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Worth fixing a head gasket and what damage does an engine take?

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I'm about to do a head gasket replacement in about 2 weeks as soon as I get my timesert kit.

What I'm wondering is although my 96 deville starts up it smokes a whole lot and it shakes slightly at idle its not a smooth idle etc.

What components get damaged with a head gasket failure I just bought the car 3 months ago and I don't know how long it was driven with the head gasket bad.

would the pistons etc. go bad?

i have most of the parts i plan to replace including all gaskets etc. but are there any internal parts i should replace?

the last thing i want is to do the head gasket and then run it afterwards and have bad engine parts making noise or failing completely after the head gasket overhaul.
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Re: Worth fixing a head gasket and what damage does an engine take?

It sounds to me like you have a leaking valve seal. You're getting oil into your combustion chamber. Be sure to take your heads to a machine shop and have the heads overhauled. I have a place near me that does it for $60 a head.
Sometimes you can't tell which part of the head gasket is blown but you'll almost always see that one of the pistons is bad and probably needs new rings if not a new piston. So I would replace all the rings. You'll have to unbolt the rods for this so you may as well replace all the rod inserts. Buy some stuff called "Engine Assembly Lube". Put this on rod bearings, cylinder walls, and any other place that oil usually lubricates moving parts. This is used for lubrication during those critical moments when you start your engine and oil hasn't started circulating yet.
And here's the most important part: KEEP TRACK OF YOUR PARTS. Buy some small zip-lock bags. When you take out a set of bolts, put them into a bag, write what they are on a small piece of paper and put it into the bag. Do this religiously to everything you take off the engine -- every bolt, every bracket, every pipe, every tube, EVERYTHING.
Then another important part -- get a digital camera. If you don't have one, buy one. Consider this as part of the expense of overhauling an engine. Take pictures of EVERYTHING!! Open the hood, take some pictures. Disconnect the battery, take some pictures. Remove the altenator, take some pictures. No manual or descriptions can take the place of a picture. You will not be able to remember what you took off when or how. I speak from experience.

And of course, run some tests before you start to determine if it really is a blown head gasket.
Jim
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Re: Worth fixing a head gasket and what damage does an engine take?

since your doing the head gaskets and will likely remove the engine from the car why not do the whole rebuild ....not being familir with the northstar or your case as far as how long it was ran and to what extent various bearing were exposed to coolant i would wonder about the heath of the camshaft bearings , main bearings , and rod bearings ...It would also be a nice time to regasket the entire engine ...have the heads taken care of and inspected ...

hopefully bbob will come by and corect me , but if i remeber right extended exposure to coolant saturated oil is bad for bearings ....

just a few sugestions from someone who has dealt with headgaskt failures , albiet not on cadillac engines
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Re: Worth fixing a head gasket and what damage does an engine take?

clearwater , i read that part about digital cameras , you have really hit on something i belive in , most of the big jobs ive done are fully documented , i even have a 4l80e tranny album here on the hard drive LOL ...that album came out in handy for the next 6 rebuilds LOL
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