Future Escalade

[jbling173]

Since the rumors of a smaller Escalade is said to be true online, I just want to know if anybody knows if the Lambda frame is the same size as the GMT900 frame. If the GMT 900 frame is the same size as the Lambda frame, then GM does not have to make the Escalade smaller right? I pull a boat and if GM makes the Escalade smaller, then I will have to find a full size SUV other than GM! I love my Escalade and if GM decides to make the next Escalade smaller, then I rather keep my 08 Escalade for life!

[mdadgar]

Originally Posted by jbling173

Since the rumors of a smaller Escalade is said to be true online, I just want to know if anybody knows if the Lambda frame is the same size as the GMT900 frame. If the GMT 900 frame is the same size as the Lambda frame, then GM does not have to make the Escalade smaller right? I pull a boat and if GM makes the Escalade smaller, then I will have to find a full size SUV other than GM! I love my Escalade and if GM decides to make the next Escalade smaller, then I rather keep my 08 Escalade for life!

The Lambda platform and the MT900 frame are not the same. But since the Lambda vehicles have a 6000lb towing capacity, you'll probably be fine either way.

- Mark

[Algemein]

Originally Posted by jbling173

Since the rumors of a smaller Escalade is said to be true online, I just want to know if anybody knows if the Lambda frame is the same size as the GMT900 frame. If the GMT 900 frame is the same size as the Lambda frame, then GM does not have to make the Escalade smaller right? I pull a boat and if GM makes the Escalade smaller, then I will have to find a full size SUV other than GM! I love my Escalade and if GM decides to make the next Escalade smaller, then I rather keep my 08 Escalade for life!

I agree with you a Toyota Sequoia will be my next full sized suv . I'm ready to give up on my truck now I had to take it in because the drvers side HID lamp would not ignite, got it back today after they repaired the part and now my back up camera does not come on screen, my audio and nav are working though. I checked the camera and it's not broken or anythign, but it seems that there is something always going wrong with this truck. I swear everytime I take it in they must purposely break something.

[hcvone]

Originally Posted by Algemein

I agree with you a Toyota Sequoia will be my next full sized suv . I'm ready to give up on my truck now I had to take it in because the drvers side HID lamp would not ignite, got it back today after they repaired the part and now my back up camera does not come on screen, my audio and nav are working though. I checked the camera and it's not broken or anythign, but it seems that there is something always going wrong with this truck. I swear everytime I take it in they must purposely break something.

Any other local dealerships you can use? Poor service is the worst.

[Algemein]

Originally Posted by hcvone

Any other local dealerships you can use? Poor service is the worst.

It's not just the dealership, it's the truck, the truck is a nightmare. Every other week something breaks or does not operate correctly on the truck. I made the mistake of buying one when I should have looked at reviews on it. I see the reviews and customer complaints and reliability ratings,on Edmunds and motor trend etc; and I cannot express how much I regret buying this thing. Because I'm experiencing most of the problems that owners have complained about. All the GM vehicles I have owned have always given me trouble. Juxtaposed to the imports that I have owned. But the escalade takes the cake. I have had a laundry list of things repaired on this vehilce and I have a 2008 Escalade that I bought brand new and I have only 852 miles on it.I have learned my lesson, this is my last GM vehicle.

[jbling173]

Originally Posted by mdadgar

The Lambda platform and the MT900 frame are not the same. But since the Lambda vehicles have a 6000lb towing capacity, you'll probably be fine either way.

- Mark

Wait, The lambda frame is smaller in width and lenght than the GMT900?

[Lord Cadillac]

Originally Posted by Algemein

It's not just the dealership, it's the truck, the truck is a nightmare. Every other week something breaks or does not operate correctly on the truck. I made the mistake of buying one when I should have looked at reviews on it. I see the reviews and customer complaints and reliability ratings,on Edmunds and motor trend etc; and I cannot express how much I regret buying this thing. Because I'm experiencing most of the problems that owners have complained about. All the GM vehicles I have owned have always given me trouble. Juxtaposed to the imports that I have owned. But the escalade takes the cake. I have had a laundry list of things repaired on this vehilce and I have a 2008 Escalade that I bought brand new and I have only 852 miles on it.I have learned my lesson, this is my last GM vehicle.

Unfortunately, you have a lemon. My Escalade has been a problem free experience for almost two years now...

[mdadgar]

Originally Posted by jbling173

Wait, The lambda frame is smaller in width and lenght than the GMT900?

The Lambda platform is a unibody, not a frame. But the point is that it can tow 6000 lbs, so unless you've got one HUGE boat, it's gonna be fine.

- Mark

[Algemein]

Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac

Unfortunately, you have a lemon. My Escalade has been a problem free experience for almost two years now...

A brand new car is supposed to be problem free and a lemon constitutes as a vehicle that goes in for the same problem and cannot be fixed. My problem is the vehicles quality, I am experiencing the same problems that owners complain about, unfortuanately I did not fully review the vehicle otherwise I would have not purchased it.
And if you want to call it a lemon go ahead, it has a GM badge on it so the name fits..

[Dif]

Originally Posted by jbling173

Wait, The lambda frame is smaller in width and lenght than the GMT900?

On the GMC site you can Compare vehicles side by side showing all the dimensions.
Length, width, head room, leg room, shoulder width, hip width etc
Some of the Lambda frame vehicles wheel base is one inch longer or the same as an Escalade.
Same with width and height but, are lower to the ground.
Leg and head height are very close.
Dimensions are deceiving though, the vehicles are smaller. Period.
The real difference is the hip and shoulder room being 3-5 inches Smaller in the Lambda vehicles.

They say a V-8 will be in them but doubt it will be a 6.2 or anything even close.
Check out the Chevy Traverse.. looks like a CTS inside with an Escalade steering wheel.
The Enclave also has the Escalade steering wheel in it.
Chevy Traverse, Buick Enclave, Saturn Outlook and GMC Acadia
If GM makes the Escalades into Lambda vehicles they may be nice in their own way but they will never be what the Escaldes are now.

[Algemein]

Don't get me wrong, I love the design of the truck and I love the look. And I love it when it runs right and gives no trouble like it should. Where it fails in quality it makes up for looks. Looks dont' count for much for me if it spends basically every other week at the dealer becuase of something breaking down or not working as it should.

[fear1]

Originally Posted by Algemein

A brand new car is supposed to be problem free and a lemon constitutes as a vehicle that goes in for the same problem and cannot be fixed. My problem is the vehicles quality, I am experiencing the same problems that owners complain about, unfortuanately I did not fully review the vehicle otherwise I would have not purchased it.
And if you want to call it a lemon go ahead, it has a GM badge on it so the name fits..

Sounds like you need to contact the local Cadillac rep and see if they will do a courtesy buy-back. I know that my first Escalade I only had about 45,000 miles on it when I traded it in and I had to take it in to the dealer 2 times in those 3 years. My 07 Escalade I have had at the dealer once in 6000 miles. I know what you mean about having a car in the shop every other week, my 07 Mustang GT was in the shop more in the first month of ownership than it was in my driveway. After that, it has been back once for a recall. Don't get too discouraged, although it is a major convenience having to drop it off, then not have a vehicle the rest of the day.

How many different problems have you had?

[jbling173]

Originally Posted by Dif

On the GMC site you can Compare vehicles side by side showing all the dimensions.
Length, width, head room, leg room, shoulder width, hip width etc
Some of the Lambda frame vehicles wheel base is one inch longer or the same as an Escalade.
Same with width and height but, are lower to the ground.
Leg and head height are very close.
Dimensions are deceiving though, the vehicles are smaller. Period.
The real difference is the hip and shoulder room being 3-5 inches Smaller in the Lambda vehicles.

They say a V-8 will be in them but doubt it will be a 6.2 or anything even close.
Check out the Chevy Traverse.. looks like a CTS inside with an Escalade steering wheel.
The Enclave also has the Escalade steering wheel in it.
Chevy Traverse, Buick Enclave, Saturn Outlook and GMC Acadia
If GM makes the Escalades into Lambda vehicles they may be nice in their own way but they will never be what the Escaldes are now.

Thanks I understand it now. But if I were GM, I wouldn't make the Escalade smaller. The Escalade is an Icon to young,old people. If I say Cadillac Escalade to my friends, they think of a big SUV with a lot of bling. I think Gm is destroying the Escalade's Icon in my own opinion. If I were one gm's design managers, then I would instead use the Lambda frame then modify the frame to make the frame higher to the ground. That way, the height would be the same and there would be better leg room and space in the interior. If GM were to go with the lambda frame, then gm could say good-bye to my wallet and hopefully lose customers and realize what they did was a big mistake! Hopefully GM reads this letter.

[Dif]

Originally Posted by jbling173

Thanks I understand it now. But if I were GM, I wouldn't make the Escalade smaller. The Escalade is an Icon to young,old people. If I say Cadillac Escalade to my friends, they think of a big SUV with a lot of bling. I think Gm is destroying the Escalade's Icon in my own opinion. If I were one gm's design managers, then I would instead use the Lambda frame then modify the frame to make the frame higher to the ground. That way, the height would be the same and there would be better leg room and space in the interior. If GM were to go with the lambda frame, then gm could say good-bye to my wallet and hopefully lose customers and realize what they did was a big mistake! Hopefully GM reads this letter.

I agree, I wouldn't be buying an Escalade on the Lambda setup.
I only have an Escalade because they offer it in the EXT setup.
I bought it because it is a "truck" with Luxury and the best riding truck I've ever owned and I think the same goes for any of the Escalade versions.
If I only wanted a fancy cool vehicle slightly smaller in size.. there are plenty to choose from, but that's not what I wanted in a vehicle.
As for your thoughts on GM changing the Lambda frame if made into an Escalade.
You have to realize, the reason GM might do this is because they think more people will want it the way the Lambda is already setup. No changes.

If they have to change the frame to make it bigger and better, they will be defeating their purpose and making it into what they already have, a real Escalade and it will be counter productive.
They don't want to change the frame because it's something already in production.
No new tooling or expense required etc.

The problem I see with using the Lambda setup is even if they put a V-8 in them it will be a smaller one.
It may still be able to tow a lot of weight but will not be able to tow it the way the current Escalades can tow now, regardless of whether it can tow the same amount of weight or a little less.
It's just a simple fact that with a smaller engine in a large vehicle it will suffer in gas mileage and more importantly the "ease' with which it can haul weight.
Towing or other wise.
EPA "estimates" might be great with only a driver, but once 3-4 people are inside and or a load, it is not going to compare to what the current Escalade is capable of.

I do think a Lambda Escalade will appeal to a lot of people and with fold flat rear seats it will be a nice thing.

But anyone like us wanting a full size Luxury vehicle I am afraid we'll be out of luck.
And let's not forget, GM will be designing something they "Think" we will want only to improve sales.
Who knows, only time will tell and GM might do something we all like

[mdadgar]

Originally Posted by Dif

It may still be able to tow a lot of weight but will not be able to tow it the way the current Escalades can tow now, regardless of whether it can tow the same amount of weight or a little less.

How many people do you think are REALLY towing with their Escalades?

GM has a pretty good idea of what that number is, thanks to all the market research they do, and I'm willing to bet it's very, very small.

- Mark