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1985-1992 Fleetwood, 1993 Sixty Special, All FWD Forum Discussion, 2002 deville dash shot in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; I've had my deville for almost 3 years now, and it's time for me to replace the dash. When I ...
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    2002 deville dash shot

    I've had my deville for almost 3 years now, and it's time for me to replace the dash.
    When I bought the car, I noticed the dash was held together with screws in many places. I went ahead with the sale because I got a good price and the dash looked fine for the moment.

    Fast forward, I had to finally take the rattling thing apart to get to the blend actuators and the whole then basically fell to pieces. Broken bits everywhere.

    Looking at the carnage, it seems that the car might've been a drug car, and they ripped into the dash to make sure there were none. Only conclusion I can come up with every single tab being broke...

    It I safe to say that all the trim, including the dash pad, the area around the radio and climate control, the area below the steering wheel and the trim around the glove compartment need to go in the trash. All of the screw mounts and clips in them are ruined. The only thing salvageable is the glovebox and the wood trim.

    Below is pics of the carnage. This is after I have already taken off all the bad pieces except the part that surrounds the radio. I think it's called the A pillar? I am going salvage yard hunting this weekend, but I need some tips on things to watch out for, and how to put it back together, the right way.
    Also, please don't be pessimistic. I am capable of fixing this I believe.
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    What a mess!

    If all that's broken is the tabs on the pieces of trim themselves, you can just replace the trim. If the plastic on the dashboard itself is damaged, you'll have to replace parts of the carrier itself (the carrier is basically the dashboard with no trim or electronics, the aluminum part), some of which require the carrier to be removed to access.

    At that point, it would be quicker and easier to just replace the entire dash, with one from a salvage yard.

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    The more I look at the pics, the more I see broken. I'm 99% sure the carrier needs to be removed to replace some of the parts in the picture that are removed, and I assume are broken off.

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    Looks more to me like a half asses heater core replacement. If you can't figure out how to remove it break it!

    I hate fixing other "mechanics" blunders...

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    I have already taken off all the bad pieces except the part that surrounds the radio. I think it's called the A pillar?
    The A pillar is the pillar that separates the windshield from the front doors.

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    What a mess!

    If all that's broken is the tabs on the pieces of trim themselves, you can just replace the trim. If the plastic on the dashboard itself is damaged, you'll have to replace parts of the carrier itself (the carrier is basically the dashboard with no trim or electronics, the aluminum part), some of which require the carrier to be removed to access.

    At that point, it would be quicker and easier to just replace the entire dash, with one from a salvage yard.


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    The more I look at the pics, the more I see broken. I'm 99% sure the carrier needs to be removed to replace some of the parts in the picture that are removed, and I assume are broken off.
    A mess indeed. From what I have seen when I examined it, the aluminum base part (carrier) didnt have any broken areas. It merely contained broken tabs and screws with broken plastic surrounding it, which implies that it was ripped off without the screw.
    It looks like about 6-7 pieces.
    Dash Pad
    Small 2 pieces to the left and right of the steering column
    the Top and bottom, left and right of the radio
    and the part around the glove compartment

    It doesnt look to be easy to take apart, hence this post asking for tips when i visit the salvage yards this weekend.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1BadCadSTS View Post
    Looks more to me like a half asses heater core replacement. If you can't figure out how to remove it break it!

    I hate fixing other "mechanics" blunders...
    Indeed. Totally butchered it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    The A pillar is the pillar that separates the windshield from the front doors.
    Ah, ok. My mistake

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    these are VERY tricky to take apart WITHOUT BREAKING STUFF -

    just an example -

    to remove the dash pad - you must remove the 4 ac vents in the dash -
    yes - there is also a trick to remove the vents too -
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    there are locking tabs on 2 corners -
    I don't remember if it's top right and bottom left -
    or the other way -

    but take 2 old credit cards - or something similar -
    and insert them above and below the vents -
    push the vents in slightly - wiggle the credit cards around to release the tabs -
    then grasp the vent - carefully - and pull it out -

    the first one will be difficult - once you get the first one -
    the others will be easy -
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    there is a 7mm screw behind each vent - that attaches the pad -
    remove the 4 screws - pull the pad back - and up -
    disconnect the speaker harness - then remove the pad -

    if you don't do it this way - you will break it -

    what I am getting to - is you need either the factory service manuals -
    or a subscription to AllData -

    you won't be able to do this without the manual -
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    about the instrument cluster -

    the mileage is stored in the cluster -
    the base Deville has the digital cluster -

    the DHS and DTS have the analog cluster -

    you can use either - they are "plug-n-play" - for the most part -

    try to locate one with similar mileage -
    check ebay - quite ofter the mileage is listed -

    if you can't find one with similar mileage -
    you could take apart the clusters - and switch motherboards -

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    Quote Originally Posted by basscatt View Post
    these are VERY tricky to take apart WITHOUT BREAKING STUFF -

    just an example -

    to remove the dash pad - you must remove the 4 ac vents in the dash -
    yes - there is also a trick to remove the vents too -
    -----------
    there are locking tabs on 2 corners -
    I don't remember if it's top right and bottom left -
    or the other way -

    but take 2 old credit cards - or something similar -
    and insert them above and below the vents -
    push the vents in slightly - wiggle the credit cards around to release the tabs -
    then grasp the vent - carefully - and pull it out -

    the first one will be difficult - once you get the first one -
    the others will be easy -
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    there is a 7mm screw behind each vent - that attaches the pad -
    remove the 4 screws - pull the pad back - and up -
    disconnect the speaker harness - then remove the pad -

    if you don't do it this way - you will break it -

    what I am getting to - is you need either the factory service manuals -
    or a subscription to AllData -

    you won't be able to do this without the manual -
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    about the instrument cluster -

    the mileage is stored in the cluster -
    the base Deville has the digital cluster -

    the DHS and DTS have the analog cluster -

    you can use either - they are "plug-n-play" - for the most part -

    try to locate one with similar mileage -
    check ebay - quite ofter the mileage is listed -

    if you can't find one with similar mileage -
    you could take apart the clusters - and switch motherboards -
    '

    Thanks for the reply. The cluster itself is fine, as is the faux wood around it. The leathery parts around it (dash above, and below to the left and right ) are shot though. Ill look up an FSM today.

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    When working on these dash's and IP's, a FSM is almost a must. I had mine damaged by a Cadillac dealer mechanic. They had to replace a lot of parts. He no longer works there.

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    So glad I found this and don't feel by myself on this...purchased my 02 with 30k on it two years ago....from a family member so I have known the car since new....have already taken the ip carrier out one time to try and repair it and a month later back in the same boat...I would like to know what caused this to happen as the car has never been abused...Florida heat maybe???? Car did sit a lot in the last couple of years before I bought it...that is another expensive story within itself...just hope doing this a second time with a good ip carrier does the trick

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    Is this MY CAR?? I swear I am having the same issue! EXACTLY THE SAME! My dhs was obviously being used to run drugs. The interior part of both drivers doors have fallen off my dash has sagged so low its sitting on my knee. Everything is broken inside I can hear it. Is this an expensive fix and where do I need to begin??

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    Quote Originally Posted by cadillacvee View Post
    Oh my Jesus ! Is this MY CAR?? I swear I am having the same issue! EXACTLY THE SAME! My dhs was obviously being used to run drugs. The interior part of both drivers doors have fallen off my dash has sagged so low its sitting on my knee. Everything is broken inside I can hear it. Is this an expensive fix and where do I need to begin??
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    Everything is broken inside I can hear it.
    oh my! -

    Is this an expensive fix -
    depends on what you consider "expensive" -

    to have someone else do it - YES -
    to do it yourself - and a good salvage yard close by -
    probably not too bad -

    where do I need to begin??
    get the FSM - Factory Service Manual -
    around $200 brand new -
    http://www.helminc.com/helm/product2...KSP&itemtype=N

    or a subscription to AllData - the on-line version of the FSM -
    https://www.alldatadiy.com/

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    Add another one to the list, my 2001 dash is spitting plastic pieces out on the floor and sagging apart at the seams. I really don't know where to begin to try and fix this as pulling apart the panels to see what's going on is a bit daunting, especially since I have to drive this thing every day and can't afford to "lay it up" while it's in pieces. Has anyone had any success in making such a repair as a diy. I really prefer to know what I'm doing beginning to end before I start, and this doesn't seem to lend itself to that idea. I added a vid and a few pics of the my plastic collection.... Thanks!



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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    Quote Originally Posted by G Daily View Post
    Add another one to the list, my 2001 dash is spitting plastic pieces out on the floor and sagging apart at the seams. I really don't know where to begin to try and fix this as pulling apart the panels to see what's going on is a bit daunting, especially since I have to drive this thing every day and can't afford to "lay it up" while it's in pieces. Has anyone had any success in making such a repair as a diy. I really prefer to know what I'm doing beginning to end before I start, and this doesn't seem to lend itself to that idea. I added a vid and a few pics of the my plastic collection.... Thanks!



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    everyone asks the same questions -

    how difficult is it to....................
    can I do it myself.............
    how long does it take.................
    how much will it cost...................

    and the answers are always the same -
    it depends on your experience level -
    your tool supply -
    sometimes your agility-factor -
    are good used parts readily available -

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    the very first thing you need is the FSM - Factory Service Manual -
    you can get the printed version for around $200 - brand new -

    http://www.helminc.com/helm/product2...KSP&itemtype=N

    used ones on ebay are more expensive than brand new sets -

    the chiltons and helms etc manuals just won't do it -
    way to generic to be useful -

    the other option is a subscription to AllData -
    basically the on-line version of the FSM -

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    your biggest obstacle will be to keep the car in "drivable condition" -
    while pulling everything apart -

    your best shot would be to find a good Deville
    in a local self-serve junkyard -

    this will give you the practice of removing the parts -
    along with an estimate of time involved -
    keeping in mind putting something back together
    usually takes longer than pulling it apart -

    good luck - and keep us posted -

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    Re: 2002 deville dash shot

    Wow, that is a mess. That is one reason I really love the 1985-93 models, because the dash is a really nice design that is very heavily padded all over. Everything seems well put together. My car has set outside in the southern sun since 1991 and the dash is still soft and pliable.

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    The way these dashes are constructed is not really modular. The molded vinyl is permanently attached to most of the plastic pieces. It's not a matter of replacing the plastic, but rather replacing the whole dash "skin". That's a dashboard out job. It's much less work to just swap in a whole dash than remove and disassemble 2 of them.

    The alternative would be some fiberglass work in place, in the car.

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