A supercharger only costs GM about 4K (since they probably get a massive discount).
All they need is a CR adjustment to the pistons or heads of engines they already have.
I think the misunderstanding is that people think we will get the same engine as Blue-Devil/SS/Z07.
Perhaps the V engine will have similarities but clearly will not be the same internally or in rated HP.

We can blame the Slush-Box wanting babies for that. :crybaby:
We had out chance to show GM we are hard core performance junkies but failed. :thepan:

Half of you guys are crying about rear tires wearing out too soon on your 400HP Hot Rod Sedan. :bigroll:

Do you really think you deserve to be given a 600HP car?

:yeah:

News flash: Over 500hp is extremely rare and stupid fast. To get 600hp out of a Viper, Dodge had to put an 8.4L V10 in the thing,

You forgot the part that even with fat tires it cant put all 600 on the ground.


You'd have to be crazy to think GM is dumb enough to price themselves out of the market by getting into a HP pissing contest with the Germans. This car will be benchmarked against the performance of its rivals, not the dyno results.

I can see it now:
09 V = 525 hp
10 M5=600 hp
12 V = 650 hp
13 M5 = 750 hp
15 V = 800 hp
etc etc etc

You forgot the part that even with fat tires it cant put all 600 on the ground.



My point exactly- Everyone needs to stop worrying about who has the better dyno queen. The car will be succeed or fail based on handling, acceleration, refinement and durability (emphasis on the latter), not peak HP numbers.

Go ask WildWhl if he cares that a Corvette makes more power than his Exige.

Power/weight ratio and gearing > Horsepower

I don't want to piss off Kadonny, I hear he's deadly with that cane.

:)

Fookin' right young boy. Ph33r me.

It'll happen (the 500hp one). The only reason the STS-V is so expensive is that the Northstar costs twice as much to make as a pushrod V8.

I'm making this a habit about every three posts on the subject so I can say "I told you so" in a few months:

Just over 500hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $60k


Just so I am on record with this, I'll quote Tony again. I totally agree with this statement. Just over 500 hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $ 60k.

Just so I am on record with this, I'll quote Tony again. I totally agree with this statement. Just over 500 hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $ 60k.


Solid launch capability. I wonder if the new V is going to have the same "You're never gonna do a decent burn out in this car" computer technology that the upcoming Vettes are rumored to have?

GM has proven time and time again that they will share the high end Vette motors (with slight variations) with other product.

But I'm not holding my breath for 600hp.

Well then Lutz can blow me. He told me "unexpectedly high" hp numbers. I expect 525hp. I don't expect 600hp.

DAMN IT! I WANT SATISFACTION!

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DAMN IT! I WANT SATISFACTION!

lol, I was saying that just last night.

for the record, i called this one months ago...all hail the great V driver from the north...

He's been in V's, and he can't tell us anything. People lose their jobs over stuff like this, unfortunately.

Yup. ;)

It'll happen (the 500hp one). The only reason the STS-V is so expensive is that the Northstar costs twice as much to make as a pushrod V8.

I'm making this a habit about every three posts on the subject so I can say "I told you so" in a few months:

Just over 500hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $60k
Yeah all of that....I'm still saying its going to have some type of launch control. ONE more thing. I never said 600hp is too much. Thats just crazy, not too much. I'm buying one no matter what the hp rating. I'm ready.....:thumbsup:

600 HP for 55k won't happen. Even 500 hp for 55k is doubtful.

I mean, that's what I've been thinking! 600 hp for under 55k relative to 400 hp for 50 k (msrp) is actually a cheaper car! And when you factor in inflation there is no way that the '09 V will have 600 hp and be under 55k. I hope I'm wrong becuase if I am I'm buying one tomorrow.

Let's not forget things are generally getting more expensive....

If anybody is interested in my two cents, which you probably aren't, but here it is so listen the f**k up!

All this care needs is as follows:

1. Moderately flared fenders with at least 285's in the rear giving it an aggressive stance

2. 500 - 600 hp, obviously the more the better

3. Manual tranny, maybe with an optional auto for those who need it

4. Decent colours (including white!)

5. A solid rear end

6. No goofy tail lights with nipples on them

7. BLUETOOTH!!!

8. Adjustable suspension with so many other Caddys and Corvettes have

9. A competitive driving or sport mode which actually adjust the engine power and not just the stabilitrack and traction setup

10. Tblack behind the wheel*


*optional

OK, a comment from a female. :eek:

<begin rant> MORE FREAKIN INTERIOR STORAGE WOULD BE NICE!! I need to store those cosmetics so I can apply mascara while buzzing along at 80 mph. j/k!!! But PLEASE. A decent console and a glovebox big enough for actual GLOVES. <end rant>

Oh, and a locking gas cap since gas will be the next big jacking item. Or at least an interior gas door release thingy. "Dey jacked my gaz."

"Dey jacked my gaz."

LOL :histeric:

All the speculation will soon be moot. The Dealer training tour is getting ready to make the rounds, and we get to drive the cars. I'm scheduled to drive it on August 1st, and you can bet I'll be back with pics and info (unless someone from a dealer earlier on the tour beats me to it).

All the speculation will soon be moot.

Yeah but look how much fun everyone is having, especially Urb...

LOL :histeric:

All the speculation will soon be moot. The Dealer training tour is getting ready to make the rounds, and we get to drive the cars. I'm scheduled to drive it on August 1st, and you can bet I'll be back with pics and info (unless someone from a dealer earlier on the tour beats me to it).

This thread will be a lot longer on August 2nd with folks asking where the hell are those pics you promised. And cute and lovable penguins will not be an acceptable substitute. Seriously, doesn't GM block you from taking and posting pics on this tour before the auto show debut of the V? Of course, that's what Monster.com is for...

Brian R.

6. No goofy tail lights with nipples on them


Yeah, I want nipples in my V. Definitely. Nipples. Definitely nipples. In my V.

Speaking of which:

OK, a comment from a female. :eek:

<begin rant> MORE FREAKIN INTERIOR STORAGE WOULD BE NICE!! I need to store those cosmetics so I can apply mascara while buzzing along at 80 mph. j/k!!! But PLEASE. A decent console and a glovebox big enough for actual GLOVES. <end rant>



Hi Baby Doll. My understanding is, that's what those big fracking purses are for.

I'm scheduled to drive it on August 1st
Uh... where will this be? Just curious. I wouldn't think of sneaking in. :eyes:

And... if they've got something that they're willing to train dealers on, does that mean it's really, really, close to the final version even though we're well over a year from release?

Along those lines, when would something reliable, if not official, be announced?

My V is a company car, and for tax reasons, I am considering getting a new car before the year is out. At this point, it would most likely be an M5 (need 4 doors).

However, the news is good enough on the new V that I might push that decision off, if something more official gets released before, say, November.

Will something be forthcoming by then?

This thread will be a lot longer on August 2nd with folks asking where the hell are those pics you promised. And cute and lovable penguins will not be an acceptable substitute. Seriously, doesn't GM block you from taking and posting pics on this tour before the auto show debut of the V? Of course, that's what Monster.com is for...

Brian R.

Bottom line? I won't do anything that jeopardizes my career- I have way too much invested for that. That being said, once they let us bunch of yahoos see the car, the cat's pretty much out of the bag. Find me a car salesman who can keep a secret :).

I'll ask around, and if one single person gives me persmission to share it with a group of enthusiasts who are potential (and current) customers, I'll come through for everyone here.

Uh... where will this be? Just curious. I wouldn't think of sneaking in. :eyes:

If I told you I'd have to kill you. They are usually held at an empty airport where a "course" can be set up.



And... if they've got something that they're willing to train dealers on, does that mean it's really, really, close to the final version even though we're well over a year from release?

Yes it does.

Woof!

My V is a company car, and for tax reasons, I am considering getting a new car before the year is out. At this point, it would most likely be an M5 (need 4 doors).
Okay, I'll be the first to ask: does your company have any openings? :lol:

Bottom line? I won't do anything that jeopardizes my career- I have way too much invested for that. That being said, once they let us bunch of yahoos see the car, the cat's pretty much out of the bag. Find me a car salesman who can keep a secret :).

I'll ask around, and if one single person gives me persmission to share it with a group of enthusiasts who are potential (and current) customers, I'll come through for everyone here.
The corporate dildo weenies... er, stuffed shirts... er, executives would be well-served by giving an early preview of this baby to a select group of enthused enthusiasts who already own CTS-V's, to enhance their enthusiasm. :licks chops: I hereby volunteer for this weighty task. Make it so. Engage.

weenies

Okay, I'll be the first to ask: does your company have any openings? :lol:

Several, but since I am a partner , I'm the only with a company car like that.:thumbsup:

My partner's car is a 2007 Range Rover supercharged that he just bought a few weeks ago.

Our other car is a worn out, broken down, dented up, Town and Country minivan, but I never drive that one.:bighead:

The corporate dildo weenies... er, stuffed shirts... er, executives would be well-served by giving an early preview of this baby to a select group of enthused enthusiasts who already own CTS-V's, to enhance their enthusiasm. :licks chops: I hereby volunteer for this weighty task. Make it so. Engage.

and renting a track out to preview it on? :bdmuffin:

Several, but since I am a partner , I'm the only with a company car like that.:thumbsup:

My partner's car is a 2007 Range Rover supercharged that he just bought a few weeks ago.

Our other car is a worn out, broken down, dented up, Town and Country minivan, but I never drive that one.:bighead:

Maybe you should trade in the Minivan for a Tow Truck to handle the Range Rover. :bouncy:

so, did anyone see this yet?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121130

do they know anything more than anyone else?

I think it is entirely possible that bulge is just GM sowing disinformation, and get people like MT and us to do exactly what we are doing, let our imaginations run wild. And I still think the guys at GM are reading all of this and laughing their collective derriers off.

so, did anyone see this yet?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121130

do they know anything more than anyone else?

This is beginning to get interesting. Would GM try to fool us all with a fake "bulge" in the hood in the prototype? Or is is possible they are testing both with and without a SC? The important thing, in my opinion, is to get a rock solid engine with some Corvette heritage - and I think the LS7 fills the bill!

You guys said, "bulge."

My original rumor wuz: LS7, NA and FI versions, stick and auto.

Vee shall see...

, NA and FI versions,

I think they are all Fuel Injected now... :lol:

Oh, har har, it is to laugh. :lol:

But they aren't all both fuel injected AND Not Applicable...

Oh, har har, it is to laugh. :lol:

But they aren't all both fuel injected AND Not Applicable...

In the case of the SRT, it is Negative Aspiration and Fuel Inhibited. (I have no clue what I mean by that.)

Back on topic:

I definitely think GM would do a fake hood bulge. Look at the way they wrap entire test mules in leather nose masks. Isnt the 300/Charger due for a redesign? We arent the only ones spying on the new V and GM doesnt want to give away the farm. And I still dont think the (hand-built) LS7 is in the CTS's future.

I've heard of people stuffing fake bulges in their pants, but this is just ridiculous.....

In the case of the SRT, it is Negative Aspiration and Fuel Inhibited. (I have no clue what I mean by that.)

Back on topic:

I definitely think GM would do a fake hood bulge. Look at the way they wrap entire test mules in leather nose masks. Isnt the 300/Charger due for a redesign? We arent the only ones spying on the new V and GM doesnt want to give away the farm. And I still dont think the (hand-built) LS7 is in the CTS's future.
I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to use 'bulge,' 'mules,' 'leather,' and 'masks' in the same paragraph. :thehand:

urb does it all the time. :alchi:

I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to use 'bulge,' 'mules,' 'leather,' and 'masks' in the same paragraph. :thehand:

Isn't that a scene from the new Hostel?

My partner's car is a 2007 Range Rover supercharged that he just bought a few weeks ago.

Our other car is a worn out, broken down, dented up, Town and Country minivan, but I never drive that one.:bighead:


You should bet your partner now which one of your two vehicles will get more visits to the dealership for problems. :)

I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to use 'bulge,' 'mules,' 'leather,' and 'masks' in the same paragraph. :thehand:

No, you can, just as long as 'whip' is not in said paragraph. :thepan:

How about "Crisco?"

How about "Crisco?"

Hey- glad I'm not the only one up this late. I have to tee off in less than 6 hours, and yet here I am. Dammit I need a life.....

How'd you do?

Not bad, actually. Time to detail the car and go for a drive. :thumbsup:

Would GM try to fool us all with a fake "bulge" in the hood in the prototype? Or is is possible they are testing both with and without a SC?

We..I mean they...would never do something like that!!! I'm just trying to track down the correct chassis engineer right now so that I can bolt up the 5 lug front and rear cradle to my car. :D

We..I mean they...would never do something like that!!! I'm just trying to track down the correct chassis engineer right now so that I can bolt up the 5 lug front and rear cradle to my car. :D

You are braver than I - I'm waiting till my warranty expires on my V to do any major upgrades. For the time being my supercharged T-Bird is keeping me busy since I'm getting ready to replace the head gaskets which are ready to go. Maybe I shouldn't be wishing for a supercharger on the 09 V if it creates the same problem although I think GM has a better head bolt pattern on their LS series.

My most definitive prediction:

Fer sur under $60K amd most likely under $55 for the base

Will have options this time to load up the price

Under $60k is a 100% pipe dream. How do you think it will cost less than a Z06 with a more powerful engine which will also mean a much stronger transmission, DS, and rear end. They will keep it under the price of an M5. I am guessing $85k but there is no way it will cost less than $70k. It will be around 600hp and Lutz did say that if BMW does not do something to the M5 that the V will suck the doors off of it.


It will be priced between the M3 and M5 and going after the M5 and being a better performer, it will be cloer in price to the M5 than the M3. I am saving my pennies now.

Time will tell.
But how far up the food chain can the CTS really go.
If a base CTS is 35K, then the V can't be double that.
It's already hard enogh on us seeing all the CTS on the road making us feel like one of the AARP crowd.
:alchi:

Without extensive lightening (like Z06) GM can't demand that much of a price jump.
We are really only talking about using off the shelf drivetrain parts and retrofitting to the V.
GM can do that for dirt cheap and should keep the cost resonable to us.
I would be more worried about greedy dealers trying to Market Adjust the car when it is first released.

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Time will tell.
But how far up the food chain can the CTS really go.
If a base CTS is 35K, then the V can't be double that.

Well, the MSRP on a 528i is $44,300.00 and the MSRP on an M5 is $82,500.00. I didn't add options to either, just left them plain, and I understand the 528i is the bottom of the barrel, but if BMW can nearly double the price between the base 5-series and the M5, why can't the difference between a base CTS and a V be nearly double?

Brian

Well, the MSRP on a 528i is $44,300.00 and the MSRP on an M5 is $82,500.00. I didn't add options to either, just left them plain, and I understand the 528i is the bottom of the barrel, but if BMW can nearly double the price between the base 5-series and the M5, why can't the difference between a base CTS and a V be nearly double?

Brian
The M5 is not parts bin engineering like the V.

Have you seen the Brake Rotors on an M5?
I forget what that technology is called but the disk is floating on pins.
The M5 engine is a V10 with formula-1 trickle down engineering behind it.

I'm just saying GM should not double the price, just because BMW does.
That would be insulting to our intellegence.
The next V will be very economical for GM to build (with a parts bin drivetrain) and GM should price it to us accordingly.

GM may need to cover their warranty costs though, so on that point, I could see a big price bump. :bigroll:

The M5 is not parts bin engineering like the V......

With you all the way....


L5: 'crisco' I think is ok, that should be up to Urb...

Under $60k is a 100% pipe dream. How do you think it will cost less than a Z06 with a more powerful engine which will also mean a much stronger transmission, DS, and rear end. They will keep it under the price of an M5. I am guessing $85k but there is no way it will cost less than $70k. It will be around 600hp and Lutz did say that if BMW does not do something to the M5 that the V will suck the doors off of it.


It will be priced between the M3 and M5 and going after the M5 and being a better performer, it will be cloer in price to the M5 than the M3. I am saving my pennies now.

Vee shall see vut vee shall see... :thumbsup:

Well, the MSRP on a 528i is $44,300.00 and the MSRP on an M5 is $82,500.00. I didn't add options to either, just left them plain, and I understand the 528i is the bottom of the barrel, but if BMW can nearly double the price between the base 5-series and the M5, why can't the difference between a base CTS and a V be nearly double?

Brian

The BMW example you quoted is a 79% price increase from the base to the M. If you compare base to base on the current-gen CTS, it's a similar ratio.

Base CTS (2.8L) - $30,670
Base CTS-V - $53,470

That's a 74% price increase from a base CTS to a base V.

The '09 CTS is expected to base out around $32,500, so if the bump for the V model stays the same, you're looking at $56,500.



Just over 500hp, awesome interior, solid launch ability and under $60k

The new Viper SRT is rumored to have only a modest increase in MSRP (5 thousand dollars) with the 600HP spike, new hood, and interior combination choices. If we follow this "parts bin" strategy which America manufactures are tied to (due to economies of scale) - expect MSRP between 60-65 thousand.

The new Viper SRT is rumored to have only a modest increase in MSRP (5 thousand dollars) with the 600HP spike, new hood, and interior combination choices. If we follow this "parts bin" strategy which America manufactures are tied to (due to economies of scale) - expect MSRP between 60-65 thousand.
I'm a buyer .

I'm a buyer .

If you're a buyer at $65k then call me up, because I'd love to sell a car for $8k over window sticker. :thumbsup:

Tony I don't think the sticker will be 55k. Thats just too good to be true. I think maybe 59k with no options. We will see. I'm still a buyer as long as it stays under 65k.:thumbsup:

Tony I don't think the sticker will be 55k. Thats just too good to be true. I think maybe 59k with no options. We will see. I'm still a buyer as long as it stays under 65k.:thumbsup:

Me too, but probably not the first year. As much as it pains me to admit it, I'm taking a seat on the sidelines and observing what happens with reliability before jumping in. Considering the beating the resale value of my current V has taken, I'll be in it for at least another 2 years before I feel I've gotten my money's worth.

I think it will be just over 55k. I don't think it will jump to 59K, I don't see it happening.

You have to look model year to model year. Caddy won't jump from 53 to 59.

My dream car was purchased at sticker because it was new and special as Caddy's first effort. From now on, I wait an extra year and call Chesrown...

Tony I understand completely..... As far as the no way 59k because of logic saying its only 53k now. I don't think so. I got a Z06 in 01 base price was 49k option out at about 53k and only rose 2-3k over the next 3 years. Then the new model with a ton more power and a host of improvements came in a 68k and now over 70k so yes there is a posibility you will see a price jump on the new V..... I don't like the idea of a 60+k V but if its great then it will be well worth it. So don't be suprised of a 59k sticker...:)

I think it will be just over 55k. I don't think it will jump to 59K, I don't see it happening.

You have to look model year to model year. Caddy won't jump from 53 to 59.


There was a 15K+ bump in msrp from the C5 TO C6Z06..
How fast you want to go is directly proportionate to how much you're willing to fork out.THe LS2 is a utility engine found in several platforms,so not really exclusive.If they do build this car like everyone on this board(me included)is hoping for it will be every bit of 70k,and they will sell every one for sticker.The general learned how to hold gross with the C6Z because of the blistering performance and low production.

JMHO

Me too, but probably not the first year. As much as it pains me to admit it, I'm taking a seat on the sidelines and observing what happens with reliability before jumping in. Considering the beating the resale value of my current V has taken, I'll be in it for at least another 2 years before I feel I've gotten my money's worth.

What beating? $40,000 for an 05 2.5 years and 30,000 miles ago and it's still worth $30,000.

That ain't much of a beating.

My dream car was purchased at sticker because it was new and special as Caddy's first effort. From now on, I wait an extra year and call Chesrown...

DING DING DING. Mo Truererer werds never spoken.

-Chris

My dream car was purchased at sticker because it was new and special as Caddy's first effort. From now on, I wait an extra year and call Chesrown...

This is how you move to the front of the line!!!:thumbsup:

I have sold 4 company 2006 Z06's for $59-$62500. I will hope to get the same kind of savings on company V's. No word yet on the price. When we find out I will pass it on.
Thanks
David

i've heard the target is still mid to upper 50's...final costing isnt done yet so it's all just guessing at what the bean counters will do.
b

This is how you move to the front of the line!!!:thumbsup:

I have sold 4 company 2006 Z06's for $59-$62500. I will hope to get the same kind of savings on company V's. No word yet on the price. When we find out I will pass it on.
Thanks
David

By company - do you mean your company, or do you mean a corporate-owned V (as in, my company car).

I got less than invoice as a fleet purchase on the Escalade. For the V, I got something like sticker minus 1k. But, I bought an '05 as soon as they were available. I Just figured it was the price of admission for a new model, bought when I wanted it - not a year later.

I expect to do the same thing when the new one comes out.

Unlike people say on the M5 forums, I cross-shopped this car with M5's. At the time, BMW was between models, and lightly used M5's were asking more than they paid a year before, mostly because new ones were unavailable, and there was a big price increase to the revamped M5.

If I had to buy a new car today, it would be an M5. For tax reasons, it is possible I'll have to do that by the end of the year.

However, if the news is good on the new V (as in similar or better performance to the M5, better interior than present, and you can actually use the power w/o destroying the car), then I'd jump in at a price point that is 10-15k less than an M5 (which would put it at 65-70).

I don't get the "60k is too much because it's American" idea. It all depends on what you get for that money. Given the other option (M5) is 85k, 65 still seems like a bargain.

One thing that would be a cool addition to the purchase of a V, and possibly add to the exclusive feel, is a trip to driving school included, like the M5 does. If you buy an M car, you get a trip to the Performance Driving School in SC included. That would be a nice benny to add to the V purchase, even if the MSRP went up a little to cover it.

lets see. Beefed up diff, nicer interior and 100 more hp with just a 2 grand bump? :alchi: Ok. I do know this much....the slushbox will be at least 59K.

NO SLUSHBOX!!!!

Attn GM (if you are listening), keep this car in exclusive company: no clutch, no V!

DSG is fine and well, but lets keep it traditional!

selling more = lower price.

Offer a slush box. I won't buy one but if they offered it they'd double their sales and I could have a 500 hp '09 V a lot cheaper.

If you want exclusive, buy a Maserati.

Good point, but I doubt GM wants to sell alot of them. My fear is that after a couple years, almost all cts-v will be automatics, and you wont find a manual.

But then I just bought my V, I have no intentions in buying a second gen. So none of this even matters to me really.

NO SLUSHBOX!!!!

Attn GM (if you are listening), keep this car in exclusive company: no clutch, no V!

DSG is fine and well, but lets keep it traditional!

Ooooo, post of the day!! Thx Jimmy, I'm in for a DSG, $59K or whatever. Mah daylie fwy drivah...

It better not come with an auto option. I'd rather pay more and have the car be more exclusive.

This is how you move to the front of the line!!!:thumbsup:

I have sold 4 company 2006 Z06's for $59-$62500. I will hope to get the same kind of savings on company V's. No word yet on the price. When we find out I will pass it on.
Thanks
David
I'm in too. :D

Broadswords at dawn, Jon!!




(Are 'broadswords' made from what I think they're made from...?)

In ur dreamz.

My dream car was purchased at sticker because it was new and special as Caddy's first effort. From now on, I wait an extra year and call Chesrown...
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Something I never thought I'd EVAR see in a BJ post... :nono:

It better not come with an auto option. I'd rather pay more and have the car be more exclusive.
:yeah:
I like what I am hearing from the V brotherhood. :thumbsup:

U guyz can hold out fer the 3 axle and diesel versions; those should be pretty exclusive. I'll take the auto.

^^ :yeah:

Still up, eh Baby Doll?

Not for long. :yawn:

Something I never thought I'd EVAR see in a BJ post... :nono:Da SHO rox alzzz!

And the hits just keep on comin'! HERE (http://http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6070614.002/page/1/country/acf/cadillac/cadillac-cts-v-latest-spy-photos) are MORE new V spy photos! This has to be the most photographed prototype out there right now almost. If it's not 550+hp, these spy photographers, magazines, and bloggers need to go find new work cause I don't think a car that just matches the competition on HP deserves this much coverage.

And the hits just keep on comin'! HERE (http://http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6070614.002/page/1/country/acf/cadillac/cadillac-cts-v-latest-spy-photos) are MORE new V spy photos! This has to be the most photographed prototype out there right now almost. If it's not 550+hp, these spy photographers, magazines, and bloggers need to go find new work cause I don't think a car that just matches the competition on HP deserves this much coverage.
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U guyz can hold out fer the 3 axle and diesel versions; those should be pretty exclusive. I'll take the auto.

I want an AUTO and 600 HP !

I'd settled for a stick and just 400HP this time. My next car will be an Auto, and it won't be an STS-V.

The object is to sell as many cars as possible.


MORE, MORE, MORE!

bulge looks like shit

Language, now!! One of the administrators will get after you.

Ooooo, post of the day!! Thx Jimmy, I'm in for a DSG, $59K or whatever. Mah daylie fwy drivah...

yeah yeah... GM with the DSG; you think? yeah right, they are still trying to get current with a 6 speed auto...

Still up, eh Baby Doll?

Not for long. :yawn:

You guys think you can keep your little affair out of the V forum? We are trying to have an almost-debate here... (not one that really matters)

And the hits just keep on comin'! This has to be the most photographed prototype out there right now almost. If it's not 550+hp, these spy photographers, magazines, and bloggers need to go find new work cause I don't think a car that just matches the competition on HP deserves this much coverage.

I know the prototype has 5 lugs, but I am thinking they will go with 7 lug wheels this time...

Blown LSA at 525 hp sounds about right. Why should GM try to anything better than "just match the competition?" They will just get trumped next year.

Come on, you guys know you will love the new V no matter what they do...

Go Spurs

yeah yeah... GM with the DSG; you think? yeah right, they are still trying to get current with a 6 speed auto...
YOU said DSG, Jimmy; I'm fine with that, or a robot SMG, or a damn torque converter.

You guys think you can keep your little affair out of the V forum? We are trying to have an almost-debate here... (not one that really matters)
Nope. :D

Autos are fine for soft shifting pu55ies. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I like cats.


But the auto killed the SHO. I don't want to see that again!

I like cats.




Only if they're cooked just right.

Autos are fine for soft shifting pu55ies. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I like cats.





But the auto killed the SHO. I don't want to see that again!

I'll still have my maggied 05 to rock gears in. But in my refined daily driver, I'll need one hand for the Blackberry and the other to do my makeup.

I agree with you: I don't want to see the SHO again, either...

YOU said DSG, Jimmy;

I know, I just meant I cant see GM doing a DSG for many years. When my left knee collapses, DSG will be my tranny of choice. Until then...

But the auto killed the SHO. I don't want to see that again!

You are right, when Ford made an auto available, that is when the car went mainstream and straight into the crapper. (On a side note, I would love to see a return of the SHO, on the Fusion maybe. The Mazda 6 platform is currently the best front driver on the market and an SHO Fusion would be an awesome daily driver.)

I guess thats a threadjack.

I agree with you: I don't want to see the SHO again, either...I know a few guys with SHOs who will blow past you so fast, they can grant your wish...

I know a few guys with SHOs who will blow past you so fast, they can grant your wish...


So they're Fairies ?
:hide:



;)

But then I just bought my V, I have no intentions in buying a second gen. So none of this even matters to me really.

You guys think you can keep your little affair out of the V forum? We are trying to have an almost-debate here... (not one that really matters)

Pffffffft.

So they're Fairies ?
:hide:



;)Careful, there's a few down your way. I could send them by for a "visit"...

Come on, you guys know you will love the new V no matter what they do...

That's not true. If it comes out with just an LS3 and they don't shave 600lbs off the car. I'll seriously look elsewhere.

Careful, there's a few down your way. I could send them by for a "visit"...

If they can grant wishes, send them my way. I have a couple :D

And here is another (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/15/spy-shot-cadillac-cts-v-engine-bay/)!

It's getting to the point we get new spy shots or articles each day.

lol... yamahaw...

gimme some notice and i'll arrange to squirt some special sauce into the maggie, too. then we'll go

And here is another (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/15/spy-shot-cadillac-cts-v-engine-bay/)!


"GM product planners have no doubt had a good chuckle over all the claims made about what engine the 2009 CTS-V will use."


That is the most dead-accurate thing I have read so far about the new cts-v.

Mmmm... 5 lug wheels...

LOOKS like ceramic big boy 6-pot brakes. ME likey me likey. This thing is going to kick ass.

Latest spy shot reveals......

Very cool shot................:thumbsup: Now lets see the thread turn in to a thread with 1000 different ideas of what is in the engine bay...lol :highfive:

Hmm, the AWD version finally surfaces.

I think they need a bigger STB..... :rolleyes:

That's one goofy looking intake tube- looks like a massive Helmholtz chamber at the 90 deg. bend (in front of the TB).

Weird.

Looking at the pic again and again. This is what I've seen so far:
1. Five lug wheels:thumbsup:
2. Possible 6+ piston front calipers with possible ceramic 2-piece rotors huge also at least 14in.:worship:
3. What appears to be a fake intake system.
3 1/2. hoping the intake is straight...........
4. A different front end than the regular cts:thumbsup:
5. A huge shock tower brace made of possible aluminum:eek:
6. Also possible, none of this is production:stirpot:
6. Seeing my salesman on Monday:bouncy:

This will be the C6Z06 of sedans, no question. Dissipating skeptisism.....:thumbsup: I'm going to roll the dice and get one early.....

I am gonna bet 6 lug wheels still make it to production

I am gonna bet 6 lug wheels still make it to production
Don't jinx it jimmy! Noooooooooo!

I don't care about the wheels.

I want my LS7 with an Automatic.

I don't care about the wheels.

I want my STS-V.

fixed that up for ya thar ;)

I don't care about the wheels.

I just want my Hoveround.There, even better...:bouncy:

I don't care about the wheels.

I want my LS7 with an Automatic.

I don't care about the wheels.

I want my STS-V.

fixed that up for ya thar ;)

yup.:highfive:

Forget the wheels, forget the engine, forget the transmission and even the suspension.

How many colours are they going to offer? I vote for Silver, White, Racing Orange, Bonneville Blue, and Cadillac Pink for the girlies (so RT can finally get one; we all know she wants a V)

If they give us blue, I might scrape up enough coin to trade-up.

No STS-V for me.

I WANT PUSHRODS with a side of Automatic in a small fun to drive car. (I bet I get it)

You left DSOM off that color list.

I'd buy a V in SOM in heartbeat- I freaking LOVE that color!

(and no, I'm not kidding.)

I am sure I missed something; DSOM?

Enlarged



http://www.ciws.net/images/ctsvengine.jpg

I am sure I missed something; DSOM?

I don't know about the D, but SOM is short for "Sunburst Orange Metallic", as seen on the Trans-Am/Camaro, and later the 2003 CTS. Great color in my opinion.

I don't know about the D, but SOM is short for "Sunburst Orange Metallic", as seen on the Trans-Am/Camaro, and later the 2003 CTS. Great color in my opinion.

I thought that was Burnt Orange? Whatever it is called, I have to concur, sweet color. Orange is a great color on the right car.

The photo also shows slotted rotors. As well as what appears to be "powered" front hubs for AWD since the right front hub appears to have an exposed castlenut-cotter pin that is a classic GM telltale. All other spy shots have had a traditional bearing dust cap on the front hub.

One way to elimiate wheel hop is to split the power front to rear with AWD. The current STS is available with AWD. Possible for the V? Maybe with the slushbox tranny only?

And where are the two-door spy shots?

I have to agree with the comments on the brakes being 6 piston and the rotors being ceramic. That would be some pretty extreme upgrades from what we have on ours. Makes you start to wonder about the 600hp claims.

DSOM = 2005 or 2006 Corvette Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic. Early CTS had a great similar color. Two reasons I didn't buy an '04 V, no DSOM and no AUTO. I caved by '05.

Forget the wheels, forget the engine, forget the transmission and even the suspension.

How many colours are they going to offer? I vote for Silver, White, Racing Orange, Bonneville Blue, and Cadillac Pink for the girlies (so RT can finally get one; we all know she wants a V)

If they give us blue, I might scrape up enough coin to trade-up.

Blue would be nice."Admiral Blue" Thats a killer blue. I had a 95 Corvette coupe in that color it was also the color of the Grand Sport in 96.
I've been scraping. Ready ta go.:thumbsup:

Can anybody blow up a shot at the wheel area......:)

The 6 pistons were only on 1 of the mules, which were also 2 piece rotors and looked way bad ass. The rest had the same brake setup that we currently have and I believe will be the production brakes.

Here you go- I tweaked the contrast a little to enhance some of the detail.

I dont understand why the current CTS did not have AWD. The SRX shares its platform and it has awd.

Here you go- I tweaked the contrast a little to enhance some of the detail.

Thank you Tony.... Those look like possible Porsche or Mercedes calipers..Hmmm On the side shot of the car it appears that our front calipers are on the rear of the car.... Interesting they are working on ceramics for the Vette so why not trickle them down to the V. I hope so at least as a option..:thumbsup:

I think all you guys that do not believe the 600 bhp clam are forgetting that bob Lutz ,a high ranking figure in GM basically called out BMW .He basically said that the current M5 will get owed by the new CTS-V and if the new on is only slightly better it will get slapped also. When you are dissing a 12.4 car (R&T Feb 2006) you better not have a 12.2 car and if you expect to blow the doors of the replacement of the 12.4 car you better have at least an 11.9 car. I think the easiest way to figure out a good estimate for the CTS-Vs power would be to take its estimated weight and figure out how much horspower it would need to backup Bobs boastfully claims with a stick or auto box. I for one believe that Cadillac will make the CTS-V only slightly slower than AMG's bi turbo v12s witch i see running 11.5s on street fire and yo tube full weight (4500lbs +).

Thank you Tony.... Those look like possible Porsche or Mercedes calipers..Hmmm On the side shot of the car it appears that our front calipers are on the rear of the car.... Interesting they are working on ceramics for the Vette so why not trickle them down to the V. I hope so at least as a option..:thumbsup:Well, the current V has Brembo 4 pots that are common with other cars such as the STi. That worked so well that they're probably gonna repeat the issue with 6 pots...

I dont understand why the current CTS did not have AWD. The SRX shares its platform and it has awd.

Our car is about 2 inches narrower than the SRX, STS, and new CTS. That 2 inches of extra witdh is apparently needed to fit the mechanicals to the front wheels.

Our car is about 2 inches narrower than the SRX, STS, and new CTS. That 2 inches of extra witdh is apparently needed to fit the mechanicals to the front wheels.

Damn they should've sacrificed the extra two inches! I'd say my biggest complaint about the current V is that at some angles (especially from straight ahead or behind) the car looks too narrow. :thepan:

Damn they should've sacrificed the extra two inches! I'd say my biggest complaint about the current V is that at some angles (especially from straight ahead or behind) the car looks too narrow. :thepan:

Well that is fixed with the new one. And my understanding is that the new V will have an even wider stance with wider tires moving that stance out even farther with all new fender flairing. Not to mention it will be lower than the standard CTS. Should be a pretty mean looking car in person. The new normal CTS looks pretty hunkered in person. The V will be even more so.

Damn they should've sacrificed the extra two inches! I'd say my biggest complaint about the current V is that at some angles (especially from straight ahead or behind) the car looks too narrow. :thepan:

Had our car been 2" wider, we would have had an SC N* vs. god's gift to pushrods LSX. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN :thepan:

Those 2" are the reason a N* won't fit in the current sigma based CTS.

-Chris

More info from Edmunds, FWIW:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=121300

Damn they should've sacrificed the extra two inches! I'd say my biggest complaint about the current V is that at some angles (especially from straight ahead or behind) the car looks too narrow. :thepan:


My wife is always saying that an extra two inches makes anything better, which is funny because I never thought she was into cars that much.....

More info from Edmunds, FWIW:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=121300


Yeah. I had read this earlier. Anyone here know how perceptible the S/C wine is on the STS-V?? That is a similar setup and I am wondering if it is designed to hush the wine one normally hears from an S/C?? I have never heard an STS-V to know, but this S/C setup is supposed to be similar, except applied to the LS3.

My wife is always saying that an extra two inches makes anything better, which is funny because I never thought she was into cars that much.....

It can never hurt! Or wait?? :eek:

I don't know about the D, but SOM is short for "Sunburst Orange Metallic", as seen on the Trans-Am/Camaro, and later the 2003 CTS. Great color in my opinion.


2003 only, I wonder if it has good resale value:
http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/misc/869-2.jpg

http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/misc/Z06-1.jpg


I still like this custom paint job:



http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/misc/CTS.gif

Looks close to my favorite Escalade EXT color ever: "Out of the Blue", also only offered in 2003.

That was wicked.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/493000-493999/493704_1.jpg

I wonder why all the wild colors never make it on to the High Performance models? White Lightning, SOM, Out of the Blue, etc.... all would be killer V colors.

Probably the same reason 90% of the cars on the road are White, Silver, Black, or Gold (Champaign?)

2003 only, I wonder if it has good resale value:
http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/misc/869-2.jpg



I don't buy my drivers based on resale value, I buy 'em cuz I likes 'em.

I would have jumped on an Orange V, I held out till 12/04 not buying a V and waiting for Caddy to offer something better than Black or Silver.

My driver is a beater, it sits outside, I don't wax it, it gets hosed off every couple of days and I drag a towel accross it. I DON'T LIKE OWNING BLACK CARS!

I hope Cadillac gives up on BULLSHIT limited colors this time around.

Why all the flack about Black?
Black is an easy color to repaint if you don't like it.
No need to worry about leaving black paint in the engine compartment or door jambs when you paint another color.

I don't buy my drivers based on resale value, I buy 'em cuz I likes 'em.

Me too, but when my Maxima dies, I am going to replace it with something. That orange CTS would be ideal if I could find one cheap (under $10k and 50k miles)

Just got my Autoweek dated june 25. Article about the 09 cts-v.They say lsa engine. The car is known at GM as GMX322 V S/C. All this has been hashed out already I know but it is dated June 25th. So its the most current mag info out there. Here is some more info from the article, patented integrated supercharged,Brembo brakes, making 525hp or better, no wheel hop do to a completely redesigned rear suspension, manual tranny and paddle shift auto. That sums it up, not much new stuff but it is stuff:thumbsup:

There were 2 pics as well. Interesting thing it shows the new headlights. The rotors dont have the silver hats maybe 1 piece. The car also has 2 different side mirrors , 1 new style one old style:confused: . The mesh grill also looks to be a heavier wire compared to our current V's. This car is going to kick ass:thepan:

Def. a nice car!

Why all the flack about Black?
Black is an easy color to repaint if you don't like it.
No need to worry about leaving black paint in the engine compartment or door jambs when you paint another color.

:yeah: Black is my favorite no matter what. Personally I don't find it a problem to care for at all.

Just got my Autoweek dated june 25. Article about the 09 cts-v.They say lsa engine. The car is known at GM as GMX322 V S/C. All this has been hashed out already I know but it is dated June 25th. So its the most current mag info out there. Here is some more info from the article, patented integrated supercharged,Brembo brakes, making 525hp or better, no wheel hop do to a completely redesigned rear suspension, manual tranny and paddle shift auto. That sums it up, not much new stuff but it is stuff:thumbsup:

There were 2 pics as well. Interesting thing it shows the new headlights. The rotors dont have the silver hats maybe 1 piece. The car also has 2 different side mirrors , 1 new style one old style:confused: . The mesh grill also looks to be a heavier wire compared to our current V's. This car is going to kick ass:thepan:

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/FREE/70619001/1065

:yeah: Black is my favorite no matter what. Personally I don't find it a problem to care for at all.

I had black once, never again. Too hot in the summer, swirls too visible in the sunlight. And I dont have time to polish every couple of weeks.

The car also has 2 different side mirrors , 1 new style one old style.

What, no group buys for new mirrors yet? You guys are slipping.

So what's the LSA engine? Perhaps a 600 hp Lysholm Supercharged 6.2L based off the L92 engine?

Lysholm - Looks similar to a helical roots-style "Maggie" blower, but with rotors that are far more twisted and have a conical taper. These screw type rotors have their own an internal compression ratio making them more efficient during high-boost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-screw_type_supercharger

Is this what's hidding under that tall aluminum struttower brace in the spy shots? Hmm...

Why all the flack about Black?
Black is an easy color to repaint if you don't like it.
No need to worry about leaving black paint in the engine compartment or door jambs when you paint another color.

That would look nice, black jambs...

I love this thread:D

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/FREE/70619001/1065


2009 Cadillac CTS-V
AutoWeek | Published 06/19/07, 9:42 am et

All Cadillac will say, with a wink, is that we can expect the 2009 CTS V-Series will be “all one color” and not this black-and-white camouflage checkerboard pattern when it arrives in 2008.

But our spies, who captured the second-generation CTS performance sedan running the Nürburgring, say a lot more. Look for the CTS-V—known internally as GMX322 V S/C—to use the LSA engine, a new supercharged, small-block V8 making 525 hp or better.

Like the STS-V, the new blown CTS will feature General Motors’ patented supercharger integrated into the intake manifold—the same setup we’re told will be used in the rumored Corvette SS/Blue Devil/Z07. Automatic and manual transmissions will be available, with an optional paddle shifter likely.

The first-gen CTS-V, fitted with a Corvette powertrain and transaxle, suffered from wheel hop. We’re told that’s eliminated in the 2009 model, thanks to a completely redone rear suspension. The ’09 will continue to use massive Brembo brakes all around.

GM vice chairman Bob Lutz says the 2009 CTS-V “will be at a power level only described as unexpectedly high” and that it should rival the BMW M5. After driving a prototype, Lutz reportedly said the car is “flat-out incredible” and that he’s “never driven anything like that.” Yes, we’d expect that from a GM insider, but Lutz does have some of the world’s top machinery at his disposal for comparison purposes.

CTS-V production should get under way in fall 2008 and will be limited to about 7000 units annually.


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1) Any chance that the '09+ diffs could be used to upgrade the current ones?

2) What is the LSA? I thought the '09s were getting a version of the LS9:


LS9
Early reports indicate that a 6.2 L LS9 derivative is due in 2008. Displacement was a reportedly decreased for a thicker cylinder wall, to promote a stronger cylinder to deal with the rigors of possibly forced induction. A picture of this motor was seen drifting around on the internet, and it seems to be equipped with a positive displacement supercharger and is stated to produce 700 hp and will be available in the future Z07. A tuned down version will also be available with 600 hp in the 2008 Cadillac CTS-V

:banghead:

Just found the other '09 thread below this one. My bad.

Cool!

At 7000 units, that would be roughly double current production.

Hmm ... redesigned rear end. THAT'S what we need. :thumbsup:

Blown LSA with 525 hp. Tony and I have been telling you guys this all along :thepan: :thumbsup:

Seriously GM, what the hell is taking so long in announcing it already :confused:

Blown LSA with 525 hp. Tony and I have been telling you guys this all along :thepan: :thumbsup:

Seriously GM, what the hell is taking so long in announcing it already :confused:

Probably no final decision yet, still testing to see what will work best and the competition that comes out in the next few months before Jan 08.

Seriously GM, what the hell is taking so long in announcing it already :confused:

they are busy enjoying this thread

Give your competitors less time to react and start working on changes to their product.

AND

Weren't ther pictures around of these engines in a Corvette that someone took from a transport company? I remember the design integrated in to the manifold. Seems likely to be true then

That would look nice, black jambs...
Not a big deal compared to silver or red jambs. :eek:
Naturally, having a black interior (as everyone should) would make it blend nicely.

The first-gen CTS-V, fitted with a Corvette powertrain and transaxle, suffered from wheel hop.


These magazines need to check their facts better. The current CTS-V does not have a transaxle like the Vette does.

Naturally, having a black interior (as everyone should) would make it blend nicely.

I HATE HATE HATE my black interior. Would much rather have tan or grey.

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2) What is the LSA?

Scroll up to post #418.

Black. It's the new green.

I HATE HATE HATE my black interior. Would much rather have tan or grey.Tan interior is awesome...until you get lazy at the track and you start touching things with your mechanic's gloves still on...

Tan interior is awesome...until you get lazy at the track and you start touching things with your mechanic's gloves still on...

which is why you are supposed to have a pit crew

I'll be happy with the engine as long as its 500+HP and not a N*. A supercharger would be nice so modding will be less of a headache.

Headache? Wut headache?

What? All weekend and no rumors or speculumation?

OK, I'll play along.

Just like the supercharged Vs we have today there appears to be an intercooler hiding behind the mesh. One of the mules had a camo grille and they were smart to do that to hide stuff like this. :)

How about this - There are two powerplants coming for the V in a N/A LS7 with a 6L80E paddle-shift auto trans and a S/C LSA with a 6 speed stick.

Nah, I don't see that happening. Way too much investment in R&D necessary to offer two powerplants, plus it would muddy the image of the car not having one particular set of numbers to advertise.

Nice idea, though- and good eyes on the intercooler.

Remember a while back a year or two ago when there was talk of an uber V with big power? I'm sticking to my twin engine hypothesis.....and the LS7 slushbox gets AWD.

...and how about that 2-door V eh? :alchi:

^^^^^^^ More realistic to me than 2 powerplants ;)

The 2 door coupe could happen.

yeah something like the Mercedes AMG C-black series. Lighter version coupe with more carbon body work like the Z06 and a stiffer lighter frame.Plus All kinds of other stuff .Inerior treatments like crazy alcantra sport seats and dash.Carbon ceramic brakes. MMMMM something like 600hp 3500lbs ohh my god... Lets call it the VR .UHHHHH ,DONE:thumbsup:

Still thinking about it:worship: ....Have it come in at about 75k, under cutting the competition and killing it on the track..:thepan: This is very possible if the gas thing doesn't kill it first. I want one. Telling GM right now I'm a buyer. What do you guys think? I'm just drooling over the possibility:bouncy:

yeah something like the Mercedes AMG C-black series. Lighter version coupe with more carbon body work like the Z06 and a stiffer lighter frame.Plus All kinds of other stuff .Inerior treatments like crazy alcantra sport seats and dash.Carbon ceramic brakes. MMMMM something like 600hp 3500lbs ohh my god... Lets call it the VR .UHHHHH ,DONE:thumbsup:

http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/worshipv.gif

Still thinking about it. This would be a Z06 4-seater without a doubt:worship: :worship: :worship: How about an Amercan Aston Martin KILLER.... I can think of all kinds of stuff. I'm also taking a 4-door model with hopes 2 years later the VR coupe.:thumbsup:

Love it Jimmy....

How about this - There are two powerplants coming for the V in a N/A LS7 with a 6L80E paddle-shift auto trans and a S/C LSA with a 6 speed stick.

That would generally fit with what I heard from Deep Throat six months ago...

...and how about that 2-door V eh? :alchi:

That would also fit with what Deep Throat said.

Notice how I like to type "Deep Throat?" Mmmm...

How about this - There are two powerplants coming for the V in a N/A LS7 with a 6L80E paddle-shift auto trans and a S/C LSA with a 6 speed stick
Interesting, but I would much rather see it the other way.
NA LS7 w/ Stick & S/C LSA for the Slushomatics.

Unless the LSA is a427. Is it?

Unless the LSA is a427. Is it?

442.

Interesting, but I would much rather see it the other way.
NA LS7 w/ Stick & da mucho mo fastest S/C LSA for the Slushomatics.


agree

Come on, a Supercharged 442 in a V?
That is a 100K+ Blue Devil engine.

Aren't you more realistically expecting a 6.2L supercharged engine?

442 ?

4 Speed, 4bbl, Dual exhaust. Sounds kind of old school to me.

sry meant 4242

Cool!

So....did you guys see the european magazine report that the V will be AWD.
i saw it on gminsidenews.com yesterday.

So....did you guys see the european magazine report that the V will be AWD.
i saw it on gminsidenews.com yesterday.

i heard it will double as a hovercraft

bah ... if it isn't a hovercraft, what's the point

My current V already works on land ... I need a V that works on water

Anything less will be a HUGE disappointment

It has to double (triple) as an aircraft for municipal airport use !

Got the new motortrend yesterday. They are still sticking to their guns with 600 hp.

It has to double (triple) as an aircraft for municipal airport use !

and it will quadruple as a fixed wing AND helicopter

think it will have a CIWS, too?

I read on the food network site that it has an outdoor kitchen. :thumbsup:

G.M. must love this thread. They better give us what we want. A vertical takeoff and landing option of course.
Then my driveway will work as an airport.

I read on the food network site that it has an outdoor kitchen. :thumbsup:
that's just a rumour, but a cuisinart is optional...

G.M. must love this thread. They better give us what we want. A vertical takeoff and landing option of course.
Then my driveway will work as an airport.

CTS-VTOL ?

They better make it 600hp because new RS6 will be shown in September and it has 571hp

Here's a good rumor. Base CTS-V with 525 and a Super-V with 600 :D

Write it down...

AWD
LS7 w/ T-56
4100 pounds
4-piston Brembos on same discs as today
LED interior lights
185 mph limiter

I will never understand why the cts-v "HAS TO HAVE 600 hp" so it will be faster than the M5, the RS4, AMG CL657789685, etc etc etc. Who gives a flying f***. If it is cheaper than all those cars by $10k+ (which it easily can be) and is almost as fast, that's a statement all its own and a credit to American go-fast cars. Let the idiot Europeans fight it out and knock each other down to get to the trophy. The fastest sedan is a temporary title anyway.

Write it down...

AWD
LS7 w/ T-56
4100 pounds
4-piston Brembos on same discs as today
LED interior lights
185 mph limiter

JEBUS 4100 lbs :eek:

I will never understand why the cts-v "HAS TO HAVE 600 hp" so it will be faster than the M5, the RS4, AMG CL657789685, etc etc etc. Who gives a flying f***. If it is cheaper than all those cars by $10k+ (which it easily can be) and is almost as fast, that's a statement all its own and a credit to American go-fast cars. Let the idiot Europeans fight it out and knock each other down to get to the trophy. The fastest sedan is a temporary title anyway.

Thank you:thumbsup:

One more thing. The new V will be under 4000lbs:)

I've re-read everything that the major auto mags and bloggish web sites have to say, and I have the answer: none of them has a more definitive idea of what the new CTS-V will be than we do.

The only things they seem to be really good at is stating conflicting promises and stating them with gravitas. In the fall of 2008, I expect they'll also be pretty good at not admitting they were wrong.

I will never understand why the cts-v "HAS TO HAVE 600 hp" so it will be faster than the M5, the RS4, AMG CL657789685, etc etc etc. Who gives a flying f***. If it is cheaper than all those cars by $10k+ (which it easily can be) and is almost as fast, that's a statement all its own and a credit to American go-fast cars. Let the idiot Europeans fight it out and knock each other down to get to the trophy. The fastest sedan is a temporary title anyway.

So its cheap and doesnt have power?

Pic of prototype engine bay!

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6070702.002/page/1/country/acf/cadillac/more-cadillac-cts-v-engine-bay-photos

Pic of prototype engine bay!

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6070702.002/page/1/country/acf/cadillac/more-cadillac-cts-v-engine-bay-photosCan the V really be AWD with the engine set that far back? I'm to the point where I don't care anymore. It won't have as much power as it could, or should.

Anyone else think this looks too wide and high to be a normal intake? Not saying it is an SC, but it just looks wide, high, and flat.

Haha...That's a V6 model, not the the V-Series. Pop the plastic cover off a 3.6L and that's what you see.

Looks like the Scoopmeister with dreams of being Jimmy Olsen just got owned.

Look A Flux Capacitor !!!! :eek:

V6!! Yeah. I think you are correct Tony. It doesn't have the mesh grill either. Has the standard CTS grill.

V6!! Yeah. I think you are correct Tony. It doesn't have the mesh grill either. Has the standard CTS grill.

I'm surprised they didn't mention in the article that this "V-Series" V8 engine only has 3 coil packs per side. :rolleyes: :rofl:

Haha...That's a V6 model, not the the V-Series. Pop the plastic cover off a 3.6L and that's what you see.

Looks like the Scoopmeister with dreams of being Jimmy Olsen just got owned.The new V! A twin turbo V6...

I knew something looked off about it. They would have been better off not saying anything and just posting pictures.

The strut brace in the pic actually looks like it's been placed slightly to the rear of the regular brace mounting points.

Flux Capacitor ! "Back to the Future V"

The new V! A twin turbo V6...

That engine is for the rebadged Buick version of the CTS called the Grand National.

Think all black, nary a wink of chrome; evil looking just sitting there. Sounds like a Buick eh? :)

In the fall of 2008, I expect they'll also be pretty good at not admitting they were wrong.

sure they will, it will be in super tiny print somewhere you will never see it like their retractions

Video at the'Ring (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=121300)

No new rumors?

:emo:

I heard a rumor that due to CAFE, the 3rd gen CTS-V (2014) will be front drive and 250 hp hybrid I-4 :lol:

I'm still driving it August 1st, so if no concrete info has been released by the 1st then it will be on the 2nd (for those here, anyway).

No new rumors?

:emo:


I heard L5 can suck a mean one. But that came from Florian, so the source is dubious.

-Chris

:haha:

:run:

Mean (adj): inferior in grade, quality, or character

Florian should know...

:florian:

I have been analyzing the 2009 spy photos, and have made a horrifying discovery regarding the new powertrain:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/Firebomba/buttv.gif

lmao!

oh god TTS HAHHA

Tony, too funny. Now go sell some Cadillacs. :)

There's a crack in the intake tube.

Which is the horrifying part?