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1985-1992 Fleetwood, 1993 Sixty Special, All FWD Forum Discussion, 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Codes E30-ISC RPM out of range E31-Shorted MAP Sensor Signal E53-Distributor Signal Interrupt Car has been running great since I ...
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    92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

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    E30-ISC RPM out of range
    E31-Shorted MAP Sensor Signal
    E53-Distributor Signal Interrupt

    Car has been running great since I got it over a month and 1000 miles ago. It has always started up immediately but over the last week I have needed to give it gas while starting it- revving it a little. Once started it runs fine (slight rough idle). I was thinking fuel pump at first and switched the old gas cap because I didn't notice the "whoosh" when removing cap to refuel. Helped a little but I still get the starting problem almost every cold start. Checked connections, FPR, and everything seems fine. I will not get a chance to really start messing with it till this weekend when I head home (FSM, tools,garage) but I was hoping to get an idea of what to look for. Will try ISC relearn and probably replace distributor since I have a rebuilt one.

    Any ideas or similar circumstances?
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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    So now the car will not stay on even when given gas. I can keep it running after I start it as long as I keep my foot on the pedal but as soon as I let go it now dies. I wanted to get it to drive an hour away so that I can have a garage to work on it but I need to keep it running. I don't think the MAP sensor, ISC, and distributor all gave out at the same time so could one thing cause the others?
    Any ideas so I can at least get it started and running?

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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    If it will not idle on it's own, but you can keep it running with the accelerator, it has to be a failed ISC motor. Unplug it and run the plunger out enough to keep it idling. That should enable you to get it to a garage. Just be sure to tell them what you did.

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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    Ok that sounds good I appreciate it. So if the MAP sensor shorted does that mean it is now definitely bad too and should be replaced along with the ISC?

    Thanks

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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    A shorted MAP sensor will make it run pretty bad and they are easy to change. I don't know if a simple vacuum leak will cause that code or not but would be worth checking for anyway.

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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    Replaced the ISC motor and the car is starting and running great again. Did not touch the distributor or map sensor. I am curious if anyone knows the part number for the pigtail/wiring harness that connects to the ISC? It works but some of the plastic broke off of the clip as well as one of the 4 prongs that goes into the ISC.

    Thanks again for the help.

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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    Doubt it is available unless you buy at a dealer as a repair end and those are major overpriced. You might try a salvage yard, pick your part or something like that.

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    There are repair pigtails available:
    http://www.theautopartsshop.com/auto...connector.html

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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    im having same problem... have u found problem yet ??? thanks

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    Re: 92 Deville Intermittent Cold Start Problem

    Don't expect a response from this 16 month old thread. The OP hasn't been back here since 08-14-13.

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