2009 CTS V-Series will have the Ultra V8 instead of a high performance Chevy engine?
Or will the Ultra V8 be reserved for the higher-end Cadillacs only?
From what I've been able to find, it should be pretty awesome & naturally aspirated producing in the 350-400 HP range.
It will not be DOHC like the Northstar but conventional & slightly larger in displacement than the Northstar.

This thread is going to get merged...there is a WHOLE rumor thread....search!

Minimum 505hp and the potential for 545...:thumbsup:

Just curious, what makes it an Ultra engine?

They are gonna reserve it for the high end, slower Cadillacs.
Were gettin' rockets!!!

Sweeeeet....

In Before the Urbanation!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a solution...

:doh:

I have a solution...
Hmmmmm.

Uber poop

Where's the Urbanator?

Where's the Urbanator?

boo.

uberurbinatorassimilatoradminiskater :urb:

So BMW is currently testing a twin turbo M5.... The '09 V better have 600hp...

BMW isn't going to let some American car maker take a shot at their throne without a fight.

So BMW is currently testing a twin turbo M5....

sounds like another Ferrari Enzo; I can see the body shops rubbing their hands together right now....$$$$

So BMW is currently testing a twin turbo M5.... The '09 V better have 600hp...
Cool, now everyone has a perfect excuse to mod their 09 V's.

Warranty be Damned!:want:

Warranty be Damned!:want:

i am certain it will be

Cool, now everyone has a perfect excuse to mod their 09 V's.

Warranty be Damned!:want:
Now I'm interested in an 09!

The fact is I will be looking at the 09 ans see what will fit the 07... The rear end for example.:)

Now I'm interested in an 09!

The fact is I will be looking at the 09 ans see what will fit the 07... The rear end for example.:)

would not hold your breath if I were you

Just wondering, anyone heard anything?

somewhere between .42 and 424,242.42
:merge:

anyone seen pricing info on the 09 CTS-V?

Anyone seen my pants? Cocoa plants have changed mankind...

I noticed the CTS-V has finally been dropped from the cadillac website. I was there a couple days ago and V-series page showed 2008 STS-V 2008 XLR-V and 2007 CTS-V. now it just shows the sts and xlr

I heard that the interior is going to look like this. Wheel wrap standard.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/30556d1178397275-installed-dash-trim-kit-dashkit2.jpg

ok now, you are just asking for it

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/fatass1.jpg

somewhere between the price of a six pack and the hope diamond

urb's being Karnac the Magnificent.

:RightTurn: http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/gif/taco.gif :RightTurn:

I actually really like those door inserts! :lol: at the classic biker chick!

Check out the link for some upcoming HP numbers from our european friends... I hope the new V really gets the 600hp...:yup:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070910.004/bmw-m5-twin-turbo-and-m7-prototypes-spied

Yikes! it seems the new V must have at least 600 to compete at that level! Still think that if the STSv and XLRv will live on to a second generation car both will be LS3 SC powered, perhaps closer to the vette ZR-1 650 hp (which will probably wind up being even higher than that.)

I actually really like those door inserts! :lol: at the classic biker chick!

finally, someone with taste!

finally, someone with taste!

lol... yeah. one guy.

:rofl: :yeah:

:highfive:

lol... yeah. one guy.

http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/gif/bigfinger.gif

I want to see the 2009 V come in at less then $68k.

I have a bet with a friend of mine that it won't be less then $65k

Oh god heavy, no way the 09 V comes in more than 65k. I'll take that bet right now.

GM can't raise the price from low 50' to mid 60's, it just won't happen, the car won't sell. Look for the price to be high 50's.

Well if you think so I am willing to bet a dinner on it.

Reason?

A CTS-V cost just as much as a C5 Z06 in 2005 ($52k).

If they get 550 to 600 hp I figure an upcharge of a minimum of $9k motor wise and another $8-10k in everything else.

I just saw a new CTS with a sticker very close to $49k.

Do the math.

I know it is nothing more then speculation, but I still think the V will be close to if not over $65k.

Well if you think so I am willing to bet a dinner on it.

Reason?

A CTS-V cost just as much as a C5 Z06 in 2005 ($52k).

If they get 550 to 600 hp I figure an upcharge of a minimum of $9k motor wise and another $8-10k in everything else.

I just saw a new CTS with a sticker very close to $49k.

Do the math.

I know it is nothing more then speculation, but I still think the V will be close to if not over $65k.

Alternate line of thinking:

2008 CTS with the 3.6L PFI engine bases out for the same as an 07. Cut & sew interior, turn by turn navigation, larger standard wheel and brakes, nicer key fob, rear air and VASTLY improved quality of materials.

How'd they do that?

Well if you think so I am willing to bet a dinner on it.

Reason?

A CTS-V cost just as much as a C5 Z06 in 2005 ($52k).

If they get 550 to 600 hp I figure an upcharge of a minimum of $9k motor wise and another $8-10k in everything else.

I just saw a new CTS with a sticker very close to $49k.

Do the math.

I know it is nothing more then speculation, but I still think the V will be close to if not over $65k.

Yes, It's crazy what V-6 DI CTS are listing for.
Those cars should have 360+HP for their near 50K price.
It's looking like the new V will be $$$ and very limited.

Yes, It's crazy what V-6 DI CTS are listing for.
Those cars should have 360+HP for their near 50K price.
It's looking like the new V will be $$$ and very limited.

The only way to get a DI CTS anywhere near 50k is with AWD, Performance package, premium luxury w/nav, premuim paint and ultraview.

Take out AWD and premium paint (neither of which will be on the V) and you've already cut $3,900 off the MSRP. A loaded DI without these goes for ~45k. The previous V was about 10k more than a loaded CTS, and this should be no different.

GM will gut our markup to nothing to keep the sticker competitive, mark my words-they've already done it on the 08 CTS.

Gutted the markup?

Cmon.

Don't tell me the dealers aren't going to slap an upcharge on a limited production car in high demand. :thepan:

At least initally.

I would like to see them trim about 500 lbs off the car. I know its no SRT, but at 3800 lbs or so, the current V is already a fatass. What is the 09 going to be? Over 4000 lbs someone estimated?

Don't tell me the dealers aren't going to slap an upcharge on a limited production car in high demand.

not unless they want to start sending buyers over to Chrysler to look at the $45k SRT8. which is going to be more comparable now that the V is getting an auto (and I would be willing to bet about 75-85% of them will be auto)

Gutted the markup?

Cmon.

Don't tell me the dealers aren't going to slap an upcharge on a limited production car in high demand. :thepan:

At least initally.

Whether or not they slap an addendum sticker on the car, the fact remains that GM has methodically cut our markup between Invoice and MSRP over the last 5 years. I remember having 20% markup to negotiate on, but now we're around 5-8% TOPS on a base car.

I'm sure some dealers will put bump stickers on them (I won't), but that wasn't my point. The discussion is about MSRP, and I'd bet that the markup in the '09 CTS-V will be small in order to keep the sticker price well below the competition.

Your right, we were discussing MSRP.

I still believe that the new CTS-V will be very close to $65k if not $68K.

And it will only be available loaded to the hilt. :bonkers:

Then throw the $5,000 back of sticker, $3,000 from your GM card and back in the high $50k range, wait for someone to drive it 2,500 miles, there's another $10,000 or more off the price and PRESTO, I'm in an 09!

Then throw the $5,000 back of sticker, $3,000 from your GM card and back in the high $50k range, wait for someone to drive it 2,500 miles, there's another $10,000 or more off the price and PRESTO, I'm in an 09!:dance:

Then throw the $5,000 back of sticker, $3,000 from your GM card and back in the high $50k range, wait for someone to drive it 2,500 miles, there's another $10,000 or more off the price and PRESTO, I'm in an 09!
I was planning to do that. Wait for a chescrown '09 V. But I can't do that without selling my '04 and lately I've kinda decided I'd rather slowly build my '04 up. Plus my dad's going to get a C6 for a summer car so it'd be fun to go C6 vs '04 V at the track :D

We gotta face the reality, our current V isn't going to be worth Jack after the new one comes out. At least the base model '08 doesn't have = or better performance to our old V's, that'd be the kiss 'o death for value.

BMW does that, put up a new car that isn't an M with similar performance to the old M, just CRUSHING the value of the old model. The recovery from BMW ownership is long and hard (read what you want into that, my ass still hurts, I still need to vent).

My current V + 35 large will set me up just fine ;). To bad I'm in Real Estate and the extra $35 Large won't be forthcoming :(

Good thing I like my car.

We gotta face the reality, our current V isn't going to be worth Jack after the new one comes out. At least the base model '08 doesn't have = or better performance to our old V's, that'd be the kiss 'o death for value.

BMW does that, put up a new car that isn't an M with similar performance to the old M, just CRUSHING the value of the old model. The recovery from BMW ownership is long and hard (read what you want into that, my ass still hurts, I still need to vent).

My current V + 35 large will set me up just fine ;). To bad I'm in Real Estate and the extra $35 Large won't be forthcoming :(

Good thing I like my car.
Another reason for me to keep my car. If it's not worth much, no way am I getting rid of it.

We gotta face the reality, our current V isn't going to be worth Jack after the new one comes out ...........

I would not worry about that.
09 V's will be very rare, due to their high cost.

Therefore, I see them more as pulling our values back up.
Our V's offer the better performance value and and will be harder to come by, once the big run of early-V lease returns ends.

I think we are doing better on depreciation than 09 V owners will.

I'm loving the possibilities of how great the new V will be. I'm thinking Z06 sedan. Current Z06 that is. WOW:cloud9: Then I remeber my run in with a M6 a day ago. NO I didn't kill him but fun none the less. What I'm getting at is this current car is killer. Still in love. Longest I've owned a car. So if the bank account isn't ready by 09 then I will happily wait another year in my current V.NO problem:cool2:

PS. Lets see 08cts loaded 49k + 15k in performance upgrades. My vote on price under 65k. Fingers crossed

I've got better power in my '05 V now than what they're shooting for in the '09 V. I just wish I had a dependable differential.

At this point, who knows if the '09s will either? :D

'04's and '05's doing better on depreciation than '09's?

Soon after I bought my '05 V (in summer '04), I saw brand new ones being sold off dealer lots for 5-8k less than I paid. And, used ones, barely a year old with low miles, were selling for something like 30k.

I don't know who has done well on resale with this car. By next summer, I'll have had it for 4 years, and will own it outright. At that time, I view it as a downpayment on the '09, however much that may be. I don't expect it to be much, since '05's sell in the 20's now.

The only people who have done well on resale are people who bought used, at a ridiculous resale value.

On the other hand, I bought it to drive it, not as an investment. So, I drive it alot.

It's entirely possible that if the 2009 gets rave reviews and sells well without discounts or incentives that our resale values could go back up. It's happened before with Z06s, RX-7s and several other performance cars. I suppose the logic goes "People see rave review and can't afford new one, but will pay well for a used one from the previous generation."

Keep in mind that I said "Possible", not "Probable." :)

that did happen, for a short time, with the M5. While they skipped a model year, waiting for the new one to come out, the resale was strong on used ones in the hiatus year. Once the new one came out, the resale market went back to what it was.

I guess it's better to expect nothing and get something, which is what I am trying to do.

And, I'll be sure to remind my dealer that resale values are trending upwards as he's evaluating my trade on the '09.:alchi:

If you want to sell your low mileage V, I am sure now is the time. I considered it briefly, but I love it too much and havent had it that long.

We gotta face the reality, our current V isn't going to be worth Jack after the new one comes out. At least the base model '08 doesn't have = or better performance to our old V's, that'd be the kiss 'o death for value.

BMW does that, put up a new car that isn't an M with similar performance to the old M, just CRUSHING the value of the old model. The recovery from BMW ownership is long and hard (read what you want into that, my ass still hurts, I still need to vent).

My current V + 35 large will set me up just fine ;). To bad I'm in Real Estate and the extra $35 Large won't be forthcoming :(

Good thing I like my car.What is all this trading in and getting rid of the old V? I couldn't care less about that. I don't care what it's worth since I'm keeping my '04 forever.

As for new cars crushing the old models' resale, that's short term. Have you priced out a first gen M3 or M5 in good shape? Egads expensive! Same for every model M3 and M5 since then. Sure, as you move from one gen to the next, the resale may go down. But the cars are good enough to always be in demand. Hopefully, Cadillac will have the same results...

At this point, who knows if the '09s will either? :D
cheery

Well if you think so I am willing to bet a dinner on it.

Reason?

A CTS-V cost just as much as a C5 Z06 in 2005 ($52k).

If they get 550 to 600 hp I figure an upcharge of a minimum of $9k motor wise and another $8-10k in everything else.

I just saw a new CTS with a sticker very close to $49k.

Do the math.

I know it is nothing more then speculation, but I still think the V will be close to if not over $65k.

I'll take that bet. You have 65K and up, I have 64.9999K and under. Pure 100% window sticker from the factory on the standard V model, no dealer markups.

$ 25.00 or $ 50.00 gift certificate (whatever we agree on) to the chain restaurant of your choice (since we live far away).

What is all this trading in and getting rid of the old V? I couldn't care less about that. I don't care what it's worth since I'm keeping my '04 forever.

As for new cars crushing the old models' resale, that's short term. Have you priced out a first gen M3 or M5 in good shape? Egads expensive! ...

Same Same. You'll have to pry my first gen V out of my cold dead hands :D.

E30 M3 = :drool:

I'll take that bet. You have 65K and up, I have 64.9999K and under. Pure 100% window sticker from the factory on the standard V model, no dealer markups.

$ 25.00 or $ 50.00 gift certificate (whatever we agree on) to the chain restaurant of your choice (since we live far away).

LOL, never gonna happen. Jim's a :kittyball: when it comes to bets. He wouldn't even take a bet with me regarding his uber powerful and beloved 'Fins, against my pittiful Steelers. (perhaps he is smarter than he looks. Come to think of it that's not very hard either.)

-Chris

I keed, I keed.

Same Same. You'll have to pry my first gen V out of my cold dead hands :D.

E30 M3 = :drool:



LOL, never gonna happen. Jim's a :kittyball: when it comes to bets. He wouldn't even take a bet with me regarding his uber powerful and beloved 'Fins, against my pittiful Steelers. (perhaps he is smarter than he looks. Come to think of it that's not very hard either.)

-Chris

I keed, I keed.In your desire to make yourself chuckle(not hard, you are a simpleton) you fail to realize I am not the bettor nor bettee...

cheery

I keed, I keed. Seriously though, everyone's giving an awful lot of credit to a diff nobody's even seen yet :halo:. I might sell them, but that doesn't mean I'm a brainwashed company man who spews nothing but positives. I'm all about the truthiness, baby! :thumbsup:

Kadonny, you and I have held the line on pricing for a while now (I can't even remember what page my predictions are on), but I'm in on that bet if there's any takers. Over/Under $65k, me and K in the under.

Bring it!

It'll still have a bean counter Mitsubishi serpentine belt so who cares?

Pop up Nav? Just what I need; an annoying wart on my dash everyday. Not good thinking for something always on...Doesn't anyone think anymore? :thepan:

Even low 60's for an 09 V that could be light on some available extra-cost options is qute a jump.

Are you guys predicting stripper base model V's or max option V's?

Pop up Nav? Just what I need; an annoying wart on my dash everyday. Not good thinking for something always on...Doesn't anyone think anymore? :thepan:

Aww, come on Rick- you know it's all about the "Wow Factor." Is there any reason for scissor doors on a Murcielago other than to look freaking cool? Same with popup Nav. Every customer I've showed it to says, "Oooooh..."

Regarding the price:

There won't be too many options on the new V. Figure optional automatic and Sunroof delete will be it. My "Under $65k" prediction is Manual Transmission and sunroof.

Ok so we should start a poll as to the over unders.

I vote for over $65k MSRP and there won't be a "base model".

It will be loaded.

refrigerated center console?

Ok so we should start a poll as to the over unders.

I vote for over $65k MSRP and there won't be a "base model".

It will be loaded.

poll added :)

poll added :)

No comment.

No comment.

????

Haha...sorry Urb. I didn't mean anything mysterious by that, just that everyone knows my stand on the issue.

So far, the polls seem to agree. :thumbsup:

Make the poll so under $59,900 is an option! If we wish hard enough...

I'm booked to Detroit January 25-27 for NAIAS. Sure hope the new V and the ZR1 are there, too...

Ok so we should start a poll as to the over unders.

I vote for over $65k MSRP and there won't be a "base model".

It will be loaded.

Heavy, I know it will be loaded with the standard V stuff, I was just noting "base model" just in case GM throws in an AWD model. The price for an 09 compared to a similarly equipped 07 is what I am referring to.

Pop up Nav? Just what I need; an annoying wart on my dash everyday. Not good thinking for something always on...Doesn't anyone think anymore? :thepan:

I am not crazy about popup nav's either. But as far always on; since I got the car in March, I have used the nav twice. So I can see hiding it when not needed.

refrigerated center console?

to store your Coor's Light?

In your desire to make yourself chuckle(not hard, you are a simpleton) you fail to realize I am not the bettor nor bettee...

How in the flarn did that happen? :hmm: I guess we've established 2 things:

1) I am an idiot.
2) I am easily amused. That sh!t was funny.
3) multi-quoting is obviously too much thinking for me.
4) I can't count.

I still assert that you and your fins are a bunch of :kittyball:'s though.

-Chris

I still assert that you and your fins are a bunch of :kittyball:'s though.

-ChrisMy Fins? Yeah. Me? Maybe, just not at VIR...

Bump.

No more rumors? Boy, this program is staying quiet.

Bump.

No more rumors? Boy, this program is staying quiet.

I agree, although I attribute a lot of that to the older fan-base. If a bunch of 20 year old kids were buying this car you would know everything about it.

I have the patience of a 20 year-old kid...

You have more patience then I, about the patience of a 5 year old...

My wife and I picked up some furniture at a place near my Cadillac dealer, so I stopped by and made her sit in a 2008 CTS. Her reaction:

"Nice car!"

"I'm not sure about the 'vent' on the side."

It was a very nice 3.6 DI model, dark plum/burgundy in color. They had six 2008 CTS cars on the lot. The plum one was in the showroom right next to a new STS. Her reaction to the STS:

"The 'vent' on the side is even bigger. It's ugly."

I am an American.

Instant gratification isn't fast enough...:histeric:

I hope the rear is better than the 2008. I took a look under one, the diff actually looks smaller . Its just mounted completely different.

However, the interior I think looks fabulous!

Pop-up Nav screen is d-u-m-stupid. :thepan:

My wife commented today that she's seen a lot of '08 CTS ads in "her" magazines. Which makes sense as she's the core target market.

Bet we won't see a '09 V ad in SnowTech.

If any one caught it, there was a V on the new show on CBS with Jimmy Smits.

I took a screenshot of it and will post if I get a chance.

If any one caught it, there was a V on the new show on CBS with Jimmy Smits.

I took a screenshot of it and will post if I get a chance.

I just caught that as I was going to sleep and couldnt remember the name of the show the next day. A nice grille shot I believe. I hope its featured.

I'm booked to Detroit January 25-27 for NAIAS. Sure hope the new V and the ZR1 are there, too...

I bet it will be.

If any one caught it, there was a V on the new show on CBS with Jimmy Smits.

I took a screenshot of it and will post if I get a chance.

I just caught that as I was going to sleep and couldnt remember the name of the show the next day. A nice grille shot I believe. I hope its featured.
"Cane" A new series that starts Tues eve on CBS @ 10pm EDT.

Pop-up Nav screen is d-u-m-stupid. :thepan:


:werd:

..... the interior I think looks fabulous!

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/10P/QF0100~Fabulous-Queer-as-Folk-Posters.jpg

Here's a link with a short video with the car shown at about 32 seconds in. Use your media player to pause it when it shows the car.

http://mfile3.akamai.com/21927/wmv/cbscomstor.download.akamai.com/8605/g2demand/entertainment/primetime/cane/epk/cane_epk.wmv

That's an STS-V in that clip, and debadged to boot (No V or "Supercharged" on the side).

If any one caught it, there was a V on the new show on CBS with Jimmy Smits.

I took a screenshot of it and will post if I get a chance.
I recall seeing a V on a recent broadcast of Motorweek.
They were featuring the Hyperfest event.
When they mentioned the track-day portion, they showed, of all cars, a Red T2 V rolling out to go on track.
It was cool to see a V bieng recognized as a track beast. :yup:

MotorWeek #2703

Episode Title: 2703/Mercedes-Benz C-Class
PBS broadcast window begins September 21, 2007

Quick Listing:
Road Test: The New 2008 Mercedes-Benz C-Class
Road Test: 2008 Buick Enclave crossover
Goss' Garage: Timing Belt Trivia
Over The Edge: Summit Point Hyperfest
Long-Term Road Test Update: Nissan Versa, Mazda CX-7

Ok here is some new shots of the 09 CTS V.:thumbsup:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-cts-v-future.html

[csp3000 link]

In the Sept. 30 '07 shots...is that an intercooler behind the mesh grill? Suspect, might be some other sort of cooler :hmm:

Small exhaust huh?

Woo hooo Trailer Hitch now standard on the V!

I'm not too impressed but am anxious for the finished product.

I feel like a little kid....Anxiously waiting for it to be available!

article says large tires and exhaust
but in the pics they are TINY

I like the addition of a wheelie bar adapter.:histeric:

That's not a trailer hitch- it's an external filler neck for the rear diff.

:lol:

You V guys seen these yet?
http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2009-cadillac-cts+v-305315.php

You V guys seen these yet?
http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2009-cadillac-cts+v-305315.php
Like 5 posts up or so....

AWD? wtf is that guy smoking?

Automatic option, maybe. AWD, I don't think so.

That's not a trailer hitch- it's an external filler neck for the rear diff.

:lol:

:D..

This just in - When the 6.2L Gen V engine debuts in 2011, it will have DOHC and VVT.

2011.....Sounds good to me, Rick......That's when I'll be trading in my "V" :thumbsup:

I love my 05 V and I drive it year round in Indianpolis so I switch to winter tires from December to March and they work fine. From the spy pics it looks like the new V will have 5 lugnut wheels so my old wheels won't work. Anyone know why they used the 6 lugnut wheel and now change? By the way what do I do with the old wheels? (won't fit the Durango)

I love my 05 V and I drive it year rouond in Indianpolis so I switch to winter tires from December to March and they work fine. From the spy pics it looks like the new V will have 5 lugnut wheels so my old wheels won't work. Anyone know why they used the 6 lugnut wheel and now change? By the way what do I do with the old wheels? (won't fit the Durango)


In Indy you can drive the V year round? WoW, I haven't tried the snow tires , but with my gsd3's it is the absolute worst vehicle I have ever driven in my entire life on snow. When I left epp's place in Fort wayne in January they had to push me off the lot and there was about 1" snow and flat.When I got home I couldn't get it up the drive and in the garage for 2 days , So after that it didn't leave the garage unless it was dry out.
By the way where are you at in Indy?

By the way what do I do with the old wheels? (won't fit the Durango)

Ummmmm....sell them here? Lots of people are always looking for winter/track wheels. BTW if you want to get rid of them soon I'd be a buyer. :D

I use Michelin Aplins on an extra set of wheels that I got fromTire Rack. If you have not ever switched to winter performance tires you can't imagine the difference. I am from Chicago and started using them on BMWs 15 years ago and it makes all the difference in the world. The peformance winter tires give up a little in snow but are pretty good in the dry too. Check out Tire Racks website. I am in Carmel

I used to run Nokian WRs on my WRX so I know all about true winters. I'm not sure how much I'll be driving my car this winter though since I may be on the road for work for most of it.

I do drive mine for work, all over the state, and never had a problem. No 5sec 0-60s but still fun to drive and I don't have to put it away for 4 months.

What spy pics are you talking about?I could see the 09 V's wheels not interchanging with ours.but not because of the number of lugnuts.

All of the spy pics I've seen have had the 5-lug wheels on.

All of the spy pics I've seen have had the 5-lug wheels on.

that is a test car, it is still possible, probable even, that the production car will have 6-lug hubs.

that is a test car, it is still possible, probable even, that the production car will have 6-lug hubs.

I don't think so...Caddy is not going to cut corners like Gen 1. They will definitely get more right the first time around this time. I love my Gen 1 V but can't wait for round 2. The car is going to kick !@##$$& ass:thepan:

the 6 lug is kind of like a trademark for the V-series; as stupid as it is, they might keep it for that purpose alone.

I'd like for them to retain the 6 lug wheels.
It keeps us from having to see V's rolling on tasteless reverse offset wheels, cuz I scored theze whelz cheap man. :nono:

Parts bin engineering... GM would be foolish not to use items that are on hand to keep the costs down.

I'm happy to leave the Superfly Blingedy Bling wheels to the 5 lug folks.

5 lug would be nice for those of us in the snow belt who might want to buy a set of cheap wheels to put snow tires on.

*nothing new, moving along...*

Parts bin engineering... GM would be foolish not to use items that are on hand to keep the costs down.

I'm happy to leave the Superfly Blingedy Bling wheels to the 5 lug folks.

then i guess you could call GM foolish for the 09V...(thats all i'm saying):stirpot:

I'd call GM foolish for a bunch of things, I'm hoping the '09 V is among them.

then i guess you could call GM foolish for the 09V...(thats all i'm saying):stirpot:

This guy knows something. Troy, MI? Hmmmmmmm. A little young to be an engineer, but I'd bet he's related to somebody. When my dad was at Saginaw Steering Gear (GM) we use to get the skinny on ALL the new models. Now imagine if you will driving down main street america in a new proto-type Camaro at age 16 and that was me in 1982. Now that was the shiz-nit. Had the disease ever since. Actually had it earlier than that when I got to drive his 1976 Corvette up the driveway (300 ft. long) to get the mail. I was 10!

My finger prints might be on a Brass Hat somewhere.

I just saw an 08 CTS for 49K on sale! (ouch, hope it has all of the options...)

I almost got my 07 V for that much out the door.

Any updates to the list price of a 09 V? Any guesses (Mine is $65K).

Car & Driver have got a "Virtual Test Drive" in the works with Tommy Kendal on the V-6. It's advertised in the magazine but doesn't look like it's "up" yet...

Here's the link: http://www.caranddriver.com/virtualtestdrive/12317/virtual-test-drive.html#

It could be interesting...

There was a poll and I think you and I are the only ones that think it is gonna be over $65k.

I take that back.

We are in the minority.

The others are dreaming..........

...Maybe we can steal the rear diff from it.

I hope your right, this is what I have been planning on!

Make it three - A fully optioned V will be between $65-75k.

The thought there is the competition in the market is slave to the exchange rate of the Euro and leverage it GM will if they're smart*.

*Smart implies doing the opposite of tradition much like George Costanza.

The under $65K are probably the ones that plan to buy the 09 used in 2010.

Probably the same pepole that bought their V for <30K :)

Probably the same pepole that bought their V for <30K :)

Thats my plan. To become a douche bag!!

I cought some Old vs New Pics from a nearby dealer.

Old still looks better to me, even in silver.

I cought some Old vs New Pics from a nearby dealer.

Old still looks better to me, even in silver.
The regular CTS now looks just as sporty as the V, maybe a little more!

I cought some Old vs New Pics from a nearby dealer.

Old still looks better to me, even in silver.
Said it before I'll say it again. Exterior of the 1st generation looks much better.

Dealer says he just returned from meeting and the HP is confirmed at 605. Car will arrive in showroom around July. He left me this info in a message. I will try and talk with him soon and see if he was given any additional info.

hoo hah...LOL


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The under $65K are probably the ones that plan to buy the 09 used in 2010.

Probably the same pepole that bought their V for <30K :)

Ahem...what's wrong with buying it for under 30k? Some of us just recently became pseudo ballers. ;)

I dunno who you are since this is your first post, but I would not be surprised if 605 was correct.

Lutz has stated that the hp figure would be unexpectedly high, and that it would suck the doors off the M5.

:lol:....nice first post. Everyone knows dealers are the smartarest evar!!!!!!!

Dealer says he just returned from meeting and the HP is confirmed at 605. Car will arrive in showroom around July. He left me this info in a message. I will try and talk with him soon and see if he was given any additional info.

Sounds like the flex-fuel version.

605??? NICE!!!......But I'm not jumpin for joy just yet....:confused:

BTW I LOVE spankin bimmers

WTF - I am going to just go mod insane with a built LS7 in my 06 and be done.:pir8:

:yup:

I'd bet 505 not 605. That and ANY torque below 4,000 rpms will KILL an M5 dead.

With many of us already at or above the 605 flywheel mark already; explain to me again why I should spend more money for a V with a st00pid pop-up nav screen?

The '09 will either wheel hop, grenade the diff/halfshaft or be torque managed into a snagglepuss off the line. My money is on the latter.

2009 V Descriptors

SnagglepussTM

SnaggledpussedTM

Snaggle*****TM <<< I've been moderated. :nono:

I thought this was a free country with freedom to express ourselves.

I am not a number. I am a free man!

The Prisoner.

Happy with my 07, even if I liked the Nav it doesn't help with the performance.

By the time i'm finished I will blast past the 505 and I will probably come in cheaper then the $65K tag I'm sure it's going to have.

As far as Snaggle puss that would be my bet but I'm sure Rick will find a fix for that :)

My LS2 is more then happy to launch off the line and by the time I get the heads and TVS on her she will be able to hold her own.

Wonder if the dealer would race for pinks? Wouldn't mind a 09 V for the daily driver but can't see spending the money.

After flogging my new variable valve timing L92 now for two weeks and 500 miles - it is quite the powerplant in stock form. Throw a blower on it and it would be perfection.

st00pid pop-up nav screen


hee hee: nav hate

I hope the new V is nowhere near $75k. I saw a new CTS on the road today. It looked beefy.
I still have high hopes for version 2. How could Lutz say it would suck the doors off the M5 if it wasn't sick? Come on 600!

Said it before I'll say it again. Exterior of the 1st generation looks much better.No frackin' way! I like the new CTS almost as much as my V. But my V also looks worlds better than the plain CTS. You're not talking about the second gen V yet, so if you think a gen 1 CTS looks better than a gen 2 CTS, you're nuts.

With many of us already at or above the 605 flywheel mark already; explain to me again why I should spend more money for a V with a st00pid pop-up nav screen?

The '09 will either wheel hop, grenade the diff/halfshaft or be torque managed into a snagglepuss off the line. My money is on the latter.

For those of us who are not, why spend several thousand on the current V that could be used as a downpayment if this one will come off the showroom floor with even 525bhp and a full warranty to cover it? Pop up nav - ehhh nice but not a selling item. A head unit that recognizes MP3, has a HD for me to download music into and / or hook my own player into the audio system, bluetooth - selling points over the current model. Possibly larger brakes, 5 lug wheel, a nicer interior - selling points, for me anyway. But in truth the car isn't out yet, so any real details are unknown and only rumor at this point. The car will have to be released so I can see and drive it in person and then see how much they want for it. From that point I'll make the decision to upgrade or consider dropping the money into this model to bring it up to or close to that performance level (my warranty will be done by then anyway). That is if the competition doesn't offer something else worth looking at.

Since more power won't be a selling point for me; the '09 has got to do the selling with soul in the interior and exterior.

Having a "pop-tart nav screenTM" is not sexy.

I'll defend the honor of the pop-up Nav: That thing is freaking sweet!

The new dash panel is a LOT lower than our current one when the screen is hidden, and being hidden keeps dust, sneeze splatters, etc, off of the screen. When the screen raises up, it's only about as high as our current HVAC vents, so it's not like it blocks any forward visibility.

Added bonus: The "oooooh, aahhhhh" factor, which is a staple in high end cars. You can't tell me features like the green trace light when you engage cruise control on the speedo of an M6 serves any purpose other than to look cool, just like Carbon fiber interior trim on an RS4 or popup nav in a CTS. It looks cool, stays cleaner and doesn't interfere with visibility.

Winner :thumbsup: Take that! :D

Sorry, you'll have to do better to get me off my soapbox. :D

For my daily driving, the nav is always on in both my GM vehicles. On the Denali, the dash is super low compared to even the V so I'm not automatically buying into "it has to be that way."

Driving around every day with a pop-tart nav screenTM is dumb and I'm the one that will decide with my checkbook whether or not it is sweet to me.

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

Aw, come on.......you can't tell me that his wouldn't be delicious first thing in the morning: Get in your CTS and BOOM- hot, fresh Pop-Tarty goodness :D.

Aw, come on.......you can't tell me that his wouldn't be delicious first thing in the morning: Get in your CTS and BOOM- hot, fresh Pop-Tarty goodness :D.
Pop Tarts = :vomit:Now if it can do bagels... where do I sign

Pop-Tarts



http://www.ciws.net/images/poptarts.jpg

You misspelled "Trashy Whores."

No frackin' way! I like the new CTS almost as much as my V. But my V also looks worlds better than the plain CTS. You're not talking about the second gen V yet, so if you think a gen 1 CTS looks better than a gen 2 CTS, you're nuts.
Don't think I will be going to BigJim for advice on exterior mod's. I saw the CTS up close and I don't care for the vents in the fender or the chrome strip on the top of the bumper. Don't care much for the back end in general.

Over all I like the Gen I (Is this what we will be calling it?) much better then the Gen II body style.

Now the Interior is nice but I'm with Rick on the Pop Tart Nav screen. Sometimes you need to look at something pratically and ask why would you do something like that. To keep dust off of the screen - I will leave it up the entire time I'm driving anyways and it never seems to get that dirty anyways. With it moving up and down, it would be another reason to bring it into the dealer for service. Coolness and functionality don't outweigh the Dealer factor for me.

Now that I've bitched about the Nav the interior is sweet and I wish mine was this nice.

Unless this thing will have 600 RWHP it would not be worth it to me to upgrade.

paddle shifters, yummy
(4 u L5)

Don't think I will be going to BigJim for advice on exterior mod's. I saw the CTS up close and I don't care for the vents in the fender or the chrome strip on the top of the bumper. Don't care much for the back end in general.

Over all I like the Gen I (Is this what we will be calling it?) much better then the Gen II body style.

Now the Interior is nice but I'm with Rick on the Pop Tart Nav screen. Sometimes you need to look at something pratically and ask why would you do something like that. To keep dust off of the screen - I will leave it up the entire time I'm driving anyways and it never seems to get that dirty anyways. With it moving up and down, it would be another reason to bring it into the dealer for service. Coolness and functionality don't outweigh the Dealer factor for me.

Now that I've bitched about the Nav the interior is sweet and I wish mine was this nice.

Unless this thing will have 600 RWHP it would not be worth it to me to upgrade.I think the current non-V CTS is frumpy and boring, except for the Sport model. I'm just amazed someone would choose an old base CTS over a new one...

Aw, come on.......you can't tell me that his wouldn't be delicious first thing in the morning: Get in your CTS and BOOM- hot, fresh Pop-Tarty goodness :D.

I liked the old A/C vents with the little knob on them. Looks like they are gone.

I hope they get rid of the cheap ass mesh grills on the next V. I keep looking for a CTS sport grill to replace mine.

Pop-Tarts



http://www.ciws.net/images/poptarts.jpg



:zing:

I hope they get rid of the cheap ass mesh grills on the next V. I keep looking for a CTS sport grill to replace mine.

I love my sport grill but I think the V grill looks great; not cheap-looking IMO.

I think the current non-V CTS is frumpy and boring, except for the Sport model. I'm just amazed someone would choose an old base CTS over a new one...
Not picking the Old Base CTS, just stating my likes and dislikes for the new Base CTS.

Good to see your back.

I love my sport grill but I think the V grill looks great; not cheap-looking IMO.
Agreed, Also looks sharp painted to match the car.

Sports Grill looks OK but I do prefer the V grill. It will be interesting to see what they do with the 09 V.

Toaster strudel nav screenTM just doesn't have the same marketing pizazz.

Pop up Nav = one more thing that can break.:banghead:

Toaster strudel nav screenTM

I'm not Photoshopping any other brands of pastry into the nav screen, no matter how much you tempt me.

:p

I liked the old A/C vents with the little knob on them. Looks like they are gone.

Maybe they could put one of those A/C vent knobs on the vent on the fender. :banghead:

I hope that side vent goes away on the V, it looks Eurotrashy.

At least paint it to match the car. Maybe the V will have the A/C vent knobs on the Fender Vent!

I'm not Photoshopping any other brands of pastry into the nav screen, no matter how much you tempt me.

:p

What about TubScott?

Agreed, Also looks sharp painted to match the car.

Sports Grill looks OK but I do prefer the V grill. It will be interesting to see what they do with the 09 V.I love the mesh grilles too. I also think the Sport grille is a big step up on the base models...

What about TubScott?That would be one hell of a screen saver...

dig the blingin ring :p

Oh yes, I forgot about Tonse :lol:

I feel like I'm walking along the precipice, lighthearted about the folly that will certainly befall me should I continue to tempt fate.

I feel like I'm walking along the precipice, lighthearted about the folly that will certainly befall me should I continue to tempt fate.

Hot secretary at work, eh?

Hot secretary at work, eh?Lighthearted and heavy...nevermind.

Tony, you must have some serious eye candy at the dealer, no? When I bought my V, I wanted to dry hump every girl there...or wet hump...or, you know...

We're in the largest retirement community in the Country, so if by "Dry-hump" you mean......


Nevermind.

I love the mesh grilles too. I also think the Sport grille is a big step up on the base models...
Agreed. I liked the rear spoiler so much I put it on my V. I hope they do something like that for the 09 V.

We're in the largest retirement community in the Country, so if by "Dry-hump" you mean......


Nevermind.
At first I was thinking
:beat:

Then I thought well, just having fun
:eek:

or was it more like
:shocked2:

But I think the way I really feel is
:vomit:

Interesting link re the new CTS V:
http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2009-cadillac-cts+v-305315.php

Interesting link re the new CTS V:
http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2009-cadillac-cts+v-305315.php
a little late ;)

Sorry, you'll have to do better to get me off my soapbox. :D

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

With a few mods, I bet you could hide things in there.

With a few mods, I bet you could hide things in there.

like ur dimebag

Smokin' weed and drivin' the V, I thought 1400HP was a bad idea!

Since more power won't be a selling point for me; the '09 has got to do the selling with soul in the interior and exterior.

Having a "pop-tart nav screenTM" is not sexy.

Sorry, you'll have to do better to get me off my soapbox. :D

For my daily driving, the nav is always on in both my GM vehicles. On the Denali, the dash is super low compared to even the V so I'm not automatically buying into "it has to be that way."

Driving around every day with a pop-tart nav screenTM is dumb and I'm the one that will decide with my checkbook whether or not it is sweet to me.

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

pop-tart nav screenTM

Toaster strudel nav screenTM just doesn't have the same marketing pizazz.


No posts for months and now this diatribe on a point that's subjective, polarizing, and picayune?

I call bullshit. Urby, somehow Gothicaleigh has taken control of Rick's old account.

Call this a guess but you like the new nav don't you LawFive?

Meh. It's a non-issue for me. Kinda like the holes in the side.

Smokin' weed and drivin' the V, I thought 1400HP was a bad idea!
better than drinkin and drivin

like ur dimebag

Some emergency money or just put a picture of your girlfriend in there and then pop it up when she is in the car. That should get you some points. I wonder if you could make it an electronic picture frame?

Do people still buy dimebags?

Some emergency money or just put a picture of your girlfriend in there and then pop it up when she is in the car. That should get you some points. I wonder if you could make it an electronic picture frame?

Do people still buy dimebags?

I am sure sales are at an all time high (no pun intended) those years are far in my past.

And the last time I had a picture of my wife in the car was when she was still my girlfriend of only a couple months. Looking at her after work every night is enough for me.

better than drinkin and drivin
Hmmmm. Done both (not in the V!) and I don't think one is any safer then the other.

The weed might explain the steering wheel cover though... :hide:

And the last time I had a picture of my wife in the car was when she was still my girlfriend of only a couple months. Looking at her after work every night is enough for me.
The way I read that was "when the wife IS IN the car have a picture of her pop up but when she is not then the Nav or other goodies".

Brownie points = more mods!

The weed might explain the steering wheel cover though... :hide:

http://cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/misc/notagain.jpg

http://cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/misc/notagain.jpg
Yeah buddy. You have got to expect it. I bought my car with a truck motor in it but you already had a nice steering wheel then put a truck steering wheel cover over it!

Man, you do find some great pic's though.

No posts for months and now this diatribe on a point that's subjective, polarizing, and picayune?

I call bullshit. Urby, somehow Gothicaleigh has taken control of Rick's old account.

It's still a pop tart and no posts for months? What data have you gathered to come to this conclusion?

It's time to make the world a better place to drive and I don't live in a pop tart world. :cowboy:

http://www.ciws.net/images/poptartnav.jpg

Man, you do find some great pic's though.

not as good as Tony or SD

http://www.ciws.net/images/poptartnav.jpg



haha C is driving around with spanktavision on his nav


is that how urby managed to... ya know....

That's not spanktavision, it's a pop-tart nav systemTM with the optional extra tarts package.

Heard the supersize tart package wasn't a big hit in the marketing studies.

What happened to this thread:confused:

Same old thing.

What happened to this thread:confused:

It merged with boredom, speculation, and comedy.

And this one time, at band camp...