: Customer Shoots Car Salesman



RightTurn
03-11-07, 08:30 PM
OK, how many of you can identify with the shooter? :lol: (JUST KIDDING!! Maybe)


Car salesman shot in the chest

02:53 PM CDT on Sunday, March 11, 2007
By Rucks Russell / KHOU 11 News

An Humble car salesman is recovering after he was shot at work Saturday night.
According to police, Planet Dodge's 37-year-old salesman was working with the customer who allegedly shot him. The salesman was hit in the chest and rushed to Ben Taub Hospital. He was alert when he was transported.

The salesman and the suspect were apparently working on a car deal that went wrong. The suspect fled in his vehicle and has not been seen since.

Houston police gathered surveillance tape from the dealership in hopes to identify the suspect.

RunningOnEMT
03-11-07, 08:32 PM
i still have my salesman rotting in my trunk

RightTurn
03-11-07, 08:33 PM
3k posts!! YAY!! :LittleB:

DILLIGAF
03-11-07, 08:42 PM
Somebody should shoot that king of cars guy,and the blue genie!

RightTurn
03-11-07, 08:47 PM
Somebody should shoot that king of cars guy,and the blue genie!

I'll notify one of the "gun porn" posters. :alchi:

lawfive
03-11-07, 08:51 PM
Wutr ya duin, trollin da newz?

CadillacGurl
03-11-07, 08:58 PM
I can idenify with the shooter, some the damn sales people pestering Jay oOoOo they are down right annoying and pushy!

RightTurn
03-11-07, 08:59 PM
Wutr ya duin, trollin da newz?

I'm in ur newzppr, plagiarizing ur newz.

lawfive
03-11-07, 09:10 PM
I'm in ur drawrz, checkin ur frillies

dkozloski
03-11-07, 09:10 PM
The car salesman couldn't have been too bad. Around here they gut shoot'em. I ordered a new Chevy El Camino and the salesman slipped up and there was delay after delay. Meanwhile the salesman had a finger shot off with a .25 automatic by the husband of some babe he was fooling around with. I went to the salesman and warned him that if he didn't produce my new vehicle I was going to bail the shooter out of jail, buy him a bigger gun, and give him shooting lessons. I had the El Camino by the weekend.

lawfive
03-11-07, 09:11 PM
Koz, it must've been exciting for y'all when Northern Exposure was on!

jstein12
03-11-07, 09:31 PM
OK, how many of you can identify with the shooter? :lol: (JUST KIDDING!! Maybe)


An Humble car salesman is recovering after he was shot at work Saturday night.

The salesman and the suspect were apparently working on a car deal that went wrong. The suspect fled in his vehicle and has not been seen since.

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Humble salesman? Misonemer in terms.

A little more humble perhaps now.

That final small print at the end of the contract always get them!

What's Ralph Nadar's alibi!

AlBundy
03-11-07, 10:05 PM
Good thinking.

RightTurn
03-11-07, 10:09 PM
I'm in ur drawrz, checkin ur frillies

"Frillies?" :lol: Ur a pervz.

RunningOnEMT
03-11-07, 10:17 PM
I'm in ur drawrz, checkin ur frillies

those are MINE!

i punk!

Sandy
03-11-07, 10:29 PM
'Ya know, you are all sickos! It's your generation. Last week a 16 year old kid took a walk around the corner to get milk for his Mom. Just outta sight from his house a car pulls up, two get out & demand his coat. He takes off the coat & hands it to them and they shoot & kill him. 16 years old. How old were the shooters? 17 & 19. They were caught. I hope they get the death penality, but we all know they will not.

You wanna shot a salesman to death over a freakin' car ? Take you @$$ elsewhere with your $$ if you are not pleased. Shooting & killing people is against the law & against the laws of humanity and against Jewish Law and against Christian law. It's the cowards, and drug pushers way out.
You ARE above that, are you not ?

Read your Bible. How can you guys be so young, and bear such hate & anger? What the heck will you be like at age 40 ?? Age 50 ? Or, will someone get good & pissed off at you and shoot YOU?
UUuummmmm, might be sumpin to think about, No?

jstein12
03-11-07, 11:11 PM
'Ya know, you are all sickos! It's your generation. Last week a 16 year old kid took a walk around the corner to get milk for his Mom. Just outta sight from his house a car pulls up, two get out & demand his coat. He takes off the coat & hands it to them and they shoot & kill him. 16 years old. How old were the shooters? 17 & 19. They were caught. I hope they get the death penality, but we all know they will not.

You wanna shot a salesman to death over a freakin' car ? Take you @$$ elsewhere with your $$ if you are not pleased. Shooting & killing people is against the law & against the laws of humanity and against Jewish Law and against Christian law. It's the cowards, and drug pushers way out.
You ARE above that, are you not ?

Read your Bible. How can you guys be so young, and bear such hate & anger? What the heck will you be like at age 40 ?? Age 50 ? Or, will someone get good & pissed off at you and shoot YOU?
UUuummmmm, might be sumpin to think about, No?

Hi Sandy,

It is possible that you might be over reacting to this thread.

Much of it was done in humor (to vent frustrations with salesmen), as to actually wish or intend harm on any person.

My 50+ age and experiences in life has left me very sensitive, tempered with experience.

We all mentally "shoot" people who exploit and take us for granted, to which this thread implied.

Your example is both irrelevant and inappropriate.

As a comforting suggestion, go back to the bible about forgiveness and understanding, to which only the lord himself can judge!

Spyder
03-11-07, 11:13 PM
I just want in on this one before it gets locked. :D

jstein12
03-11-07, 11:43 PM
I just want in on this one before it gets locked. :D

You're in - wudda u got?:stirpot:

Goin back to the regular forums.

This "lounge" is too tough for me!:eek:

Need a lounge chair!:alchi:

lawfive
03-11-07, 11:50 PM
It is possible that you might be over reacting to this thread.

lol, 'possible'

dkozloski
03-11-07, 11:57 PM
Koz, it must've been exciting for y'all when Northern Exposure was on!
I can truthfully say that I never watched a single episode of that program. I absolutely refuse to watch any programming with a laugh track other than "Married With Children". I never watched "Cheers", "Seinfeld", or any other of that mindless crap. I watched a few "Good Times" and "Sanford and Son". "Archie Bunker" was a filthy communist plot meant to portray conservatives as idiots.

lawfive
03-12-07, 01:51 AM
No laugh track

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-12-07, 02:00 AM
Name me a profession where we can't get frustrated by the people working in it? I can't think of one either.

I don't know how we can all stand around here laughing at the salesman, and not giving the man empathy and feelin' for him. Sure, a lot of the salesmen at my work are annoying and seem fake and artifical, but hey, they're honest people trying to make a decent living, and busting their balls doing so. Now I can understand Sandy getting angry with you guys, as he was a salesman at a Chrysler/Dodge/Imperial/Plymouth store for 30+ years so he probably takes your comments as an insult. Now if the story was about a bank teller getting shot, would it be on here? Probably not because we're not a bank enthusiasts site, we're a car enthusisasts site.

Just something to keep in mind :)


Oh and FWIW, I hope that SOB that shot the salesman gets what he deserves. And then some.

lawfive
03-12-07, 02:20 AM
Dudes, here's the deal, at least from my perspective. Find an ER nurse and ask her about the black humor that exists in that arena. You think nurses don't empathize? They're the definition of the word. Does that keep them from cracking wise at the most horrible shit that you could ever imagine? Nope. That's a part of how they get by, how they vent the pressure.

You know what? I've seen the same people on this thread that Sandy jumped on go out of their way to be there for others on this board that they've never met. And express outrage at inequities. And be hurt by the world's crap.

Nobody here wants to shoot a salesman. Nobody here is particularly full of hate and anger, as far as I know. Sickos? Possibly. Lemme check my business card...

By the way, Sandy, my 'generation' is pretty much your generation. And it's entirely possible that the scumbag shooter in this case reads his Bible.

Sorry that we put you off on this one.

RightTurn
03-12-07, 07:06 AM
'Ya know, you are all sickos! It's your generation. Last week a 16 year old kid took a walk around the corner to get milk for his Mom. Just outta sight from his house a car pulls up, two get out & demand his coat. He takes off the coat & hands it to them and they shoot & kill him. 16 years old. How old were the shooters? 17 & 19. They were caught. I hope they get the death penality, but we all know they will not.

You wanna shot a salesman to death over a freakin' car ? Take you @$$ elsewhere with your $$ if you are not pleased. Shooting & killing people is against the law & against the laws of humanity and against Jewish Law and against Christian law. It's the cowards, and drug pushers way out.
You ARE above that, are you not ?

Read your Bible. How can you guys be so young, and bear such hate & anger? What the heck will you be like at age 40 ?? Age 50 ? Or, will someone get good & pissed off at you and shoot YOU?
UUuummmmm, might be sumpin to think about, No?


:tard: Whut??

Sorry this upset you, Sandy. However... nowhere in the article does it reference the shooter's age. Not that it's important, but you have made an assumption about an entire generation with your response. My guess is that the shooter's action likely had more to do with ANGER. As a veteran of many a car-purchasing "skirmish", I can say without pause that I have been so angry in a car dealership that I could easily have done someone harm. Did I? Of course not. Show my butt in public? Why yes, I did.

Again, sorry if this offended you. It is after all a news report.

Sandy
03-12-07, 07:09 AM
No, it's not about sellling cars & yes I did it for 27 years, and I think I've developed a pretty hard outter skin to consumers, (when needed).
It's all about the violence against "strangers" in America today. Teens shooting teens. Twenty Somethings shooting other twentysomethings. You seldom pick up a paper and read about some 57 year old shooting a 60 year old, for robbing his coat, now do ya? It's all this 17 year old to 27 year old "Instant death gradifacation" that's got my tail twisted. I mean - where is the love of fellow man ? There just seems to be so much hate in America today, so much hate in young males. I just can't stand it. They hate salesmen, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and look down at e'one else. The local, state & fed gov't. and people who work in supermarkets and and and.....

Group Hug Needed for all mankind. Where does it all end ??
Hint:
Look over in Iran & Iraq.

Destroyer
03-12-07, 07:38 AM
How can you guys be so young, and bear such hate & anger? What the heck will you be like at age 40 ?? Age 50 ??I bet they these hateful people wont even let drivers of Japanese cars in front of them at parking lots. :highfive:

CIWS
03-12-07, 10:07 AM
:tard: Whut??

Again, sorry if this offended you. It is after all a news report.


Nice job RT, now you've upset folks by posting the news. You friggen kids just don't understand what is was like back in the old days when we only popped a cap in somebody's ass because they were a different color, race or religion. Nowdays you just doing it because you're mad.....back then we had a real reason.
:alchi:

lawfive
03-12-07, 10:37 AM
Crotchety older generation...

RightTurn
03-12-07, 11:12 AM
Careful there, you whippersnappers. :lol:

dkozloski
03-12-07, 11:20 AM
A lot of this sensless shooting disappeared when the "carry" laws were loosened up around here. When the shootee becomes a shooter himself, it concentrates the mind wonderfully.

Sandy
03-12-07, 12:03 PM
""I bet they these hateful people wont even let drivers of Japanese cars in front of them at parking lots.""

THAT is justifiable hate. Not against race, religion or sexual preferrance, nor for monatary gain, nor for stealing some dudes drugs. THAT there is hate for stupid choices

RightTurn
03-12-07, 12:05 PM
:food-snacking:

Sandy
03-12-07, 12:18 PM
(AP)
Livingston Dodge Inc long standing salesman, Sandy was arrested today for shooting Bernie Tidewell for offering $ 20,000 on a new Dodge truck, with a MSRLP of $ 29,995.00. Sandy said he shot him 'cause he was sick and tired of getting unreasonale stupid offers wasting his time. Tidewell is recoving in a local hospital, and promises to be a "bee-Back" ~

(( Uh Oh )):confused: :eek:

With shoe on other foot, ya can see how foolish it is.

No, I never shot anyone. I am very passive. However, there were at least 6 "customers" (I use the word loosly) that came in evey year that were so bad, had I had a gun, I might have.

Sometime, if any wanna hear it I'll tell the story of a Mr. Heinowitz, whom, I still hate, 27 years later !
Heinowitz was indeed, the dumbest person I ever met.

JimHare
03-12-07, 12:34 PM
I'm with Sandy on this one - it may just be the more pervasive aspect of the news (you hear about EVERYTHING sooner or later), but it certainly seems like there's an awful lot of mindless shooting going on. Anger manifests itself in violent outbursts against the (perceived) source - frequently missing the target and instead tragically injuring or killing a completely innocent bystander.

However, I have a more-than-substantial feeling that the actual numbers of violent incidents per capita have not increased noticeably in the last 100 years or so - it's just that with camera phones, CNN, the internet, and all the other "just one big global village" stuff, we hear about every damn thing that piques an editor's interest - or is needed to fill up a 24-hour live broadcast.

You've got to remember that, no so long ago, the average person never ventured farther than 50 miles from the spot he/she was born, and only major, earth-shaking international news filtered down to the boonies - wars, assassinations, etc etc...until the time of mass media (radio/tv) even newspapers were not very representative of the "outside world", since they so often reflected their publishers point of view, and news would or would not see the light of day depending on circumstance. That has changed somewhat now with the almost global homogenization of news - ownership concentration, "dumbing down" and various other factors have contributed to the change in the way we, as a society, hear and understand our news.

Old Way: a certain very small segment of society held a tremendous amount of knowledge about a few select disciplines - farming, banking, manufacturing, etc etc.. Your Galileos and Newtons and Jeffersons and such - and the other 98% of the race led a life of (somewhat) blissful ignorance. A Narrow, but very Deep river.

New Way: a large segment of society knows a very small amount about a huge variety of things - From Britney to "yada yada yada" to the Simpsons - I'll wager that 85% of the people in the developed world have seen Spear's denuded pate - a Wide but very Shallow pond.

We are bombarded with meaningless, trivial, sound-bite sized pieces of information, because the purveyors of such data believe (rightly or wrongly, I'm not sure) that we have the attention span of a gnat, and no one will sit still for a 5-minute news story, much less an hour or whatnot of reasoned discussion.

You could probably add up the entire viewing audience for all time for "Meet the Press" and it wouldn't equal one night of "American Idol"....

RightTurn
03-12-07, 12:39 PM
Well, I disagree. I think that people nowadays are just so damned ANGRY. And rude, and impatient, and selfish. It used to be "after you" and now it's "Me FIRST." A sad commentary, but true.

lawfive
03-12-07, 12:52 PM
Yeah, my issue is not with Sandy saying that murder = bad, or saying that the younger generation has trivialized it. My issue is that Sandy called everybody here "sickos."

We do seem to be living in a time where everbody has a gun and might kill over the least little thing. Back up a few decades and it was a little safer, I think. But back up too far and you're in the 1800's, another time where everbody had a gun and might kill over the least little thing.

JimHare
03-12-07, 12:56 PM
Well, I disagree. I think that people nowadays are just so damned ANGRY. And rude, and impatient, and selfish. It used to be "after you" and now it's "Me FIRST." A sad commentary, but true.

A not uncommon reaction. However, one must still temper that belief with the knowledge that you come in contact now with FAR more people than you ever did - and usually, from a far wider socio-economic background. It used to be that we only knew people like ourselves - now, that is no longer true. And when we meet more people, the chances for meeting people who are, shall we say, "less than perfect" increases as well.

For example, for those of us in our mid 40s and above - consider your parents. I would bet that they grew up in a far less DIVERSE society than you did - and even moreso if you are in the 20-30 age group.

As illustration, my parents, so far as I know, had very few, if ANY, acquaintances of the Oriental, Hispanic, or Arabic cultures when they were growing up in the 30's and 40's - not to mention African Americans. Just didn't happen that way.

Now, I bet if you think about it, you can name at least 30 people you know who are "different" from you in those ethnographic ways.

Also, one must be careful to not let romanticized, sanitized versions of the past, as presented by mass media, to act as the basis for what you "know it used to be like" - I can guarantee you that growing up in the upper midwest during the 1870s was nothing at all like 'Little House on the Prairie' - nor is "Taxi Driver" or "Goodfellas" indicative of the inner city of Manhatten, any more than "Leave it to Beaver" portrayed the typical American family of the late 50's/early 60's.

We "think" people were nicer/more polite/more gentle/more forgiving 'back then' but it's frequently not true - our psyches tend to even things out.

I really don't think, on the whole, people have changed all that much in the last 4000 years - we haven't had the time - we just SEE more because our circle of experience is growing exponentially every few years.

And please don't interpret this posting as a diatribe against "different" people - that's not what I'm saying, if you understand my point - my point is that our behavioral, judgemental bias is geared towards our own "group" - be it upper middle class whites in suburban New Jersey, or Bedouin tribesmen or Malay farmers or Highland clan members - and each group has different standards of measurement for behavior. Things I would think nothing about doing in public in this culture, would be thought horrific, if not punishable by death, in some societies.

JimHare
03-12-07, 01:06 PM
We do seem to be living in a time where everbody has a gun and might kill over the least little thing. Back up a few decades and it was a little safer, I think. But back up too far and you're in the 1800's, another time where everbody had a gun and might kill over the least little thing.

Actually, no. Statistically, in MOST societies, (Baghdad, etc excepted) the average man-on-the-street is safer and less liable to become a victim of almost anything now than he/she ever was.

In the 1800s, Everybody DIDN'T have a gun - life was NOT Gunsmoke.

As I've said the NOISE in this argument far outweighs the actual SIGNAL...

Destroyer
03-12-07, 01:20 PM
THAT is justifiable hate. Not against race, religion or sexual preferrance, nor for monatary gain, nor for stealing some dudes drugs. THAT there is hate for stupid choices
Hate is hate. Why is it justifiable? Cause its your hate?. Hating someone because of what they drive is not only hateful, its downright childish. Dont go saying that you dont hate the people but the cars because when you are purposely trying to not let them in because of what they drive its not only the car you are not letting in but the people as well. You are not the man to be lecturing others on hate.

People get shot, they always did. We dont know the circumstances in this particular case but it was an episode of rage. Incidents like this are commonplace and often unexplainable but they happen. Blaming a whole generation and calling a whole generation "sickos" isn't appropriate IMO.

Destroyer
03-12-07, 01:31 PM
I'm with Sandy on this one - it may just be the more pervasive aspect of the news (you hear about EVERYTHING sooner or later), but it certainly seems like there's an awful lot of mindless shooting going on. Anger manifests itself in violent outbursts against the (perceived) source - frequently missing the target and instead tragically injuring or killing a completely innocent bystander.

However, I have a more-than-substantial feeling that the actual numbers of violent incidents per capita have not increased noticeably in the last 100 years or so - it's just that with camera phones, CNN, the internet, and all the other "just one big global village" stuff, we hear about every damn thing that piques an editor's interest - or is needed to fill up a 24-hour live broadcast.

You've got to remember that, no so long ago, the average person never ventured farther than 50 miles from the spot he/she was born, and only major, earth-shaking international news filtered down to the boonies - wars, assassinations, etc etc...until the time of mass media (radio/tv) even newspapers were not very representative of the "outside world", since they so often reflected their publishers point of view, and news would or would not see the light of day depending on circumstance. That has changed somewhat now with the almost global homogenization of news - ownership concentration, "dumbing down" and various other factors have contributed to the change in the way we, as a society, hear and understand our news.

Old Way: a certain very small segment of society held a tremendous amount of knowledge about a few select disciplines - farming, banking, manufacturing, etc etc.. Your Galileos and Newtons and Jeffersons and such - and the other 98% of the race led a life of (somewhat) blissful ignorance. A Narrow, but very Deep river.

New Way: a large segment of society knows a very small amount about a huge variety of things - From Britney to "yada yada yada" to the Simpsons - I'll wager that 85% of the people in the developed world have seen Spear's denuded pate - a Wide but very Shallow pond.

We are bombarded with meaningless, trivial, sound-bite sized pieces of information, because the purveyors of such data believe (rightly or wrongly, I'm not sure) that we have the attention span of a gnat, and no one will sit still for a 5-minute news story, much less an hour or whatnot of reasoned discussion.

You could probably add up the entire viewing audience for all time for "Meet the Press" and it wouldn't equal one night of "American Idol"....Sounds like you get it but Sandy doesn't. He's convinced that because he drives a Lincoln he is superior to anyone driving a foreign car (with the exception of English cars cause he conveniently is from there or whatever). He's also convinced that his generation was superior to the ones that followed. You are right though, we do see/hear more because of the media now than we ever did before. At times I watch the news channels and wonder, is this really newsworthy?. Do we really need to know this stuff?.

lawfive
03-12-07, 01:43 PM
Jim and Destroyer have a point. When Kennedy was getting blowjobs in the Oval Office, the media and the rest of the government had the good sense to look the other way and not tell the world all about it.

JimHare
03-12-07, 02:08 PM
I think we just touched a nerve with Sandy - understandable, since he spent a good portion of his life in that profession - and, if you think about it, I'm sure that for every prospective customer who'd wish to commit a violent act against a car salesman, there's a car salesman who'd like to commit a violent act against a customer. Luckily, we don't often act on those wishes..unless it's a slow news day, of course...

Be nice, people. The ability to NOT react in an instinctive, feral way is one of the few things that separate us from the lower specii.

JimHare
03-12-07, 02:13 PM
Jim and Destroyer have a point. When Kennedy was getting blowjobs in the Oval Office, the media and the rest of the government had the good sense to look the other way and not tell the world all about it.

Not sure how much of it was "good sense" versus a much less antagonistic attitude between the press and JFK than now.

A bit of it was circumspection, certainly. Some things didn't get mentioned in 'those days' - especially sexual things - but historically, the press and the Oval Office have been at odds, with few exceptions - FDR generally got good treatment, especially during the war, and Kennedy, as well. But just ask the old timers like Andrew Jackson or Taft or Tyler how well they got along with the Fourth Estate - vitriol that would make Bill O'Reilly look like Art Linkletter...

Destroyer
03-12-07, 02:21 PM
I think we just touched a nerve with Sandy - understandable, since he spent a good portion of his life in that profession - and, if you think about it, I'm sure that for every prospective customer who'd wish to commit a violent act against a car salesman, there's a car salesman who'd like to commit a violent act against a customer. Luckily, we don't often act on those wishes..unless it's a slow news day, of course...

Be nice, people. The ability to NOT react in an instinctive, feral way is one of the few things that separate us from the lower specii.
Nobody seems to really like salesmen of any kind. Nor do most people like lawyers, insurance people, realtors, you name it. There are plenty of them getting shot as well.

lawfive
03-12-07, 02:59 PM
Not sure how much of it was "good sense" versus a much less antagonistic attitude between the press and JFK than now.

A bit of it was circumspection, certainly. Some things didn't get mentioned in 'those days' - especially sexual things - but historically, the press and the Oval Office have been at odds, with few exceptions - FDR generally got good treatment, especially during the war, and Kennedy, as well. But just ask the old timers like Andrew Jackson or Taft or Tyler how well they got along with the Fourth Estate - vitriol that would make Bill O'Reilly look like Art Linkletter...

Gee, you always sound so... authoritative. How do you do that? :alchi:

The press goes through cyclic periods where titillation is fair game or not, yellow journalism is prevalent or not, etc. We're in a high cycle. Also: today we have too many sources of news, most of which are using whatever low tactics they can to compete for our viewership.

I don't want to know who fell out of their dress at an event, or who's dating/diddling/cheating on/divorcing whom, or what kind of stain wound up on an intern's dress. I get enough of that at home.

JimHare
03-12-07, 03:05 PM
Gee, you always sound so... authoritative. How do you do that? :alchi:

I had business cards printed...


Ehhhh...most of it is BS...:eyebrow: Just sounds authoritative...

Sandy
03-12-07, 04:12 PM
I'm with Sandy on this one - it may just be the more pervasive aspect of the news (you hear about EVERYTHING sooner or later), but it certainly seems like there's an awful lot of mindless shooting going on. Anger manifests itself in violent outbursts against the (perceived) source - frequently missing the target and instead tragically injuring or killing a completely innocent bystander.

However, I have a more-than-substantial feeling that the actual numbers of violent incidents per capita have not increased noticeably in the last 100 years or so - it's just that with camera phones, CNN, the internet, and all the other "just one big global village" stuff, we hear about every damn thing that piques an editor's interest - or is needed to fill up a 24-hour live broadcast.

You've got to remember that, no so long ago, the average person never ventured farther than 50 miles from the spot he/she was born, and only major, earth-shaking international news filtered down to the boonies - wars, assassinations, etc etc...until the time of mass media (radio/tv) even newspapers were not very representative of the "outside world", since they so often reflected their publishers point of view, and news would or would not see the light of day depending on circumstance. That has changed somewhat now with the almost global homogenization of news - ownership concentration, "dumbing down" and various other factors have contributed to the change in the way we, as a society, hear and understand our news.

Old Way: a certain very small segment of society held a tremendous amount of knowledge about a few select disciplines - farming, banking, manufacturing, etc etc.. Your Galileos and Newtons and Jeffersons and such - and the other 98% of the race led a life of (somewhat) blissful ignorance. A Narrow, but very Deep river.

New Way: a large segment of society knows a very small amount about a huge variety of things - From Britney to "yada yada yada" to the Simpsons - I'll wager that 85% of the people in the developed world have seen Spear's denuded pate - a Wide but very Shallow pond.

We are bombarded with meaningless, trivial, sound-bite sized pieces of information, because the purveyors of such data believe (rightly or wrongly, I'm not sure) that we have the attention span of a gnat, and no one will sit still for a 5-minute news story, much less an hour or whatnot of reasoned discussion.

You could probably add up the entire viewing audience for all time for "Meet the Press" and it wouldn't equal one night of "American Idol"....

BOY, I WISH I HAD SAID ALL OF THIS ! EXCELLENT SCRIBE !

Sandy
03-12-07, 04:41 PM
Let me tell you all the story of the one customer, whom at that moment in time I woulda like to have shot, and I know he would have liked shooting me. I have hoards of good storys from 27 years of dealing with the pubic, Oops, the public, there, thats' better.....

Mr.Heinowitz.
I felt that this would be a happy and good "deal" as his kid & I graduated in the same high school class, and we all lived in the same town. It's the 1st year of the Dodge Omni & Omni is ~HOT~ ! Heinowitz (who I had never met, prior) comes into the dealership I worked at & (sadly) he is my "UP" (Automotive term for customer). Going in, he seems like an okay guy and he knows what he wants! (Always good). He wants a A/C stick shift Omni in either white or the light blue. I figure the INVOICE out, and he has no trade, so it SHOULD be an easy deal. I take invoice and I add $ 400 profit. I cannot go any high as there was only $500 in the car! Invoice-to-window -sticker. So, of course Heinowitz screams like a wounded cayotee over that price, and I am nuts, and and and and.....He also adds that he cannot wait 4-5-6 weeks for delivery and he needs it yesterday !!
So..... I go on the DEALER LOCATOR and there is ONE car in all of New Jersey that will fit him. It's a stick, with A/C and WW tires and it's light blue. Just what he wants !!
So, to speed stuff up I whip out the factory to dealer invoice and hand itto him. The long & the short of it is......he'll pay $200.00 over, that's it.
My boss says WTF, he lives in town, it's good advertising, write him up.
So, I write the deal and Heinowitz signs the order, leaves $200 deposit.
I told him the full description of the car & he was pleased. I also told him NOT to go looking for the car and would not tell him at which dealer it was at.
It actually was at a dealer only 5 miles away. I call that dealer & tell them that we wrote the deal and will take that car. We will pick it up tomorrow afternoon. That dealer agrees !
Meanwhile Heinowitz goes home and starts calling dealers (I assume in the area) to search for the car. He finds the car, that day, by 6PM and heads on out to that dealer to see it (WRONG MOVE) !
Gets there and immediately is taken as an up, and is with a salesman. He sits in, & drives the car, and takes about 30 minutes of the guys time. He never mentions that he has left a D/P on the car at another dealer on a "locate" ... Heinowitz leaves. Next day, at 9:05AM the other dealer calls us, saying that they did not realize it BUT one of their salesmen has a "HOT ONE" on THAT car, and therefore they cannot swap it with us.
We call Heinowitz. We ask him if he went there....He admits. I tell him that NOW they will not swap the car, as they feel they have a HOT ONE one it.
Heinowitz calls them (he was so stupid) and tells them that he is the guy that we were getting the car for. Other dealer licking chops, tells us that we are NOT getting the car. Then they tell Heinowitz that they want list price, or MSRLP. Heinowitz go ballistic ! Comes in SCREAMING at me !! ( ?? ) Now he is threatening a law suit (over ??) Oh, he had a contract with us and and and......He wants to buy from us as we were at $200 over invoice and the other dealer is at MSRLP. Next thing ya know my boss gets a lawyer's letter regarding failure to deliver on a written contract, and I am mentioned as failure to secure a sold car, and the other dealer is sued for failure to release a car to another dealer and and and. We all meet in court and after 30 minutes the Judge throws it all out and says we (and I) and the other dealer did nothing illeagle and we are independant businessmen and by Heinowitz actions he himself threw the monkey wrench into the deal....

Heinowitz would not ride down in the same elevator with us. We returned his D/P via certified letter.

This is a small tiny little example of what it's like dealing with the pubic.

Then there was the DeAllesso Brothers.......

lawfive
03-12-07, 04:54 PM
That's life, Sandy. I feel for you, but I'm assuming that you picked your line of work.

I know a cop who puts up with much worse crap from the scum of the earth every day. And he's always got two sidearms available. Hasn't shot anyone yet, though. Occasionally wants to.

dkozloski
03-12-07, 05:25 PM
My co-workers daughter wanted a new Ford Ranger pickup. The dealer was featuring an extended warranty to buyers. A match made in heaven. The girl comes home and announces the deal is made. The guy takes her over to pick up the rig and looks the paperwork over. No extended warranty. He asks the salesman whats up and he announces that since she didn't specifically ask for it she wouldn't get it. The guy grabs the salesman by the neck tie and in a fit of rage lifts him off his feet and up against the wall with one hand.
She got the warranty. On top of that whenever she took the vehicle in for work her dad went with her and no matter what it was the "Limited" warranty covered it.

Spyder
03-12-07, 05:35 PM
That's not the right way to do it either...The guys a dumbass. I would have made damned good and sure she DIDN'T get the extended warranty after that.

lawfive
03-12-07, 05:39 PM
That's not the right way to do it either...The guys a dumbass. I would have made damned good and sure she DIDN'T get the extended warranty after that.
:yeah:

RightTurn
03-12-07, 06:05 PM
Nice job RT, now you've upset folks by posting the news. You friggen kids just don't understand what is was like back in the old days when we only popped a cap in somebody's ass because they were a different color, race or religion. Nowdays you just doing it because you're mad.....back then we had a real reason.
:alchi:


I :gurl: C. :lol:

Rolex
03-12-07, 08:32 PM
Run it's course.