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    I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    Same dealership that I borrowed the '96 Fleetwood from. The Fleetwood was still there, but it's been sold to a retired Lawyer in Missouri. He already has a '94 and a '95, loves black, and shouldn't be at all disappointed in this one. I'm glad to know it's going to a good home.

    Anyway, the '98 DeVille was a nice car, green with a kind of gray interior. I liked the way it drove better than the Fleetwood. Steering was more responsive, acceleration was more instantaneous, but not quite as torque-y if you know what I mean. I liked the car.

    It didn't feel at all like a FWD car! Magnasteer is nice. Very light touch.

    One of the grandkids spilled kool-aid on the floor in the back. This didn't look like a stain that would come out, either. Then we popped the trunk and I saw the mat. It was even worse. This carpet needed to be replaced altogether, and at least one new floor mat was needed.

    Then just out of curiosity I lifted the little trap door to check out the spare tire. THE JACK WAS RUSTY! The wheel of the space saver was rusty, too. I felt around, and there was one hell of a lot of moisture back there--almost like a sponge. There was some mold, mildew or something growing on the carpet, pretty thick, too. This car had been wet for a long, long time.

    The salesman just about crapped on himself. He obviously didn't know, and was embarrassed about it, too.

    Now, whoever knows about this, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN? Are these cars prone to trunk leaks? Is it more likely that the water came from the top or the bottom? Any ideas?

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis
    Same dealership that I borrowed the '96 Fleetwood from. The Fleetwood was still there, but it's been sold to a retired Lawyer in Missouri. He already has a '94 and a '95, loves black, and shouldn't be at all disappointed in this one. I'm glad to know it's going to a good home.

    Anyway, the '98 DeVille was a nice car, green with a kind of gray interior. I liked the way it drove better than the Fleetwood. Steering was more responsive, acceleration was more instantaneous, but not quite as torque-y if you know what I mean. I liked the car.

    It didn't feel at all like a FWD car! Magnasteer is nice. Very light touch.

    One of the grandkids spilled kool-aid on the floor in the back. This didn't look like a stain that would come out, either. Then we popped the trunk and I saw the mat. It was even worse. This carpet needed to be replaced altogether, and at least one new floor mat was needed.

    Then just out of curiosity I lifted the little trap door to check out the spare tire. THE JACK WAS RUSTY! The wheel of the space saver was rusty, too. I felt around, and there was one hell of a lot of moisture back there--almost like a sponge. There was some mold, mildew or something growing on the carpet, pretty thick, too. This car had been wet for a long, long time.

    The salesman just about crapped on himself. He obviously didn't know, and was embarrassed about it, too.

    Now, whoever knows about this, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN? Are these cars prone to trunk leaks? Is it more likely that the water came from the top or the bottom? Any ideas?
    Maybe it has a salvaged title for flood damage. Check it out. I bought my caddy with a flood damage history and I heard the car stayed wet for a long time after. If that is the case, which it probably is, don't buy the car. I have had nothing but problems (computer problems) with my deville and I regret the day I bought it.

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    If there isn't any indication of any water under the carpet in the front, it is probably not a flood salvage. I would first pull the weatherstrip from the pinch weld around the trunk opening. What you're looking for is any variation from one side of the vehicle to the other in texture of the metal, the look of the welds, etc... This is one indication that the vehicle may have been wrecked, and the weatherstrip is not seating properly to the underside of the deck. Does the car have a sunroof? Water in the trunk could be coming from a drainage tube that has come loose. Sunroofs are not weather tight to the roof, they have drainage tubes at all 4 corners that run down the A and the C pillars. The tubes are usually routed to the inner wheel well some where. If one of those tubes has come loose, it will direct any and all water that comes around the sunroof directly into the vehicle. If all else fails, you could always climb into the trunk with a flashlight and have a buddy spray water around the trunk lid to see if there is still water coming in. Make sure to pay special attention to any grommets filling holes that go to the outside. Also, pull the spare and make sure the floor plugs are all there.

    Hope that helps!

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    No salvage title (the salesman said it had a clean CARFAX),

    No sunroof (I've had that problem before with Acuras and know how to fix it)

    I suspected the drain plugs in the floor first. But when I looked underneath I couldn't see any. The trunk lining had been removed and improperly re-installed. Not all of those "snap" plug thingys were re-connected. That may have had something to do with when they removed the CD player, though.

    There was a lot of water that had evaporated and then condensed on metal & plastic. There was a little "eco-sphere" forming back there with all the mold and mildew that was growing. Kind of a terrarium effect.

    The water also seemed to almost be puddling in the well where the spare is kept. Water from above makes a little more sense now that I think about it.

    We've had about 3" of rain this week, and the car was sitting out. The weather stripping around the rear window appeared to be coming loose in the bottom corners, but I couldn't see how that could be the source.

    The big gasket that seals the trunk looked to be okay. This was a puzzlement, and it looked like a problem that the previous owner had been experiencing for quite a while, but probably wasn't aware of.

    I really don't think that anyone at the dealership knew about this problem, because I can't imagine them letting it go for so long, or until someone bought the car and noticed it--too much potential for long-term damage.

    Otherwise, this was a very nice car. It had new Michelins, and the premium sound system already wired for a 12-disc changer. I like the way they drive, accelerate and handle. But frankly, unless I can find a pristine '98 or '99, I'm probably back to looking for a 2001-2002 model. That's a lot more money than I want to spend right now, so I'll have to sell a lot of software between now and the end of the year.

    I have, at least, settled on a color. It gots to be BLACK. I prefer tan interior this time around, though. That narrows down my choices, but it gives me an excuse to turn something else down if I'm "iffy" about it.

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    That's really a beautiful car Elvis! I would tell the dealer to fix the problem, new weatherstripping, etc. and consider it! You liked it? I haven't seen rims like that with the gold emblems on the center caps, very classy.

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    I wasn't too crazy about the gold emblems on the rims. They weren't real Caddy emblems. Aftermarket all the way. And the car had gold crests and script all over it. Not my style.

    The salesman said they would swap the rims for me with any aluminum ones I picked at no cost (of course, I'd fight for a discount).

    I wasn't serious about buying THAT car, I really just wanted to rule it out, and I can't now. It drives really nice and had a GREAT sound system.

    I needed an excuse to make an exit, I had been there an hour and the salesman was trying to get me inside to talk money. As soon as I found the floor mat with the horrible stains on it, he started promising all new carpet, etc. Then when I found the water and the rusty jack, it kind of killed the mood! It was kind of funny. What ELSE could go wrong? I DEFINITELY wasn't going to make an offer on that car today.

    I'll check back in a couple weeks, and I'll watch their web listings. If something turns up, I'll go check it out. Otherwise, I'm going to have to just sit tight for a few more weeks longer than I had planned. (remember, my original plan was to get a loaded Fleetwood for less than $12K)

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    I respect your "sticking to your guns" attitude.

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    Elvis,
    Several possibilities here.
    1. The car was in an accident and the trunk was open for sometime during the whole issue and never got dried out properly.
    2. There was something spilled in the trunk and it never got dried out properly.
    3. (most likely scenario) Along the front/upper area of the trunk, there are seams where the rear deck and 1/4 panel are attached to each other. They SHOULD be coated with something called "seam-sealer". This stuff has a tendancy to crack and leak. It's also possible that someone did some bodywork in that area and never "properly" resealed those welds. This is a VERY COMMON water leak on many GM cars, not just K, C, and D-bodies.

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    A lot of the G body GM cars (Aurora, '98+ STS/SLS) tend to have trunk leaks. For the STS/SLS, there was a new trunk weatherstrip released for 2004. You might look at the weatherstrip for your leak. Removing it and resealing it may help.

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    Thanks for all the suggestions and replies, ONE AND ALL!

    El Dobro is probably right, but it's scary how much of this points to a possible accident.

    I saw another '98 DeVille Saturday. It was silver, but had absolutely HORRIBLE paint on the rear panels. The car had probably been keyed--"BUT IT HAS A CLEAR CARFAX!"

    I told the salesman that I had backed into a lawnmower once, doing over $700 worth of paint damage--no body work. It never showed up on CARFAX.

    CARFAX is a nice thing to have, but there's no substitute for inspecting the car yourself. I think I've ruled out buying anything on the Internet unless it's new or under warranty.

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis
    Thanks for all the suggestions and replies, ONE AND ALL!

    El Dobro is probably right, but it's scary how much of this points to a possible accident.

    I saw another '98 DeVille Saturday. It was silver, but had absolutely HORRIBLE paint on the rear panels. The car had probably been keyed--"BUT IT HAS A CLEAR CARFAX!"

    I told the salesman that I had backed into a lawnmower once, doing over $700 worth of paint damage--no body work. It never showed up on CARFAX.

    CARFAX is a nice thing to have, but there's no substitute for inspecting the car yourself. I think I've ruled out buying anything on the Internet unless it's new or under warranty.
    Even if it was in an accident, at least it was hit from behind and has a good paint job; base your offer convinced that it was in an accident. The car is pretty nice.

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    FYI -- if one seaches on "trunk leaks" (within this forum) you will find some other posts outlining some repair options for 92-02 Cadillacs. In addition to what's in the other posts, aslo consider checking and/or resetting the stops for the trunk ---- to a height which allows slight compression of the gasket. I suspect the trunk lid may not be lowering enough on some of these cars with the leaking trunk seals. c

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    Any water damage scares me to death when searching for that perfect Cady. I'm always leary of FLOOD DAMAGED vehicles that carfax out of the South or MidWest. There may not be any leaks, because the ASS end was under water for a while...just a thought!


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    P.S. Go to Google and type in "Flood Vehicles".

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    Re: I checked out a '98 DeVille today... THE TRUNK LEAKS?!?

    I just bought a 97 deville in Nov. and the trunk leaked to the point of rusty jack, mold on the carpet, and a pool with a spare tire in it. With a hose and time, I found the leak to be in the upper right hand corner under the trunk gasket. There is a weld in there if you lift up your gasket, I put a little sealant in the weld, removed all my carpets in the trunk for a hose down and dry, and put wd-40 on the jack. p.s. there should be a weld on both sides of the trunk, check it out

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