So... why?


Is this a trick question? :alchi: :suspense:

There's plenty of good reasons. The coupe will have a shorter wheelbase and be lighter, which equals better handling and acceleration.

a CTS-V coupe; doesnt that equal Corvette? Unless you have to stuff two small children in the back, I dont see the point. CTS backseat is already small, I am sure that is where the shorter wheelbase is going to steal from.

Tony, did they confirm a V-coupe or just a coupe??

Just a CTS coupe. Everyone I have talked to or emailed is in full denial mode of everything V related.

Just a CTS coupe. Everyone I have talked to or emailed is in full denial mode of everything V related.

So the title of this thread is still appropriate: everything that is V related is still a rumor - and anyones' guess is as good as anybody else.

Extremely evasive, almost to the point that I suspected they were not on the "need to know basis" list.

They did absolutely confirm the coupe model is coming soon after the '08, probably as an early '09.

I could have told you that though....and I'm noone. What I'm really wondering about is the wagon with a TDI and AWD, which the body/engine/drivetrain is coming except I don't know when or if I can get that exact config. That would be yummy!


Oh and as far as I know the coupe or wagon is not planned as a V, only the sedan.

I could have told you that though....and I'm noone.

Well sure, but until now I haven't heard it from the horse's mouth. I could tell you what the next V is, but until I've had it confirmed I don't make declarative statements.

"The less often a man makes declarative statements, the less likely he is to look foolish in retrospect."
-Chester Rush

I've touched it though.....but I know exactly what you mean. :D

a CTS-V coupe; doesnt that equal Corvette? Unless you have to stuff two small children in the back, I dont see the point. CTS backseat is already small, I am sure that is where the shorter wheelbase is going to steal from.

A CTS-V Coupe would be called a GTO.

A CTS-V Coupe would be called a GTO.

haha, thats true...

GM has done a great job keeping the real goods from leaking out. There has been more leaked about the super vette than the V. I think GM will get it right this time. I think to myself the current car kicks ass now add more of everything and whammo American super-sedan:thumbsup: I'm in love already:)

"The less often a man makes declarative statements, the less likely he is to look foolish in retrospect."
-Chester Rush

Isn't that there a declarative sentence?

a CTS-V coupe; doesnt that equal Corvette? Unless you have to stuff two small children in the back, I dont see the point. CTS backseat is already small, I am sure that is where the shorter wheelbase is going to steal from.The CTS back seat is certainly not small. Maybe small compared to a Town Car or 300 but it is plenty big for a sport sedan.

Do we have dimensions for the coupe vs. sedan? Because many coupes ride on the same wheelbase. The coupe will most likely have a smaller backseat but I doubt it will be unusable for adults. There is plenty of demand for a coupe...although I will probably go for another sedan...

I dunno... I LOVE the idea of a coupe. I hope they make one V-style. :bouncy:

We know you like Koooops, but you promised to keep that quiet.

Hey, I live in San Francisco 5/7ths of the time now. I'm not staying in the closet any longer, you brute!

I dunno... I LOVE the idea of a coupe. I hope they make one V-style. :bouncy:

:thumbsup:

The CTS back seat is certainly not small. Maybe small compared to a Town Car or 300 but it is plenty big for a sport sedan.

Do we have dimensions for the coupe vs. sedan? Because many coupes ride on the same wheelbase. The coupe will most likely have a smaller backseat but I doubt it will be unusable for adults. There is plenty of demand for a coupe...although I will probably go for another sedan...

i suppose it is not small, compared to my maxima it has less legroom for sure...

comparing coupe with sedan, i know the accord and G coupes both have significantly tighter back seats than their sedan counterparts. could be different with the CTS though. i'm just saying...

Well sure, but until now I haven't heard it from the horse's mouth. I could tell you what the next V is, but until I've had it confirmed I don't make declarative statements.



Anyone who has been following this thread knows you have revealed some good stuff already.

For the record still, I agree with Tony's prediction from day one.

For the record still, I agree with Tony's prediction from day one.

you're just saying that because anyone who crosses Tony mysteriously disappears...

Fugedabout it.

Fugedabout it.I won't feed the bears, Tony ummkay?

you're just saying that because anyone who crosses Tony mysteriously disappears...

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I won't feed the bears, Tony ummkay?

Keep checking back- it changes automatically.

you're just saying that because anyone who crosses Tony mysteriously disappears...


In Tony we trust.

Tony and Florian both see privy to the good poop.

Haha... privy... poop... I slay me. :rofl:

:yawn:

Hey, if transformerboy can have JimmyH, why can't I get Trademarked?

Hey, if transformerboy can have JimmyH, why can't I get Trademarked?

i had to drop my last name due to all the stalkers wantin a piece o me...

oh, uh, ummm, no, they wanted my car, not me, yeah, that's what it wuzz....

hay urb, trademark thebigjimsho™ before he :crybaby: then he can rule all over us with his :bighead:


thebigjimsho™
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Oh hey Jimmy. Did you ask about the tires? :RightTurn:

Hey, if transformerboy can have JimmyH, why can't I get Trademarked?

hay urb, trademark thebigjimsho™ before he :crybaby: then he can rule all over us with his :bighead:


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TBJS, you want that change?

TBJS, you want that change?Yeah! Trademark me, man!

oh dear god...

Oh hey Jimmy. Did you ask about the tires? :RightTurn:

no, dammit, i forgot to bring my "assets" :bang2:

Yeah! Trademark me, man!

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Saw the '09 today in all its glory. All I can say is, :thumbsup:.

Saw the '09 today in all its glory. All I can say is, :thumbsup:.You saw the '08...

If you saw the '09 V, I'm hunting you down and kidnapping you...

Here is one on the nav system.

Don't expect the newer navs to be disc based.

Will be a hard drive or flash ram with information downloaded through the ONSTAR service.

You saw the '08...

If you saw the '09 V, I'm hunting you down and kidnapping you...

:getaway: :hide:

Here is one on the nav system.

Don't expect the newer navs to be disc based.

Will be a hard drive or flash ram with information downloaded through the ONSTAR service.

Yeah and you'll be able to record and rewind live radio like TIVO. :)

They actually haven't decided how updates will be handled yet. It may be a reflash through TIS2 web, a DVD flash, or OnStar- they just aren't sure yet.

If everyone's that hungry for Nav info, here's a few other choice bits that will surely apply to the V as well as the regular CTS:

-Radio buffering will store up to 60 minutes of radio temporarily (meaning you can't save it). Say you're listening to a talk show and have to stop for gas. While the car is off, the HDD will continue recording the station that was on. When you start the car back up, you can hit rewind and go back the the point where you left off. When you get to a commercial on your recording, you can go "live" and catch back up, just like a TiVO or DVR.

-The 40GB HDD will also allow you to rip individual songs or entire CDs to the HDD permanently, and uses Gracenote software to organize iPod style playlists that allow you to sort by artist, song, album, genre, etc... You can rip CDs while listening to the radio, and an onscreen progress bar shows your download progress. iPod music purchased through the iTunes store can't be ripped to the HDD, but files you manually added to the iPod from your CD collection or PC can.

-USB hookups under the armrest on cars with the Uplevel nav system allow hookup of not only an iPod, but any USB device with music on it. The device is controlled by the touchscreen.

I'm happy to answer any other questions about equipment if you've got 'em. Most of the optional features should be standard on the V, just like the current generation.

what will it do when i say "beer"?

They actually haven't decided how updates will be handled yet. It may be a reflash through TIS2 web, a DVD flash, or OnStar- they just aren't sure yet.

If everyone's that hungry for Nav info, here's a few other choice bits that will surely apply to the V as well as the regular CTS:

-Radio buffering will store up to 60 minutes of radio temporarily (meaning you can't save it). Say you're listening to a talk show and have to stop for gas. While the car is off, the HDD will continue recording the station that was on. When you start the car back up, you can hit rewind and go back the the point where you left off. When you get to a commercial on your recording, you can go "live" and catch back up, just like a TiVO or DVR.

-The 40GB HDD will also allow you to rip individual songs or entire CDs to the HDD permanently, and uses Gracenote software to organize iPod style playlists that allow you to sort by artist, song, album, genre, etc... You can rip CDs while listening to the radio, and an onscreen progress bar shows your download progress. iPod music purchased through the iTunes store can't be ripped to the HDD, but files you manually added to the iPod from your CD collection or PC can.

-USB hookups under the armrest on cars with the Uplevel nav system allow hookup of not only an iPod, but any USB device with music on it. The device is controlled by the touchscreen.

I'm happy to answer any other questions about equipment if you've got 'em. Most of the optional features should be standard on the V, just like the current generation.
Please tell me we will be able to use all this great stuff while moving....:bigroll:

Sorting through music is doable while moving. Pretty much the only thing that can't be accessed while driving is entering a Nav destination.

That will be available as soon as Lawyers become extinct.

Why is it other cars can access the nav while moving but we can't . :confused: Just seems a little silly. Hope there is a unlock loop hole soon after the car is released. :)

what will it do when i say "beer"?
urb = lol

what will it do when i say "beer"?'

*extremely condescending female voice*

"System does not recognize this command"

They actually haven't decided how updates will be handled yet. It may be a reflash through TIS2 web, a DVD flash, or OnStar- they just aren't sure yet.

If everyone's that hungry for Nav info, here's a few other choice bits that will surely apply to the V as well as the regular CTS:

-Radio buffering will store up to 60 minutes of radio temporarily (meaning you can't save it). Say you're listening to a talk show and have to stop for gas. While the car is off, the HDD will continue recording the station that was on. When you start the car back up, you can hit rewind and go back the the point where you left off. When you get to a commercial on your recording, you can go "live" and catch back up, just like a TiVO or DVR.

-The 40GB HDD will also allow you to rip individual songs or entire CDs to the HDD permanently, and uses Gracenote software to organize iPod style playlists that allow you to sort by artist, song, album, genre, etc... You can rip CDs while listening to the radio, and an onscreen progress bar shows your download progress. iPod music purchased through the iTunes store can't be ripped to the HDD, but files you manually added to the iPod from your CD collection or PC can.

-USB hookups under the armrest on cars with the Uplevel nav system allow hookup of not only an iPod, but any USB device with music on it. The device is controlled by the touchscreen.

I'm happy to answer any other questions about equipment if you've got 'em. Most of the optional features should be standard on the V, just like the current generation.That's like us complaining about 400hp and getting 1,500hp. Or like going from a glass rear end to a clay one...

will there be a sybian somewhere?

That's like us complaining about 400hp and getting 1,500hp. Or like going from a glass rear end to a clay one...

I have been nothing but pleasantly surprised at the level of technology on the new CTS. Cadillac finally stopped screwing around and is doing it right. :thumbsup:

will there be a sybian somewhere?They turn 40 and their minds turn to the gutter...

will there be a sybian somewhere?

You can get your own. They are available online but might be kind of expensive. I think it would make some people very uneasy if they came with the car from the factory. http://www.siberianbrides.com/












Oh, you didn't say Siberian did you? My bad. :thepan:

I was down at my local Dildo Emporium one day (What? I was researching for a paper I'm writing....), and they had a Sybian on display there.

I turned that thing on, and I swear- any Woman who rides one of those things will never be able to be pleased by a man again. Ever. It almost shook my fillings out, and I wasn't even touching it! :eek:

Bored at work, so here's some more random nifty facts about the '08 CTS that will also apply to the V:

-Adaptive forward lighting steers the headlights up to 15deg. depending on steering input, just like the XLR. This really has to be seen at night to appreciate- it's awesome.

-When switching between screens on the Navigation radio (like from XM to Nav, or back again) the screens "fade" into each other, sort of like Windows Vista. Another "gotta see it to appreciate it", but it looks wicked.

-The seam where the roof meets the side of the body is no longer covered by the big strip of plastic that runs the length of the roof. 2008 models use "Lazer Brazing" to join the two panels- once it's painted, you can't even see the joint, which leaves a smooth transition with no molding required. The windshield also no longer has a molding, which takes balls to do. You can hide a lot of fitment issues with moldings, so Cadillac must be pretty confident in their assembly process to use exposed edge of glass on the windshield.

-Battery is now in the trunk (presumably for weight distribution), over on the passenger side behind a cover.

-Rear A/C vents for the kiddies and back seat passengers (finally!)

-"E-Z Key" system is like a cross between the STS and a regular key. The car unlocks just by pulling the door handle if you're carrying the fob in your pocket, but instead of a pushbutton on the dash, there's a chrome "key" permanently sticking out of the ignition on the steering column. You depress the brake and twist this to start the car. According to the engineers, they felt that the "turning the key" was an important bond between a driver and sports car, and that's why it was chosen over a pushbutton. (I'm still wondering how many broken windows we'll see because a thief thinks the key is left in it.....we'll see.)


That's about all I can think of right now. Yeah, it's no V info, but since all these goodies should be included on the V it half counts. :)

Cadillac Tony, are you even half as awesome as The Tony Show?

I don't know, he sets a pretty high standard for coolness.

:D

(pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!)

there's a chrome "key" permanently sticking out of the ignition on the steering column.

I REALLY dislike that idea. I can already guarantee there will be stupid thieves who mistake that for the actual key. I foresee lots of '08 CTS with broken windows.

Are we seeing the end of the traditional key? Call me old fashioned, but I really dislike this whole pushbutton (or fixed knob) starting thing. And as for the electronic fob, what if I walk past my car (for whatever reason) and it unlocks the car as I walk past, and fails to lock it when I walk away? And worst of all, what happens when the battery dies in the fob, and now with no key, how the hell do I get in the car?

Are we seeing the end of the traditional key? Call me old fashioned, but I really dislike this whole pushbutton (or fixed knob) starting thing. And as for the electronic fob, what if I walk past my car (for whatever reason) and it unlocks the car as I walk past, and fails to lock it when I walk away? And worst of all, what happens when the battery dies in the fob, and now with no key, how the hell do I get in the car?
You sit there and cry.

(pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!)

:rofl: :highfive:

Are we seeing the end of the traditional key? Call me old fashioned, but I really dislike this whole pushbutton (or fixed knob) starting thing. And as for the electronic fob, what if I walk past my car (for whatever reason) and it unlocks the car as I walk past, and fails to lock it when I walk away? And worst of all, what happens when the battery dies in the fob, and now with no key, how the hell do I get in the car?


The car doesn't lock and unlock based on your proximity. When someone actually pulls the Driver's door handle, it does a quick check to see if the fob is within 3 feet of the door and if it is, unlocks. There is a keyhole on the driver's door for a slim emergency key that's built into the keyfob (It's pretty slick)

As far as locking, when the last door is closed the car polls for the keyfob with an antenna mounted inside the car. If the fob is no longer in the interior, it locks the doors after 5 seconds. If the last door is closed and the fob is still inside the car, the horn sounds three times to let you know that the car is not going to lock itself. This is to prevent the car from being unknowingly left unlocked if your fob were to slip out of your pocket while driving.

Each time you start the car it takes a reading of the fob battery. If low, it gives you a "Fob Battery Low" warning on the DIC every time you start the car, basically annoying you until you change the battery. In the event the fob just totally dies out of nowhere, all the Cadillacs with the keyless access have a "failsafe" slot that you can put the keyfob in to start the car, even if the battery is dead as a doornail.

They've covered their bases with this system. I was skeptical when the XLR first got it in 2004, but it's worked flawlessly on that, the STS and now the CTS. It's a well designed piece of technology.

Thanks Tony for clearing things up. I also had similar concerns about the key...:thumbsup: NOW if we could get some info on the 09V that would be great...

The car doesn't lock and unlock based on your proximity. When someone actually pulls the Driver's door handle, it does a quick check to see if the fob is within 3 feet of the door and if it is, unlocks. There is a keyhole on the driver's door for a slim emergency key that's built into the keyfob (It's pretty slick)

As far as locking, when the last door is closed the car polls for the keyfob with an antenna mounted inside the car. If the fob is no longer in the interior, it locks the doors after 5 seconds. If the last door is closed and the fob is still inside the car, the horn sounds three times to let you know that the car is not going to lock itself. This is to prevent the car from being unknowingly left unlocked if your fob were to slip out of your pocket while driving.

Each time you start the car it takes a reading of the fob battery. If low, it gives you a "Fob Battery Low" warning on the DIC every time you start the car, basically annoying you until you change the battery. In the event the fob just totally dies out of nowhere, all the Cadillacs with the keyless access have a "failsafe" slot that you can put the keyfob in to start the car, even if the battery is dead as a doornail.

They've covered their bases with this system. I was skeptical when the XLR first got it in 2004, but it's worked flawlessly on that, the STS and now the CTS. It's a well designed piece of technology.
What about theives mistaking it for the actual key? They walk by and see a key in the ignition for a brand new Caddy...

As I said a few posts ago, that's one of the concerns I raised with the product team.

It doesn't actually look exactly like a key- it's a raised chrome and rubber "fin" (picture an oven knob like this one- I know....:rolleyes:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/Firebomba/Oven_Knob.jpg



I still think it looks enough like a key to attract a few overeager theives, so I suppose only time will tell.

I sat in the '08 yesterday and I know what you mean by the way it looks. However, to someone uneducated about the CTS they may think it still looks like a key. :(

Ths was posted on GMInsidenews a couple weeks ago. Suprised no one has commented.

SCORECARD! SCORECARD! YOU CAN’T TELL THE PLAYERS WITHOUT A SCORECARD!!!!!!!!

Ok if I read all the above correctly this is what I come up with.

The 09 CTS-V will get the LSA motor not the LS-7 motor.

The LSA, and LS8 and LS9 are all based off the LS3 except that these three engines are all supercharged.

The LSA is estimated 500-525 hp.

The LS8 is alledged to be in the 480hp neighborhood. Maybe a little more.
Look for the top end Camaro to get this motor as well as other zetas. Might even see it in a truck at some point.

LS9 is the 600+ HP monster.

The LS7 is dying in the near future as it is too expensive to build and cannot be Supercharged due to design.


Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, assuming that the above is all true and correct then I only have one question. What is the difference between a LSA motor and an LS9 motor and can an LSA motor be turned into an LS9 motor without removing it from the car, i.e. is the long block the same?


noelvm

Do these GMInside guys have a better handle on the '09 rumors than we do??? :worship: Or are they still a little off....:stirpot:

Originally Posted by JimmyH
....what if I walk past my car (for whatever reason) and it unlocks the car as I walk past, and fails to lock it when I walk away? And worst of all, what happens when the battery dies in the fob, and now with no key, how the hell do I get in the car?

You sit there and cry.

...just like you did when you found out Tranformers weren't real.

...just like you did when you found out Tranformers weren't real.Just don't tell me dorky guys can't get the hot chicks or else I'm gonna cry...:crybaby::thepan::bouncy:

...just like you did when you found out Tranformers weren't real.

Just don't tell me dorky guys can't get the hot chicks or else I'm gonna cry...:crybaby::thepan::bouncy:

I am a dorky guy who got (someone who use to be before she got older and had two kids) a hot chick...


And I am still holding out hope that one day my V is going to jump up and turn into a robot.
http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/sig/ctstf.gif

Just don't tell me dorky guys can't get the hot chicks or else I'm gonna cry...:crybaby::thepan::bouncy:

This is a question for Lawfive.

This is a question for Lawfive.

or thebigjimsho

Ths was posted on GMInsidenews a couple weeks ago. Suprised no one has commented.



Do these GMInside guys have a better handle on the '09 rumors than we do??? :worship: Or are they still a little off....:stirpot:

The GMInside news forum is just now posting things we posted months ago. One of them even cited one of my posts here as a source.

They know less than we do.

Are we seeing the end of the traditional key? Call me old fashioned, but I really dislike this whole pushbutton (or fixed knob) starting thing. And as for the electronic fob, what if I walk past my car (for whatever reason) and it unlocks the car as I walk past, and fails to lock it when I walk away? And worst of all, what happens when the battery dies in the fob, and now with no key, how the hell do I get in the car?

My '99 C5 had "passive Entry", which was a little slide switch on the back of the keyfob that would automagically unlock the doors when you came close enough to the car. It was great, but what always pi$$ed me off about it was that it was only half baked - you still had to pull the keys out of your pocket to start the car normally, and honestly where do you want to be pulling the keys out of your pocket - when you're standing outside next to it, or when you've already dropped your a$$ into the driver's seat? Seemed very "half baked" to me, and what was missing was a pushbutton or permanant dial for starting the car.
The way that system saved the keyfob battery was that there was a little piezoelectric motion switch in the key, so if you were moving the fob and the car queried the fob, it would unlock the doors. The cool thing about this (since no Onstar in Vette's until the C6) was that if you locked your keys in the car, you only had to grab it in the wheel wells and shake it and it would unlock the doors for you. I used to leave my keys in it on purpose when I went mountain biking, so I couldn't possibly lose them. only thing I was worried about was it unlocking if someone towed it, but if that happened I was screwed anyway. :-D
I guess they did away with passive entry after only a year or two because of some customer complaints, but I used it all the time and never had any issues whatsoever - it was pretty cool.

-B

The old passive entry system sucked balls. The new one probably does to but I haven't had the chance to suffer through it's operation. Since Real Estate is so slow I don't expect to have a chance to try it anytime soon!

^^ Likes to post about sucking balls

The old passive entry system sucked balls. The new one probably does to but I haven't had the chance to suffer through it's operation.

Actually, I had an '05 STS for a little over a year and enjoyed the keyless access/keyless go- I miss it on my CTS-V.

I will say however, that if the new CTS-V sucks balls then I'm definitely getting one. :D

I know a guy with a Mazdaspeed6, his keyless keyfob is larger in width and length than a credit card, and about 1/4 inch thick. That would be a deal breaker for me; no way I would carry around that clunky-ass thing.

^^ Dislikes clunky-ass things. :alchi:

^^ Likes to post about sucking balls

^^ Dislikes clunky-ass things. :alchi:

^^not very good at keeping their threads straight (and so probably not good with fasteners and tools and such)

or thebigjimshoJust for you Jimmy!!



JI_3fGprHD8

You all know I have had both the regular key and the fob/button push start. There is no question in my mind the fob/button is far superior. If I want to connect with the car, I'll do it once I put it in gear not when I am firing it up.

I love the fob, just put it in your pocket and forget it. Just the fact that you can walk away and the car locks itself is so underrated, it really is a great feature.

Just for you Jimmy!!



JI_3fGprHD8

waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy outta my league....



what happened to the TM? patent office refuse you?

waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy outta my league....



what happened to the TM? patent office refuse you?Lord Cadillac refused me. There is no way to log in with the ™...

Oh well. Did you say hi to my alter-ego???

Lord Cadillac refused me. There is no way to log in with the ™...

Oh well. Did you say hi to my alter-ego???

i was the one who fixed you :mad3:

Lord Cadillac refused me. There is no way to log in with the ™...

not even with copy and paste?

Oh well. Did you say hi to my alter-ego???

no, didnt figure that one out yet, gimme a hint

i was the one who fixed you :mad3:

urbanfixski

Attn: my 09 V rumor is better than your SRT period :poop:

i was the one who fixed you :mad3:Yes you did, thank you. Why are you so mad.



Hey, cut and paste may be a good idea. Urby, wanna switch me back???

Hey, cut and paste may be a good idea. Urby, wanna switch me back???


:stirpot:

no, didnt figure that one out yet, gimme a hintNo hints. In case I really piss someone off, I need it to fall back on...

No hints. In case I really piss someone off, I need it to fall back on...

hmmm, got some detective work to do....:bighead:


am i the only one here with only one login?

Yes you did, thank you. Why are you so mad.



Hey, cut and paste may be a good idea. Urby, wanna switch me back???

:lol:

i'm gonna switch you to something :p....

:lol:

i'm gonna switch you to something :p....

thelittlejimsho

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theshoshow

Dear Diary,

Some new CTS-V rumors would be nice.

theshoshow

This is SO WRONG!



That's *thesloshow* to you.

:thepan:




WW

what does :harumph: mean?

no harumphing

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Courtesy of "Urban Dictionary" (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=harumph)

So we are resorting to talking about harumph?

GM, help us please................Urby is harumphing us.

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What do you think the Cadillac's advertising campaign is going to be regarding performance? How about 0-60 in 4.3sec and the 1/4 in 12.5@116mph. :)That sounds nice for a stock 09V. Am I close ?:confused: Should we expect more?

So we are resorting to talking about harumph?

GM, help us please................Urby is harumphing us.

We should write a letter to GM asking them to release info. about the new V to the CadillacOwners CTS-V forum first. We will be purchasing the first round of these cars. Why wouldn't they.

We should write a letter to GM asking them to release info. about the new V to the CadillacOwners CTS-V forum first. We will be purchasing the first round of these cars. Why wouldn't they.

See your avatar :rolleyes:

See your avatar :rolleyes:

There was a puppy in the road.

There was a puppy in the road.How about a black bear? Like the one that jumped out in front of me in NH yesterday...

We should write a letter to GM asking them to release info. about the new V to the CadillacOwners CTS-V forum first. We will be purchasing the first round of these cars. Why wouldn't they.


Tried it already, actually.

I'll give you three guesses how well that went over.

Tried it already, actually.

I'll give you three guesses how well that went over.

They told you to go harumph yourself?

I am currently harumphing myself while waiting for more juicy V rumours; it has been a while; somebody must have something...

the ever changing thread title, the only problem is no one's V rumour has beat up anyone else's in weeks...

They told you to go harumph yourself?

Pretty much.

Jimmy- It's always quietest just before the storm. The info will be public soon enough, and then we can transform* this into a thread where we all complain about what we don't like about the new V.







(See how I snuck a Transformers joke in there? Hahahahahaaaa.......)

The info will be public soon enough, and then we can transform* this into a thread where we all complain about what we don't like about the new V.

Truer words have never been spoken..err.. typed.









loved the joke, i guess it will be a while before the transformers identity seeps away

psst...why is everyone whispering all of the sudden?

because we did not want to attact the attention of thebigjimsh......ooops

LOL... I searched through five pages of threads for the V rumor thread, before starting over and noticing the name change on page 1. LOL@me, hahaha.

HEY, why am I shouting?

:nana2:

why were you searching for the V rumour thread? there are no more rumours to read

i have spelled "wierd" wrong since 6th grade, when i spelt it wrong and lost a spelling bee.

Weird.

i have spelled "wierd" wrong since 6th grade, when i spelt it wrong and lost a spelling bee.

Be glad it wasn't an Africanized Bee.......

Be glad it wasn't an Africanized Bee.......

i hate yellowjackets

Want new juicy tidbits? Here's the powerplant...

Interesting use for an STS.....

I have photos of the diff too... :)

Haha....that quieted down the peanut gallery, didn't it?

:thumbsup:

Still unsure about the jackshaft style Supercharger.....more pulleys = more stuff to fail. I'd prefer a single front pulley with the intake plumbing routed around back like the STS-V, especially in light of all the problems Magnuson has been having lately.

So it's an LS....what?

The answer is A.

There are lots of bulletproof Maggies out there; you just don't hear about them - only the whiners. No pun intended.

i hate yellowjackets

easy there cowboy. stick to wasps or something.:thumbsup:

No intercooler?

I just saw the new CTS commercial for the first time. The V is gonna look sick.
No fogs. All intake. BIG BLACK HOLES!!! Like these:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/def/Ferrari-Enzo-Front-Track.htm

I'm sure its already been said. I only read the 1st 10 pages of this thread. I'll check in when the thread name changes again.

No intercooler?

I'm talking out my ass probably - but look closer under the jackshaft. Is it just me or is there a hose and clamp aka intercooler plumbing?

WW

Edit: That's a current V with an MP122, IMHO. Maybe not. Just awfully familiar under the hood. Battery cover different...but LS2? Fuel lines and fuel rails different than I'm accustomed to. Different engine harness. Very similar coolant plumbing. Different (radiator?). Jackshaft sits up higher. Strange looking TB. OK - so it is an LS(guess) in a current generation V with a different wiring harness and front clip. :stirpot:

Wait - 2 hood struts. Airbox is factory but a one off (cut and glued together around the face?). Block/heads seem to sit low in the frame. Evap/Emissions lines are factory looking and running nice and tidy - but not factory tidy.

And there's no way in hell this car will come without some sort of garbage can lid.

Rick - is this another tractor experiment or modified snow runner from your meth lab?

WW

Dual belt tensioners (one down by the alternator). Whoops - alternator is up top now. Must be power steering down below.


OK - so this is a mule. Come clean rear diff man - where's the other pic?

WW

'09 V powertrain mule? Hmm? :alchi:

Want new juicy tidbits? Here's the powerplant...

Looks like an STS to me. :bigroll:

Penetration is key...

So it's an LS....what?

Seems to be an LS3, if we're to go solely by the filename of the picture.
"34385d1187301692-go-harumph-yourself-blownls3.jpg"

Sorry to say it - but if this is all the General has under the hood for the next V - I'm out. Been there, done that (sort of).

WW

Like I said already- it's an STS.

If that is indeed an '09 CTS-V Engine (:halo:), it's in an STS body.

easy there cowboy. stick to wasps or something.:thumbsup:

yeah, no reason to hate yellowjackets...they're harmless. :lildevil:

'08 CTSs arrived today. Here's some pictures of the diff (specifically the attachment points), as requested by Lawfive and others. Looks like there's quite a few additional attachment points, and some beefier bushings to help fight deflection back there.

The biggest improvement I see is that it's now secured on different planes (up + down and side to side) in addition to the current front to back bushings. As any supercharger designer knows, the proper way to prevent deflection under load is to secure on all three planes.

Enjoy!

nice

So is it possible to retrofit that rear cradle and diff into our V's?

Also, How about the front seats?
It would be cool if we could swap those out too.

Wow... Thre is an hour I will never get back... On to the porn...

Yummy! Gonna have to swing on down to Olsen Cadillac and take a look-see!

Better. Thanks Tony.

When does some enterprising young investigator 'Stealthily' discover what kind of torque it's rated for? Hmmmmmm??

I hope that differential is made to last. Because it looks like a relatively complicated (expensive) unit to replace.

Better. Thanks Tony.

When does some enterprising young investigator 'Stealthily' discover what kind of torque it's rated for? Hmmmmmm??

It's a Getrag model 646. Checked their website and it's not listed there (yet). The current CTS has the 645 model so at least it's a higher number. :bigroll:

This is the picture I'm most reassured by:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/34560d1187791914-go-harumph-yourself-blownls3-jpg-100_0510.jpg

The front end of the current rear cradle lifts up into the underbody on hard acceleration and is the primary cause of the wheelhop. The reason I took that picture is to show the revised bushing placement. The current bushing acts like a fulcrum at the halfway point of the front cradle arm, whereas the new one is positioned about 90% to the front, which should effectively eliminate the cradle rotation and wheelhop.

If the cradle can maintain its angle under launches it will eliminate the change in pinion angle and destruction of rear ends, so the torque rating on the diff will basically be inconsequential.

Awesome.

Is the new V coming this fall???
I thought it was coming fall 2008.

The new V will be a 2009 model- don't expect it until next year.

The new V will be a 2009 model- don't expect it until next year.
Whew... I need a little more time to save. Thanks Tony.

just a small tidbit. I heard he '09 will still use a dual mass flywheel, but it will have a lower inertia than the current V. The clutch engagement should be much improved too. :o)

Fall '08

Fall '08
For the V? That's the first time I've heard this...

On a different note: Supposedly '08 CTS cars are shipping to dealers, but the Caddy web site still has the 2007 as the default CTS selection. Wassup wit dat?

Gotta sell off those 2007's first. Once the '08 inventory is at decent levels, they'll push the '07 off the front page and start really marketing the '08s.

Believe it or not, not everyone is as savvy as us. A lot of shoppers are oblivious to the fact the CTS is changing, and those are the people who will buy the '07s (them or the bargain hunters).

Had to post because I've become enamored with the 2008 CTS. I will have to decide whether to trade the E55 for a CTS or wait a year for the CTS-V. My wife needs an automatic. Any confirmation on Auto for the V or not? Nothing I could do can convince her to drive a manual.:helpless:

Gotta sell off those 2007's first. Once the '08 inventory is at decent levels, they'll push the '07 off the front page and start really marketing the '08s.

Believe it or not, not everyone is as savvy as us. A lot of shoppers are oblivious to the fact the CTS is changing, and those are the people who will buy the '07s (them or the bargain hunters).

Thanks Cadillac Tony, for the pics and insight. Something to chew on. I'm dying for any tid bit :thumbsup:

I don't think anyone knows for SURE, but I do believe there will be an automatic. It wouldn't hurt to wait a year anyway - more money to put down and lesser payments.. I'd wait.. I really 'think' there's going to be an automatic...

"The 2009 CTS-V will have four wheels covered by pneumatic tires for contact with the road."

"Suspended by hydraulic shocks and stopped by a hydraulic braking system." "Engine and transmission to be connected via a hydraulic clutch (or hydro-turbine torque converter for the old men and wussies.)"

I hope not...

As far as the wife goes, just slap her on the ass and put her in a mini-van where she belongs. :D

GM / Cadillac have not confirmed any real details on the car at this point. However with this design they have been able to plan for a V version from the start which means they could make sure the frame could support an auto transmission to make it an option. Let's face it, the more cars they can sell the better Cadillac will like it and there has certainly been some potential customers who did not consider the car because the current design was a manual only. The CTS-V has proven it can sell in it's current limited numbers of production, so providing an auto option for the 09 will simply mean more sales for a wider customer base. I would be extremely suprised if the 09 did not come with an auto option as well as the manual.

Like others had mentioned I would wait a few months, we should hear some solid details by the Detroit auto show after the first of the year.

I don't think anyone knows for SURE, but I do believe there will be an automatic. It wouldn't hurt to wait a year anyway - more money to put down and lesser payments.. I'd wait.. I really 'think' there's going to be an automatic...

There IS going to be an automatic offered in the 2009 CTS-V.

Definitely.

For those considering the slushbox - Sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your manhood.

For those considering the slushbox - Sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your manhood.

According to Playboy magazine, real men don't mind having their gears shifted for them.

I hope not...

As far as the wife goes, just slap her on the ass and put her in a mini-van where she belongs. :D

O...rly???? :thepan: :thepan:

:burn:

For those considering the slushbox - Sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your manhood.
Meh.

This just in: Rick refuses to take money for tunes on CTS-Vs equipped with an automatic transmission. :lol:

There IS going to be an automatic offered in the 2009 CTS-V.

Definitely.

6L80 is my bet.


F

For those considering the slushbox - Sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your manhood.

SV -

If you can't have a real man's car (i.e. dedicated track car) and have to convince yourself that your Taur...err...daily driver is a *track car* then I'd agree with you.

Otherwise :canttalk:

About six weeks ago I had a unique job offer developing new supercharger technology. When I found out it would be marketed to both the domestic V8 crowd and ricers I politely stated rice was against my religion.

Slushbox vs. rockcrusher. Which would you truly rather have? :thehand:

i am currently harumphing myself at the thought of a slushbox V

Mmmm... slushbox V...

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6L80 is my bet.


F

Not so slushy.

Not so slushy.My sources tell me that in addition to custom tailoring your V to have an automatic, other options will be added in the automatic checkbox. Here's the list...




Plush velour seating surfaces.
Woven curtains.
Whitewall tires.
Airbag suspension.
Column shifter.
Front bench seats.
Special Edition Prince Purple Paint.

What no Vinyl Roof option? This is an outrage!

Vogue Tyres
Carriage Lights
Gold Emblems
Chrome wheel well accents
Simulated spare tire trunk lid

My sources tell me that in addition to custom tailoring your V to have an automatic, other options will be added in the automatic checkbox. Here's the list...




Plush velour seating surfaces.
Woven curtains.
Whitewall tires.
Airbag suspension.
Column shifter.
Front bench seats.
Special Edition Prince Purple Paint.

I misses teh front bench seats. Vinyl. Armor All them babies, pick up the gf, first hard right turn and she slides right on over to ya. Automatic girl!

Sorry guyz, I is immune to your jibes. Having mixed my own gears for the last three years, I'm ready for an automatic during the work week.

Bring on the slushbox! :bouncy:

SV -

If you can't have a real man's car (i.e. dedicated track car) and have to convince yourself that your Taur...err...daily driver is a *track car* then I'd agree with you.

Otherwise :canttalk:

Agree completely. The CTS-V is for my wife and I'll never take my wife's car on the track for two reasons:

#1 She needs it to tote the kids and the groceries

#2 A 500 rwhp/500 rwtq track toy
http://www.chinmotorsports.com/gallery/2007_05_Sebring/L/CHIN%20Sebring%20May%205-6,%202007%20DL%20-%2016%20064%20(Medium).jpg

Agree completely. The CTS-V is for my wife and I'll never take my wife's car on the track for two reasons:

#1 She needs it to tote the kids and the groceries

#2 A 500 rwhp/500 rwtq track toy
http://www.chinmotorsports.com/gallery/2007_05_Sebring/L/CHIN%20Sebring%20May%205-6,%202007%20DL%20-%2016%20064%20%28Medium%29.jpgWeak! Almost as weak as an auto tranny CTS-V...:bouncy:

Agree completely. The CTS-V is for my wife and I'll never take my wife's car on the track for two reasons:

#1 She needs it to tote the kids and the groceries

#2 A 500 rwhp/500 rwtq track toy
http://www.chinmotorsports.com/gallery/2007_05_Sebring/L/CHIN%20Sebring%20May%205-6,%202007%20DL%20-%2016%20064%20(Medium).jpg

Hey Dr Chill, do you live in South Florida? I could swear I have seen your corvette at Wash and Wax on Northlake Blvd in West Palm Beach?

SV -

If you can't have a real man's car (i.e. dedicated track car) and have to convince yourself that your Taur...err...daily driver is a *track car* then I'd agree with you.

Otherwise :canttalk:
:yawn:So you sold your V so you could run rice power on the track.
You also choose to run slushbox rice on the street.
That's cool for you. :thumbsup:

:owned2:

Hey Dr Chill, do you live in South Florida? I could swear I have seen your corvette at Wash and Wax on Northlake Blvd in West Palm Beach?

Yes, I live in Palm Beach Gardens and do go to Wash and Wax World every now and then. Usually to get the bug residue off after a trip to Sebring.

Weak! Almost as weak as an auto tranny CTS-V...:bouncy:
Meh. Overcompensators...

I'll never track the '09, which given where I live and the kind of street driving I do would be the only argument for staying with a stick.

I say again: one hand on the wheel, one hand on the girl. :cool:

Meh. Overcompensators...

I'll never track the '09, which given where I live and the kind of street driving I do would be the only argument for staying with a stick.

I say again: one hand on the wheel, one hand on the girl. :cool:If you can convince yourself whatever you've got there is a girl, then more power to you...:thepan:

Oooo, I forgot how nasty you g@y guys can get! Bitch!!

Oooo, I forgot how nasty you g@y guys can get! Bitch!!So, tell us again why you keep transporting yourself to and fro San Francisco...

??? work


Oh, I get it. The vociferous g@y contingent resides in San Francisco, so by association I must be g@y. Nope, I'm a breeder, Sweetie! Good one, though.

Hey, I was born in SFO....AND Im not ghey....really---you savage!


F

Lawfive+405+clutch=rotting knee cartilage

(Florian in OH has no excuse)

I say again: one hand on the wheel, one hand on the girl. :cool:

which girl?:suspect:

Nope, I'm a breeder, Sweetie!Chihuahua or Shih Tzu? Sweetie? Egads, remove all doubt, why don't you?

I hope not...

As far as the wife goes, just slap her on the ass and put her in a mini-van where she belongs. :D

Don't slap if she's already barefoot and pregenant though.

For those considering the slushbox - Sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your manhood.

:yeah:

My sources tell me that in addition to custom tailoring your V to have an automatic, other options will be added in the automatic checkbox. Here's the list...




Plush velour seating surfaces.
Woven curtains.
Whitewall tires.
Airbag suspension.
Column shifter.
Front bench seats.
Special Edition Prince Purple Paint.

Don't forget the manadatory VAGINA!

-Chris

Don't forget the manadatory VAGINA!

-ChrisSo that's why so many guys want slushboxes!!! They just want to play with themselves!

Chihuahua or Shih Tzu? Sweetie? Egads, remove all doubt, why don't you?
:seductive eyebrow wiggles: @ BJ

I just saw a dealer driving around a Black 2008 CTS today, it looked fantastic. This is somewhat off topic, but whatevers.

A Buick GNX looks fantastic and goes like snot but it still doesn't turn or stop worth a damn.

Lawfive+405+clutch=rotting knee cartilage

(Florian in OH has no excuse)

au contraire, mon frere....36 years of ice skating/hockey/referee-ing has taken its toll on my knees....they go under the knife after this season. :ill:


F

A Florian on skates looks fantastic and goes like snot but it doesn't turn or stop worth a damn.

Lawfive opened the door - Batter up!

A Florian on skates ..... doesn't stop worth a damn.

Unless there's a cute guy behind him, then he can come to a halt like he's got Brembos on his skates. :D

au contraire, mon frere....36 years of ice skating/hockey/referee-ing has taken its toll on my knees....they go under the knife after this season.

A Florian on skates looks fantastic and goes like snot but it doesn't turn or stop worth a damn.

ok F, you are excused too, and I am sure you look damn sexy on skates :green:


I just saw a dealer driving around a Black 2008 CTS today, it looked fantastic. This is somewhat off topic, but whatevers.

I saw my first 08 in person this weekend as I was driving past a small Cadillac dealer in Barrington. They actually had it sitting front and center right out front. And I have to say, damn sexy :worship:

They look so much better in person than they do in pictures.

I'm surprised there haven't been any comments about the harmonic dampener bolted to the carrier.

It's an interesting design, and will probably absorb the whining from the rear. The $20 it probably costs to add this will probably save them a couple hundred thousand on pointless diff replacements.

If this is true, then I just lost my appetite for the upcoming C63!!

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/04/mt-reports-cadillac-cts-v-gets-600hp-corvette-blue-devil-engine/

:dance::dance::elvis1::musical::banana::gun:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0707_2009_cadillac_cts_v/

Old, old old. The article linked is from June 4th, and MT has already retracted that statement.

So, in answer to your question: Yes.

That's why I linked the actual MT site. Their first paragraph is an "UPDATE". They retracted the 7.0L statement and now say it's a blown 6.2L motor.

Hilarious post of the week from GM Inside News Forums:

Also, we must not forget tho that alveress statement may still be part of Lutz's eleaborate "disinformation campaign" to convence the nazis that the Normandy invasion will really take place on Miami Beach.

LS42 w/ Flux Capacitation and Lutzfusion !! !!

Page 59 of my new Car & Driver says the CTS-V is "dead," not on hiatus till '09 mind you, "dead."







:stirpot:

LS42 w/ Flux Capacitation and Lutzfusion !! !!

Woot the party is back on!:bouncy:

I still vote LSWTF.

Page 59 of my new Car & Driver says the CTS-V is "dead," not on hiatus till '09 mind you, "dead."







:stirpot:


I read that last night also. I read it as dead for 08.

Page 59 of my new Car & Driver says the CTS-V is "dead," not on hiatus till '09 mind you, "dead."
:stirpot:

Hope the rag is wrong...

This thread???










gxYiRQ6QI08

... I read it as dead for 08.Yeah, that's the way I think it was intended, but to the casual reader, ... well, it needed to be better clarified.

You KNOW that they wouldn't have said it that way if it was the M3 or M5 or some other uber car. They would've been all over it to explain it a whole bunch better.

Oh, another point relative to the 600 hp: If that's indeed true, I wonder if the volume will be significantly lower than the 3-4,000 units we've seen these last few years. Maybe down around 1-1.5k units or even less?

It appears my brother has a lot of free time these days. He whipped up this rendering of what he thinks the CTS-V should look like.

Thought I would share it.

The pic on the top was the original that came from a Motortrend article.

Dave's rendering is below.

The MT render was pretty bad to begin with, but the other is worse.

1- It's ugly

2- The lower grill is necessary for cooling

3- It's ugly

Dave must work for Hot Wheels...

The real one doesn't look quite like that. Wheels different (sweeter), body kit different (cooler).

Those wheels look like Cien wheels:yup: Hope not much is real from MT pic. I do like what SlothV had to say. I quess you have seen it, lucky you. I want it now!:D

You guys seen this?


"The experimental 6.2L V-8 produces nearly 500 hp with direct-injection gasoline technology and is timed for possible release with upcoming Gen V variants of the small-block architecture."

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54138

Possibly going in the new V?

Possibly going in the new V?

nope. Don't confuse Gen V with CTS-V.

You guys seen this?


"The experimental 6.2L V-8 produces nearly 500 hp with direct-injection gasoline technology and is timed for possible release with upcoming Gen V variants of the small-block architecture."

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54138

Possibly going in the new V?

I posted that article over there... :bouncy:

I posted that article over there... :bouncy:

Now let's keep that corn engine talk faaaaaaaaaaar away from the V.

got this off my other forum, I sure do hope the 09V has the 600hp motor to mess with this uppity audi:

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Audi/A6/RS6/spy/preview_Audi_rs6_avant.jpg

We recently reported that leaked vehicle chassis codes for the new Audi RS6 specced the output from its twin-turbo V10 engine at 571hp (426kW). Recent information from a source at Audi, however, has put this figure in doubt. The reliable source claims that the 571hp will only be the specified figure Audi will market the car with. True output will be upwards of 600hp, with 610hp (455kW) pegged as the most likely figure. It looks like Audi is taking no chances with the ultimate “wolf in sheep’s clothing” model and even BMW’s excellent V10 motor will struggle to compete with this kind of power output. To give you an idea of just how high this figure is, the RS6 will churn out more horses than the Corvette Z06, BMW M6, Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, Ferrari F430 Scuderia, Aston Martin DBS, Porsche 911 GT2, and even Mercedes’ epic bi-turbo V12 CL65 AMG.
While we’re always happy to see manufacturers pushing the limit, surely there comes a time when outright power figures get out of control. The previous RS6 wasn’t a slow car by any stretch of the imagination, but the new model will likely become the most practical supercar ever made. At least owners will have a full-time AWD system to help keep them out of trouble.



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well.. the bright side is that audi needs a v-10 and twin turbo' to get 600hp while we do it with a v-8 :)

I don't care if that thing had 800hp, it's still fugly.

only the germans buy ubervagens, it'll be a sedan here

iatm

nope. Don't confuse Gen V with CTS-V.

Ahaha, I know the difference :thumbsup:

TTS' avatar... Gad, "300." I seriously want my ten dollars and two hours back.

pc+1

TTS' avatar... Gad, "300." I seriously want my ten dollars and two hours back.

Blasphemy! 300 is one of my top 50 favorite movies of all time.

Different strokes, etc. :yawn:

I don't care if that thing had 800hp, it's still fugly.
It's a look you would quickly learn to love. :burn:
It's actually real clean looking.
The price of that RS6 is what will be impossible to take.
It would easily be $110K+

Agreed. Hell, the RS4 is almost 70k. Still, the thoughts of that much hp in sedan version makes me moist.

Anyone see the pics of the new S5 from Audi? Pretty hot looking.