: So who makes better cars? GM or Toyota?



Jon
03-09-07, 04:17 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17437402/site/newsweek/

After 78,000 votes, 83% say GM. :thumbsup:

Fvck Toyota

Destroyer
03-09-07, 08:50 PM
I still have faith in GM. I never did like the appliance like feel Toyota's have. In 2000 I went through a crazy sensible stage and bought 2 brand new Camry's for the wife and I. Both had oil sludge issues when they hit the upper 30k mile range and both did not have anti lock brakes and both nearly killed us because they liked to slide through red lights when the roads were slick/wet. As a matter of fact a good friend of mine owns a new '07 Camry and he hit a bump in the road and it made the rear passenger wheel kind of tilt inward, I thought it just needed the camber adjusted. Anyway, this happened yesterday and today I drove him to the Toyota dealership where he left the car to be fixed. They told him either the strut was bent or the shock tower bent they werent sure but they claim he must have hit a huge divider or something and he didn't. He showed me the bump he hit and it was only slightly bigger than your average speed bump. He is pissed that something as small as that could possibly have caused damage and it looks like the dealer does not want to fix it. I have no interest in owning another Toyota but I do like the Lexus models.

Jesda
03-09-07, 10:03 PM
Depends on what particular cars/trucks and the working definition of better. I dislike Toyotas because of hideous design and poor performance.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-09-07, 10:14 PM
**** Toyota (cars). Their trucks/suv's are nice though.

Jesda
03-09-07, 10:15 PM
**** Toyota (cars). Their trucks/suv's are nice though.

I hate those most of all. Mom's GX is a lumbering, cramped, poorly designed heap. Her husband's LX is overpriced weaksauce.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-09-07, 10:17 PM
I hate those most of all. Mom's GX is a lumbering, cramped, poorly designed heap. Her husband's LX is overpriced weaksauce.

I'm not big on the Lexus SUV's, but I am fond of the (and all of these are the latest generation) Sequoia, 4Runner, Land Cruiser, RAV4 (didn't see that one coming), Tacoma and even the Tundra, but I'd still take a Silverado over a Tundra.

Sandy
03-09-07, 11:08 PM
A toyota is considered a car? Really ?:histeric: :bang2: :xbs:

Wow! I learn something new, every day!

Destroyer
03-09-07, 11:47 PM
A toyota is considered a car? Really ?:histeric: :bang2: :xbs:

Wow! I learn something new, every day!

Nah, its a toaster. :eek:

gary88
03-10-07, 12:05 AM
The only Toyota I would ever grace my presence upon would be a late model Supra. Quite possibly the only Toyota that actually accelerates.

Wiseguy2
03-10-07, 01:58 AM
Health-care costs alone add $1,200 to the cost of each car GM builds in the United States. By contrast, Toyota's health-care costs are about $200 per car. The upshot: Toyota has a stunning $1,800 profit-per-car advantage over GM in the United States, says Harbour-Felax.

That about sums it up. Freaking UAW >:(

DopeStar 156
03-10-07, 02:29 AM
The new Silverado beat out the Tundra in I think Motor Trend's comparison tests. And to think of all the bragging Toyota does in their commercials......

EDBSO
03-10-07, 05:56 PM
Isn't that interesting. http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Vote with your index finger on the www and it is GM. http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Vote with you wallet where the cash meets the asphalt and they are purchasing http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gifTOYOTA. http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Go figurehttp://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif

railven
03-10-07, 06:09 PM
Isn't that interesting. http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Vote with your index finger on the www and it is GM. http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Vote with you wallet where the cash meets the asphalt and they are purchasing http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gifTOYOTA. http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Go figurehttp://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif

This reminds me of a Talk-Radio guy saying something of the sort:

"Surveys don't mean a damn thing in America. Sure the Post puts out a survey and people answer it, what does that mean? Nothing."

He was talking about a survery by the Post about that Obama guy. It seems 94% of Americans don't care if the President is black. He made some great points in his talk and I was surprised I didn't switch the station.

After reading that whole article seems like GM is hurting. They hurting bad! 10.6 billion dollar lost last year? WHAT THE HELL?

LS1Mike
03-10-07, 06:47 PM
Fairly decent article, I don't feel Ford or GM have anything to worry about with the new Tundra though.

STS127
03-10-07, 07:26 PM
I think that it is quite obvious that todays society is EXTREMELY trendy. The trend nowadays in the automotive business is that foreign cars are "better". Yes Toyota, Honda and Nissan make a good automobile but I think the Americans can make just as good as a car if not better, considering domestics are considerably cheaper and are a better value. Everyone in my family drives American cars and we never have any problems, knock on wood.

railven
03-10-07, 08:35 PM
I think that it is quite obvious that todays society is EXTREMELY trendy. The trend nowadays in the automotive business is that foreign cars are "better". Yes Toyota, Honda and Nissan make a good automobile but I think the Americans can make just as good as a car if not better, considering domestics are considerably cheaper and are a better value. Everyone in my family drives American cars and we never have any problems, knock on wood.

Ummm am I the only that see something wrong with you using the term "trend/trendy" as a defense for the hole the American Auto Industry is in?

Ipods/Macs are both trendy and effecient/reliable/superior then most MP3-players/PC on the market. [And I hate IPOD/Apple]

I doubt its just a "trend." My whole family, minus me, owns a foreign car and they have nothing but the highest respect for them. You know how many people I had to argue with when I said I was getting the Caddy? Hell my uncle, a mechanic, literally cussed me out.

It is always amusing how people are. You have those that support American autos and those supporting foreign autos and they both have the exact same thing to say about the other.

"You're going to spend more money fixing it then buying it."