Someone's been smuggling Crack at The Ring.

I have been analyzing the 2009 spy photos, and have made a horrifying discovery regarding the new powertrain:


There's a crack in the intake tube.

OMG, freakin' hilarious. :lol:

I have been analyzing the 2009 spy photos, and have made a horrifying discovery regarding the new powertrain:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/Firebomba/buttv.gifOMG!!! POTY!!!

It's not perfect, but it's a better rear end than we have in OUR V's...

That rear end has crack in it and I think it's gonna blow baby!

So my new "guess" is a s/c'd LS9 that is at 545 at the crank right now, but they are aiming towards 600.

:thumbsup: Keep the intel flowin, bro!

I heard L5 can suck a mean one. But that came from Florian, so the source is dubious.

-Chris

Dubious indeed, sir......:want::thepan:


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Hey, wait a minute, S/C LS9, would that be the same engine as is going into the Corvette SS?? Uh, Florian...?

Haven't been on here in a long time, on here last summer looking at Lades for a larger truck to tow with. Been watching and waiting in anticipation of the 09' V, torture waiting another year :gah:.....think I'll grab a current V to hold me over...yeh I know theres that new V thread but that is way to big and long to read through lol.

Ibtl

Ibtlguess to many posts on the 09' :histeric:

Ibtl

:run:

ha
http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/new/merge.jpg

Just wondering if anyone has heard pricing for the 09 "V". I'm Selling mine and saving for the 09 if GM doesn't price it past my willing price.

The body will be ABS and the seats will be carbon fiber.

the brakes will be carbon-carbon, the wheels will be titanium, and the engine will be a new thermoplastic

Just wondering if anyone has heard pricing for the 09 "V". I'm Selling mine and saving for the 09 if GM doesn't price it past my willing price.


There has been almost nothing official from Cadillac/GM about the 09 V in reguards to specs, options, or pricing. It's still mostly all speculation at this point.

I know I'm not Cadillac, but I'd just like to reiterate:

Just over 500hp, Supercharged, under $60k.

:D

I know I'm not Cadillac, but I'd just like to reiterate:

Just over 500hp, Supercharged, under $60k.

:D

N* S/C ?

I will reiterate.

Lambo doors, whistle tips, 9" lift, bubbled and donked.

N* S/C ?

Nope.

Nope.

2 donkeys with squirrels up their butts

I know I'm not Cadillac, but I'd just like to reiterate:

Just over 500hp, Supercharged, under $60k.

:D
my sources say the same...the target is under 60.

btw, parts are arriving at the assembly plant in Lansing as we speak - road trip anyone.

Base kick ass car at 59k

Fully optioned at 68k
Carbon ceramic big brakes
track suspension package
Full Alcantra interior including sport seats
Some type of launch control
Some added light weight panels and components
Curb weight under 3800lbs
And some wishful thinking:alchi::alchi::alchi:

I know I'm not Cadillac, but I'd just like to reiterate:

Just over 500hp, Supercharged, under $60k.

:D

That's what _I_ said, too! I got flamed for it. Not "just over 500hp" though; 500hp+. No lower limits, dammit!!

I'm still with Tony and Lawfive. Around 525 hp blown motor at about 58k. Bank on it fellas.

I'm still with Tony and Lawfive. Around 525 hp blown motor at about 58k. Bank on it fellas.
So what size engine?
Since you guys seem to be in the know.

So what size engine?
Since you guys seem to be in the know.
I say C-15 625 HP/2050 lb-ft @ 1200 rpm
.... or not

GM has a VIN digit for CAT engines... :)

What is this all about. 600 HP LS7?

GM has a VIN digit for CAT engines... :)

i thought Ford was the one who used CAT engines in the F650 or something

What is this all about. 600 HP LS7?

because motortrend said so
i want to see someone eating words if they turn out to be right

Quote this.....blown LS9. Or at least that is what some of my friends that are doing the fuel system for the car are saying. ;)

Of course it doesn't really matter at all since I won't be able to afford one for a couple years anyway.

Of course it doesn't really matter at all since I won't be able to afford one for a couple years anyway.

:yeah:

So what size engine?
Since you guys seem to be in the know.

Still sticking with what my original deep throat said: same basic engine as is going into the Z07/SS/Blue Devil/whatever it's called. Just making somewhat less power.

You know, since GM is the king of badge engineering, they should put it to good use. I think they should go ahead with the 09 CTS-V making upwards of 600 hp. Let it weigh 4000 lbs. Give it every techno-goodie in the GM arsenal. Start the bidding at $75k.

Then take the new Sigma platform, and give a version to Chevy (or Pontiac). Nix the nav, onstar, heated seats etc. Shave the weight down to 3500. Give it unique fascias. Cut the power to 500-520. And sell that one for $40k. (Cadillac is almost doing that now anyway.)

Voila, two hot sedans, sharing platform costs, built in the same plant, two unique identities, two different missions, same Chrysler/BMW/Audi ass-kicker architecture. Let the aussies keep their Commodore, thank you very much. The Caddy can smoke the M5 and RS6 for -$20k, the Chevy can spank the M3, the Shelbys, and the SRTrash.

You out there GM? You listening? Start using badge engineering the smart way.

That's just what methinks.

GM gave up the crown of Badge Engineering years ago to Ford. They can make a Ford, Mazda, Lincolcn, Mercury, Volvo and Jaguar out of one car.

at least theirs have unique bodywork and interiors (well except for Ford/Mercury) to differentiate

GM swaps fascias and steering wheels and calls it a new car. The Avalanche/Escalade EXT is my favorite.


I think a budget CTS-V (and CTS for that matter) could work.

Apparently, we have a lot of lurkers here from other web sites.

First, the GMinsidenews forums were debating about the supposed "spy pic" of the engine bay (you know, the one with 3 spark plugs on each side?), when someone pointed out my observation that it's a V6. Click here for the thread (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1096336&postcount=4).

Now, even Motor Trend is backing off their claims of a SC LS7, as can be seen at this page (http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0707_2009_cadillac_cts_v/).

I love that people are getting their CTS-V news from us. Haha.

GM swaps fascias and steering wheels and calls it a new car. The Avalanche/Escalade EXT is my favorite.


Yeah, an EXT is exactly the same as an Avalanche- unless you count the Engine, Transmission, Suspension, Infotainment system, Wheels, Headlights and Interior.

picky

picky

Wasn't that the 8th dwarf- the one with the big nose?

I forgot what this thread is about.

Yeah, an EXT is exactly the same as an Avalanche- unless you count the Engine, Transmission, Suspension, Infotainment system, Wheels, Headlights and Interior.

front and rear doors, fenders, hood, tailgate, taillights, etc. also. GMCs and Chevy are the same almost, but the Cadi is actually way different.

Come on GM, give us the dillio already on the 09 V, it seems we have resorted to talking about the Caddy SUVs to kill time.

Nooooooooooo!

Okay, how's this: I'm thinking about trying to get some interest drummed up for a trip to Detroit in January to see the damned thing at NAIAS. Any takers?

Hmm....that's a possibility. I could try and leverage my meager connections into a factory tour.

Woof!

I'm headed to Detwa in the morning to see the inlaws.

supercharged llama with 2 squirrels up its butt

Well, here is some interesting info. A leaked price list for the 2008 CTS. This may have some effect on the V.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6205/2008ctspricesxr9pk0.jpg

that was posted in CTS.

Damn it, where is that Captain Obvious pic when you need it.

Fracking forum :spam:er ;)

Damn it, where is that Captain Obvious pic when you need it.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6662/itssoobvious60016a20048sk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

By the looks of those prices . The new CTS is slowly moving to STS territory.MY bet is by 2010 the new CTS will be direct 5series competitor a new smaller car from Europe that will be the 3series competitor. With the all new STS moving into S-class and 7series and Audi A8 territory. If Caddy plays its cards right they just may be world class again. :thumbsup:

Damn it, where is that Captain Obvious pic when you need it.



MASTER !


http://www.ciws.info/obvious.jpg

Local paper ran a syndicated column about the upcoming pony car wars. Dammit! I really need to know:

Will Dodge offer the 500+ hp 6.4 liter engine in the Challenger at some point?

Will the CTS-V be everything we're hoping?

Ah hates to wait!

By the looks of those prices . The new CTS is slowly moving to STS territory.MY bet is by 2010 the new CTS will be direct 5series competitor a new smaller car from Europe that will be the 3series competitor. With the all new STS moving into S-class and 7series and Audi A8 territory. If Caddy plays its cards right they just may be world class again. :thumbsup:

an article I read recently said something about the new CTS making the current STS V-6 obsolete. and the DI CTS making the STS V-8 obsolete. I have to agree.

I like cake.

Alright, enough of the BS! When are one of you guys going to give up the info on the 09 V? (This means you Tony Show)

Cake my ASS! I want it all!

Alright, enough of the BS! When are one of you guys going to give up the info on the 09 V? (This means you Tony Show)

Cake my ASS! I want it all!

The time is coming soon....

Stop it you tease!

This just posted on GMInsideNews. All I have to say is someone has been :alchi:.

An avid GMI reader corresponded with a GM engineer that is working closely with the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V. He has tipped GMI off with some information regarding the yet-to-be-confirmed powertrain that is under the hood of the upcoming beast. According to this source the CTS-V will have the Corvette Z06's 7.0L LS7, however there is a twist. The CTS-V will utilize an integrated supercharger (think 4.4L Northstar) to boost power outputs to around 600 HP at the wheels. Naturally major enhancements to the suspension and handling systems are being taken to reduce wheel hop and other characteristics common with massive amounts of power.

Sounds like it's going to be a beast.


Thanks to our source!!

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52521

This just posted on GMInsideNews. All I have to say is someone has been :alchi:.



http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52521


LS42 baby!!!!


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To "Suck the doors off the M5" is going to take some serious power.

Mr. Lutz does not lie.

This just posted on GMInsideNews. All I have to say is someone has been :alchi:.



http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52521


Old and probably false. How many times are we going to read this rumor.

Just think about it for a second. Do you really think GM is going to take their flagship cars powerplant and then put a blower on it and then put it in the CTS-V?

Wake up gminsidenews.

Tony and Lawfive, a little help here, we have another kookalook!

What if the intention is to stop production on the STS and XLR-V, making 08 the last model year of those two cars. Then for 09 release a CTS-V with more power, AWD, and an automatic transmission availablity to draw the performance crowd to a single model and simply produce more of them ? A two door could come later for the Coupe driver.

:yeah:

That bulge in the hood is there for good reason. The July edition of Motor Trend that I just got in my mailbox says that the 2009 CTS V will have the supercharged LS7 - good for 600 hp. They say the naturally aspirated LS7 doesn't have enough low-end grunt for a 3600 lb car.

I can't wait to test drive the first one to come to town!

You saw it here first - over 500 posts ago. SUPERCHARGED LS7 - and I'm sticking to it!:rolleyes:

Old and probably false. How many times are we going to read this rumor.

Just think about it for a second. Do you really think GM is going to take their flagship cars powerplant and then put a blower on it and then put it in the CTS-V?

Wake up gminsidenews.

Tony and Lawfive, a little help here, we have another kookalook!
Why not? They took their flagship motor and put it in the CTS-V for 2004.

And that post isn't old. It was from today.

I wouldn't doubt for a second that they'll go with a blown LS7. Why should the CTS-V keep playing catch up to the M5? Caddy matched the M5 with the same power in '04. BMW now has the V10. Why should Caddy just match it in power? Why not take it to the next level?

Blown LS7 ftw

No way they blow the LS7....the pistons are eutectic...youd need forged pistons to do that. The BlueDevil is getting the 6.2L blown engine according to DigitalCorvettes..."Let's start with the obvious that will not come as a surprise to 99% of the people here.
The motor is a 6.2L supercharged V8. It's called LS9."

Sooooo, the motor isnt the Blue Devil motor.....


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Why not? They took their flagship motor and put it in the CTS-V for 2004.

And that post isn't old. It was from today.

I wouldn't doubt for a second that they'll go with a blown LS7. Why should the CTS-V keep playing catch up to the M5? Caddy matched the M5 with the same power in '04. BMW now has the V10. Why should Caddy just match it in power? Why not take it to the next level?

Blown LS7 ftw
As nice as it would be the SC LS7/9 is a very limited production item from a $110K+ Special Edition Vette.
Try buying that Vett for less than a $15K dealer mark up. :thepan:
Do you really think we can get that engine in a V for <$60K?

I doubt any of us really want to line up for an $80K+ CTS-V?
If you have that kind of money, burning a hole in your pocket, you should already be driving a modded M5 or Vantage.

Do you really think we can get that engine in a V for <$60K?

.

LS7 crate motor alone is 13+K from Scoggin Dickey or GMPP....


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As nice as it would be the SC LS7/9 is a very limited production item from a $110K+ Special Edition Vette.
Try buying that Vett for less than a $15K dealer mark up. :thepan:
Do you really think we can get that engine in a V for <$60K?

I doubt any of us really want to line up for an $80K+ CTS-V?
If you have that kind of money, burning a hole in your pocket, you should already be driving a modded M5 or Vantage.
I'd take the CTS-V over any BMW anyday of the week.

$80k CTS-V would be cool with me. The M5 is $82k. Why does the CTS-V have to be the poor man's M5? If Caddy can build a car up to those standards, people will pay for it.

If there wasn't so much misinformation where would all the drama be?

The Blue Devil supercharged engine will put out close to 700 hp. the CTS V will use a "detuned" version of this engine. Whatever it takes - lower the compression ratio, use a different cam, different pistons, etc. Call it "Blown LS7", call it "Blown Detuned LS7", call it what you want - it WILL happen. You can argue all day what the price will be. I can argue that some would pay what others are paying now for only 500 hp.

:umno:

:umno:

Not much drama in that response.

When will we know? Anybody know when official data will be released to the public? I feel like a child waiting for christmas:)

Naias 08


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The Blue Devil supercharged engine will put out close to 700 hp. the CTS V will use a "detuned" version of this engine. Whatever it takes - lower the compression ratio, use a different cam, different pistons, etc. Call it "Blown LS7", call it "Blown Detuned LS7", call it what you want - it WILL happen. You can argue all day what the price will be. I can argue that some would pay what others are paying now for only 500 hp.

:thepan:

In case the information has been tainted with trackable "disinformation" I will summarize but must be vague. I do not rule this out as being an intentional leak.

- The "Corvette SS" undeniably a go.
- We are at the very beginning of the program.
- Will be limited #s
- Not indicated to be "blue devil".
- Will be outfitted with a "charged" LS9.
- This will be a Corvette-only motor not to be in a caddy.
- The LS9 is a smaller displacement motor than the LS7.

Thanks to DigitalCorvettes for this info....

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How's this?

Naias 08


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BIG Question is, will the car be there?

How's this?

now thats some good drama :worship::highfive::thumbsup:

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BIG Question is, will the car be there?

most likely...the 08 CTS was shown a year ahead, why not the 09V shown a year ahead?

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525+hp, killer rearend, transmission, suspension, brakes and interior. Thats all I'm asking Santa:thumbsup: Oh, one more thing. Some new colors......

525+hp, killer rearend, transmission, suspension, brakes and interior. Thats all I'm asking Santa:thumbsup: Oh, one more thing. Some new colors......

:yeah::prettyplease::flame::kari:




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:kari:

A double side of that please!!!

I love the fact that there's so many leaks regarding the Z07/SS/Blue Devil, but NONE about the CTS-V.

:thepan:

In case the information has been tainted with trackable "disinformation" I will summarize but must be vague. I do not rule this out as being an intentional leak.

- The "Corvette SS" undeniably a go.
- We are at the very beginning of the program.
- Will be limited #s
- Not indicated to be "blue devil".
- Will be outfitted with a "charged" LS9.
- This will be a Corvette-only motor not to be in a caddy.
- The LS9 is a smaller displacement motor than the LS7.

Thanks to DigitalCorvettes for this info....

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How about a trustworthy link to this info......

My info was published by Motor Trend in the July issue.

How about a trustworthy link to this info......

My info was published by Motor Trend in the July issue.


Are you saying MT is credible!!! LOL. The info was posted by a known member of the Corvette R&D program, but I guess thats not credible enough...:thepan:


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How about a trustworthy link to this info......

My info was published by Motor Trend in the July issue.

:histeric:

:rofl:

Stop it, you're killing me.........

Are you saying MT is credible!!! LOL. The info was posted by a known member of the Corvette R&D program, but I guess thats not credible enough...:thepan:


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If it's not in print nobodys' reputation is at stake. Care to elaborate?

If it's not in print nobodys' reputation is at stake. Care to elaborate?

No. Ranger is a GM employee, and as such, cannot divulge more than what he has for fear of losing his job. So, yes, his reputation and more importantly HIS JOB, is at stake. It is known that Ranger is a member of the Corvette R&D program. He kept his post vague enough that nothing was specifically said, but it implied boatloads. Most people on the Vette boards know the score on the SS/Blue Devil so it wasnt groundbreaking news, just an affirmation of some speculation.

Now, back to your MT for valuable info. :thepan:



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Ohhhhhhhhhh the drama........

I TRUST EVERYTHING I READ (especially on the iner-net).

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Why not? They took their flagship motor and put it in the CTS-V for 2004.

And that post isn't old. It was from today.

I wouldn't doubt for a second that they'll go with a blown LS7. Why should the CTS-V keep playing catch up to the M5? Caddy matched the M5 with the same power in '04. BMW now has the V10. Why should Caddy just match it in power? Why not take it to the next level?

Blown LS7 ftw

$80k CTS-V would be cool with me. The M5 is $82k. Why does the CTS-V have to be the poor man's M5? If Caddy can build a car up to those standards, people will pay for it.




Yes they did take their flagship motor and put it in the V in 04, but did they take the flagship motor and supercharge it then put it in the Caddy? No, of course not and they never will. Face it, the 09 V will not have a supercharged LS7 and it will not be 600 hp. Just because Motor Trend printed it does not make it true.

And no, the post isn't old. That's not what I was referring to. The information itself is old.

And if Caddy takes the MSRP on the V from low 50's to the low 80's, you might be the only one who buys it. That would be sure death to the V.

GM is shooting for a Caddy that will beat an M5. If they put out a car in the 525 hp and 450ft/lbs range it will do that, and if they price it in the 60k range people will buy it. It won't sell at a price of 80k.

People buy the M5 for $80k, why not the V?

Why does the V have to be seen as the poor man's M5? Someone explain that to me. Cadillac CAN build a car up to those standards. It just really doesn't help when even Cadillac owners themselves think the V has to be much cheaper than an M5 to compete with it.

No. Ranger is a GM employee, and as such, cannot divulge more than what he has for fear of losing his job. So, yes, his reputation and more importantly HIS JOB, is at stake. It is known that Ranger is a member of the Corvette R&D program. He kept his post vague enough that nothing was specifically said, but it implied boatloads. Most people on the Vette boards know the score on the SS/Blue Devil so it wasnt groundbreaking news, just an affirmation of some speculation.

Now, back to your MT for valuable info. :thepan:



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Frankly I'm not too concerned about the Corvette R&D program unless it impacts the 2009 V. MT was not the only source of the supercharged LS7 in the 2009 V. Look back a few posts and you will see a link to GM Insider posts. Are these any less reputable than your source?:want:

:food-snacking: alright, now we're gettin somewhere

Now, back to your MT for valuable info. :thepan:



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MT > u

Why not? They took their flagship motor and put it in the CTS-V for 2004.

And that post isn't old. It was from today.

I wouldn't doubt for a second that they'll go with a blown LS7. Why should the CTS-V keep playing catch up to the M5? Caddy matched the M5 with the same power in '04. BMW now has the V10. Why should Caddy just match it in power? Why not take it to the next level?

Blown LS7 ftwAlso, the LS7 was well into its development for the C6. For a year or two we may have had GM's flagship engine but that was out of convenience and timing. Did the CTS-V get the LS7 once that was available in the Z06? No, they got the truck motor. Now, that may be in part to the rear end, but I doubt it. A s/c LS3 or NA LS7 makes the most sense to me.

MT > uDoes u = you? Or urbanski?

im not realy feelin that body...but thats just me...I like the boxier more classic CTS body

im not realy feelin that body...but thats just me...I like the boxier more classic CTS body
:yeah: I have to agree with you on that one.
The new CTS lines look more like a downsized DTS to me. :eek:

MT > u

not a chance.....now R&T maybe. :bigroll:


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Frankly I'm not too concerned about the Corvette R&D program unless it impacts the 2009 V. MT was not the only source of the supercharged LS7 in the 2009 V. Look back a few posts and you will see a link to GM Insider posts. Are these any less reputable than your source?:want:

"GM Insider" is just the name they chose for that forum- there's no "Inside" news there.

As far as MT, they've already published a retraction on their Web Site regarding the article that claimed sharing the Z07 engine. If you look back a few posts you'll see that I already linked to that.

im not realy feelin that body...but thats just me...I like the box


fixed....



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"GM Insider" is just the name they chose for that forum- there's no "Inside" news there.

As far as MT, they've already published a retraction on their Web Site regarding the article that claimed sharing the Z07 engine. If you look back a few posts you'll see that I already linked to that.


....OH No, you di-int....


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Frankly I'm not too concerned about the Corvette R&D program unless it impacts the 2009 V. MT was not the only source of the supercharged LS7 in the 2009 V. Look back a few posts and you will see a link to GM Insider posts. Are these any less reputable than your source?:want:


So, youre not concerned that a person that is directly involved with the Corvette program has credible info???? And no, MT wasnt the only source. Ive never refuted that. GM Insider is also a speculative website...it has nothing to do w/GM other than by name.
Ill stick with what I know, with what I have seen, and with whom I trust. I dont read industry rags, as they for the most part arent spot on.
Rich, Im not here to pile on....
YMMV


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'dey juss fo decurashun man, 'das all it is.

People buy the M5 for $80k, why not the V?

Why does the V have to be seen as the poor man's M5? Someone explain that to me. Cadillac CAN build a car up to those standards. It just really doesn't help when even Cadillac owners themselves think the V has to be much cheaper than an M5 to compete with it.

It's more that BMW has a long history of building performance sedans and proven resale value performance.
Cadillac only has 4 years in this game and as great as the V was it hoplessley under performed the M5 on resale value, and dealer service network.
Also the new M5 destroys the V in performance and handling.
If you ever ran against one you would be amazed how capable the M5 is.
Untill Cadillac really can match or exceede the M5 in all catagories it's market value will have to remain lower to attract buyers.
Nothing wrong with bieng 2nd to the M5 for less money.

I do love the modability of our V's, as we have the ability to bring them up to the performance level we want.
So we don't have a warranty, at least we saved $35K by not buying an M5.

"GM Insider" is just the name they chose for that forum- there's no "Inside" news there.

As far as MT, they've already published a retraction on their Web Site regarding the article that claimed sharing the Z07 engine. If you look back a few posts you'll see that I already linked to that.

Whether or not GM Insider is any more, or any less, knowledgeable about this issue is based upon where they got their "inside" information. Since any engineer or executive actually working on the CTS V program is sworn to secrecy all the information we're getting is supposedly second hand anyway- and I'm sure it's been manipulated along the way. So what needs to be done is to pile up all of the rumors and speculation and try to see if there is at least a pattern. When I see a bulge in the test mule hood I'm thinking that at least they are testing a supercharged version of some engine. And there are several sources that say the engine is a LS7. sSo I put 2 + 2 togethor.

As far as the MT retraction goes, I'll check out your post - but I'm more likely to believe it if it's in the next edition I get in my mailbox.

I'll save you the work of finding it:

Apparently, we have a lot of lurkers here from other web sites.

First, the GMinsidenews forums were debating about the supposed "spy pic" of the engine bay (you know, the one with 3 spark plugs on each side?), when someone pointed out my observation that it's a V6. Click here for the thread (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1096336&postcount=4).

Now, even Motor Trend is backing off their claims of a SC LS7, as can be seen at this page (http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0707_2009_cadillac_cts_v/).

I love that people are getting their CTS-V news from us. Haha.


Don't count on MT to print a retraction, since it was a rumor in the first place anyway.

As far as the "Inside News" forum, they aren't the brightest bulbs in the package. As linked to in the above post, they spent two pages theorizing what type of engine was shown in a spy pic. The engine in question was quite obviously the 4-year old High Feature V6 VVT, yet the Mensa candidates over there thought it was some top secret new V8 (with 6 spark plugs :histeric:). Eventually there was a post saying "Some guy (me) on the Cadillac forums says that's a V6."


Not much reliable news coming from there.

People buy the M5 for $80k, why not the V?

Why does the V have to be seen as the poor man's M5? Someone explain that to me. Cadillac CAN build a car up to those standards. It just really doesn't help when even Cadillac owners themselves think the V has to be much cheaper than an M5 to compete with it.


People pay that much because BMW has a history of making kick ass cars from their M division for years and years, they have a history of resale value plus the M is a german import. Like it or not, BMW commands more money and people pay it because of these reasons. If Caddy would try that, they would fall flat on their face.

Can Caddy command BMW money 10 years from now? Maybe, but they have work to do on resale and dealer support. They are far from ready now.

Not much reliable news coming from there.

keep the smackdown coming
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When I see a bulge in the test mule hood I'm thinking that at least they are testing a supercharged version of some engine. And there are several sources that say the engine is a LS7. sSo I put 2 + 2 togethor.
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The CTS with the bulge is actually the mule for the SS Vette....NOT the next CTS-V....

YMMV


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Whether or not GM Insider is any more, or any less, knowledgeable about this issue is based upon where they got their "inside" information. Since any engineer or executive actually working on the CTS V program is sworn to secrecy all the information we're getting is supposedly second hand anyway- and I'm sure it's been manipulated along the way. So what needs to be done is to pile up all of the rumors and speculation and try to see if there is at least a pattern. When I see a bulge in the test mule hood I'm thinking that at least they are testing a supercharged version of some engine. And there are several sources that say the engine is a LS7. sSo I put 2 + 2 togethor.



But again, just think about it. Do you really think GM will put an engine in the V that will kick the ass of their much heralded Z06? Look over the years, GM
has never put out a product that will be advertised as beating the highest level Corvette. The final few years of the F body was as close as they got, those cars were scary close to performance of the Vette at ten thousand less, but GM underadvertised the power on those cars specifically as to not compete them against the Corvette.

But again, just think about it. Do you really think GM will put an engine in the V that will kick the ass of their much heralded Z06? Look over the years, GM
has never put out a product that will be advertised as beating the highest level Corvette. The final few years of the F body was as close as they got, those cars were scary close to performance of the Vette at ten thousand less, but GM underadvertised the power on those cars specifically as to not compete them against the Corvette.

Dave Hill said before he left the Corvette section of GM that the Vette will always be the flagship of GM. Not Caddy, not Chevy, just the Vette. Just look at the GM webpage, Corvette is its own entity....


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keep the smackdown coming
Round 2 ... come out swingin'

thats funny.....

Do I get to bang the ring girl?



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1991 The GMC Syclone out performed the Vette so did the Grand National GNX in 1987 so there are exceptions to the rule of the VETTE being un beatable comparing to other GM product.. I'm not saying the new V will beat the current Z06 but 85-90% of it would be real nice:thumbsup:

Isnt the current V faster than a regular C5? Why couldnt the next V be faster than the current Z06 if the Z07 will be that much faster?

It doesnt matter, no one can win a horsepower war any longer than until the next new go-fast-car is released.

By the time the 2009 V comes out the base C6 will be 430+ HP. I wonder what the Z06 will be at by then?

It's gonna be an LSWTF IMHO.

1991 The GMC Syclone out performed the Vette so did the Grand National GNX in 1987 so there are exceptions to the rule of the VETTE being un beatable comparing to other GM product.. I'm not saying the new V will beat the current Z06 but 85-90% of it would be real nice:thumbsup:

thats true, but that was pre-Dave Hill. Every Vette under his direction beat all other GM offerings.


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this thread needs a new title

I have to wonder how a '62 409 Impala SS would have done against the Vette of the day... Or a 1964 Catalina 2+2 421.

Lets break out a 1977 Cobra Mustang, I'll run your damn V!

LOL

thats funny.....

Do I get to bang the ring girl?



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Forget the ring girl. Try tangling with one of these. They will kick your AZZ!

I'll save you the work of finding it:




Don't count on MT to print a retraction, since it was a rumor in the first place anyway.

Interesting - but MT still says the CTS V and the Blue Devil will share the same engine - and it is still supercharged and good for at least 600 hp. So who cares if they shave off a little displacement and still get the same hp numbers less a little torque. We shall see.

Forget the ring girl. Try tangling with one of these. They will kick your AZZ!

wow......Id like to look under their hoods!


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urb-- thread title of the year!!!

thats true, but that was pre-Dave Hill. Every Vette under his direction beat all other GM offerings.


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Isn't Dave Hill gone:confused:

I'm still a buyer at 85-90% of current Z06 performance. That would surpass the Current M5 and I'm quite fine with that. I'll take more later maybe 2011. When the super VR is released. Launch Control, light weight bits, maybe a titanium two stage muffler system, wheels, big carbon 6-pot brakes, real sport seats, alacantra dash ,seats and Ajustable shocks for road racing"track days." To top it off make it available in a coupe, bye bye M6.YUMMY.... Basically a 911GT3 sedan , ready too kick ass:worship::worship::worship:

Whats crazy is, this can be done. If not by GM than by us modding the hell out of it. I'm starting a mod piggy bank now. I think I'll drink to that:alchi:

Also, the LS7 was well into its development for the C6. For a year or two we may have had GM's flagship engine but that was out of convenience and timing. Did the CTS-V get the LS7 once that was available in the Z06? No, they got the truck motor. Now, that may be in part to the rear end, but I doubt it. A s/c LS3 or NA LS7 makes the most sense to me.

Yup........

People pay that much because BMW has a history of making kick ass cars from their M division for years and years, they have a history of resale value plus the M is a german import. Like it or not, BMW commands more money and people pay it because of these reasons. If Caddy would try that, they would fall flat on their face.

Can Caddy command BMW money 10 years from now? Maybe, but they have work to do on resale and dealer support. They are far from ready now.
Really? I coulda sworn the last gen M3s had time bombs for engines. I remember a couple cases where the engine just went kaput.

Forget the ring girl. Try tangling with one of these. They will kick your AZZ!They will kick your AZZ because they are trannies. Ring girl FTW!

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/33478d1185393880-my-09-v-rumor-better-than-scorekeeper.jpg

urb-- thread title of the year!!!

ty :)

Isn't Dave Hill gone:confused:




Long gone, but his directive still lives on...


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They will kick your AZZ because they are trannies. Ring girl FTW!




Hey now, take it easy. I went to High School with the one on the right. He was a pretty cool guy.

Edmunds has their 'First Drive' of the 2008 CTS (at Nordschleife no less). Makes only minor mention of the V with no new info, but they have very good things to say of the base model and pics I haven't seen before. Whole thing makes waiting for the V details even more excruciating!

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=101188?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#3

-sjk

Thats a very nice article. But Edmunds' articles always leave something to be desired, for me anyway. I would liked to have read more about the driving experience and less about the styling.

I just can't get used to that back end. I think it's the excessive overhang. If the V doesn't look better in this area then I'll probably be sticking with my 06.

I just can't get used to that back end. I think it's the excessive overhang. If the V doesn't look better in this area then I'll probably be sticking with my 06.

Wait until you see it in person- the dimensions of this car are perfect.

I just can't get used to that back end. I think it's the excessive overhang.


Baby got Back !! :D

Pretty much every car I have ever seen looks much better in the flesh (sheetmetal?) than in photos. The new CTS photos arent great, which is why I am anxious to see it with my own eyes.

Baby got Back !! :D

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/fatass1.jpg

Id like to glaze that ham........Id put some apples right in its mouth.


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Hahaha!

Just got the new autoweek it also had a 4 page article on the new cts. They also didn't talk much of the driving experience....:)

They also didn't talk much of the driving experience....:)

motortrend did, and while giving it props, they of course had to give the little dig that it's no BMW or MB... I am thru with motortrend, bunch of pinko bastards...

They will kick your AZZ because they are trannies. Ring girl FTW!



Oh there is no doubt they are REAL women. I got close enough during the paddock photo session to testify to that. They are simply SPEED channel girls who know how to handle a wrench. In fact, the car you see them "working" on was the CTS VR entry by Max Papis in the 2005 Speed GT World Challenge race in Denver. It was just a coincidence that Max's car broke a drive train U joint at the start of the race - right?

Oh there is no doubt they are REAL women. I got close enough during the paddock photo session to testify to that. They are simply SPEED channel girls who know how to handle a wrench. In fact, the car you see them "working" on was the CTS VR entry by Max Papis in the 2005 Speed GT World Challenge race in Denver. It was just a coincidence that Max's car broke a drive train U joint at the start of the race - right?Yeah, then tell them to turn their crotches to the camera so their mannish faces don't get us wonderin'...

I just can't get used to that back end. I think it's the excessive overhang. If the V doesn't look better in this area then I'll probably be sticking with my 06.

The new CTS is sexy as f'!!!! I'm sorry you haven't seen one yet.

By the way those proportions are getting closer to BMWs which are based on the Roman chariots. ;)

motortrend did, and while giving it props, they of course had to give the little dig that it's no BMW or MB... I am thru with motortrend, bunch of pinko bastards...


Not only that but the cars are pre-production units please.... Autoweek was much more favorable comparing to the Germans. You know what, its not a BMW or MB it's A Fu@!! Cadillac and proud to be differnt ,bunch of jackasses. In what way is it even comparable to a MB they have no track cars except a rare limited black series c-class for 100k and the big bar of soap they call a super car the SLR what a joke. Now that I'm ranting heck BMW dosn't even race.:rant2::rant2::rant2:

Can't wait till the new V comes out and kicks some ass

Can we start a new thread when GM releases some real info. I can't follow this mess.

Not only that but the cars are pre-production units please.... Autoweek was much more favorable comparing to the Germans. You know what, its not a BMW or MB it's A Fu@!! Cadillac and proud to be differnt ,bunch of jackasses. In what way is it even comparable to a MB they have no track cars except a rare limited black series c-class for 100k and the big bar of soap they call a super car the SLR what a joke. Now that I'm ranting heck BMW dosn't even race.:rant2::rant2::rant2:

Can't wait till the new V comes out and kicks some assSpoken like a true American...who's never heard of F1...

Spoken like a true American...who's never heard of F1...

Bingo!

Spoken like a true American...who's never heard of F1...

F1 is a great proving ground for new technology, but I dont give a crap about racing, in any form, when it comes to the cars we are driving on the street. There is little to be compared between a mult-million dollar F1 car and a $30k sedan.

None of which matters when it comes to car magazines and their overt bias against American cars. I want an impartial review on how cars perform period. Not how they compare to King 3-series.

Interesting - but MT still says the CTS V and the Blue Devil will share the same engine - and it is still supercharged and good for at least 600 hp. So who cares if they shave off a little displacement and still get the same hp numbers less a little torque. We shall see.

MT is flat out wrong, learn that now. The CTS-V and the Blue Devil will NOT have the same engine, bank on it.

:yeah:

F1 is a great proving ground for new technology, but I dont give a crap about racing, in any form, when it comes to the cars we are driving on the street. There is little to be compared between a mult-million dollar F1 car and a $30k sedan.

None of which matters when it comes to car magazines and their overt bias against American cars. I want an impartial review on how cars perform period. Not how they compare to King 3-series.
Even if you are not a racing fan you do need to understand that racing has everything to do with how cars perform on the street.
If you want a performance car you want to buy it from a manufacturer with a road or rally racing background.
Only those manufacturers have tested their products under the most demanding conditions a car will ever be expected to perform under.

Manufacturers in F1 have immense knowledge of thermal, aerodynamic, suspension and engine technologies.
Their entire goal of gaining that knowledge is to use as much of it as possible to gain a competetive advantage in their street cars.

What manufacturer involved in racing does not want their street car to kick the snot out of it's competitors in handling, braking, reliability and acceleration?
It's street car sales that earn them their money not racing trophys.
They race to build better cars, not for their ego.

They put as much of their hard won expertize into each car they build as is economically possible.
Keep in mind the LSx series of engines are the result of refinements from the GM racing program.
I doubt the LSx engines would be as reliable and powerfull as they are now if it was not for knowledge gained from racing.

The same is true of the increased handling capabilites of modern cars.
Take your top $30K-$40K sedans today and put them on a road race course against the best pre 90's sports cars, that cost upwards of twice as much.
You will clearly see how much of that racing technology has found it's way into even the most humble mainstream sedans.
Lots of those pre 90's cars would not survive more than a handfull of slow laps before cooking brakes, overheating, shreding tires, etc.
A modern car, stock as a rock, will amaze you with it's abilities by comparison.
Those advancements in cooling, braking, suspension, tires etc. are now mainstream but were originally exclusive to high budget racing efforts.
Todays F1 technology will find it's way into mainstream cars soon enough.

Be glad cars are improving in performance and reliability (racing priorities) and not just MPG and Luxury (street car priorities).

Yes, I also hate all the hype about the 3 Series.
However the M5 really does have it going on, that car has it all (except for looks).
If the New V can hand an M5 it's ass that will be a crowning achivement for Cadillac.

F1 is a great proving ground for new technology, but I dont give a crap about racing, in any form, when it comes to the cars we are driving on the street. There is little to be compared between a mult-million dollar F1 car and a $30k sedan.

None of which matters when it comes to car magazines and their overt bias against American cars. I want an impartial review on how cars perform period. Not how they compare to King 3-series.

Thanks, I couldn't of said it better myself. That is what I was trying to get across. Yes I am a F1 fan.:thumbsup: Besides they suck in F1 anyway:rant2:

Even if you are not a racing fan you do need to understand that racing has everything to do with how cars perform on the street.
If you want a performance car you want to buy it from a manufacturer with a road or rally racing background.
Only those manufacturers have tested their products under the most demanding conditions a car will ever be expected to perform under.

Manufacturers in F1 have immense knowledge of thermal, aerodynamic, suspension and engine technologies.
Their entire goal of gaining that knowledge is to use as much of it as possible to gain a competetive advantage in their street cars.

What manufacturer involved in racing does not want their street car to kick the snot out of it's competitors in handling, braking, reliability and acceleration?
It's street car sales that earn them their money not racing trophys.
They race to build better cars, not for their ego.

They put as much of their hard won expertize into each car they build as is economically possible.
Keep in mind the LSx series of engines are the result of refinements from the GM racing program.
I doubt the LSx engines would be as reliable and powerfull as they are now if it was not for knowledge gained from racing.

The same is true of the increased handling capabilites of modern cars.
Take your top $30K-$40K sedans today and put them on a road race course against the best pre 90's sports cars, that cost upwards of twice as much.
You will clearly see how much of that racing technology has found it's way into even the most humble mainstream sedans.
Lots of those pre 90's cars would not survive more than a handfull of slow laps before cooking brakes, overheating, shreding tires, etc.
A modern car, stock as a rock, will amaze you with it's abilities by comparison.
Those advancements in cooling, braking, suspension, tires etc. are now mainstream but were originally exclusive to high budget racing efforts.
Todays F1 technology will find it's way into mainstream cars soon enough.

Be glad cars are improving in performance and reliability (racing priorities) and not just MPG and Luxury (street car priorities).

Yes, I also hate all the hype about the 3 Series.
However the M5 really does have it going on, that car has it all (except for looks).
If the New V can hand an M5 it's ass that will be a crowning achivement for Cadillac.


Also another way of looking at it. My simple point is BMW dosn't race anything they sell. I can't by a F1 car. Yes the trickle down elements of the race program can help. I understand that . Thats why racing is so important. I'm just tired of everything German is better attitude. :)

Thanks, I couldn't of said it better myself. That is what I was trying to get across. Yes I am a F1 fan.:thumbsup: Besides they suck in F1 anyway:rant2:

BMW is #3 in the team standings.
It's Honda that sucks. :eek:

BTW - BMW does race 3 series cars in German Touring Car and Speed Touring Car.
The E30 M3 was such a kick-ass race car it's probably why the 3 series is placed so high on it's pedestal to this day.

Todays German cars are somewhat overated, no doubt.
They, just gained a lot of ground on american cars thru the 70's and 80's and it takes a long time for american cars to win that back.
Things are just now getting evened up again.
The best way we can help the cause is to buy American, so be sure to get your 09V. :burn:
(then go smoke every german car you run across)

MT is flat out wrong, learn that now. The CTS-V and the Blue Devil will NOT have the same engine, bank on it.

For all of you badmouthing Motor Trend I just got my Sept edition in the mail and it says of the 2009 CTS on the front cover:

BEST DAMN CADDY IN 50 YEARS

They love the car on the Nurburgring and they espcially like the new 6 speed developed by Sigma products. They say it decreases lap times 5 to 8 seconds over the automatic. Now if GM can just find a way to mate it to a supercharged LS(whatever) with a beefed up rear, we have got the perfect V.

So the only thing I'm banking on is that the V will have to live up to a lot of hype created by this review. Let's hope Cadillac doesn't dissappoint us.

BMW is #3 in the team standings.
It's Honda that sucks. :eek:

BTW - BMW does race 3 series cars in German Touring Car and Speed Touring Car.
The E30 M3 was such a kick-ass race car it's probably why the 3 series is placed so high on it's pedestal to this day.

Todays German cars are somewhat overated, no doubt.
They, just gained a lot of ground on american cars thru the 70's and 80's and it takes a long time for american cars to win that back.
Things are just now getting evened up again.
The best way we can help the cause is to buy American, so be sure to get your 09V. :burn:
(then go smoke every german car you run across)

Thanks for the response . Your right they do race a bit in Europe just not in the most important market in the world "USA." Where more than half of all European cars made end up...I wasn't trying to start anything just really happy that caddy might be on the road to be world class again. Thats why I'm back. The last 3 cars I owned were German.....

Thanks for the response . Your right they do race a bit in Europe just not in the most important market in the world "USA." Where more than half of all European cars made end up...I wasn't trying to start anything just really happy that caddy might be on the road to be world class again. Thats why I'm back. The last 3 cars I owned were German.....
I hear you.
I have been hanging in the Japan world myself.
Now I have 2 V's (temporarily).
I considered a 3 Series but blew it off for bieng too heavy for such a small car.

I really do appreciate the performance we get from the V at such a great price (purchase and maintenance).
Even without using the warranty (due to mods) replacement parts are so cheap and plentifull it's no problem.

German cars are nice but they have plenty of their own issues and cost a fortune to maintain.
I still cant forgive how pig heavy they are.
At least the V is a big car which justifies it's mass.
I also am glad to see USA taking back the street cred that was once theirs.

I'm not sure if I want an 09V yet but I am pleased to see the base CTS getting so much hype.
When the mods become available for the 09V, I might jump into one.

BTW - Speed Touring Car is a US Race series.
It's the side-kick for Speed GT (where the V runs).

For all of you badmouthing Motor Trend I just got my Sept edition in the mail and it says of the 2009 CTS on the front cover:

BEST DAMN CADDY IN 50 YEARS

They love the car on the Nurburgring and they espcially like the new 6 speed developed by Sigma products. They say it decreases lap times 5 to 8 seconds over the automatic. Now if GM can just find a way to mate it to a supercharged LS(whatever) with a beefed up rear, we have got the perfect V.

So the only thing I'm banking on is that the V will have to live up to a lot of hype created by this review. Let's hope Cadillac doesn't dissappoint us.

Of course I meant 2008 CTS. And they will probably put the Tremec tranny (with the POS linkage) in the V.

They, just gained a lot of ground on american cars thru the 70's and 80's and it takes a long time for american cars to win that back.


Especially when nearly every publication in this country puts BMW next to Godliness. :bighead:

For all of you badmouthing Motor Trend I just got my Sept edition in the mail and it says of the 2009 CTS on the front cover:

BEST DAMN CADDY IN 50 YEARS

Yup. And the hypocrites also said this:

This is an American car with a German chassis: not exactly like a Mercedes or a BMW...

Just about every manufacturer is now making the best cars they have made in 50 years. That's what is called progress. So what kind of compliment is that supposed to be? It is patronizing if you ask me.

And why the hell does everyone else get their MT a week before me? Another reason I am through with that yellow rag.

If the New V can hand an M5 it's ass that will be a crowning achivement for Cadillac.

That is very true. I will be first on the list to get one. Come on GM. Don't let us down. Bring us the MONSTA!
And give us some info...

Got my Motor Trend today. Got to read the article finally for myself....and all I could do is think about 200 more hp and 200 more tq than what was tested and I nearly wet myself...lol This new V is going to kick M5 ass and do it under 65k. IM IN:thumbsup:

:thepan:

In case the information has been tainted with trackable "disinformation" I will summarize but must be vague. I do not rule this out as being an intentional leak.

- The "Corvette SS" undeniably a go.
- We are at the very beginning of the program.
- Will be limited #s
- Not indicated to be "blue devil".
- Will be outfitted with a "charged" LS9.
- This will be a Corvette-only motor not to be in a caddy.
- The LS9 is a smaller displacement motor than the LS7.

Thanks to DigitalCorvettes for this info....

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not to be in a caddy...

F & L5: who buys the first round 'o spensive Scotch at NAIAS?


Wait until you see it in person- the dimensions of this car are perfect.

Ya dat. It's ****ing gorgeous in person. Dunno why it's not translating into the photos.

Yes, I said f u c k ing gorgeous, censors...

Motor Trend... srsly...

not to be in a caddy...

F & L5: who buys the first round 'o spensive Scotch at NAIAS?





Scotch.....only if its Talisker or Oban....that peaty stuff is just, well, peaty.


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Bah. Macallan 12 or Balvanie 15. Lagavulin 16 for a little peat. Laphroaig 15 if you feel like some major smoke.

What were we talking about again?

Bah. Macallan 12 or Balvanie 15. Lagavulin 16 for a little peat. Laphroaig 15 if you feel like some major smoke.

I can do a Macallan, suits me just fine.


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I need a info fix urr rumor ........ And another beer....:alchi:

Check out Car and Driver.com, test of the 08 CTS V-6 shows that it weighs 4038lbs!!! That is certainly bad news for the next V. With the 304 HP V6 the car does 14.6 in the 1/4 and 5.8 0-60, so it still gets clobbered by the 335i, and IS 350.
Wonder how much an S/C V is going to weigh in at, I think it may need the rumored 600 hp to be competitive.

I don't know. Keep the weight in check (preferably <3800 lbs) and give it 500hp and you'll have a hell of a ride. I don't care so much about 0-60 anymore as that is simply a traction test. 10-90 and 120-0 matter much, much more at this point, along with slalom (no, I didn't say schlong) and EXCELLENT BUILD QUALITY with nearly perfect fit and finish.

WW

Still and all... that's nearly 200 pounds more than our version. Even if I do my part and stop cheating on this diet and lose a bunch of weight, I can't help much relatively speaking.

Aftermarket: attack!! Can carbon fiber body panels be far behind?

Hoping they produce some V's with no sunroof...

I can see shaving 200 lbs from a CTS - take the sound deadening out, bore out the diff housing, use thin wall half-shafts, lightweight clutch (with uber heavy flywheel to make up for it), skimp on paint on the radio buttons, fill the battery only half way with water, refrain from installing heavy and unnecessary items like: handbrake, bluetooth, voice recognition, functional nav, etc.

Wait, I feel like I'm going back in time.

WW (pretending to be a hater)

Check out Car and Driver.com, test of the 08 CTS V-6 shows that it weighs 4038lbs!!! That is certainly bad news for the next V. With the 304 HP V6 the car does 14.6 in the 1/4 and 5.8 0-60, so it still gets clobbered by the 335i, and IS 350.
Wonder how much an S/C V is going to weigh in at, I think it may need the rumored 600 hp to be competitive.
Manufacturer estimates are 3850 to 4100 lbs depending upon suspension, engine, and AWD vs RWD. The FE3 package w/ RWD and the 3.6 liter direct fuel injected engine and 6 speed manual was MT's choice. The 2" wider track has probably added some weight along with the AWD. Weight is one good reason to do without the AWD option, if available, on the future V. We need 600 hp to move this mass!

Weight is one good reason to do without the AWD option, if available, on the future V. We need 600 hp to move this mass!

1. No AWD on V
2. 600HP wont happen.



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F -

you're effin wrong.

600hp will in fact happen on MY V - and then some :lildevil:

WW

Here's what I think of AWD and 4K+ lbs (Always willing to drink - fugly - but not quite 4K lbs yet - yeah - that's WW alright)

:haha:

F -

you're effin wrong.

600hp will in fact happen on MY V - and then some :lildevil:

WW


I hope so, I would expect nothing less....I'll soon be in the 600HP V club....LS7 is one step closer to happening this evening.


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I hope so, I would expect nothing less....I'll soon be in the 600HP V club....LS7 is one step closer to happening this evening.


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So have you, unlike GM, found a way to get 600 hp out of a LS7 (or any other LS_ for that matter) without supercharging? - the perfect recipe for the 2009 V!

Here's what I think of AWD and 4K+ lbs (Always willing to drink - fugly - but not quite 4K lbs yet - yeah - that's WW alright)Moly, moly, moly, Mr. Mole...

So have you, unlike GM, found a way to get 600 hp out of a LS7 (or any other LS_ for that matter) without supercharging? - the perfect recipe for the 2009 V!

A simple cam swap and headers will put the LS7 over 600 fwhp. It's been done in several C6 Z's already.

Please GM under 4000lbs pleeeaaassse:)

Is a sunroof really that heavy.:confused: Is it larger than standard size?

Yes- the new V needs to be made without the "Ultraview" sunroof. It consists of a power sliding glass panel (like we have now) PLUS a fixed glasss panel of equal size behind it, which makes a panoramic glass roof.

I'll take mine without, please.

So have you, unlike GM, found a way to get 600 hp out of a LS7 (or any other LS_ for that matter) without supercharging? - the perfect recipe for the 2009 V!


Rich,

Its almost too easy to get 600 out of the LS7. The LS7 in actuality is puttin out about 535HP, a set of headers, new cam and heads will get you 625 w/o breathing too hard.


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Yes- the new V needs to be made without the "Ultraview" sunroof. It consists of a power sliding glass panel (like we have now) PLUS a fixed glasss panel of equal size behind it, which makes a panoramic glass roof.

I'll take mine without, please.

Me too.:thumbsup:

Sure alot of talk now with the LS7 under the hood. The LS7 mod's very easy with alot of vendors already on board....:bouncy:

I was reading my Automobile magazine yesterday, they are putting their money on the LS7 as well.
I wont be rushing out to buy an 09, but if I were, I would want natural aspiration myself.

Bad news: The plans to have it at the Salesman's training on Wednesday don't look like they're going to happen.

However, I'll reiterate my recurring post since I haven't in about 10 pages- Just over 500hp, solid launch ability, available automatic and under $60k. :D

However, I'll reiterate my recurring post since I haven't in about 10 pages- Just over 500hp, solid launch ability, available automatic and under $60k. :D

i'll reiterate that Motor Trend > *


LSWTF BABY

heres to scoring top of page 8

EPA curb weight doesn't include sunroof, which I think adds about ~50lbs for the V. The new V will not likely be under 4000lbs. Maybe under 4500 though. :D :wes::gnome:

Rich,

Its almost too easy to get 600 out of the LS7. The LS7 in actuality is puttin out about 535HP, a set of headers, new cam and heads will get you 625 w/o breathing too hard.
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Florian,
You missed my point. ANY engine can be modified with aftermarket items like these to achieve a 20% to 30% hp increase. However, there are compromises that result like driveability, reliability, gas mileage, or just plain cost. So my point is what would GM be willing to do to make the LS7 a 600 hp powerplant other than supercharging which is well demonstrated in the commercial industry. If it were that easy why isn't the current Z06 running with 600 hp instead of 505 hp (535?) with a naturally aspirated LS7 engine?

Florian,
You missed my point. ANY engine can be modified with aftermarket items like these to achieve a 20% to 30% hp increase. However, there are compromises that result like driveability, reliability, gas mileage, or just plain cost. So my point is what would GM be willing to do to make the LS7 a 600 hp powerplant other than supercharging which is well demonstrated in the commercial industry. If it were that easy why isn't the current Z06 running with 600 hp instead of 505 hp (535?) with a naturally aspirated LS7 engine?

My guess? You sell more cars with incremental upgrades every year or few years. Plain and simple - $$$$$$$$$$$$

WW

My guess? You sell more cars with incremental upgrades every year or few years. Plain and simple - $$$$$$$$$$$$

WW

Sounds like the computer industry, but sadly it's probably true.

Florian,
You missed my point. ANY engine can be modified with aftermarket items like these to achieve a 20% to 30% hp increase. However, there are compromises that result like driveability, reliability, gas mileage, or just plain cost. So my point is what would GM be willing to do to make the LS7 a 600 hp powerplant other than supercharging which is well demonstrated in the commercial industry. If it were that easy why isn't the current Z06 running with 600 hp instead of 505 hp (535?) with a naturally aspirated LS7 engine?


Rich,

Sorry, I guess I did miss your point. The LS7 is a beast....BUT, for high HP, GM is choosing to go the supercharger route on a smaller plant on their Corvette SS (or whatever they call it). Why? Likely a few items, one of them being CAFE restrictions, also, cost of production. The LS9 will share many components with other engine platforms, unlike the LS7 which is singular entity. The LS7 has a few drawbacks as well, like a dry sump (which one could modify to be a wet sump w/the right parts.) and hypereutectic pistons that limit your upper HP ranges. Youd need forged pistons to truly see some more HP from the LS7.

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My guess? You sell more cars with incremental upgrades every year or few years. Plain and simple - $$$$$$$$$$$$

WW

:dammit::yeah: I remember when I was growing up in the 70's a Vette had 190HP, that was a big deal. They went to 210 and it was CRAZY!!!! Its all about the dough.


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Just like Porsche. The 911's each year get little to no HP increase. The current 911S has 355hp. Big deal Vette's had that back in 01. They sell every 911 with a little here and a little there. MAKES more profit and blurs the line year to year on resale. Thats what we need help with RESALE......

Don't Talk to ME about resale :nono:

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less fees.

WW

Don't Talk to ME about resale :nono:

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less fees.

WW

Sorry about that WW.

Yeah, I don't think I'll ever sell it. But just in case I DO sell it, I've purposely not kept track of how much I've put into it. Because I don't want to know the delta. Ack. I'm just saying.

Yeah, I don't think I'll ever sell it. But just in case I DO sell it, I've purposely not kept track of how much I've put into it. Because I don't want to know the delta. Ack. I'm just saying.

No kidding. I had a customer the other day looking for a used V (which I do not have any of at the moment). They asked me what I'd sell mine for and how much I had in mods, at which point I started itemizing:

-CAI
-Kooks
-Magnaflow Cats
-Corsa
-Z06 FW
-Z06 Clutch
-Z06 PP
-Stealth Tune
-UUC shifter + Bushings
-Drilled rotors
-Polished Wheels
-Colored Center caps
-LED Conversion (interior and exterior)
-Lastss interior pieces (full set)
-Embroidered mats
-Tint
-Redline shift boot
-FRCs
-CF manifold cover
-07 STB w/V logo
-iPod connector


After putting an approximate dollar value on each mod, I became very attached to my 2004.

^^ I've added my mods up for my WRX before. That almost made me cry.

Anyways I found out yesterday that my friend is going to be transferred to the 09 V program from the Mustang that we was on for the brake system. Hopefully he'll be able to bring one out soon. My other friend that has a couple 09s at his shop but can't take me for a ride, or even let me in the area of the car for confidentiality reason. I'm not going to risk my friend's job, or my own as you know, just for you guys. ;)

I guess I dont understand moditis. I prefer keeping the car stock, mechanically anyway. Even so, I have no plans of selling this car or trading it in. Unless my wife is unable to find a job next year and I need the funds :crybaby:

^^ I've added my mods up for my WRX before. That almost made me cry.

Anyways I found out yesterday that my friend is going to be transferred to the 09 V program from the Mustang that we was on for the brake system. Hopefully he'll be able to bring one out soon. My other friend that has a couple 09s at his shop but can't take me for a ride, or even let me in the area of the car for confidentiality reason. I'm not going to risk my friend's job, or my own as you know, just for you guys. ;)

SLACKER!!


(j/k)

I know...I'm so amateur. One thing that I do know from the friend that is doing the fuel system, besides what I've already said, is that the mule for the V motor is actually a STS-V to keep the prying eyes away. Very, very sneaky.

No kidding. I had a customer the other day looking for a used V (which I do not have any of at the moment). They asked me what I'd sell mine for and how much I had in mods, at which point I started itemizing:

-CAI
-Kooks
-Magnaflow Cats
-Corsa
-Z06 FW
-Z06 Clutch
-Z06 PP
-Stealth Tune
-UUC shifter + Bushings
-Drilled rotors
-Polished Wheels
-Colored Center caps
-LED Conversion (interior and exterior)
-Lastss interior pieces (full set)
-Embroidered mats
-Tint
-Redline shift boot
-FRCs
-CF manifold cover
-07 STB w/V logo
-iPod connector


After putting an approximate dollar value on each mod, I became very attached to my 2004.

You call those mods?
That list is more like prep for mods to come. :stirpot:

I have a car cover... That I don't use.

I guess I dont understand moditis. I prefer keeping the car stock, mechanically anyway. Even so, I have no plans of selling this car or trading it in. Unless my wife is unable to find a job next year and I need the funds :crybaby:

I wish I had the willpower to keep mine stock. Just not possible for me.

http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1054

This link was on the gminsidenews forums...:stirpot:

:drool::drool::drool::drool:

http://willneverdie.ytmnd.com/

^^ Picks fights with bunnies in a cup


So, how great is that rumor? Great! How likely, though? What useless item that weighs 300 pounds can they eliminate? Besides my mother-in-law in the back seat?

You call those mods?
That list is more like prep for mods to come. :stirpot:

Yea, only because you just bought a Mallett!

I drove the piss out of the '08 Direct Injection model today, and one thing's for certain:

That new body, chassis and interior are stellar. 500+ horsepower on top of that is going to be ridiculously awesome.

I drove the piss out of the '08 Direct Injection model today, and one thing's for certain:

That new body, chassis and interior are stellar. 500+ horsepower on top of that is going to be ridiculously awesome.

You saying it handles better than the current V?
Details please.

Body and Intereior are a matter of taste so I am not really concerned with hearing about that.

I drove the piss out of the '08 Direct Injection model today, and one thing's for certain:

That new body, chassis and interior are stellar. 500+ horsepower on top of that is going to be ridiculously awesome.

PLEASE, Please more details of the driving experience. I felt the same way after reading the motor trend article thinking how much they liked it and how it handled just add 200 more hp and 200 more tq and you've got one hell of a super sedan:thepan:

... and did you get underneath it? Differential-wise?

The FE3 equipped car felt like it had a lot less body roll and quicker turn-in than my V. It could be due to a better sway bar/end link setup or the reduction in weight over the front axle (3.6L vs 5.7L), but the car was pretty light on its feet. Steering feel is dialed back a little from the current CTS, but I wouldn't describe it as numb, just slightly more insulated.

As far as the diff, the new rockers are so low I couldn't crawl under the car, but I did get a good look from behind. The rear of the case has an added attachment point to the subframe that sits on a different plane than the existing ones (The current model is attached upward and front to rear, but not side to side- this one is). The main thing I wanted to see (the front of the cradle that lifts under hard launches) was not visible while sitting on the ground. If I'd had a flashlight, I might have been able to see something, but no such luck.

http://willneverdie.ytmnd.com/

Dude, I'm cryin'. Thanks.

The FE3 equipped car felt like it had a lot less body roll and quicker turn-in than my V. It could be due to a better sway bar/end link setup or the reduction in weight over the front axle (3.6L vs 5.7L), but the car was pretty light on its feet. Steering feel is dialed back a little from the current CTS, but I wouldn't describe it as numb, just slightly more insulated.

As far as the diff, the new rockers are so low I couldn't crawl under the car, but I did get a good look from behind. The rear of the case has an added attachment point to the subframe that sits on a different plane than the existing ones (The current model is attached upward and front to rear, but not side to side- this one is). The main thing I wanted to see (the front of the cradle that lifts under hard launches) was not visible while sitting on the ground. If I'd had a flashlight, I might have been able to see something, but no such luck.

So how many G's did you pull on the G meter?

If the FE3 car had the Pilot Sport 2 tires, that alone should account for a handling improvement.

Is your V FG2 equipped (for comparison sake)?

I drove the piss out of the '08 Direct Injection model today, and one thing's for certain:

That new body, chassis and interior are stellar. 500+ horsepower on top of that is going to be ridiculously awesome.

Hi Tony,
Motor Trend says the DI engine is coarse/ rough especially at high RPM's.
What's your opinion on the engine? Hope they are wrong.
Thanks

^^^ Have we learned nothing about what MT says?!?!?!?!? cough.....bs......cough

Car and Driver says Motor Trend is dog shit.

Yeah?

CVP says L5 is dogshit! Lotus says Lambo is dogshit - Magnuson says gas is dogshit - and I say the fact that I'm stuck in a phuqin Lexus for 3 years is dogshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WW

lotus exige...

Tony, did you drive both transmissions? How were the gear ratios in both? Autoweek complained that the ratios were too wide and about having to down shift to catch it's torque curve. Any thoughts, thanks....:thumbsup:

Tony, did you drive both transmissions? How were the gear ratios in both? Autoweek complained that the ratios were too wide and about having to down shift to catch it's torque curve. Any thoughts, thanks....:thumbsup:
LOL - That would be typical wide ratio american gearing. :alchi:

lotus exige...

You forgot the S, and the fact that there is a +20% tune (guess) out in a week or so...

WW

Making my point, Lexus Boy.

I :gurl: you

Making my point, Lexus Boy.

I :gurl: you

:haha:

The FE3 had the Pilot Sport 2 tires, which I agree would have a big impact on handling. My V has the FE4 suspension, not FG2. They did a few other things to improve the balance, like moving the battery to the trunk.

The DI engine was in no way "harsh" or "granular" at high RPMs. In fact, it had a reedy exhaust note, almost like a Porsche.

There were no manual transmission cars there, just automatics.

Did they give you any word on why the V was a no-show? Or just, "it's not ready yet."

they are still watching this thread and getting ideas

i wonder how chrysler is going to respond with the SRT. the srtforum guys are shittin their pants wondering how badly the new V is going to hand them their asses

The buzz on the street is that the big-ass crate race Hemi is going into the Challenger year 2. Should make it a contendah.

Did they give you any word on why the V was a no-show? Or just, "it's not ready yet."

Extremely evasive, almost to the point that I suspected they were not on the "need to know basis" list.

They did absolutely confirm the coupe model is coming soon after the '08, probably as an early '09.

Hot damn!!

Okay, I'll admit ahead of time that this is stupid.

I've been planning on buying an autopaddle/autostick whatever slusher 4-door 2009 CTS-V. Tell me why, now that I'm thinking 'coupe,' I'm thinking 'manual?' It should not make a difference, right? I've already got a manual transmission V. I'm still facing the same traffic with a daily driver. There's nothing (other than aesthetics) truly different between the coupe and sedan, right? So... why?

Okay, I'll admit ahead of time that this is stupid.

I've been planning on buying an autopaddle/autostick whatever slusher 4-door 2009 CTS-V. Tell me why, now that I'm thinking 'coupe,' I'm thinking 'manual?' It should not make a difference, right? I've already got a manual transmission V. I'm still facing the same traffic with a daily driver. There's nothing (other than aesthetics) truly different between the coupe and sedan, right? So... why?

There's plenty of good reasons. The coupe will have a shorter wheelbase and be lighter, which equals better handling and acceleration.