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1985-1992 Fleetwood, 1993 Sixty Special, All FWD Forum Discussion, No brake fluid, 97 DeVille in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Originally Posted by AlcoholicProgram Gonna go take a look at it and see what I can find. If I were ...
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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Quote Originally Posted by AlcoholicProgram View Post
    Gonna go take a look at it and see what I can find.

    If I were to replace the hoses on my own (with some help from a friend) how hard is it to do so?
    What all needs to be done when replacing them?

    EDIT: I just looked near the master cylinder and there is some hose sticking out from the engine with a metal cap(?) on it and it is just sitting there. Not sure what this has to do with or if I should even be concerned about this.
    Replacing brake lines is a long, dirty, swear-laden process. 1 person could do it in a day I suppose if they had the help of someone knowing what they are doing. I highly suggest you clean the undercarriage of the car really well before starting. Make sure you get a bunch of the correct line clips as some are bound to break when you take them off. If you can get the old lines out without too much damage you could use them as patterns for bending the new lines.
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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Quote Originally Posted by Slipgate View Post
    Replacing brake lines is a long, dirty, swear-laden process. 1 person could do it in a day I suppose if they had the help of someone knowing what they are doing. I highly suggest you clean the undercarriage of the car really well before starting. Make sure you get a bunch of the correct line clips as some are bound to break when you take them off. If you can get the old lines out without too much damage you could use them as patterns for bending the new lines.
    I've never worked on brakes before, and neither has my friend (except to change the calipers I believe). I'd like to not fork out the couple hundreds of dollars the mechanic shops are gonna charge. But, I also don't want to do it myself for the fear of messing up something (especially on such a critical component of the vehicle).

    Would you guys recommend us doing it ourselves? Or recommending just having the mechanic deal with it?

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    For the most part it's grunt work, take off and replace. few tools needed to make life a lot easier. Line wrenches, tubing bender(s) and double flare tools.
    For a newb I would piece line(s) together with unions to get lentgh you need. Sometimes it is easier also. As a newb you should avoid making new flares as they can be difficult.
    Bending lines: be prepared to kink a few until you get the hang of it. The cheaper the bender the crappier the bends usually. Follow the factory layout and use the clips as others have said.
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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    There's a first time for everything. You know your capabilities and limitations - only you can answer that question. It's not difficult, but time and patience consuming - this especially depends on what kind of condition the rest of the underbody is. Hardest part for a beginner is getting decent flares from the cheap rental flare kits. You can do it, but you'll probably ruin a few first.

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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Alright, I think I'm going to attempt it. Now here the comes the main question that will truly decide on whether or not I do it. Does the entire vehicle need to be jacked up in the air, or can I just jack each tire as I move throughout the assembly?

    Also, does anyone have a diagram of the line assembly?

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    Trying to do the job on the ground will make the job an even bigger PITA.

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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    Trying to do the job on the ground will make the job an even bigger PITA.
    Can I get away with doing it with just the front/rear on some jack-stands?

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    You can, if you don't mind being on your back for a few hours.

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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Quote Originally Posted by AlcoholicProgram View Post
    Also, does anyone have a diagram of the line assembly?
    http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/Page_Pro...030&SortKey=92
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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Alright, awesome! Thanks guys!

    (Ignore the attached image, was a mistake)

    EDIT: Can anyone clarify to me the brake hosing itself in the diagram? I'm struggling to completely follow what is tubing itself, and what's not tubing.
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    That's a brake hose, the tubing will be the metal lines from the master cylinder to the hoses at the wheels, which bolt to the calipers.

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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    If I am looking at this correctly I am looking at everything marked with "POS#X"?

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    Basically, everything in the diagram that looks like tubing.

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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Yeah, the only place you will have a rubber hose is at each caliper. Remember, the caliper is attached to the suspension and must move up and down and the fronts have to turn so they need some flex. All the rest is steel pipe. Basically every squiggly line in that diagram. #5, 46, 20, 23, 45 and all the pipes by POS #4 going to the EBTCM (#22).

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    Re: No brake fluid, 97 DeVille

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    Yeah, the only place you will have a rubber hose is at each caliper. Remember, the caliper is attached to the suspension and must move up and down and the fronts have to turn so they need some flex. All the rest is steel pipe. Basically every squiggly line in that diagram. #5, 46, 20, 23, 45 and all the pipes by POS #4 going to the EBTCM (#22).
    The key numbers you listed, are those the only ones I should need?

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