: Not a Fleetwood... but very close?



96Fleetwood
04-13-07, 09:48 AM
Well I convinced my brother to get into the B body game. His last couple of cars were: 2003 Cadillac DTS, 2002 Escalade, 2004 Cadillac SLS


He wanted something cheap & reliable and to have no car payment....
So, we made a deal for a 1994 Roadmaster. 1 owner car, all records, 50K original miles.

We got it for $3,500, is that a good deal?

The car does have keyless entry, power seat, electronic climate control, concert sound II, dynaride, blah blah blah.

Here are a few pics:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture176.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture177.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture178.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture179.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture180.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture181.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture182.jpg


We looked for a '94-'96 Fleetwood, but this car was just too clean to pass up.

He is getting a set of OEM Roadmaster alloy wheels with white wall tires next week.

Take care,
Elias

caddycruiser
04-13-07, 11:24 AM
Yep, I was glad to hear this on ISSF--very good work on the convert, especially after that other string of car's he's gone through:thumbsup:

Maybe not as overly nice as a Fleetwood, or unique, but the Roadmaster is an extremely respectable car and still a lot more upmarket from the Caprice--plus, at least in my experiences, is better screwed together and "thick" feeling than a Fleetwood, at least a little.

Once the wheels are changed, maybe he can start other little mods after time, and get it in similar territory to your car as far as feel. The main downfalls would be that standard FE1 Dynaride slush suspension and the base 2:56 rear, but neither of those is too hard to deal with. And the best part, of course, reliable as could be and paid for, so any other money spent can go to fun;)

And it's even a relatively rare 2-toner. Terrific price for the condition & miles, as well:thumbsup:

Old Fleetwood
04-13-07, 11:42 AM
Elias -
>I love the instrument panel.
Now:
>Get the doghouse from a 93-96 FWB and graft it on to the Buick.
>Get the stainless steel panels from the 93-96 FWB's and apply them to the Buick.
>Go "one better" and get the thin, vertical "chrome" strips which run down the back of the front door windows and place them, vertically, about 8 inches from each outer edge of the rear windows like all Cadillac Fleetwoods had from 1932 to 1952.
>Apply the appropriate Cadillac emblems to the rear deck and re-pinkslip.
(David Dunbar Buick wouldn't mind a bit (But the DMV would probably pitch a fit))

90Brougham350
04-13-07, 11:55 AM
Great looking car, hope your brother has the best of luck with it.

lochenjons
04-13-07, 12:28 PM
looks pretty clean. too bad its not a cadillac.....

mharker
04-13-07, 12:29 PM
Nice choice. I have one for my DD.

By the way I paid much more than that 2.5 years ago for my 96. But I am in Canada.

Seems well bought though. Forget about all those Caddy wannabe mods. Let it be a proud Buick!

caddycruiser
04-13-07, 12:34 PM
Seems well bought though. Forget about all those Caddy wannabe mods. Let it be a proud Buick!

Exactly--it's extremely respectable just as is! And, for a big part, still shames a lot of more recent Buicks in overall presence and performance.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-13-07, 08:20 PM
Love the Roadmasters! I still miss mine! As far as I'm concerned, there has never been a cooler name given to an automobile than "Roadmaster"!

z06bigbird
04-14-07, 04:12 PM
The suspension on the Roadmaster is actually set up to rider softer than the SDV. Also, fewer problems with fewer gadgets on Buick. Only downside is that the 94 requires prem gas. GM made a change in 95 and 96 to reg gas.

Congratulations on nice car. Take good care of it. It will go for 150,000 miles or more.

Ed

z06bigbird
04-14-07, 04:14 PM
You got a great price on that car. Good low mileage used cars in the south are impossible to locate because Katrina destroyed millions of cars. Dealers are driving 1000 miles north to locate clean used cars.

You can drive that car for 2 years and sell it for $3500.

Ed

z06bigbird
04-14-07, 04:16 PM
You need to buy a steering col lock. Those Roadmasters are stolen quickly and easily. Thieves love them. Steer col lock could run you $100 or more used, but worth it. Otherwise, car WILL get stolen.

Ed

96Fleetwood
04-14-07, 04:29 PM
Thanks for the tips! My brother is loving it so far. He plans on going the same route I did with my Fleetwood with respect to modifications.

I have a Viper alarm and use a steering column lock on my Fleetwood, but that is because I am in Chicago.

My brother is in peaceful Virginia Beach and when at work, it is guarded by the Marines at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard :thumbsup:

But.. we were lucky the Roadmaster did come with a DEI alarm and remote start system already installed!! :highfive:

caddycruiser
04-14-07, 04:35 PM
The suspension on the Roadmaster is actually set up to rider softer than the SDV. Also, fewer problems with fewer gadgets on Buick. Only downside is that the 94 requires prem gas. GM made a change in 95 and 96 to reg gas.

Congratulations on nice car. Take good care of it. It will go for 150,000 miles or more.

Ed

Uh, no. Not sure where you got your information from, but the LT1 in B&D bodies was NEVER equipped to require Premium as stock, and the only minor change for '95 was supposedly something for noise reduction in terms of the cam.

Suspension wise, you're fairly right, as this is a Dynaride/FE1 soft model, and there was also the firmer FE2 ride that came with Tow Pack models.
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Elias--Yep, that's great luck to already have a DEI alarm & remote start, especially if it was done right. Hope he gets the maintenance it needed done painlessly, and all is fine from here on out for a while.

77CDV
04-14-07, 05:13 PM
3500 and looks clean. I'd say very well bought. My mom had a 92 and kept getting pulled over for speeding because (she said) she couldn't tell she was going 80 and 90 mph because the car was so smooth. Very nice car. Hope your brother enjoys it.

Craig

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-14-07, 11:21 PM
Roadmasters get stolen frequently? Wonder why? Maybe it's more prevalent in the deep south. I had mine 8 months and never even felt like it would get stolen. I guess nobody wanted to steal a Buick.

caddycruiser
04-15-07, 03:20 PM
Roadmasters get stolen frequently? Wonder why? Maybe it's more prevalent in the deep south. I had mine 8 months and never even felt like it would get stolen. I guess nobody wanted to steal a Buick.

I've never heard of that either, even on any of the forums, but maybe in select few isolated cases. Impala's yes, but the others, no.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-15-07, 05:40 PM
I guess I figured the Caprice/Impalas would be the chief candidate for theft because of the current "donk" craze in the deep south, and those two cars are the preferred donk ride (from what I've heard/seen anyways). The 77-90 Caprice, 77-88 RWD G Bodies, 91-96 Caprice, 94-96 Impala SS. They seem to stay away from the Cadillacs and Lincolns for whatever reason. Someone wanna fill me in on this? I'm curious.

misfit6794
04-15-07, 06:09 PM
Nice looking roadmaster I've always wanted to mod one of those. Is that a 35th anniversary trans am, i see in the garage?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-15-07, 06:14 PM
. Is that a 35th anniversary trans am, i see in the garage?


Yeah, his dad collects cars and he's had that since new. IIRC, it's got extremely low miles.

96Fleetwood
04-15-07, 08:15 PM
Yep, that is a 2002 Collectors Edition Trans Am WS6 Convertible. 1 of 492 with the 4L60e.

Along side the Roadmaster is my Dad's daily driver, 2005 STS V8.

mharker
04-18-07, 10:26 PM
Roadmasters get stolen frequently? Wonder why? Maybe it's more prevalent in the deep south. I had mine 8 months and never even felt like it would get stolen. I guess nobody wanted to steal a Buick.

I've had my RM 2.5 years and never knew about the theft issue. Though interestingly it came with a mickey-mouse theft system (the type that uses an electronic key under the dash... looks like crap). However, the car has been keyed once by a mysterious neighbor who has an issue about who parks where. Luckily a touch-up specialist buffed it out for $100!

Back to Roadmasters. Today an appraiser was at my house to take pics of my 92 Corvette for the insurance guys. Let me tell you he kept staring at my Buick more than the vette. It was clean and I could tell he really liked it. Makes me feel bad it's a DD. I should put it away and get another DD!!

Old Fleetwood
04-18-07, 10:32 PM
I'm surprised somebody hasn't dug out an old back issue of Road & Track or Car & Driver (can't remember which) where a Roadmaster wagon was tested and they wrote about pulling a small trailer and dragging away from a toll booth somewhere and giving fits to some kid in a fairly fast car.
I can't remember if the RM had goodies under the hood or not, but the article slathered praise over the Buick.
Me? I tossed all my old back issues out long ago. Sorry.

caddycruiser
04-19-07, 04:55 PM
I'm surprised somebody hasn't dug out an old back issue of Road & Track or Car & Driver (can't remember which) where a Roadmaster wagon was tested and they wrote about pulling a small trailer and dragging away from a toll booth somewhere and giving fits to some kid in a fairly fast car.
I can't remember if the RM had goodies under the hood or not, but the article slathered praise over the Buick.
Me? I tossed all my old back issues out long ago. Sorry.

Here's some that I bought and scanned in last year, at least with the sedan (the C&D one is a particularly fun read):

http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/caddycruiser/Car%20Articles/


Several others too, which are even more informative. That wagon one sounds like a good read--I'll have to find one!

Old Fleetwood
04-19-07, 11:24 PM
Weird how the article says it's "6 inches LONGER than the Cadillac Fleetwood at 216 inches."
WTF?
Last time I looked the Fleetwood was closer to 225 inches.

caddycruiser
04-19-07, 11:34 PM
Weird how the article says it's "6 inches LONGER than the Cadillac Fleetwood at 216 inches."
WTF?
Last time I looked the Fleetwood was closer to 225 inches.

Which one? That's a typo I never noticed.

limousine rider
04-20-07, 05:28 AM
Nice Buick !!!

Looks very clean and with them low miles it's sure to bring nothing but pleasure for your brother..

Whats his plans for it, any Modifactions?


:thumbsup:

Old Fleetwood
04-20-07, 03:41 PM
Caddycruiser -
It's the MotorTrend article which is a one-pager.
Down the first column you'll find a paragraph starting:
"Park a new Roadmaster alongside
most anything and it'll look huge.
With 115.9 inches of wheelbase and
216 inches of length, it's 6 inches
of longer (sic) overall than a Cadillac
Fleet-wood.

As we all can check, the Fleetwood goes to 224 inches. Mine, with a dingly front license plate bracket goes to 225 by actual measurement - plumb bob to plumb bob over tape, because my damn garage is 225 1/2 inches deep but the overhead door handles would damage the Fleetwood's deck lid.
(House built in 1943)

caddycruiser
04-20-07, 04:03 PM
Ah, except for one thing--in '92 and earlier, a "Fleetwood" was a the higher end FWD Deville. That car was 208" (so close to 6" more)...even though that's a weird car comparison to draw.

The RWD Brougham of the same day was longer, for sure, though, at 221".

Old Fleetwood
04-20-07, 04:09 PM
Okay - I guess they took what's called "Poetic License" or something, but I guess the '92 Fleetwood was a front driver, wasn't it?.
Shucks!:rant2:

caddycruiser
04-20-07, 06:12 PM
Okay - I guess they took what's called "Poetic License" or something, but I guess the '92 Fleetwood was a front driver, wasn't it?.
Shucks!:rant2:

No, it's a very confusing thing--especially when the big RWD car was always the Fleetwood, then someone had the "brilliant idea" to make that the high end FWD Deville, calling the big car Brougham only for a while, then reverting back to Fleetwood again. Know the other weird part few do? When it was designed, the new '93 Fleetwood was NOT supposed to be called that--it was still going to continue on with the sole name of Brougham, until very late and near intro when focus groups told GM that Fleetwood was the natural name for the car.

I never knew this, until I bought the huge '93 Fleetwood dealer box, and inside on some of the materials AND in the marketing video, it says "*Produced before name change...".

Talk about confusing...but still, even if what I said is the case, I really don't see how or why they'd be comparing a high end Deville to a Roadmaster then, unless they thought they'd each be selling to the same kind of buyer and market.
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Back to the Roadmaster, I wonder if when these cars were newer, if anyone really cross shopped a '92-96 Roadmaster with a '93-96 Fleetwood? I know each is actually quite different than the other, and the Cadillac especially had its own history, but it's kind of like today with a high end Buick Lucerne vs. a Cadillac DTS. Same guts and virtually identical drive, but different price ranges, features, and look.

Then again, these cars did seem to do brand differentiation at its better end, with a few cars being identical under the skin, but completely different looks, features, options, etc. The Caprice was the everyday car, with more optioned models as meaty daily drivers and fleet models for a variety of uses, the Roadmaster was the same "smaller" size but more luxurious as standard and a much more mature or older look, and the Fleetwood as the ultimate in size, name, trim, and price.

Old Fleetwood
04-20-07, 10:50 PM
Judas Priest - No wonder I'm confused :confused:
Look at what's on eBay as a 1993 Fleetwood 60 Special !
A damned FRONT DRIVER ! :thehand:

77CDV
04-20-07, 11:06 PM
There is no such animal as a 1993 Fleetwood 60S. It's merely a Sixty Special (the Fleetwood name having been slapped on the redesigned Brougham), though it's identical in every way to the 1992 (FWD) Fleetwood 60S. But remember, from 1948-1976, the Sixty Special was a pillared, stretched variant of the Series 62/DeVille sedan, then the name was retired until 1987, when it was applied to the Hess and Eisenhart-stretched FWD DeVille-based Fleetwoods and continued from 1989-1992 as a trim variant (same wheelbase/body) for the Fleetwood range, and then a stand alone model (upscale DeVille) for 1993. Then it was gone again. I had an 89 60S, and it was a very nice, though well-used, car. Still kinda miss it.

Craig

Old Fleetwood
04-20-07, 11:50 PM
Okay. I see where the confusion is.
Typical Used Car salesman routine.
Look at the copy.

77CDV
04-21-07, 03:06 PM
Someone seriously needs a proofreader. I feel like whipping out my red pen and bleeding on that ad.

Craig

z06bigbird
04-21-07, 05:40 PM
Car still running????

caddycruiser
04-21-07, 07:10 PM
Okay. I see where the confusion is.
Typical Used Car salesman routine.
Look at the copy.

Yes. Most of us get it, but god help the used car salesman who, even trying their best, can't help sort out which of 3 names all these cars had at any given time.

Just goes to show you, why then, the focus groups GM had when intro'ing the new '93 RWD car said "it's a Fleetwood" and the name was changed back to how it always SHOULD have been.

cadillacmike68
04-21-07, 11:05 PM
The suspension on the Roadmaster is actually set up to rider softer than the SDV. Also, fewer problems with fewer gadgets on Buick. Only downside is that the 94 requires prem gas. GM made a change in 95 and 96 to reg gas.

Congratulations on nice car. Take good care of it. It will go for 150,000 miles or more.

Ed

The 94-96 LT1s all run on REGULAR gas.

The Roadie has a nicer IP than the rotten digital dash on the Fleetwood :want:

96Fleetwood
05-25-07, 09:41 AM
Got some new pics of my brother's '94 Roadmaster with 55K miles.

He has put some OEM alloy wheels on it and detailed it in/out:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture004.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture006.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture021-1.jpg


Take care,
Elias